A sad stopgap. But is it legal?
In February, the Drug Enforcement Administration stated that safe injection sites "violate federal law" and would be "subject to legal action.”
May 4, 2018
"New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Thursday evening that the city would push a plan to open so-called safe injection sites for heroin users..."
"... part of an effort to reduce an epidemic of deadly drug overdoses across the city. The facilities, also known as overdose prevention centers, provide drug users with access to clean needles and space to inject drugs. They are overseen by staff trained to use the overdose-reversing antidote naloxone and suggest addiction treatment options for illicit drug users."
A sad stopgap. But is it legal?
A sad stopgap. But is it legal?
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In the 1960's the left embraced the motto "if it feels good, do it". In this case, the druggies feel good and de Blasio feels good. Society be damned.
"But is it legal?"
Yes, because hypocrisy is the middle name of the Democrat H. Party. So for example if any Democrat such as Bill or Hillary does it, then it's legal.
No, if anyone else.
Next question,
There are a lot of drug addicts who will go through the endless cycle of rob, buy drugs, visit "safe" injection site into eternity. I read an article about one who overdosed four times in one day, "saved" each time by the wonders of Naloxone.
If you haven't already ... leave New York now. There is a way to live - and live a much better life - if you just make up your mind to escape the madness.
My suggestion to end the heroin problem is to legalize heroin and outlaw Narcovan. The problem will solve itself.
"If you haven't already ... leave New York now. There is a way to live - and live a much better life - if you just make up your mind to escape the madness."
No. Stay there. Don't come here.
Respect for the law is a cornerstone of a peaceful society. When prominent people face to restrictions under the law (e.g. Clinton) or flout the law (e.g. DeBlasio) or when institutions ignore the law (e.g. sanctuary cities or FBI/DOJ criminality)... average people are watching and learning the New Rules.
It is a bad formula.
De Blasio should make a mayoral visit to the site and shoot up to demonstrate how safe it is.
Left wing Democrats today: "We don't need no steenkin' laws!"
I saw this episode of The Wire.
Kind of brings to mind the homeless centers that are mostly empty because they are too dangerous.
There’s a word for this - “enabling.”
I guess this idea is premised upon the notion that heroin addicts care whether they live or die and will seek out this safe place to fix. I'm not sure they do care and, if I'm right, not very many of them will take advantage of such a facility. Can they be forced to go there?
Is it a sign of a civilized society that the rest of us are supposed to care and try to do something to keep the addicts from killing themselves? I guess, yes.
Is this admitting defeat in the War on Drugs?
There’s a word for this - “enabling.”
Yep, just like DeBlasio has enabled homelessness by the "hands off" policy regarding sleeping on sidewalks, subway stations, public urination, etc.
Speaking of the homeless, how many things can you think of that is wrong with the Seattle/San Francisco idea of making the "big corporations" build office towers with mini apartments for the "homeless"?
Strike "office," and write "high-rise."
So why is smoking so heavily regulated and enforced in New York, if is perfectly fine to shoot up dangerous drugs?
Here's an alternative solution:
"The broken windows theory is a criminological theory that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory thus suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, public drinking and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes."
Just a comment on how this worked in Canada. The first safe injection site I'm aware of was in Vancouver on the west coast. It's been around many years now. Vancouver is our 3rd largest city. Fast forward a few years and all large cities now have sites. Fast forward a few more years and my much smaller city of 100,000 is going through the usual controversy. All the liberals agree we need a site, but they don't want it near there fancy downtown condo or business.
Bottom line is, if you think it will stop at NYC, I suspect you are mistaken.
I need help identifying the comfortable and afflicted in this scenario.
Sally327 said...
I guess this idea is premised upon the notion that heroin addicts care whether they live or die...
A recent study suggests that they do...and that steps taken by others to reduce the riskiness are outdone by the heroin addicts, who respond by increasing the riskiness of their own drug use:
But state laws that provide wider access to naloxone, sold under brand names including Narcan, may unintentionally increase opioid abuse, according to a new study published in SSRN, a collaborative research network.
As access to a lifesaving drug reduces the risk of overdose death, more dangerous drug use -- including higher doses -- becomes more appealing, the researchers speculated. Such increased abuse may even lead to higher death rates.
But, can you smoke or vape while you are injecting at safe injection sites? Or, do you have to go outside and stand 50 feet away from the doorway? We certainly don't want anyone getting cancer from second hand smoke or sweet smelling vape clouds while safely injecting.
...and that steps taken by others to reduce the riskiness are outdone by the heroin addicts, who respond by increasing the riskiness of their own drug use...
Peltzman Effect.
Actually, it might make sense for "the big corporations" to build high-rise residential towers with mini apartments for their employees, who can't afford Seattle/San Francisco housing prices on just $100k/year salaries, but the Cities, of course, intend to collect the money and build the towers to warehouse their unemployable "homeless homeless" as municipal enterprises.
Next up, solving the homicide problem:
NYC will create a "shooting gallery" where urban youth can gun each other down in complete safety with no danger of hitting civilians.
The city will also offer free, clean 9mm's and ammo, to prevent the theft of firearms from lawful owners.
Sadly, the root cause of the "epidemic" is the return of Blue State nannyism to NYC. I've lived here all my life and have seen the symptoms come and go (I'm a tail-end Boomer). City was a true horror until Rudy took over(Koch was a trooper for a lefty and definitely amusing, but OMG Dinkins!).
Since Giuliani and early Bloomberg (boy did he turn stupid), these signs have been steadily flowing back and De Blasio has made matters far worse, but this is apparently what the citizens want. So, like many, I'm riding out the string in my career and then I will move somewhere sane and arm the eff up. I'd like to think Adams is right, but ....
The 70s have returned to New York City!
Homelessness in the streets, crime on the upswing and graffitti on the subways! Thank you Mayor DeBlasio (D-NY) and Democratic City Council. Mayor Koch would never have allowed this.
Or:
https://youtu.be/Mmm3KTa601s
(Welcome Back, Kotter intro)
DanTheMan said...
Next up, solving the homicide problem:
NYC will create a "shooting gallery" where urban youth can gun each other down in complete safety with no danger of hitting civilians.
The city will also offer free, clean 9mm's and ammo, to prevent the theft of firearms from lawful owners.
5/4/18, 8:14 AM
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Don't be so holy, people. PDJT won in part because he recognized and called for attention to the opioid crisis, which apparently affected many of the places where he won. <--not an apology for the egregious B di B.
I saw this season of The Wire on HBO.
Nice one Bad Lieutenant. One of my favorite Simpsons lines ever.
There are really only two workable options for solving this epidemic:
1. Let them overdose and die.
2. Round up all the addicts and incarcerate them in a locked rehab camp for a few months or however long it takes.
While the first option would be easier and cheaper, I prefer the second. A drug addict is incapable of freely making the right choices and is clearly a danger to him/herself and to society.
Lee Kwan Yew solved the addict problem in Singapore by catching all of them and putting them on a prison-island.
A few years later they were "clean", and moreover there was little of a drug culture left in the city, no network of dealers.
It’s always the same MO: Sime group of victims hasn’t been included. ‘They’ (actual assholes but also sane, normal people, reality, non-ideologues, anyone and anything really) have ignored and helped create the problem. ‘We’ (true-believing progressive cult members, empathetic, inclusive and who KNOW how the world really is and the utopia to come) are the ones we’ve been waiting for. Fight the system.
Meanwhile, actual people like heroin addicts who may need help at the steeper costs help requires...most of them are poorly incentivized (you poor baby) until the money and good will runs out. Productive, reasonable people who do things are punished, vilified and taken advantage of, potentially by both heroin addicts and the parasitic de Blasios controlling politics with their hare-brained schemes.
But, Naloxone is an after-the-fact fix.
Surely a full-service public shooting gallery would make some effort to determine your tolerance, and then test what you intended to inject for potency, presence of rat poison, etc. before you injected it? And if results were inconclusive, supply you with the pharmaceutical opioid drug of your choice, at no cost to you?
With a suitably inclusive liability waiver, of course.
They should build a room for them that looks like a shower.
Then cremate the bodies to generate electricity.
We'll let you shoot up, no problem.
But, boy, if you do it out-of-bounds... release the hounds!
Round up all the addicts and incarcerate them in a locked rehab camp for a few months or however long it takes.
Help the people. Abort the progression.
Lee Kwan Yew solved the addict problem in Singapore by catching all of them and putting them on a prison-island.
A few years later they were "clean", and moreover there was little of a drug culture left in the city, no network of dealers.
Isolate the infected from the delivery vectors. Treat them for the disease during the transition. A sustainable solution that aborts a progression condition, while reducing collateral damage.
Does anyone in the blue states think about RESPONSIBILITY?
I guess they don't care about the shithole they are making their states into.
> They are overseen by staff trained to use the overdose-reversing antidote naloxone
All this does is let the junkies get push the limits.
Heroin addiction is a form of suicide. Let them.
> If you haven't already ... leave New York now. There is a way to live -
> and live a much better life - if you just make up your mind to escape the madness.
No, don't.
You voted for and contributed to that mess. Clean that sh*t up, don't come here and f*k over my state too.
>>Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
It's just the logical consequence of the proposed "solution". Like giving out birth control in high schools, because teenagers are going to have sex anyway.
My suggestion was that they also give out tequila and cigarettes, because kids are going to drink and smoke, too.
Funny, but that idea was never adopted...
I wonder about liability issues as some of the users die in the official shooting galleries despite the presence of city officials and Narcan.
Pretty sure if this happens, broke users in need of a fix will simply wait outside the injection center and ambush users on their way to inject, stealing their stash and robbing them of anything else they can, and then flee to wherever it is they normally shoot up.
I read there was a recent push to persuade normal people to carry naloxone with them so they could save the lives of junkies in a pinch, should they happen across one suffering from an OD.
I'd rather buy all the available naloxone and burn it, thereby raising the price and making it less affordable. I have no tolerance for junkies. If given the ability, I'd poison each and every user's needle with a thrice-fatal dose of Fentanyl so that the very next time they shoot up, they die. Of course, I'd much rather have the ability to cure everyone of their addiction overnight and prevent anyone else from ever touching the stuff, but that's even less likely. So, yeah, poison it is.
So long as they are in the outer boroughs ....
Hamsterdam!
I think they should open up school gymnasiums and let the kids watch.
If I organized a safe injection site at my house, I'd be arrested as an aider and abettor. Possibly also as being in constructive possession of all the dope.
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