But the process isn't over, and I assume it's a dealmaking dance in which breaks like this a part of the process. Isn't that what Trump wrote in "The Art of the Deal" and has talked about innumerable times? Trump haters shouldn't exult over his failure until they see how this ends. And maybe even then, they shouldn't exult. Don't we all want a better, safer world? Or is seeing Trump fail better?
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It's not over until the fat commie sings.
I liken it to a Broadway show. We're only in Act I, Scene 5.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's early knee-jerk opponents end up strengthening his hand here and elsewhere.
Early decrying of the deficits in Trump's first budget, for instance, will likely give Trump a stronger hand in subsequent years to bend the cost curve down. Look for Trump to embrace something like Rand Paul's "Penny Plan" in future budget deals with congress, and get it.
The elites and a smattering of average folks are very invested in seeing Trump brought down any way possible. Very few Americans share this twisted desire, but it has especially infected an already untrustworthy DNC-Media behemoth. That in turn makes the Democrats believe they are in the majority. They think we ALL hate Trump like they do. It’s ruining the “news” business.
They're all experts.
The "Get Trump" Squad has a few junior varsity members who enjoy kibitzing from the sidelines.
Any "deal" with North Korea about denuclearization, or anything else, is meaningless until the regime shows some signs of moving toward becoming a "normal" country.
Summits are BS for the media. It is what they do that counts.
The Baghdad Bob Media has gone mad. They are making the BBC seem pro Trump. The Brits at least do understand that Empires use manipulation and sleight of hand on their colonial subjects while the British Navy keeps the upper hand.
"Don't we all want a better, safer world? Or is seeing Trump fail better?"
Rhetorical questions, as they say, but still: "we" don't..
Progs care about Trump failing. That will make the world better.
The whole Russia narrative is part of it: they eagerly undermine the polity, doing Russia's bidding.
The Primat der Innenpolitik has been prog MO for a century, now put on steroids by TDS.
But, as has happened several times now, their enjoyment is fuel for our deplorable Schadenfreude, once, OMG, Trump makes a denuclearizing deal after all.
Conservative hawks in Congress are happy too.
Not necessarily because Trump failed to make the summit happen.
But because they were opposed to it from the beginning and predicted it would be a failure. It's a case of "I told you so."
Nice to see ARM in these with his usual hatred.
The same crew had hysterics when Reagan walked out of Reykjavik.
It's a syndrome. Something like Schadenfreude but worse.
“So where is [Trump] sleeping? In your house? Because you fancy him, he is charming. . . . I don’t think he abused you, you wanted it,” Kim told Moon in one of the final sessions, according to the Telegraph. “And whenever you come back to the table, I smell sex.”
Was that a rhetorical question? Of course democrats/left/progressives prefer a Trump failure over world peace. They are against world peace and denuclearization unless initiated by a democratic president. It is no longer subtle.
Several conservative bloggers are happy too, for the same reason: They believe that the only real solution is regime change, and any negotiation with North Korea is automatically a major concession to them.
At least Teddy Kennedy was honest in asking Brezhnev's help in defeating Reagan.
Translation: 'I hate Trump so much, I would rather risk nuclear anihilation rather than enjoy a more peaceful world.'
They also hate the economic bounce.
I certainly enjoy all the poking fun at so-called journalists. I love seeing them fail.
I would remind the Democrats, if Kim nuked the west coast a lot of big donors would die.
All the sanctions and shipping restrictions are still in place. Maximum pressure on Kim doesn't rely on Chinese cooperation, although it helps to have Xi on board. China has bigger problems to deal with, and they will do what's best for China. Kim can't rely on them and Russia to get around the sanctions and import restrictions. So, having cancelled the meeting, we hold the upper hand. Kim needs a meeting. Trump will take the meeting when Kim acts accordingly.
This is the kind of negotiating Obama didn't have the skills to carry out. For example, we all know what we gave up to Iran but what did we get from Iran in the JCPOA?
"once great nation" Was that antebellum?
Remember Obama spent more time going after james Rosen and general Hayden for food measure.
Mike said...
but what did we get from Iran in the JCPOA?
North Korea 20, Iran 0
I don't care for Trump's character or behaviors. But if he could make some progress on security, that would be great. The thing is Ann, is there any evidence for what you're proposing? Winning the presidential campaign, Trump's main accomplishment to this point, is not the same as delicate negotiations with a foreign head of state.
Maybe it's a dance and 4-dimensional chess, etc, but is there any evidence that Trump knows how to do this or has done this in the past with successful outcomes? (He overpaid for the Plaza Hotel, he's declared bankruptcy at least 6 times, + has hurt his own chances for peace in Israel.)
You're making an assumption. You regularly shred other pundits when they bring the weak sauce.
Golly! what a surprise. The leftwing hack press is delighted in any perceived failure and amplifies their perception narrative even if it means the North Korean people continue to suffer.
Kim is not going to "nuke the West Coast." He wants to live and, anyway, China now has too much to lose to permit it.
A surprise nuclear strike is much more likely to originate in the Middle East, which is full of religious fanatics with an apocalyptic bent. And they do not need ICBMs to do it; a delivery van will do.
I’m very upset that this summit fell through, I was upset when I heard Trump making threats again yesterday in his speech. I’m upset that Trump’s chosen representatives, Bolton and Pence, made statements about how North Korea should be treated like Libya. I’m not upset that the talks of a Nobel prize are now a joke, as well as the ridiculous summit coin is being sold at a discount in the White House gift shop. Of course most Americans want whatever President that is in office to succeed, but they shouldn’t be blamed when that President makes one mistake after another.
PT Barnum in action. Trump gets the Fat Boy 2 to beg for the summit. The press gets its chance to scream.
A real three ring circus with the lion tamer in the center ring and the clowns on the outer two rings.
Entertainment for the entire family
The greatest show on earth.
Maybe we should wait and see what happens before writing all this opinion pieces? Nah. There's a significant audience of Trump haters that eat this stuff up I guess. Trump hatred requires constant feeding. Outlets like CNN produce 24/7 Trump hate rather than news now. It doesn't matter if it's irrational, inaccurate, questionable, or outright demonstrably false, a certain group will eat it up.
It ain't over until either the fat lady sings or the world ends in a blinding flash of light.
"Blogger PWS said...
I don't care for Trump's character or behaviors. But if he could make some progress on security, that would be great. The thing is Ann, is there any evidence for what you're proposing? Winning the presidential campaign, Trump's main accomplishment to this point, is not the same as delicate negotiations with a foreign head of state."
OK, now hold Obama (or Clinton or Carter) to the same standard. Whoops.
ARM provides an example of the self-refuting comment.
Trump ratchets up the tension with North Korea: Why is he doing this? He's going to start a nuclear war!
Tensions abate and Trump moves toward the negotiating table: He's going to get suckered. He's such a narcissist, he'll agree to anything just to say he won.
Trump abruptly cancels the summit: Wow, how totally inept! Hey Trumpies, how's that Nobel Peace Prize coming along?
North Korea says they still want a summit: We're thinking. But it'll all end in tears.
The entire summit/talks idea is lame.
Watch the fraud left with their crocodile tears. Nobody is buying it.
We need to take Kim Jong Un out. For humanitarian reasons, and for the international security. A unified peninsula is a worthy cause.
Talking to a corrupt communist Potemkin fat fuck? - over-rated.
"Or is seeing Trump fail better? "
That is always what the liberals want. They would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.
(Eaglebeak)
"Delicate negotiations with a foreign head of state"? gimme a break.
Seems as if North Korea is now beseeching Trump for a summit. How'd that happen, I wonder?
As AA points out, Trump has said a thousand times you have to be prepared to walk away from the table--it's all over The Art of the Deal, it's all over his tweets from 2011, 2014, etc.
Trump is leaning on China on trade, has ordered a national security investigation (!) on the national security impact on the economy of the import of foreign cars, and has barred China from participating in naval exercises that Obama had them joining for years; Trump is citing Chinese aggressive moves in the Spratly Islands as the reason.
Who's putting the pressure on, and on whom?
Any word on whether the U.S. is filling up unmarked airplanes with billions in cash?
Poor nonplussed Ann, having some trouble typing this morning:
I assume it's a dealmaking dance in which breaks like this a part of the process. Isn't that what Trump wrote in "The Art of the Deal" and has talk about innumerable times?
Is Ann asking, or telling? Has Ann actually read The Art of the Deal? Ann once again neglects to inform her readers of something about which she's perfectly well aware: that the Art of the Deal was written by Tony Schwartz, who has been stricken by remorse at the propaganda he's been complicit in promoting:
"There are two Trumps. The one he presents to the world is all bluster, bullying and certainty. The other, which I have long felt haunts his inner world, is the frightened child of a relentlessly critical and bullying father and a distant and disengaged mother who couldn’t or wouldn’t protect him.
Trump’s temperament and his habits have hardened with age. He was always cartoonish, but compared with the man for whom I wrote The Art of the Deal 30 years ago, he is significantly angrier today: more reactive, deceitful, distracted, vindictive, impulsive and, above all, self-absorbed – assuming the last is possible."
Disingenuous Ann likes to maintain that the President isn't any different from other presidents, except for being funnier and smarter. Ann and much of her tribe think of the President as a fair dealer, an honest man, and a decent human being. Once again, you can judge the character of someone by assessing the qualities of the people they admire.
Inga said:
“I’m very upset that this summit fell through, I was upset when I heard Trump making threats again yesterday in his speech. I’m upset that Trump’s chosen representatives, Bolton and Pence, made statements about how North Korea should be treated like Libya. I’m not upset that the talks of a Nobel prize are now a joke, as well as the ridiculous summit coin is being sold at a discount in the White House gift shop. Of course most Americans want whatever President that is in office to succeed, but they shouldn’t be blamed when that President makes one mistake after another.”
Let’s just hang on to this one for awhile and see how it ages. I also want to see what her take is when the “summit” news changes again.
Personally I think she’s full of shit and she’s delighted the summit fell through (for now). Will she be hppy if the summit occurs after all?
Tune in next time ...
Dictators run on payoffs, paying off everybody who could cause violence in proportion to how much violence they could cause. It's not voluntary, it's required.
Payoffs consists of, for example, a license to run this or that industry, or trade, or something.
Trump targets the paid-off rather than the nation, and so undermines the whole system in a way it's not prepared to deal with. In particular Chinese companies.
This gives Trump a huge stick to go with minor carrots. The dictator is no longer better off refusing the deal because he'll be deposed.
I don't like him, John Pickering, but since he was elected (without my approval or help), since I am powerless to change who he is, I will judge him by results. Which, so far, have a surprising tendency to go his way.
Having a gab-fest with Little Rocket Man as a photo-op is hardly the point, and it seems that Trump more than his critics is able to understand that. If the Norks don't want to deal with the issues the easy way, Trump seems quite willing to turn up the pressure as high as necessary to convince them otherwise. Time will tell whether that approach is successful. Past experience shows that the alternatives haven't worked.
But the gloating by Trump haters extends far beyond the dealings with the Norks. Every morning, a glace at RCP's headlined stories shows how the theme never changes. 'Trump the dangerous buffoon' is the consistent storyline from the WaPo (Cilizza, Marcus, Robinson) and the NYT (everyone), as it is on MSNBC (Todd, Maddow, Matthews, etc.), CNN (all of them) and on and on. Each day's story follows the same pattern -- foreign affairs, the Russia collusion blather, Spygate, you name it.
Let's hope they keep it up. Trump is remarkably lucky in having these enemies. They have no idea how they are perceived outside the Amen chorus.
Next time Lil Kim shoots a missile? We take him out.
that's the promise we should make. Then take the fat fuck out anyway.
Lil' Kim does not deserve the dignity the left want to give him. But then, he is a communist after all. Like MS13 - leftwing hearts bleed.
Remember when the hack-D-Press compared Kim Jong Un's murdering sister to Trump's daughter at the Olympics?
That's the hack press in action.
Shorter Inga: "I'm upset."
Yeah thanks for that insight. We already knew. Go calm down.
Once again, you can judge the character of someone by assessing the qualities of the people they admire.
Very true. For example, John Pickering’s respect for human weather-vane Tony Schwartz shows that John Pickering is a mindless partisan.
You guys remember the Korean War, 1950 - 1952? Stalin had helped Communize a billion Chinese, who then communized North Korea, who then invaded South to try and Communize the whole country.
Guess who fought to save South Korea? Yankee muscle, Yankee blood.
Guess who stationed troops in the DMZ for 70 years to protect South Korea from further Commie aggression? Yep, Yankee muscle, Yankee blood.
It is embarrassing how shallow the junior varsity, sideline media commentators are on this issue.
Anyone who thought the talks with NK were going to be clear and straightforward has no understanding of history. I was very doubtful from the beginning, but think that Trump has the temperament and moxie to possibly pull off a deal. Possibly, but not all that likely.
I like the analogy to a kibitzer in a card gamer. In this case, kibitzers like ARM are looking over a player's shoulder, criticizing their plays and secretly hoping they lose.
Let's hope they keep it up. Trump is remarkably lucky in having these enemies. They have no idea how they are perceived outside the Amen chorus.
It's like the comments at Politico.
I made a comment on a story that it seems only lefties read Politico.
One came right back with a reply that "righties watch Fox." This is what they think.
They have no idea that any thoughtful person would disagree with them. It has o be that infernal Fox News.
It doesn't look like they are going to wise up before November.
That election will be like a singularity.
If you told me that by May of 2018 Trump would have accomplished these things, I would have laughed in your face:
> House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi promises to raise taxes if Democrats take the house
> Prominent progressives across the country rise to the defense of MS-13 murderers and object to calling these Satan-worshiping killers "animals"
> The elite media and Democrats side with Little Rocket Man just to be able to mock the American President, and wish for our humiliation (if not thermo-nuclear destruction)
> Media gleefully and approvingly report on spies from FBI/CIA/DOJ/MI6 infiltrating Trump campaign "for their own good" while casually declining to ask why Hillary's campaign (after being actually hacked by Russians (allegedly) already) wasn't given the same "protection" by Comey and Crew
> Same media who pilloried Clapper for lying under oath now props him up as Savior of the Republic and makes him the spokes-hole for the Deep State with no trace of irony
> Cities all across California are joining the Trump lawsuit against California's new "sanctuary state" law, leading to a red wave that threatens to actually elect Republican Assembly and Senate candidates, along with propelling a Republican to the top of the Governor's race
> Democrats like Schumer and Gillibrand continue to "talk down the economy" even after Q2 growth surges to 4.2%
So much winning!
“They have no idea how they are perceived outside the Amen chorus.”
Except for the ones who read Althouse and comment here, lol.
Trump is avoiding being a Charlie Brown.
What a change from the usual US stance of being Charlie Brown, having the football taken away at the last moment by Lucy.
To me the elite response just shows how outa touch they are.
Sounds like they never negotiated for anything in their life.
Eight years ago, the press was fawning over Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" success.
McDonalds and Starbucks franchises in Pyongyang by 2025, watch. Kim will arrange for himself and a small cabal of supporters to get immunity for any current/past "crimes against humanity" and retire to some top-secret location somewhere on the other side of the planet, probably with excellent wifi.
"Process" is the important word that you used. This is a negotiating "process". It is far from over. The headlines you pictured are from people who have to write something every day. They can't deal with a process writing everyday and most don't have the experience - or smarts - to recognize one when they see it. There is no question that they would rather see Trump "fail" in this process than see the problem of a nuclear NORK, if not solved, at least diminished. I certainly pay no attention to them because they add nothing of value to the discussion.
In answer to Ann's question, the mostly libtarded dwellers of our largest cities are the people most at risk from NK's nuclear missiles. Maybe we should all hope this deal falls apart. It is almost funny watching this 24/7 Trump Derangement Syndrome play out.
Also...by the time that first McDonalds breaks ground in the former capital, Kim will, ironically, be at least forty pounds lighter, sporting a new hairdo.
Enjoyment, at the sight of the leader of a once great nation flopping around like a fish on land, is certainly not how I experience this farce.
We're not talking about Obama, ARM. Quit trying to change the subject.
@BAG
"You guys remember the Korean War, 1950 - 1952? Stalin had helped Communize a billion Chinese, who then communized North Korea, who then invaded South to try and Communize the whole country.
Guess who fought to save South Korea? Yankee muscle, Yankee blood.
Guess who stationed troops in the DMZ for 70 years to protect South Korea from further Commie aggression? Yep, Yankee muscle, Yankee blood.
It is embarrassing how shallow the junior varsity, sideline media commentators are on this issue."
@ 10:09 AM
worth a big hearty repeat
Intercontinental ballistic peace process.
@Francisco D:
Anyone who thought the talks with NK were going to be clear and straightforward has no understanding of history. I was very doubtful from the beginning, but think that Trump has the temperament and moxie to possibly pull off a deal. Possibly, but not all that likely.
Pretty much where I am at. Possible but not probable.
The headlines are from the same kind of people who have to make a living debating on a daily basis whether Tom Brady will play this year or picking the winner of the next Super Bowl a year in advance. They have to write/say something to fill the empty space.
Blogger Inga said...
“They have no idea how they are perceived outside the Amen chorus.”
Except for the ones who read Althouse and comment here, lol.
You don't seem to have benefitted by seeing how foolish you look, though.
Maybe after the election.
As Emily Littella said: "Never mind."
NEW: Pres. Trump says "we're talking" to North Korea now; "it was a very nice statement they put out; we'll see what happens."
"It could even be the 12th…They very much want to do it, we'd like to do it. We're going to see what happens." https://t.co/Fqtb5bUxbX pic.twitter.com/hS1jTAGi00
— ABC News (@ABC) May 25, 2018
Emphasis added
John Henry
“a once great nation”
I do believe ARM has just conceded the need to Make America Great Again.
Trump is negotiating with China. It's too bad the left doesn't see this but they are also the only who had hysterics when Reagan walked away from Reykjavik.
Stories seem to be trying to answer question, what the hell just happened?
I tuned into CNN for a few minutes yesterday. All the people on were absolutely convinced -- in fact simply assumed -- that there was not a shred of evidence that Trump had been improperly spied on (surveilled) during the campaign. It was unreal, as if they could not imagine the possibility.
“Maybe after the election.”
Indeed.
Trump does X. "Oh, no, the sky's falling"
Trump undoes X. "Oh, no, the sky's falling"
It's a good thing Saint Obama fixed the situation.
Michael K. said: "Trump is negotiating with China.
I certainly hope so.
Not to intentionally overstate the obvious but, China is the key player in negotiations with NK.
Nobody really knows whats going on here but the players.
Who said what to who, on the inside, is not going to be known, really, until their memoirs come out, and even then the picture won't be complete until the secret communications are declassified, and even then questions will remain about it, due to, no doubt, critical people keeping things close to their chest.
FDR for instance did not let a lot about what he was thinking out. Therefore a very great deal about his intentions and decisions, especially in the run-up to WWII, are merely suppositions. It is clear that what is known about what he told even his closest confidants, and these are scarce, does not match what he told others. There is a great deal about this we will never know.
Trump seems to be a man who does compartmentalize like this. He seems open (the Rooseveltian radio talks are directly analogous to the Trumpian tweets), but he isn't.
Reagan had some of this, but he did leave a mass of private papers where he personally wrote down his ideas and analyses, as he was a compulsive writer. Nothing of this sort has turned up for his presidency. We can hope I suppose. I dont think that Trump, like Roosevelt, is inclined to put his thoughts down in text.
The result, as with all these things, will be the result.
It took only 12 hours for Trump to smash the Chinese and their NK lapdogs tactics with 2 direct steps:
1) Trump announced a Section 232 trade review over the entire auto-industry (yes, the ENTIRE auto industry) (if you don't know what that means, you need to do a little review to understand the potential power of that move against the Chinese)
Note: Inga is excused from that exercise as there will be many big words to confront and digest
2) Cancelled talks with Kim Jong-un
That was yesterday morning.
And just like that, ALL the NK/nuke leverage the Chinese sought to use in their direct trade negotiations with the US went ---POOF----!
By late yesterday evening, both President Xi and the NK leadership was announcing that of course, they would be happy to meet to discuss any issues with the US.
LOL
But I'm sure Samantha Bee and all the other LLR Chuck media heroes have a brand new Hot Take!
Blogger Inga said...
“Maybe after the election.”
Indeed.
Yes. This election will one of the more consequential in our history. Are we going to maintain a Constitution and rule of law or are we going to go the way of Venezuela?
There are no real negotiations with NK, there are only negotiations with the Chinese.
The Chinese represent the Gordian Knot of NK.
All the people on were absolutely convinced -- in fact simply assumed -- that there was not a shred of evidence that Trump had been improperly spied on (surveilled) during the campaign. It was unreal, as if they could not imagine the possibility.
Was Jeff Flake there ? He is another.
The left wing Tucson newspaper agrees with Flake and calls it "The Rule of Law."
On Wednesday, Flake delivered a graduation speech at Harvard Law School. It happened to take place three days after President Trump said “I hereby demand” that the Justice Department conduct an investigation for him — a power that presidents are normally not afforded.
So, the DoJ is independent of the president ? Did anyone ask James Madison about this ?
In case you wondered about Flake's political orientation.
I think Scott Adams nailed this. Trump has moved the deal over to a brand new place. Not ending the nuclear program, but getting rid of the nukes. And Kim understands that. If you convince him that he'll be safe by doing so, convince him that no one is going to betray him as they betrayed Gadhafi, Kim might show off at the summit by bringing all his nukes with him and piling them up at the border. Inspection program, anyone?
I keep seeing articles by all these experts saying things like, For decades, North Korea has ___. They seem to think there's this malevolent AI called North Korea. There isn't. For a long time, there was a loser despot called Kim Jong Il. Now there's a new guy called Kim Jong Un. he might also turn out to be a loser despot. Or it might still turn out that he isn't all that interested in being the master of a third-world pesthole his whole life, he's rather be a hero. We'll see.
You don't get to be a successful real estate dealer by finding two people who want to make a deal and working out a painful compromise. You do it by finding two people who have no idea they want to make a deal, and suggesting a deal that fulfills everyone's dreams.
But Ann, don't blame the Democrats too much. Trump succeeding at this would bury them.
fideloflake, i haven't doubted that since the 90s, the same class that oo'd and ah'd over the framework and the Rhodes road show,
MikeR: "If you convince him that he'll be safe by doing so..."
One open question is how can one ensure the Chinese won't remove him?
"One open question is how can one ensure the Chinese won't remove him?"
As I've said before. it isn't worth their bother. They have their own third world problems. They prefer that we, the US , is(are?) busy on the Korean peninsula so that they can pursue their own aims. Which is to build up their military to compete with ours.
But to answer Ann's question.
Of course they want him to fail. The failure could cost a million lives and they'd consider it a success.
This reaction is why we don't have an agreement. Once Trump agreed to the meeting Kim understood the media would blame him for any failure to reach an agreement thus increasing his leverage.
Our media is hurting our country to advance their partisan preferences.
Before Trump engaged with Kim, I always heard that Kim was a crazy, unpredictable and dangerous dictator who could attack S Korea at any moment. He was irrational.
Trump's engagement with N Korea has changed the narrative without anyone even mentioning it. We now see Kim as a rational negotiator who has concrete aims--to protect his position and to obtain guarantees of non-aggression from the West.
This alone is an enormous change in the Korean conflict.
Very little of this sheds any light on what's going on regarding the negotiations, but it says a great deal about US politics.
The world is watching. Whatever the international public thinks, their own information stream being also filtered, the people who make decisions have a different take. Not necessarily entirely accurate, but with different filters.
And their tendency is to exploit US domestic politics.
I do not understand why there's been so much talk about the norks. Waste of time to make a big deal about it until something changes.
The norks play Lucy with the football. They want $$ and recognition. They get all the $$ they can and then pull back the football. Charlie Brown ends up on his back. We know this is what the norks do. Maybe negotiations can move forward maybe they can't. I'm not gonna wait dinner on it.
I would not be a bit surprised to find out that there has been a great deal of Chinese influence applied, directly or indirectly, to the US MSM and especially internet/social media operators.
I don't know if we're closer or farther from a deal. But neither does anyone else. What I do know is that a big chunk of Americans are rooting for Trump to fail in this negotiations and that's down right disgusting.
I would not be a bit surprised to find out that there has been a great deal of Chinese influence applied,
Mean while, hysteria about Russia.
Udall asking Pompeo about ZTE as if the last administration cared about Chinese spying.
Obama's "First Latina Administrator" of the OPM database hired a Chinese national to administer the database with all DoD employees' data.
What I do know is that a big chunk of Americans are rooting for Trump to fail in this negotiations and that's down right disgusting.
Several right here and proud of it.
interestingly i followed zte's partnership agreements, with mtm a south African firm that distributes, Ericson, and a Qatari firm that distributes nokia, phones, those devices are entirely cut off,
Only in America, in anti-Trumper's minds that Trump's cancellation was a Trump loss. Everybody else including the Chinese and NK were shocked and believe Trump won this round.
In anti-Trumper's minds: the release of three hostages was a loss?
What did Trump lose?
The Chinese have their own problem: the trade war that was halted pending Trump (Commerce Dept., SecState…) confirmed that they did not violate the 5/19 agreement. The US didn't give them anything. Trump hinted at easing sanction on ZTE. But in the US, the President cannot interfere in criminal investigation. Ergo, nothing in return for the Chinese concessions. The Chinese promised to lower their trade surplus with us.
If that was a loss, can't wait for a win.
Why was the Chinese agreeable? Our chips and software that run their high tech industries.
ZTE violated our sanction on Iran and NK. Trump stopped selling them our Intel chips, and Google Android software that run their cell phones. Ergo, we'll win this trade war.
"We know this is what the norks do". Pardon, but this is the kind of nonsense I've been hearing all around. There are no "norks". There was Kim Jong Il. Now there is Kim Jong Sun. Your experience with the first is irrelevant; you have no idea what the second will do. The more you refuse to notice that, the more it redounds to Donald Trump's credit that he did.
The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower, is likely to result in North and South Korea concluding a separate peace under the auspices of China, prompting the eviction of U.S. forces from the Korean peninsula, the further isolation of Japan and the collapse of U.S.-Pacific Rim security arrangements. Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, anyone, courtesy of the Art of the Deal?
So, any criticism of Trump's actions or tactics when things don't go well is "exulting" about it? Also, very nice passive-aggressive suggestion that the media prefer N. Korea over America.
The Pro-democrat Hillary Clinton dead Seth Rich Brennan Press are not reporting this side of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-announces-it-wants-to-resolve-issues-anytime-2018-5
I’m very upset that this summit fell through, I was upset when I heard Trump making threats again yesterday in his speech
It seems He was speaking Kim’s language. It also seems Kim understood.
Photo ops are good.
North Korea responds to Trump cancelling US summit, says it's ready to 'resolve issues anytime'
Hack D-press on total ignore.
So, any criticism of Trump's actions or tactics when things don't go well is "exulting" about it?
If you can't tell the difference, maybe you should read some more.
Trump’s temperament and his habits have hardened with age. He was always cartoonish, but compared with the man for whom I wrote The Art of the Deal 30 years ago, he is significantly angrier today: more reactive, deceitful, distracted, vindictive, impulsive and, above all, self-absorbed – assuming the last is possible."
And he’s Mr. President. It’s about damn time no putzes.
Part of it is Trump showing he *will* walk out.
You can't negotiate if the other side knows you won't walk away from the table. When they know that, you get "deals" like the Iran deal or the Treaty of Versailles.
Part of it is also showing North Korea that Trump won't accept the previously accepted strategy of being told one thing, then having the requirements change on him mid-deal.
We won't know if it was a good move until the summit happens or doesn't happen, and even then, it could be a year or two before we know the ramifications. For know, wait and see is the right position to take.
It is fun to watch the democrats humiliate themselves.
Even now ARM and Inga, like the democrat press, are pretending that fatboy hasn't already been groveling to get the summit back on.
The decades where BushClintonBushObama ship oil and cash to our enemies is over. We have a real President now.
And he is humiliating the globalists and their idiot supporters.
“The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower, is likely to result in North and South Korea concluding a separate peace under the auspices of China, prompting the eviction of U.S. forces from the Korean peninsula, the further isolation of Japan and the collapse of U.S.-Pacific Rim security arrangements. Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, anyone, courtesy of the Art of the Deal?”
Precisely. North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal without the interference of Trump. The US under Trump is losing it’s place as a leading world power. His that for “winning”? Sounds more like losing.
To keep it simple, we'd like 2 things from North Korea:
1. Stop its nuclear missile program
2. Open up its society, and ease into the 21st Century.
Rocket Man is jittery, because when Communists/dictators/authoritarians open up their society they often get shot or hanged (see, Mussolini, Italy; see Ceausescu, Romania).
So, you have to do some hand holding, and tolerate some zig-zagging. Kim saw what happened to Ghaddafy after he gave up his nukes, so he's a little skittish. Not a big deal.
And, Yes, China is directing the show of its backward-ass client state, so they probably want a few things in return, too.
dont think that Trump, like Roosevelt, is inclined to put his thoughts down in text.
Tweet.
John Pickering said...
The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower, is likely to result in North and South Korea concluding a separate peace under the auspices of China, prompting the eviction of U.S. forces from the Korean peninsula, the further isolation of Japan and the collapse of U.S.-Pacific Rim security arrangements. Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, anyone, courtesy of the Art of the Deal?
Another leftist masturbates to their fantasy.
Obama is no longer in charge. The US isn't led by a moron who is going to draw some stupid red line and shuffle off with a stupid look oh his face like a fucking idiot when it gets crossed.
Thank you for publicly humiliating yourself as an idiot.
The midterms are going to be awesome.
The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower,
I thought all countries are equal? No country is better, no country is worse?
Or did the goal posts move again?
buwaya said...Nobody really knows whats going on here but the players.
Who said what to who, on the inside, is not going to be known, really, until their memoirs come out, and even then the picture won't be complete until the secret communications are declassified, and even then questions will remain about it, due to, no doubt, critical people keeping things close to their chest.
--
Trump alluded to this yesterday...
Is someone tracking unofficial ambassador Dennis Rodman? ;)
I like how Pickering can just ignore reality. I wish I could do that.
Inga said...
Precisely. North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal without the interference of Trump. The US under Trump is losing it’s place as a leading world power. His that for “winning”? Sounds more like losing.
Another leftist ignores reality.
Publicly humiliates themselves.
She is so pissed Kim is kissing Trumps ass less then 24 hours after Trump "pulled out" she is ignoring it.
"North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal without the interference of Trump."
-- If that were true, they'd make a deal without Trump.
Art Of The Deal. Nothing else needs to be said, except that we now have a professional negotiator in the White House, after 8 years of a intellectually incurious negotiating neophyte.
I thought the world’s greatest superpower is a no-no? I thought leading from behind was the goal? Because we are so privileged, we’re supposed to subordinate ourselves, aren’t we?
Orwell would use these examples as indicative of the triteness of political language,
"The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower,"
-- If this were true, then North Korea wouldn't have come groveling for forgiveness and a second chance. If anything, Trump has demonstrated just exactly where North Korea is in the pecking order.
The Norks Sorks and Chicoms could have made a deal for decades. It’s been almost 70 years. Now it’s possible because it wasn’t before?
Trump haters have a high incidence of assholism.
buwaya said...
Very little of this sheds any light on what's going on regarding the negotiations, but it says a great deal about US politics.
The world is watching. Whatever the international public thinks, their own information stream being also filtered, the people who make decisions have a different take. Not necessarily entirely accurate, but with different filters.
And their tendency is to exploit US domestic politics.
It is pretty easy for them to see which way the wind is blowing.
Watch as more and more celebrities like Kanye and Musk start sidling toward the deplorable side and come out publicly.
The preference cascade is rolling.
"elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status"
Seems to be the Pelosi talking point.
Was she invoking this during the "Iran deal" or relations with Cuba?
I wonder what the Sorks think. Lololol Trump sez ok, we’ll cancel the meeting and 24hours later Lil Kim please Mr. Trump! We need the photo op!
I still the the Europeans should be involved in rebuilding. They do like to be useful and show the US how it should be done.
Huh. Just read that the North Koreans didn't bother to show up to a planning meeting.
Yeah; if someone does that, you walk. And you make them come back to you and apologize, or you don't deal. Being a no-call, no-show to a job interview pretty much always black lists you. Same thing here.
I’m very upset that this summit fell through, I was upset when I heard Trump making threats again yesterday in his speech. I’m upset that Trump’s chosen representatives, Bolton and Pence, made statements about how North Korea should be treated like Libya. - Inga
Tough. Shit.
The world doesn't exist for your pleasure.
There is a certain malevolent hypocrisy on the part of conservatives who for 8 years under Obama said they wanted America to burn to the ground for that 'sin'.
Very malevolent.
Inga said...
I’m very upset that this summit fell through, I was upset when I heard Trump making threats again yesterday in his speech. I’m upset that Trump’s chosen representatives, Bolton and Pence, made statements about how North Korea should be treated like Libya. I’m not upset that the talks of a Nobel prize are now a joke, as well as the ridiculous summit coin is being sold at a discount in the White House gift shop. Of course most Americans want whatever President that is in office to succeed, but they shouldn’t be blamed when that President makes one mistake after another.
This is gold.
Pure gold.
Inga: "Precisely. North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal without the interference of Trump"
The level of ignorance in this statement is beyond description.
The ONLY thing that matters to China is its trade deals with the US (direct/bi-lateral AND NAFTA), where Trump is squeezing them and removing the horrific loophole that allows China to use Canada and Mexico as conduits to ship directly into the US and bypass taxes.
NK exists ONLY as a weapon China uses to leverage the west...and Trump, as with the Jerusalem embassy move, simply took that piece off the table.
The US provides SK security. The US holds all the cards in the trade negotiation with China. The US under Trump is accelerating expansion of our military and re-establishing a challenging military posture towards the Chinese.
The US IS the deal...because Trump has made that true again.
Meanwhile, the MS13 supporters cry and whine...
"There is a certain malevolent hypocrisy on the part of conservatives who for 8 years under Obama said they wanted America to burn to the ground for that 'sin'."
-- Let it burn and make it burn are two different things. Most of the "let it burn," were convinced that policies like the stimulus would fail to meet their metrics and would cause more misery. The "let it burn" folks were firmly in the, well, people got what they voted for. That is much, much different than Kerry and others going to foreign countries and sabotaging American diplomacy.
Matthew... you are fucking disgusting.
It’s sadly comical how Trumpists continue to believe Trump’s droppings.
Blogger Alex said...
Matthew... you are fucking disgusting.
Alex, how did that "Cash for Clunkers" go for you ?
Other Inga: It is sadly comical how Trumpists continue to think Trump can get to 270!
Gell-Mann, on full display. Everyday from the "lets send pallets of cash to Iran" contingent!
LOL
The dems: supporting MS13/Hamas and Kim Jong un, all in the same week.
Amazing.
"Matthew... you are fucking disgusting."
-- Please explain; I tried to clarify the point. People who thought Obama's plans were bad often did say "Let it burn." The implication is something is on fire, so you let it burn. And, the bad policies often did burn out after awhile. The stimulus failure eventually died; the ACA burned out too.
It was a political strategy that, since the Democrats and Obama weren't going to even entertain input from Republicans, it was best to just sit back and let them do what they wanted. If they left had enacted better policies, *it would not have been burning.*
They did not, however, send delegates to foreign countries to tell them, "don't deal with the elected president of the United States" or set up a #Resistance to act as a shadow government.
"Precisely. North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal without the interference of Trump"
Drago is correct, the whole point from the Chinese strategic perspective is about the US, primarily regarding trade and secondarily about Chinese power and influence. The US is simultaneously the guarantor of Chinese prosperity and its main strategic rival.
The US market is the greatest economic asset on earth. Access to it is El Dorado. China's interests re either Korea are trivial in comparison. And it's China that's keeping NK alive. NK was, post 1991, a Chinese pressure point vs the US and secondarily vs Japan. SK was incidental.
Blogger Alex said...
There is a certain malevolent hypocrisy on the part of conservatives who for 8 years under Obama said they wanted America to burn to the ground for that 'sin'.
Very malevolent.
Alex, take some deep breaths. Maybe with a paper bag over your mouth.
I thought Obama was an empty suit and still think we are lucky he was as incompetent as he is.
I don't recall any "America burn to the ground" comments from the right.
I do remember Michelle saying "For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country."
Is that what you mean ?
No matter what Trump does they will spin it as a failure. If he cured cancer they would say he put millions of health care makers and wig manufacturers out of work.
No matter what Obama did, they spun it as a success.
Trump was right to call off talks, and it isn't surprising, Un said he is open to talks.
Oh, look Inga goes full screaming about "...I'm very upset...". Inga, one day's headline is not the end of the negotiation. Just this morning NK is back at the table. Negotiations under all circumstances is a long drawn out process. Since you've displayed a complete ignorance of how negotiations are actually driven in the real world, I would suggest you refrain from your politically driven screams. They are proof of your ignorance.
@Alex,
There is a certain malevolent hypocrisy on the part of conservatives who for 8 years under Obama said they wanted America to burn to the ground for that 'sin'.
I dispute this. I voted against Obama (twice), but easily accepted him as President. True, I think his policies were not so hot, but nothing catastrophic. I certainly didn't want America to burn to the ground -- that's crazy talk.
I wanted Obama to: (a) cut taxes, (b) tighten our borders, (c) not do that silly Obamacare. As a liberal, he went the other direction.
That's life.
The worst thing about Obama is that he enabled all these leftists (Brennan, Comey, Lynch) to run wild in his administration and grow the bureaucracy at the expense of the private sector.
That's life, too.
But, now, we have a President undoing this. Let the great restoration continue!
That's life, too.
“If he cured cancer they would say he put millions of health care makers and wig manufacturers out of work.”
We used to say this about Obama.
Michael K: "I don't recall any "America burn to the ground" comments from the right."
On the contrary, its the leftists burning things down, destroying the constitution, etc.
We on the right want to "Make America Great Again"......hey, I kind of like that.
I wonder if it can utilized to positive effect in an election or something...
Oh Yeah, remember how the Inga's everywhere told us what a stupid slogan that was?
LOL
Obama put health care workers out of work without curing cancer.
Inga: "We used to say this about Obama."
LOL
Why? What did obama every build or create?
According to him, nothing....
Filed under: When democrat/lefty/LLR memes collide
hstad: "Inga, one day's headline is not the end of the negotiation. Just this morning NK is back at the table."
Shhhhhhh, just let her go. Just let her go....
LOL
"We used to say this about Obama."
-- And you were wrong, as people approved of several of the things he did, and often of him personally, but not politically. Things such as his early handling of the War on Terror were often met by the right as acceptable, or even praised.
Trump literally offered a path to citizenship to the left, something his entire base did not want him to do, but STILL got called a racist Nazi by the very same people he was offering complete capitulation to.
The worst thing about Obama is that he enabled all these leftists (Brennan, Comey, Lynch) to run wild in his administration and grow the bureaucracy at the expense of the private sector.
In retrospect, that may be true. We didn't know about that.
I thought the "Stimulus" which excluded "burly men" was the worst followed by Obamacare which was never going to work.
I have graduate degrees in health policy and even considered what might be a f=good way to reform US healthcare.
If anyone is interested, it is here in some detail.
It is based on the French system which many leftists describe as "single payer, which it is not.
Sadly, the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group learned the wrong lesson from the failure of Hillarycare.
They decided to buy off the insurance companies that Hillary stiffed.
", is likely to result in North and South Korea concluding a separate peace under the auspices of China"
If this gets NK to "open", and gets rid of NK nukes this is a huge plus for the US.
As for the US and the Pacific Rim, the US was already losing it pre-Trump. That's why the Chinese were happy to humiliate Obama. The nations of East Asia fear China, and would like to rely on their US alliances to keep China away.
But they have known for several years that the balance of power was shifting and that the US was not so likely to honor its commitments should it come to a showdown. This was, for instance, both Duterte's and Lee Kwan Yews opinions on the matter, that the US alliance had become a dead letter.
We used to say this about Obama.
That's projecting the Left's typical reaction onto the Right.
“If he cured cancer they would say he put millions of health care makers and wig manufacturers out of work.”
We used to say this about Obama.
Obama couldn't run a falafel stand without a $2 million/yr Federal grant.
Other things Republicans supported: Obama's increased deportations, some of his political appointments, some of his diplomacy with neutral or friendly nations (though they were critical of his bigger blunders, such as letting Russia go uncontested, Libya and the red line), his more relaxed domestic policy when it came to the war on drugs. Republicans in Congress were willing to deal on multiple aspects of the ACA, most notably, would have let a stand-alone bill dealing with pre-existing conditions through Congress to decouple it from the ACA, but were shot down by the unwillingness of the Democrats in Congress to deal at all on the bill.
Some Republicans were even sympathetic, in part, to the Stimulus (provided it had been targeted, timely and temporary -- which pretty much every Republican knew wouldn't happen with a government program, but were willing to support the idea if it could be worked.)
Inga, Obama never built anything. Remember, "At some point you have made enough money."
Do you still think he believes that ?
Shhhhh, let Drago speak. Lord knows he never gets a word in edgewise/ways.
Also: nearly unanimously, every Republican cheered getting bin Laden. So, no. If Obama cured cancer, Republicans would probably not have disliked it. We actually have a perfectly extreme example where Republicans *actually gave him credit.*
Darrell: "Obama couldn't run a falafel stand without a $2 million/yr Federal grant"
Sure he could!
Easy 6 step process for obama:
1) Establish falafel stand with a $2M Federal Grant
2) Wait 1 Week
3) Receive Newsweek and Chamber of Commerce Businessman of the Year Award
4) Sell business to Jeff Bezos for $457,000,000
5) Have Bill Ayers ghostwrite book "How I Succeeded in Business Using the Hillary Clinton Cattle Futures Techniques" (with special forward by Hillary Clinton)
6) Sign contract with Miramax for Movie rights to "Barack Obama, Businessman Extraordinaire by Day, Crime Fighter By Night"
Take a break from all the hard work by retiring to Richard Branson's private island in the Carribbean.
Send Note to Bob Menendez asking about his contacts for Dominican underage "contacts"....
Americans thought that Obama's policies were not viable, but there were no calls, let alone actions, for an elective abortion, of him, Democrats, or America. They followed his evolution through eight years until its natural conclusion. That said, after the fifth trimester, the baby hunts, baby trials, and calls for a Planned President are unseemly at best.
Trump is a dodo and should go the way of the dodo. Kim King Kong has devastatingly destructive nuclear weapons, and is untouchable militarily. The fact that John Bolton is a part of the administration is beyond scary. He is a warmonger. We need impeachment hearings to prevent war.
Inga: "Shhhhh, let Drago speak. Lord knows he never gets a word in edgewise/ways"
I'm sorry China's entire strategic future is dependent on the US and Trump is using that to great effect and that it upsets you.
Perhaps Trump should issue a Morgan Freeman non-apology apology: I'm sorry if anyone involved in the China/US Trade Policies felt abused or harassed.
LOL
Trumpit: "Trump is a dodo and should go the way of the dodo."
Congratulations Trumpit.
You have successfully offered up the most potent democrat/lefty/LLR criticism of Trump today.
I'm not saying it was a high bar...
I thought we were sad at the loss of the dodo, and that the killing of the dodo served as a warning on the destruction of something rare and wonderful by people who were not farsighted enough to understand the wonders of the dodo.
Inga wrote
"The US under Trump is losing it’s place as a leading world power."
Making the point of her cut and paste which referred to the US as "the world's greatest superpower,"
Watching The View destroys brain cells faster than mainlined meth. But then I don't believe Inga reads her cut and pastes or if she does she does not do so with understanding. It is touching actually that she participates in this arena with some heavy weights and belives as Don Quixote would that she is landing punches. She literally does not know what is happening.
Mercifully there are many female commenters here who are whip smart with carefully concealed mean streaks. Otherwise a reader might get the wrong idea.
Trumpit
Are you also a fan of The View?
Michael: "Trumpit
Are you also a fan of The View?"
Fan?
LOL
Try "Head Writer"
“It is touching actually that she participates in this arena with some heavy weights and belives as Don Quixote would that she is landing punches.”
Like you? LOL.
Lets all watch Obama do his shovel ready BS, shall we?
LINK TEXT
OT for ARM Who was pissing and moaning about the price of oil after withdrawal from the Iran fiasco.
Khesanh, you may have noticed that ARM and Inga and LLR Chuck and the rest of the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight never mention the markets, jobs, commodity prices, consumer confidence, job outlook and confidence data, corporate and small business hiring, etc very often.
Only on the days where there are slight bubbles which then recover and then disappear down the Lefty Talking Point Black Hole, which, as you can imagine, contains literally INFINITE mass....
LOL
Trump is a dodo and should go the way of the dodo.
What have you against Endangered Species?
Kim King Kong has devastatingly destructive nuclear weapons, and is untouchable militarily.
That's actually true! He's a communist thug.
The fact that John Bolton is a part of the administration is beyond scary.
Is it that mustache or his foreign policy opinions?
He is a warmonger.
He did support the Iraq War. You're kinda right here, too!
We need impeachment hearings to prevent war.
Impeach Bolton? He's not Senate confirmed. You don't normally impeach the National Security Advisor -- he's just an advisor to President Trump.
You should keep pushing for impeachment during the campaign season!
🐿!
The NORKs are only a superpower in the minds of those who want them to be. Otherwise they rank somewhere south of Latvia. Of course, having been allowed by numerous US presidential administrations ( a great example of bipartisanship) to acquire a nuclear weapon does give them leg up as it were.
Thomas Pickering is the POS longtime swamp creature who was on the Benghazi investigation committee. Of course, that committee found "nothing to see here". He currently is bigshot board member of a company based in Moscow.
The NORKs are a superpower in the same way that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for President ever AND possesses massive Electoral Strength!!
LOL
I thought it was a brilliant move on Trump's part to cancel the summit when he did. The preparations had become rocky, some one was going to make a move to nix the deal and whoever did it would assume the upper hand in any resumption of negotiations, should they occur. Lil Kim now has to be the one to come asking for forgiveness.
The results of this deal making are enormous, far-reaching, could determine the future of life on earth; but it's still the same deal making as buying a used car. Kim has the car, we have the cash to purchase it. If he wants to improve his conditions, he has to make a sale. The worst we can do is continue life as before.
No surprise at all that MSM wants to portray this is a failure, they are corrupt morons whose hatred of anything Trump determines their view of every issue in the world. For those clowns, the result they really fear the most is Trump success whether it is in denuclearizing the Korean peninsula or putting on a beauty pageant.
It's like people on the Left have never followed Trump's dealmaking in the past. If ever there was a non-straight line from start to finish....
Who said North Korea is a superpower?
MadisonMan: "It's like people on the Left have never followed Trump's dealmaking in the past"
Some liberals are capable of learning.
Very very few leftists are...even when you provide them answers to the questions ahead of time.
ago said...
Michael: "Trumpit
Are you also a fan of The View?"
Fan?
LOL
Try "Head Writer"
Here I thought he was McCain's ghost writer for his new book.
An interesting piece from Powerline about the emerging strategy re: Iran. Link.
Anyone who thinks this is, precisely right, is elevating North Korea to "superpower" status: "The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower,"
Know anyone who thought that was precisely right?
I really enjoyed Trump's comments to the Naval Academy graduates today.
I wouldn't recommend any leftists watch it though. There were waaaaaaaayy too many people standing up to respect our National Anthem there for lefties to be comfortable.
Also not to the lefties liking: no special scholarship opportunities for MS13 murderers to attend the Academy.
Somehow, NK became a superpower just by having Trump talk to them!
LOL
Trump can literally achieve anything....
Where oh where is Trump's secret love child, Chuck?
Dotards don't understand you can't make Chinese/Korean people lose face and hope for any peaceful resolution. Dotards apparently want war.
"North and South Korea and China are probably happy to make this deal"
So I wonder what South Korea gets out of this deal they supposedly want to make?
1. They get to rebuild North Korea which has been totally ruined while a Chinese client. Germany rebuilt East Germany which was supposedly in pretty good shape - and it was hugely expensive. North Korea is not supposed by anyone to be in good shape. So - South Korea take a gigantic economic hit
2. South Korea gets to be a Chinese client like North Korea so that the economic reconstruction will be supervised by China and North Korea. So South Korea economy will be run by Lil' Kim and the Chinese. We've seen the results of their previous economic work together. What a great - or, anyhow, what a different idea, South Korea.
3. Then South Korea goes forward as a Chinese client. Like Tibet and North Korea. And, South Korea wants this, says the left. I just wonder, y'know, just wonder if that is true. I mean, the left thought America wanted Hillary; now the left thinks South Korea wants to go it alone with the dynamic duo of Xi and Rocketman.
Where oh where is Trump's secret love child, Chuck?
Butt baby.
@Inga From the first line of your 12:04 post. “The bungling of the U.S. President, who has elevated the North Korean dictatorship to equal status with the world's greatest superpower," Short term memory loss?!?
What the hell is this China NORK deal that everyone is wasting space on?
One can only imagine the economic hit SK would take to rebuild NK. Probably a Great Depression. But worth it for peace.
"Dotards don't understand you can't make Chinese/Korean people lose face and hope for any peaceful resolution."
-- That's... pretty racist. Also: Completely wrong, since North Korea DID apologize to Trump and came back to the bargaining table.
North Korea was never a superpower, but leave it to Trump, he can do anything.
I bet not a single Dotard conservative on this site understand what 'face' means to a Chinese or Korean person.
Matthew... Dotard made Kim lose face and for that will never see peace. Pence/Walrusman throwing Libya is just pouring gasoline on the conflagration. Dotards will Dotard.
the NorKs and the Palestinians have something in common. They are the cudgel used to beat the US over the head with. Only one has Nukes and those need to go.
We're... we're seeing peace LITERALLY RIGHT NOW.
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