February 5, 2018

Don Jr. sounds awful, with "There is a little bit of sweet revenge in it for me and certainly, probably, the family"...

... but if the biggest problem with the Nunes memo was that it isolated a few things out of context, then you ought to want to hear the whole context that contains that one juicy remark.



Jr. begins with, "What if Bush had done this to Obama?," which is a great question, calling us to think in neutral objective terms — the polar opposite of thinking about "revenge" for "the family."

He develops the idea that the investigation has always been corrupt, and when Jesse Watters asks him if "it's always been rotten to the core," Don Jr. says:
It always has been. We always said that. It is so ridiculous that — let it go though. The real problem I have with it — other than millions in legal fees and lots of time wasted and being smeared throughout the media for years — at least they uncovered this — what if they wouldn't have? If they would have just let it go at this point — I mean — there is a little bit of sweet revenge in it for me and certainly, probably for the family in the sense that if they wouldn't have done this, this stuff would be going on. This would be going on at the highest levels of government. They'd be continuing to do it to my father, trying to undermine his actions. Imagine how effective he could be — given the year he's had — without this cloud over his head. So I want them to come — but come to a conclusion already because you've been looking for 2 years. You've come up with nothing other than their own nefarious actions and their own collusions. So at this point, you've gotta come to something. Just come to something. Because, if they try to drag it out for a year, they try to drag it so that the Democrats have their talking points. I watch it right now. You see the Democratic Senators — "This is McCarthyism" — I'm like — "What?!" You have a guy that's been screaming "Russia! Russia! Russia!" with no evidence, obvious collusion — all this shade — for 18 months, screaming about McCarthyism? The irony is ridiculous at this point.
"Revenge" was a terribly bad word choice for him there — especially alongside "the family." (And it didn't help that he mispronounced "nefarious" so that it began with the first 2 syllables of "Neapolitan.")

And he does string a lot of ideas together in a casual speech style that's a lot like his father's. This can be confusing, especially when the word "it" flies by. A little bit of sweet revenge in what?

Trump antagonists are going to see the popping out of the word "revenge" as highly significant. It resonates with the idea that Trump doesn't understand the proper functioning of law and government but views the presidency as a realm of personal power. It reminds them of Trump's continual insinuations about "loyalty." Don Jr. jabbered a lot of words, but that one word — revenge! — revealed the nasty inner workings of the Trump family.

To Trump fans, "revenge" will seem like an odd word that feels diluted by all the other words. It was immediately moderated by the phrase "in the sense that" and all that followed. You can see that Don Jr. feels that he and his father have been terribly mistreated (and prevented from doing even more of their good works) and those terrible Democrats might easily have gotten away with their nefarious plot against the President.

But I think even in the Trump-sympathetic reading, there's a revelation of how Trump talks about himself behind the scenes, that he feels beleaguered and must fight for his life in a battle of good and evil. I want to balance that by saying that I think many of his opponents also seem to see themselves as fighters in an epic battle between good and evil.

I wonder why someone who goes on television in a hot political environment isn't more guarded in the choice of words. How do you let a word like "revenge" slip out? I have to think that Don Jr. is like his father, trusts his instincts, and believes that things will work out best if you let the words flow out spontaneously. People — not all people, but some people — will feel that you're speaking from your heart and are a real person and that even if you're flawed, you're basically a good person or will at least let us see where you are bad. Donald Trump Sr. has said so many things the wrong way, and it sometimes seems incredible that he sails on through, but I think we — many of us, not all of us — have a taste for word salad.

Revenge is one spicy ingredient in a word salad best served cold.

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Inga...Allie Oop said...

And I ask myself daily, how can they have been so stupid to have voted for Trump and worse, how can they continue the stupidity by supporting his crumbling Presidency. Wall Street knows better.

Trump says we need a strong dollar while Mnuchin says we need a weak dollar, lol.

Michael said...

ARM

I have been buying so sorry if I missed your deeply disguised and unintended "humor." A dead cat bounce, fyi, occurs in a long time falling market. It is a day in which stocks recover temporarily. But you have probably looked it up by now.

Jaq said...

Wow, half that 1,500 already made up!

Michael said...

Tim in Vermont

I have made a bit on those 700 pts. LOL

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Michael said...
I have been buying


Is Piggly Wiggly still open?

Michael said...

ARM

No, but Morgan Stanley is.

buwaya said...

As for falling 1500, there is always tomorrow. Or up 1500, who knows.

After the S&P ran up 24% in 2017, and then another 5-6% or so just in Jan 18, one has to expect some reaction from such craziness.

Me, I plan on a steady 5% p/a average and anything better is gravy.

tcrosse said...

It's not very remunerating to allow your political passions, or any other passions for that matter, rule your investing.

Matt Sablan said...

"Wow, half that 1,500 already made up!"

-- Wait. Wait. Wait.

This DOW up/down thing is... stuff that's happening in real time? We're not talking averages or closing numbers... but, like, what is happening JUST THIS SECOND?

Michael said...

tcrosse
bingo

JaimeRoberto said...

Hmm, what the phrase, reward your friends and punish your enemies?

Drago said...

ARM: "Is Piggly Wiggly still open?"

Possibly. They have traditionally been one of the more innovative and interesting little companies for decades.

But that's one of those yucky business things that you don't want to hear about.

Michael said...

Matthew Sablan

You are not woke dude. The DOW is a proxy for sjw's current butt hurt Traders, hedge funds, endowments, individuals are all selling because russiarussiarussiarussia.

Drago said...

"Me, I plan on a steady 5% p/a average and anything better is gravy"

Sounds somewhat conservative and reasonable.

Look, all I know is to listen to the biggest political dems and LLR Chuck and do the exact opposite.

There is no such thing as a "Sure Thing", but that "ain't" bad.

Matt Sablan said...

"Traders, hedge funds, endowments, individuals are all selling because russiarussiarussiarussia."

-- Wait, wait, wait. I thought all those rich Republicans WANTED Russia, Russia, Russia?

buwaya said...

The same thing has been going on with international indexes mostly.

The Hang Seng and Dax look a lot like the Dow/S&P.
FTSE is much wilder, but the same crazy Jan peak and fall.

This is why my international equities semi-hedge is not too useful as they all more or less do the same thing.

Anonymous said...

TiV: It’s a dead squirrel bounce.

Lol. Classic.

I took profit off the dead squirrel today.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Whoops we are going back down again.

“Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride”

buwaya said...

"You are not woke dude. The DOW is a proxy for sjw's current butt hurt Traders, hedge funds, endowments, individuals are all selling because russiarussiarussiarussia. "

That does not explain 2017, or Nov-Dec 2016. Or you are being funny, I can't tell.

Drago said...

BTW, whatever happened to those nice "professional" "straight-shooters" Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Rybicki, Priestap, and Ohr at the FBI & DOJ?

Its a shame they aren't on the job prowling around to keep us all safe in our beds against our enemies.

It's especially hard on the pocketbook since being out of the Bureau and/or Dept means alot fewer $700,000 "donations" to your wife's campaigns.

Ouch.

That's gonna leave a budget hole that will be hard to fill since Hillary doesn't waste cash on folks that can't help her.

I mean, look at Steele. He was so happy and motivated about his first set of payoffs from Hillary/DNC/FBI for the first hoax "dossier" that he put his nose to the grindstone and came up with ANOTHER fake "dossier" which he fed to the FBI for spying purposes!

Now that's precisely the kind of "go-getters we want on our EM-50 Project"!

Michael said...

buwaya

Making a joke, of course. The market is not reacting to anything political other than the fantastic growth we have seen resulting in inflation fears and people cycling out of equities for bonds. Those in bonds crying as their "safe" investments collapse.

Michael said...

Not to mention taking fantastic profits.

Drago said...

“Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride”

Its fun going a bit up and down and looking down on where we used to be.

But that's the nature of the market, particularly one with a rocketing GDP, rising wages, tightening labor pool (not to worry dems, there are still plenty of illegals to close the gaps on much needed rapes and murders "prison filling"), tightening credit and volatility from renegotiation and restructuring of our trade deals.

Time to get out of some stocks and into others.

And just when are they going to dump the "GE" dog that Immelt the obambi-pal destroyed?

Shares down 40% in 2017 alone. So much for buddying up with a marxist who wanted to "transform America".

Well, he certainly helped Immelt "transform" GE.

Anonymous said...

Inga: “That was awesome, Inga. Five stars..” croaks the Angelic Buzzard, high praise indeed. I’ll be happy to repeat it if I have to.

No, I mean it. That was awesome. That was some seriously funny shit.

Drago said...

"Not to mention taking fantastic profits"

Profit-takin' is good.

Very good.

Drago said...

BTW, Trump was in Ohio again today and nailing down the midwest for 2018 and 2020.

Inga thinks the dems, who disrepected the parents of children murdered by Inga's beloved MS-13 "dreamers", are in good shape for 2018.

Lots of great campaign themes for the dems: "Give back your tax break crumbs" is one of my personal favorites!

Another is "You only think you are doing better you deplorable racist legal citizen nazi's!"

Michael said...

Drago

Yes. And it is always good to ponder who might be the buyers on a day like today. These are the guys we later read about and say....I could have done that but....

It takes guts which I rarely have in enough abundance on days like today. In a week or a month I will be kicking myself that I didn't buy more.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Twitter said ...
Sources inside the WH are telling me Dow Jones is just a "low level volunteer... a coffee boy"

buwaya said...

" Those in bonds crying as their "safe" investments collapse."

True, relatively. There hasn't been upside in bonds for a long time.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Monday's big skid — which was the largest intraday trading drop in Dow history.”

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trump Considering Firing Dow Jones Industrial Average

buwaya said...

"Yes. And it is always good to ponder who might be the buyers on a day like today. "

I have nothing to buy WITH. All in and not moving.

Drago said...

"It takes guts which I rarely have in enough abundance on days like today. In a week or a month I will be kicking myself that I didn't buy more."

Don't do it Michael?

ARM has graciously forwarded the Paul Krugman Weekly Investor Newsletter to me and it says to sell everything and re-invest in a "safe" "liberal" foreign economic People's Paradise.

For instance, Venezuela, or Greece.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“‘The president clearly set himself up’: Trump’s stock market miscalculation.

After cheering the market’s relentless rise, President Trump now faces the reality of its sudden fall.”

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Trump’s shortsighted campaign to claim ownership of the stock market could backfire.”

Drago said...

buwaya: 'I have nothing to buy WITH. All in and not moving."

My movement was a simple fortuitious bit of timing which I did not control and in an amount not incredibly large. But I'm all in as well.

I'd advise ARM strongly to get out now before he has to explain to his lefty pals why he insisted on helping to prop up the evil oligarchs of Wall Street. That's the kind of charge that inevitably leads to the lefties demanding their "pal" subject himself to about 15 hours straight of Maoist/Stalinist Self-Criticism.

For the good of the People, naturally.

Michael said...

Interesting to see the liberals shivering in joy like dogs shitting peach pits. Indicative, unfortunately. It is, in the end, all about money. The better the economy the more people employed and the more people employed the less voters for the progs. You would think they could hide their joy,

buwaya said...

My little flyer on the side, btw, based on last October's arguments, on Ruger RGR and Smith&Wesson AOBC, has done poorly. worse than the S&P 500

Drago said...

Inga: "“Trump’s shortsighted campaign to claim ownership of the stock market could backfire."

Trump's shortsighted campaign to ignore the possibility of Godzilla emerging from the ocean to destroy Hoboken NJ could backfire.

Trump’s shortsighted campaign to not make Swedish our official language, require wearing of underwear on the OUTSIDE of our clothing to facilitate inspection AND failure to declare Sweet and Sour Sauce the Official State Bird of Massachusetts, could backfire.

buwaya said...

"re-invest in a "safe" "liberal" foreign economic People's Paradise. "

If you had gone into Germany, say, you would be about the same, on an index basis.
Pretty much any major market.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

APOCALYPSE DOW!!!!

We're all gonna die!

Michael said...

Drago

Not enough to urge ARM and Inga to sell. Better for them to #resist by selling shares short, selling the market short. Best on shares they do not own. Better.

But posturing and not acting is their deal, isn't it? Hashtag

Drago said...

Trump’s shortsighted campaign to maintain his campaign of campaigning in the Midwest where Hillary refused to campaign effectively could backfire.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“You would think they could hide their joy”

Schadenfreude. Trump’s stock market braggadocio can now stick in his craw and in yours, lol.

Michael said...

buwaya

Ah, bad timing. Good idea because HRC would have given those names quite a lift. Not so much with the current configuration.

Drago said...

Inga: "Trump’s stock market braggadocio can now stick in his craw and in yours,"

Any standard issue lefty: If the question is when markets will continue to grow, a first-pass answer is 'never'," ...

As Nancy Pelosi would say (when predicting Trump would never be President): "You can take that to the bank."

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Michael seems to think he knows a lot about my stock market strategy, without knowing a single salient fact.

Hmmm.

Seems in keeping with the quality of the rest of his comments on this topic. Men don't panic in a crisis. They look up Twitter for the funniest comments.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Inga's financial expertise is topped only by her unfailingly accurate political predictions.

Truly, we are blessed to have such a whiz whizzing in the Althouse comments section. Nurse, Mother of Mothers, Financial Sage, and better reader of minds and see-er into the future than the Great Karmac.

Drago said...

ARM: "Michael seems to think he knows a lot about my stock market strategy..."

Yikes!

You're in the market?

Well, no worry friend. Your secret is safe with us....you capitalist running dog.

Meade said...

Nancy Pelosi said something bearish? Very irresponsible of her. No wonder Wall Street is crashing.

Drago said...

ARM: "Men don't panic in a crisis."

Well, you certainly don't want to panic in a time of calm! That doesn't even make sense!

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

For the record, I don't blame Trump for this stock sell-off, any more than I blame him for the run-up.

Drago said...

Meade: "Nancy Pelosi said something bearish? Very irresponsible of her. No wonder Wall Street is crashing"

Nancy always tries to time her botox injection failure/facelift collapse activities to coincide with market activities.

Michael said...

Inga

The stock market us up 30 fucking percent since Trump was elected. Are you insane? Is your hatred for him so intense that you cannot do arithmetic? That you would have the market collapse to confirm your investment in a pussy hat? You need some help.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Truly, we are blessed to have such a whiz whizzing in the Althouse comments section. Nurse, Mother of Mothers, Financial Sage, and better reader of minds and see-er into the future than the Great Karmac.”

Don’t be jealous!

Drago said...

ARM: "For the record, I don't blame Trump for this stock sell-off, any more than I blame him for the run-up"

Of course not, it's all obama's economy now.

Especially all those Trump Tax Cut Crumbs, which are horribly small and inconsequential but for which it is extremely important obama get credit.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

BBC Breaking News said ...
Dow Jones share index closes down 4.6% at 24,345, in biggest drop since 2008 financial crisis

Drago said...

Michael: "The stock market us up 30 fucking percent since Trump was elected. Are you insane? Is your hatred for him so intense that you cannot do arithmetic?"

Ah. There's the problem.

You are assuming there existed a capability for arithmetic that existed BEFORE the Trump Hatred.

Even a partisan dem operative lawyer on Muellers staff who is trying to cover for Hillary while framing Trump would know that is assuming facts not in evidence.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

It's funny, I seem to remember people saying on Fox Business News for, oh, at least the past 6 months now, that at some point there will be a correction.

Well, here it is. And I find myself rather unexcited about it, although it's always interesting to see the fevered delight leftists take in what they imagine is the economy crashing, even though they themselves would suffer if it did.

Drago said...

"BBC Breaking News said ...
Dow Jones share index closes down 4.6% at 24,345, in biggest drop since 2008 financial crisis"

Damnit!

Only a 30% overall gain!

This is terrible!

LOL

That's a 30 percentage point better return on investment than Hillary got by paying henchmen to create fake dossiers!

hombre said...

The mediaswine prefer politicians who speak in 30-second sound bites regardless of truth or genuineness. They have conditioned us to expect that. That is why Trump had to be explained to people during the campaign. It's why Salena Zito's admonition to "take Trump seriously, not literally" was good advice.

Trump's handlers will try to force him into that mold and we will be better of if they are unsuccessful.

Don Jr. Is unimportant. What he says is unimportant. What the mediaswine say about what he says is unimportant except insofar is it provides evidence of their pettiness and bias.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Twitter said ...
President George W. Bush can now say with a smile, I no longer hold the record for the Dow Jones Industrial Average largest single-day point plunge

Drago said...

I wonder what the cleaning bill was for the Javits Center was after Hillary's minions fogged up all those glass windows with the extra humidity from their tears?

Window cleaning would have been a lucrative concession to have on November 9, 2016 at that location!

Well, that and the concession for drugs and alchohol for the executive suites, if you know what I mean....

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
It's funny, I seem to remember people saying on Fox Business News for, oh, at least the past 6 months now, that at some point there will be a correction.


You would think that Trump might have thought this through then. Since this information didn't require reading a book or even a magazine to acquire.

Anonymous said...

Michael: But posturing and not acting is their deal, isn't it? Hashtag

In the case of matters financial, I certainly hope so. At least, if markets doing what markets do really does get them as excited as they appear to be today, I hope they have financial advisors not so prone to excitement.

Drago said...

ARM: "You would think that Trump might have thought this through then. Since this information didn't require reading a book or even a magazine to acquire."

Let's see now...yep...yep...yep.

There it is!

We are back to Trump is a dummy on the Wheel of Dem Characterizations of Republican Presidents!

I'm always on the lookout for when the dems add new ones.

Please keep me informed so I can update my tracking wheel.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
I wonder what the cleaning bill was for the Javits Center was after Hillary's minions fogged up all those glass windows with the extra humidity from their tears?


Aaah. The good old days. Living In The Past

Inga...Allie Oop said...

USA TODAY
@USATODAY
#BREAKING Dow ends the day down nearly 1,200 points, the worst one-day point drop in the blue-chip average's history

Drago said...

ARM: "Aaah. The good old days. Living In The Past"

"Southern Strategy" Guy says what?

Trumpit said...

"For the record, I don't blame Trump for this stock sell-off, any more than I blame him for the run-up."

The Trump administration is insidious and invidious, so it deserves a lot of blame for making a mess of things specifically and in general. His administration must be held in check until a new president is elected in 2020 or before.

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/insidious-invidious/

Drago said...

I really hope the lefties decide to run with the "your gains since the election are a mere 30%!" to go along with "Give back your crumbs Serfs" themes.

That should go well.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Angel Dyne said: " At least, if markets doing what markets do really does get them as excited as they appear to be today, I hope they have financial advisors not so prone to excitement.

2/5/18, 3:29 PM

Well, that's nice of you, but I hope they do. Better sell, Inga!! Get out of the market now, ARM! Remember what Krugman said the night of the election!

tcrosse said...

The market is where a lot of government and union pension funds are kept, so it isn't very Woke to gloat at a correction. It's not just icky Republicans who keep money there.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“In the stock market, he left no doubt who he believes deserves the credit.

“The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me,” the president said. “I’ve always been great with money, I’ve always been great with jobs, that’s what I do. And I’ve done it well, I’ve done it really well, much better than people understand and they understand I’ve done well.””

Trump braggadocio.

November 5, 2017

Michael said...

BBC Breaking News said ...
Dow Jones share index closes down 4.6% at 24,345, in biggest drop since 2008 financial crisis


Breaking news, the DOW was 18333 the day Trump was elected. Disastrous stock market.

ARM goes to the BBC to get breaking news on the DOW. Can't make stuff like that up, you really can't.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

I am playing some Arvo Pärt on the stereo and have begun meditating on the transience of all material things.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I am playing some Arvo Pärt on the stereo and have begun meditating on the transience of all material things.”

LOL!

Meade said...

"BBC Breaking News said ...
Dow Jones share index closes down 4.6% at 24,345, in biggest drop since 2008 financial crisis"

SELL!!!

Please, every socialist (with a trading account), every Trump hater, everyone who is pessimistic about our country and it's economy and it's integrity: please take a short position on tomorrow's open. Be like George Soros. Sell America. Keep selling. Sell until you have nothing left to sell with. Thank you.

tcrosse said...

When Gloria Vanderbilt was a girl, there was a lawsuit between her mother and her aunt for custody of her and her considerable fortune. The court announced that it would hand down its verdict the next Monday. So (this part may be apocryphal) there was a newspaper headline "Sic Transit Gloria Monday".

Michael said...

Progressives rejoice at the decline in the stock market. Meditate on that.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

tcrosse said...
The market is where a lot of government and union pension funds are kept, so it isn't very Woke to gloat at a correction. It's not just icky Republicans who keep money there."

Well, sure but leftists will not only cut off their noses to spite their faces, they'll gouge out their eyes to make sure that damn face gets it good and hard.

Because I'm obviously a Russian bot, it reminds me of the Russian joke about a farmer, Ivan, who finds a rusted lamp while plowing. He rubs it and a genii pops out and tells him he will grant Ivan one wish. The farmer says "I want new cow that gives much milk." Hesto presto, Ivan has a healthy new cow which is soon producing more milk than anybody else's cow.

One day, his neighbor Boris finds a rusted old lamp on his property. He rubs it and out comes another genii and tells him he will grant Boris one wish. Boris immediately says "I wish for Ivan's cow to die."




Michael said...

Trumpit

There will not be a presidential election before 2020. You can take that to the bank. Or the stock market. LOL

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Meade wrote:
Please, every socialist (with a trading account), every Trump hater, everyone who is pessimistic about our country and it's economy and it's integrity: please take a short position on tomorrow's open. Be like George Soros. Sell America. Keep selling. Sell until you have nothing left to sell with. Thank you."

Preach it, Meade!

Anonymous said...

exiled: Well, that's nice of you, but I hope they do. Better sell, Inga!! Get out of the market now, ARM! Remember what Krugman said the night of the election!

Whatever one feels, I will note the fact that people with the most muddle-headed political views can be remarkably clear-sighted when it comes to things that affect their own portfolios. As entertaining as it might be to imagine Paul Krugman losing his shirt over his TDS, I'd be mighty surprised if he hasn't been looking after his own financial affairs via the best dispassionate market analyses since election night, and enriching himself as well as the next investor. That people who take him seriously suffered any financial damage thereby...well, c'est la guerre.

Trumpit said...

"Progressives rejoice at the decline in the stock market. Meditate on that."

I don't rejoice in either a decline or an increase in the stock market. I don't own stocks, so it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Meditate on that for a moment.

Michael said...

Trumpit.

I have and remain enthusiastic that you are holding to granpa's advice to stay in cash. Impressive bit of backwood's lore clung to like a bit of log there in the swollen river of time and bad country lore.

Gahrie said...

Dow Jones Industrial Average:

Feb 9, 2015: 18,019.35
Feb 7, 2016: 15,973.84
Nov 6, 2016: 18,847.66 (2 days before Trump elected)
Feb 5, 2017: 20,269.37
Feb 5, 2018: 24,345.75

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