January 27, 2018

"Remember, Trump's broader stated goal is 'merit-based' immigration. His new 'DACA deal' is just that."

"He brings the illegals out of the shadows by registering them. They screw up once, they're gone. He just added a 'merit-based' filter to illegal immigration. Smart."

Tweets Bill Mitchell, quoted in American Thinker (via Instapundit).

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madAsHell said...

Meritocracy is just another way to say white privilege.

/sarc

HT said...

I haven't been here in a while. What's going on with the weird script?

BamaBadgOR said...

Bill Mitchell nailed it. If I had to go 12 years on good behavior, I'd end up back in Germany.

Fritz said...

Democrats don't want a deal on "Dreamers;" they want an issue.

madAsHell said...

Trump's rules would have prevented Barack Hussein Obama's father from entering the country.

Darrell said...

Have Dreamers voluntarily waive their right to vote. in exchange for limited citizenship. That way there is no point in any political group exploiting them. Or us.

madAsHell said...

What's going on with the weird script?

Dunno. You might want to clear the cache, and re-start your browser.

Bay Area Guy said...

As a matter of pure demographics, I find it kinda interesting that the Democrats have chosen a public policy to abort millions of their offspring, and to replace the population loss with millions of cheap, unskilled, illegal Mexican immigrants.

There's gotta be a better way.........

tim in vermont said...

For some reason, I got sidetracked into reading The Epic of Gilgamesh and can’t help but see Trump.

Your she-goats will bear triplets, your ewes twins,
your donkey under burden will overtake the mule,
your steed at the chariot will be bristling to gallop,
your ax at the yoke will have no match.”


I mean, come on!

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Merit based and you have to stay out of trouble for 12 years is perfectly reasonable since United States immigration policy should be based entirely on what is best for US Citizens.

dreams said...

Yeah, liberals don't think long term.

Kevin said...
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Seeing Red said...

Does that include no parking or speeding tickets?

tim in vermont said...

OMG!

'Oh my Ishullanu, let us taste of your strength,
stretch out your hand to me, and touch our vulva.


Trump is a mythic figure.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

If you think only whites have merit and that only whites can go 12 years without problems it says something about you.

I'm Full of Soup said...

This has been called comprehensive immigration reform and it legalizes almost 2 million but no one has said what we do with the other 9 million or so illegals?

I'm Full of Soup said...

By calling it a Make America White Again plan, aren't the Dems admitting current immigration policies are making America less white? If so, why is that OK?

tim in vermont said...

If so, why is that OK?

Nazi!

The whole reason that the left needs to construct these deceptive and manipulative narratives is that nobody would go along with their actual desires. Supposedly Mao said that he preferred to talk to conservatives, because at least then, he knew what they actually wanted.

Original Mike said...

”...United States immigration policy should be based entirely on what is best for US Citizens.”

I’ve been listening to lefties howl about what I consider to be a very generous proposal, and their main point is that the plan reduces immigration numbers and that’s unfair to people who want to come here . I’m really struck by this fact; they place the welfare of foreigners over their own fellow citizens. This point needs to be highlighted in the political discussions going forward. I can’t imagine it’s a winning argument.

tim in vermont said...

They believe that the stain of white America’s original sin, genocide and slavery, runs so deep that the baby must be thrown out with the bathwater.

And you know what? Slavery and genocide were pretty bad! But one has to wonder about how other great nations came into being. Did China just organically and peacefully grow out of a cluster of neighboring tribes, whose fractures just magically healed, and who all peacefully assented to rule by the emperor? Or is it possible that some force was involved?

The problem with American history is that it is recent. That doesn’t mean it can be undone.

Sebastian said...

So being brought here illegally is a form of merit?

Still, a conditional path is better than a straight cave-in, and gives Trump something to negotiate away in return for some Dem support of an end to family-based chain migration. How artful his deal will be remains to be seen.

tim in vermont said...

I’m really struck by this fact; they place the welfare of foreigners over their own fellow citizens.

Imagine what it would do for black Americans, who are the primary beneficiaries of limits on immigration of low skilled labor, if all they need to do to get a job was to want one, and show up. Talk about at “Great Society”!

Michael K said...

Trump has left a $100 bill on the sidewalk and the Dims will be afraid to pick it because their base is crazy.

This is about the election.

Multidimensional chess again.

Big Mike said...

The limousine liberals living in Potomac, MD, and Great Falls, VA, have found “undocumented” laborers who will mow their multi-acre estates and clean their 9000 sq. ft. mansions for $30, and they’re hoping to find some newer into this country who’ll do it for less. Bad news, folks. Not only will they lose the deduction for their blue locality taxes and their obscene mortgages, but now they’re maybe going to have to pay something like a decent wage to their maids and the people who cut their grass. The limousine liberals may even have to pull Muffy out of Hilton Arms or Madeira and send her to the local public high school.

One of our acquaintances used to be all for multiculturalism and lectured us on our duty as Americans to open our hearts to undocumented immigrants. Then her daughter, attending Whitman, the premier public high school in Montgomery County, MD, got her butt swatted walking to class. All of a sudden the woman was in the principal’s office demanding to know what she was going to do to control “those animals.” Hey, lady! It’s their cultural heritage, you know.

Achilles said...

The long hot summer comes. The left will be making their last 2 years of insanity look good.

I wonder what happens when that blue wave elects 60 republican senators.

Ray - SoCal said...

Trump seems to understand the Democratic party better than the Democratic Leadership!

Trump has given the Democrats two choices, neither of them good:

1. Resist Trump, declare Trump a racist, keep your SJW base happy, and look heartless and calculating to everyone else.

2. Give Trump a victory, and stop chain migration, with the result of hurting the Democrats electorally in the future. And upset your SJW base.

Democrats are going with #1. Classic no win situation. I can't believe Pelosi's latest comments, so racist. Or I guess it's not racist if you don't care about the White vote.

Paco Wové said...

Nancy Pelosi:

The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda. They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

The DREAMers will not be ransomed for a hateful agenda that betrays our sacred American values.

Drago said...

"The DREAMers will not be ransomed for a hateful agenda that betrays our sacred American values."

It is now undeniable (no more obfuscating!) that the democrat party official position is that everyone from around the world has the right to come to the US period.

No borders, no rules.

We always knew it, but it took Trump winning to expose it explicitly. It's amazing how Trump's election has exposed it all so explicitly.

LLR's and lefty allies hardest hit.

wwww said...


Prediction:

I do not think a deal on immigration can get through congress.

Maybe something very narrow - dreamers for a wall. But I doubt it. I do not see the Senate and the House coming together.

MountainMan said...

Tim in Vermont said: "I’m really struck by this fact; they place the welfare of foreigners over their own fellow citizens.

Imagine what it would do for black Americans, who are the primary beneficiaries of limits on immigration of low skilled labor, if all they need to do to get a job was to want one, and show up. Talk about at “Great Society”!

It's not just low-skilled jobs. When I was kid in the late '50's growing up on the outskirts of Atlanta, I watched a number of new houses built on my street. I was fascinated with it. I watched one summer as a beautiful new home was built across the street. White and black men - concrete finishers, masons, carpenters, roofers - worked all summer building that house.

Two years ago, my wife and I, having lived in TN for most of the past 40 years, decided to build a small home in a new development in the northern suburbs of Atlanta to use when we are there. Every two weeks or so I would go down to check on the construction. Every single worker I observed - concrete finishers, masons, roofers, painters, electricians - was Mexican. Every. Single. One. Most spoke little or no English. They did a good job, but I kept wondering - where did all the black and white American men go that used to have these jobs?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

wwww said...
I do not think a deal on immigration can get through congress.
Maybe something very narrow - dreamers for a wall.


Not sure why the Dems wouldn't build the wall, it won't have any effect, on anything. If you are going to piss money away why not help the construction industry. State governments and Japan do this all the time. WCGW

Francisco D said...

"They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again."

I wonder how many people feel that their White Guilt credit card has been maxed out for some time now. Nancy Pelosi knows that she's playing that card, but thinks that it still works.

Original Mike said...

”Not sure why the Dems wouldn't build the wall,”

Damn good question, but the answer is obvious.

Drago said...

ARM: "Not sure why the Dems wouldn't build the wall, it won't have any effect, on anything."

You should probably spend some quality time deeply reflecting on those 2 thoughts.

Michael K said...

" I do not see the Senate and the House coming together."

After the election. That's what this is about.

jimbino said...

It is far from "merit-based" to grant a visa to just anyone, along with his/her kids, for being engaged or married to an Amerikan while denying a visa to a young single childfree friend of a single childfree Amerikan, which happens all the time. What business does the gummint have in so promoting marriage and breeding?

It should be promoting foreign adoption instead, in the interests of bolstering our future work-force and relieving world misery.

Original Mike said...

”After the election. That's what this is about.”

If I were a “Dreamer”, I’d be rooting for Republicans to keep Congress. Trump just floated a proposal that would allow me to stay. If Democrats gain control, nothing will happen, because the dems don’t want finality on this. They want the issue.

glenn said...

Bay Area Guy said:
“As a matter of pure demographics, I find it kinda interesting that the Democrats have chosen a public policy to abort millions of their offspring, and to replace the population loss with millions of cheap, unskilled, illegal Mexican immigrants.”

Simple answer, you can push the illegal around. They have to mow your lawn and clean your house without talking back.

Original Mike said...

Seems to me Trump has two shots at the wall. There’s DACA and there’s the infrastructure bill. What’s $20 billion in a $1 trillion dollar bill? If necessary he could trade DACA for an end to chain migration and get the wall in the infrastructure bill.

Chuck said...

Trump is proposing amnesty. Citizenship for more than a million, and maybe several million illegals. Trump will make them voters, and Social Security recipients. Qualified, for all sorts of state and local benefits.

A trade, that is virulently opposed by most Congressional Republicans, all for the sake of trying to trade for Democratic votes for Trump’s idiotic border “wall.”

What happened, to all of the immigration hawks, decrying “amnesty”? Did Trump totally sucker them?

PackerBronco said...

Blogger Sebastian said...
So being brought here illegally is a form of merit?

Still, a conditional path is better than a straight cave-in, and gives Trump something to negotiate away in return for some Dem support of an end to family-based chain migration. How artful his deal will be remains to be seen.


The deal is not being offered to the Democrats, it's being offered to the American People. It essentially says, "look, we'll grant conditional amnesty to people already here illegal tomorrow in exchange for strict enforcement of our immigration laws with NO exceptions and NO sanctuary cities the day after tomorrow. Okay?"

That's a discussion the Democrats DON'T want the American people to have.

Francisco D said...

I knew many second and third generation Mexican-Americans while growing up in Chicago. My first job was working for such a family in their printing business.

Leftists, like Nancy Pelosi, might be surprised that a lot of these folks are conservatives who do not buy into the identity politics BS. They achieved the American Dream of upward mobility by working hard and teaching their kids the value of achievement.

Leftists do a terrible disservice to minorities when they try to convince them that White people are oppressing them. That fosters an external locus of control that makes it hard for people to do what it takes to be successful.

PackerBronco said...

Blogger Original Mike said...
If Democrats gain control, nothing will happen, because the dems don’t want finality on this. They want the issue.

1/27/18, 11:57 AM


The Dems want open borders and if they can't get that by passing new laws they'll get that by ignoring current law.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck: "What happened, to all of the immigration hawks, decrying “amnesty”? Did Trump totally sucker them"

LOL

I wonder if you realize what a fool Trump makes of you every single day.

Perhaps you are compensated sufficiently not to care.

Even worse, what if you are NOT being compensated sufficiently not to care!

Now that would be #SAD.

Francisco D said...

Chuck,

I doubt if your ego will allow you to admit that Trump is very likely a far better chess player than you are.

For a demented, near death, sex and Diet Coke addicted White Nationalist low life (according to the Left), he continues to surprise with his succeses. Count me as one of those pleasantly surprised.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The leftwing machine - they do not abide by our current immigration laws.
Why would they abide by any law?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Chuck said...
What happened, to all of the immigration hawks, decrying “amnesty”? Did Trump totally sucker them?


Yes. Exceptions being Kaus and Coulter who are now fighting a rear-guard action.

Drago said...

I love how the lefty-LLR side argues this is a huge amnesty give away.

All the while the lefty allied side argues this offer is literally white supremacy.

Perhaps Trump intuitively understood is that the dems don't really want a solution, that they want the issue, as such he offered "more" than the dems asked for in terms of pathway to citizenship (what Chuck pretends to be outraged about) knowing all along the dems would never actually go for it (which the dems have already demonstrated conclusively).

So lets summarize, shall we?

Trump has offered a plan that based on numbers alone, is MORE than the dems asked for. More than obama ever proposed!

And the dems are saying it's white supremacy and will not go for it.

Gee, I wonder who will get the better of that argument with independents?

Once again, as always and forever will be, every single bit of "instinctive" advice LLR Chuck offers up is a roadmap to defeat for republicans.

After awhile, a thinking person might, just might, question whether or not that was intentional.

LOL

Drago said...

ARM: "Yes. Exceptions being Kaus and Coulter who are now fighting a rear-guard action."

LOL

"rear-guard" actions are not required for bills that have already been labeled literally "white supremacy".

Trump doubled-down on the dems in numbers and the dems literally ran screaming away from the table.

What rear-guard action is required?

Drago said...

ARM and LLR Chuck appear to be of one mind on this.

Unexpectedly.

Original Mike said...

Blogger PackerBronco said...”The deal is not being offered to the Democrats, it's being offered to the American People. It essentially says, "look, we'll grant conditional amnesty to people already here illegal tomorrow in exchange for strict enforcement of our immigration laws with NO exceptions and NO sanctuary cities the day after tomorrow. Okay?"

That's a discussion the Democrats DON'T want the American people to have.”


I think this is spot on.

Drago said...

OM: "I think this is spot on."

Which is why LLR Chuck hates it. Just like the all the democrats.

You should feel free to draw obvious and unavoidable conclusions.

Chuck said...

What is the “win” in Trump’s proposal?

Trump would be making a gigantic concession to the Dems — a pathway to citizenship for more than a million — to get something completely useless, and amorphous in any event; the laughably stupid “Wall”.

Pandering to base Trump voters who really don’t know much about immigration beyond the dumb rumors that Trump feeds them.

Count me with Ann Coulter on immigration.

And once again count me with David Frum’s seminal tweet from last year, reminding all that Trump’s core competency is not negotiating with powerful counter parties but rather with duping gullible people.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Chuck said...
Trump’s core competency is ... duping gullible people.


To give the man credit, he is really good at it.

Chuck said...

I thought that Trump was already getting credit for his new strict-enforcement policies.

I say, take all the “sanctuary” claimants into federal court now. It would be a long and tough legal fight of course. It would require a disciplined and focused chief executive, who could never give his opponents any ammunition to claim that Republicans were racists or had improper policy motives.

Sorry, Donald. You’re fired.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Twat tag team.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...


“Democrats don't want a deal on "Dreamers;" they want an issue.”

But what a bizarre issue to stake your political success on, knowing how unpopular illegal immigration is with the electorate. Even if I answer a poll saying, sure, don’t drag little Jose out of my son’s AP World History class, that in no way means that I want more illegal immigration. It’s a weird hill to die on, but I guess that’s in keeping with their current state of incontinent hysteria.

Drago said...

"Accidental Leftist" Chuck: "It would be a long and tough legal fight of course. It would require a disciplined and focused chief executive, who could never give his opponents any ammunition to claim that Republicans were racists or had improper policy motives."

LOL

Since Reagan, HW Bush and W Bush were all called racists and the dems/left/LLR allies claimed they too had malicious policy motives (Ryan wanted to push his own grandmother over a cliff!), there is no republican alive who would not be called racist with bad motives by LLR Chuck's lefty allies.

Not a single one.

Anywhere.

Temujin said...

Bay Area Guy nailed it.

Drago said...

Cracker Emcee: "But what a bizarre issue to stake your political success on, knowing how unpopular illegal immigration is with the electorate."

It's the long fight.

The dems truly believe that they have achieved sufficient critical mass within the population here that their ascendency to permanent majority power is inevitable.

They actually thought they had already achieved that, which explains how all their masks dropped over the last 8 years when they knew they had nothing left to hide and that there were sufficient LLR allies who would helpfully provide cover.

But Trump blew all those plans up and, at the very least, has introduced an interesting "speedbump" on the way to lefty/LLR paradise.

Which is why Trump must be destroyed so the lefties and their LLR allies can finish their work.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck: "Count me with Ann Coulter on immigration."

LOL

Sure Chuck, sure.

Hilarious.

Chuck said...

Drago, there’s never been a Republican president who gave his opponents so much of a basis to allege “racism” as Trump.

Drago said...

LLR and "Bowe Bergdahl Republican" Chuck: "Drago, there’s never been a Republican president who gave his opponents so much of a basis to allege “racism” as Trump"

The lefties and their LLR allies generating racism charges against republicans and conservatives has been a cottage industry for every lefty ally of yours for over 60 years.

Every single one.

And the charges are manufactured out of whole cloth.

And you provide cover for those very same dems.

Unexpectedly.

Anonymous said...

Drago said...

ARM and LLR Chuck appear to be of one mind on this

That's because they are both half wits.

Drago said...

Livermoron: "hat's because they are both half wits."

On a personal note, I find it heartwarming that LLR Chuck has found such a strong stable of like-minded buddies including Inga, ARM, Freder, R/V, et al.

He could use some friends.

Their natural political affinity for each other simply makes it all the more delightful.

Rance Fasoldt said...

Democrats have to keep to the 800,000 fiction - it’s really two or three million, but that will scare the voters. So, Trump offers much higher number, and the Democrats are forced into a box. They either agree to Trump’s deal, or they lose the issue. If they agree, the Dreamers have to register, and the wall gets built; if not, they’re hypocrites, and they’re keeping Dreamers illegal. It’s masterly, really.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Chuck said...”Drago, there’s never been a Republican president who gave his opponents so much of a basis to allege “racism” as Trump.”

Haven’t you noticed they don’t need a basis?

Drago said...

Rance gets it.

And everyone should take a deeper look at the timeline/rules required for the Dreamers/DACA whatever's to attain citizenship.

As some wag noted elsewhere, despite what the lefties and their LLR allies say, not all these DACA/DREAMER types are Nobel-prize winning valedictorian Medal of Honor winners.

Only half the original estimated number of these dreamer types even signed up for the program. That's because many are in trouble with the law or have other infractions that will keep them from attaining citizenship. So even if Trump offers it, those "candidates" are already in violation and cannot reach the citizenship goal.

Further, in a 10 to 12 year span that it would take, how many others will find themselves no longer eligible?

Lots.

At the end of the time period, we probably are talking about well under a million total.

So Trump doubled the numbers on the dems, making them look bad, knowing it won't really be that number.

No wonder LLR Chuck is so upset. The dems look like idiots again. That always gets Chuck riled up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Chuck lash out in anger at Barron Trump again.

Drago said...

OM: "Haven’t you noticed they don’t need a basis?"

Careful.

LLR Chuck will not stand for criticism of the dems. Especially perfectly justified criticism of the dems. Chuck hates that the most.

Francisco D said...

Chuck said: "Drago, there’s never been a Republican president who gave his opponents so much of a basis to allege “racism” as Trump."

Seriously?

Being a Republican is plenty of basis for the DNC/MSM complex to allege racism.

It sounds like you don't think Trump is a racist. There is hope for you yet.

Drago said...

Francisco D: "It sounds like you don't think Trump is a racist. There is hope for you yet"

If the dems need LLR allies to help them smear ANOTHER republican President, well, LLR Chuck is their man. He's the guy the dems can always count on.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Tim in Vermont,

Did China just organically and peacefully grow out of a cluster of neighboring tribes, whose fractures just magically healed, and who all peacefully assented to rule by the emperor? Or is it possible that some force was involved?

Um, I have seen illustrations of what happened to Chinese scholars during the construction of the Great Wall. Some were buried alive. Others were buried up to the neck, and then decapitated. Not sure which was intended to be the greater punishment.

Not to mention that there are a lot of people ruled by Han Chinese who aren't, well, themselves Han Chinese.

Original Mike said...

Just one of a million examples; When you tell me the term “chain migration” is racist because it includes the word “chain”, I stop listening to your charges of racism.

Anonymous said...

Drago,
Those folk became scroll-over-country for me long ago. I only read them when quoted by others.
I think Inga is an old, withered, alcoholic woman; Chuck is an alcoholic who has ego issues and personality disorder; Ritmo is someone who, as Ritmo, offered up some intelligent commentary...but I haven't seen any of that for 6 years. I think late-stage syphillis or some brain-eating amoeba is what's bringing him down.#Sad
Freder just drops in, says something stupid that he thinks is smart, and then just disappears. Did I miss anyone?

Drago said...

OM: "Just one of a million examples; When you tell me the term “chain migration” is racist because it includes the word “chain”, I stop listening to your charges of racism"

Uh oh.

Now you are attacking one of LLR Chuck's favorite "Defend-ees", Durbin. Durbin also called US troops Nazi's.

Nice group of allies LLR Chuck has, eh?

Etienne said...

The error with this logic, is that Trump will be dead of old age in four years, but the dreamers will be raping and robbing for at least another 60 years.

...or not.

Lewis Wetzel said...

The NY Times tries to make the case that Trump is a racist:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/trump-racist.html
It is pretty thin stuff, even given the editorialist's wacky definition of what makes a person a racist:
"But the definition of a racist — the textbook definition, as Paul Ryan might say — is someone who treats some people better than others because of their race."
How in the world could you prove that? Absent a confession? This definition makes every college admissions person a racist, BTW.

Francisco D said...

Livermoron: "Did I miss anyone?"

You did quite a job of stirring up the hornet's nest.

I did not see mention of ARM.

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that a lot of Trump’s base can be brought around on his Dreamer Fix. The DACA Qualifications require no felonies, no more than two misdemeanors (which typically include a lot of DUIs), plus a high school diploma,and no welfare. Which means to me, that in another decade we would be giving citizenship to a bunch of people who had worked hard and kept their noses clean for a decade or maybe even two. Objectively, maybe the best of the illegals.

I think that the Democrats problem is that they have long fudged things a lot, when it comes to illegal immigrants. They talk “Dreamers”, but are most interested in those who wouldn’t qualify, because they don’t have a high school diploma, are on welfare, etc. they are the logical Dem voters of the future. They really want amnesty for all illegals, because they desperately need the votes. It is slight of hand, pure and simple. They talk about Dreamers, but draft legislation that would give the vote to > 10 million illegals. According to them, you would have to be a racist, with a stone heart, to not give them what they want.

What Trump has done is to call their bluff. He has taken the heart tug away from the Democrats by carefully defining what a “Dreamer” is. And has cut off their ability to bring in their extended families. This is, of course, what the Democrats say they want - to protect those Dreamers who came here as young children, became valedictorians of their high school classes, and risk deportation to countries they don’t remember. How sad. So, Trump offers the Democrats exactly what they say that they want. But, of course, the Dreamers were never their real goal, just a convenient way to get amnesty for tens of millions of illegals. Caught between what they say that they want, and what they really want, the Democrats essentially are forced to blow up the negotiations (As Lil Dick Turbin did with the shithole “leak). So, they are going to be forced to vote against what they say they most want.

Original Mike said...

” So, they are going to be forced to vote against what they say they most want.”

If the republicans were smart, they’d quickly pass Trump’s proposal and send it over to the Senate.

traditionalguy said...

It's that Secret Norwegian Society again. Trump is their Grand Cyclops, and Melania is a Slav distraction with a figure that Norwegians would kill for. A good example of a secret Norwegian
woman is the singer, Faith Hill, She is from the Mississippi Lodge of the Norge, as is Bret Farve.

Anonymous said...

No intent to stir. I've been here since 2004 IIRC and used to frequently comment. I don't so much anymore. The smart leftists used to come here and offer up some decent points, but they lost too many arguments and stopped showing up. We get left with the bunch we have now. Not an honest intellect among them. It became boring. Not intellectually stimulating.
ARM?? I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire...take for example his little trick yesterday of posting selected cuts from the jubilant economic report just to falsely communicate that the economy was tanking. What type of duplicitous asshole does that as a form of political discourse? Why ARM, of course.

I just call them the way I see them - Ray Charles

Chuck said...

You miserable lying troll, Drago. I took Durbin’s side on exactly one thing; that Trump really did say, “shithole countries.” And anything else you claim about me is a lie. You hateful little troll.

tcrosse said...

If the Democrats reject Trump's proposal, it's unlikely the next one will be more generous.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

I am always impressed by how many sad angry men there are on the internet. It's the internet moron, lighten up.

And, for the record, I did not suggest that the economy was tanking. I pointed out that it was going along much as it has for the last nine years. No inflexion, some things a bit worse, some a bit better.

Anonymous said...

Cryin' Chuck Schumer and the rest of the Democrats turned down my deal giving them MORE than they asked for. In return for a secure American border.
They sad no.
Why? Who do they work for? Certainly not for Americans! So sad. #MAGA

MeatPopscicle1234 said...

According to this guy, Trump's offer is a poison pill that essentially caves on several key issues, stating that the "amnesty and chain migration components are fatally flawed" and that under this offer, legal immigration would not actually be reduced for approx. 17 years...

Not sure if he's correct or not, but it bears a read...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/455798/trump-immigration-preemptive-surrender

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

With respect to the economy, throughout Obama's term the US outperformed the EU, our most directly comparable rival. Only in the last year has the US fallen behind the EU. Not exactly making America great again.

Anonymous said...

And the stuff you hid contradicted that very point you were trying to scam on us. It pointed out that things economically are at record levels. You tried to hide those facts.

See what I mean...not an honest intellect among them.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

This is a lie. I quoted what I viewed as the key numbers the GDP and the rise in the current account deficit, both of which Trump vowed to improve and has failed to have much impact.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck: "You miserable lying troll, Drago. I took Durbin’s side on exactly one thing; that Trump really did say, “shithole countries.” And anything else you claim about me is a lie. You hateful little troll."

You wanna know what's "miserable" and "hateful"? Using rumors about a child to get at your political opponent.

It doesn't get any more "miserable" than that.

But I guess it was necessary for to chime in confirm what ARM posted about the internet being a hateful place.

Once again, when a lefty needs help demonstrating something, you are Johnny On The Spot!

Anonymous said...

Original Mike: I’m really struck by this fact; they place the welfare of foreigners over their own fellow citizens. This point needs to be highlighted in the political discussions going forward. I can’t imagine it’s a winning argument.

I can't either, but the fact is that most Americans haven't been aware of just how hostile to them and their interests these non-stop mass immigration pushers are and always have been. You have to have had an interest in the issue, and come upon non-mainstream sites in a search for info. The press has always happily published the pushers' saccharine propaganda, and until recently most Americans have bought it.

But lately, geez, the pushers don't seem to have noticed that the mike is on (and that the MSM no longer controls propogation of info). None of 'em have yet come out screaming "we hate 'legacy' Americans with a burning hatred (especially you white ones!) and we want to replace you all, you filthy Nazis!", but day-yum, they've been coming pretty close.

We need to encourage them. Keep talking, Dems and LLRs! Please, please, please! Louder! We can't hear you! Tell us how you really feel! Totally a winning electoral stategy! Don't stop!

Anonymous said...

I have no intention to deal with you and your delusions ARM.

You are as I have described you. In my charitable fashion.

Drago said...

ARM: "Only in the last year has the US fallen behind the EU. Not exactly making America great again."

Oh, wait.

Is today a "Trump owns the economy" day?

That's so strange because for the last several weeks all the dem talking heads on TV (whom Chuck adores presumably) have been crowing that our performance to date is all due to obama.

LOL

There have been some great stories floating around about employees all over the country who bought into ARM/Leftylies about how the tax cuts were going to hurt the employee, only find out that the situation is actually the opposite.

You could not ask for a more direct "cause and effect" rapid exposure of a widespread lefty/dem lie than that!

And LLR Chuck weeps.

Drago said...

ARM: "I pointed out that it was going along much as it has for the last nine years."

Yep.

It is simply a coincidence that companies are moving production back to the US and bonues/employment opportunities/wages are all increasing in addition to the massive 401k gains.

It's all just a coincidence that it coincides with the Trump admin reduction of regulations, clear signals the more regulation reductions are on the way, the massive tax decreases, etc.

Just a simply coincidence. Nothing to it really.

I strongly, passionately suggest the dems add that to their already well established 2018 campaign slogans to create a new "Impeachment! Open Borders! Republicans are White Supremacists! You Really Aren't Any Better Off Economically" campaign theme.

LLR Chuck will probably help you print up some flyers.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Livermoron said...
You are as I have described you


You are a sad loser unable to deal with reality and now an exposed liar.

Anonymous said...

Drago: I love how the lefty-LLR side argues this is a huge amnesty give away.

All the while the lefty allied side argues this offer is literally white supremacy.


You know how toddlers go through a developmental stage where, e.g., if they cover their eyes and can't see you, they think you can't see them? Or when you catch them with something they shouldn't have, if they hide it behind their backs then you can't know they still have it?

Lefties are stuck in that stage.

Original Mike said...

ARM said...”I pointed out that [the economy] was going along much as it has for the last nine years.”

Tell it to the companies who, all of a sudden, can not beg, borrow, or steal tractor-trailer space.

Drago said...

I'm surprised ARM and the dems have started calling the bonuses "obama bonuses" and "obama wage increases", even thought the lefties told us that the Tax plan was, naturally, literally MORE white supremacy AND a tax on the Middle Class.

We are just minutes away from a Big Blue Wave of more cognitive dissonance based assertions by our lefty/LLR betters.

Personally, I enjoy them. This being the internet and all and my "lightening up"!

Drago said...

OM: "Tell it to the companies who, all of a sudden, can not beg, borrow, or steal tractor-trailer space."

Shhhhh!

The lefties don't need to hear that. Nor should we tell them to check the "inbound/outbound" rates for U-Haul's going into/out of Blue States from Red States.

There's only so much the lefties and their LLR allies can handle.

Drago said...

ARM, it might be better if you did some "back door" coordination with LLR Chuck in order to get your combined messaging down pat.

That way, you could time LLR Chuck's inevitable and immediate and passionate agreement with the left to appear immediately after whatever nonsense you happen to be posting at that minute.

I'm just looking for Rhetorical Force Multipliers for you. You can't always depend on the Soros funded posters after all.

Anonymous said...

Joshua Barker: According to this guy, Trump's offer is a poison pill that essentially caves on several key issues, stating that the "amnesty and chain migration components are fatally flawed" and that under this offer, legal immigration would not actually be reduced for approx. 17 years...

Not sure if he's correct or not, but it bears a read...


Link

Pretty good write-up of problems with offer as it now stands.

Anonymous said...

Livermoron: Those folk became scroll-over-country for me long ago.

"Scroll-over-country" is great.

Etienne said...

When my parents were naturalized, they had to take an English only test.

Clue.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Obama proposed in 2012 and again in 2013, to lower the corporate tax rate including a tax rate for United States manufacturers of 25 percent. He made the proposal again in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Each time, his tax plan was rejected by Republicans.

This is how it was. In fact I can remember writing here that the only positive thing I expected out of the Trump presidency was a decrease in the corporate tax rate, because Republicans had blocked it for the last six years and could now hardly continue to do so. You don't get any credit for failing to do the right thing by the country for six years and then suddenly changing course because of political expediency.

buwaya said...

The US fell badly behind the best parts of the EU in the most important metric (or a more important metric), which is total employment rate, back in 2009, and has not caught up.
I posted my analysis here early last year.

US GDP growth stats have been hurt by trade-deficit effects since the 1970s; this has been an ongoing problem since then. Oddly enough the trade deficit usually improves during recessions and worsens during expansions, as US demand falls and rises again. The best recent example of this is 2009-2010, when the deficit fell tremendously and then increased substantially (making up about half the diff between 2008-2009) in 2010.

An increasing trade deficit generally seems to track consumer spending.

Anonymous said...

Chuck: t would require a disciplined and focused chief executive, who could never give his opponents any ammunition to claim that Republicans were racists or had improper policy motives.

Every time I say, "Chuck, that is the funniest thing you've ever written here", Chuck comes along not long after in a later thread and tops himself.

And here he is, doing it again. Kudos, Chuckster.

cubanbob said...

Chuck said...
You miserable lying troll, Drago. I took Durbin’s side on exactly one thing; that Trump really did say, “shithole countries.”

It helps to travel. You just might find out that some countries really are shitholes.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Original Mike said...
Tell it to the companies who, all of a sudden, can not beg, borrow, or steal tractor-trailer space.


In order to transport all the illegal immigrants into the country now that levels are back to 2016 levels?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

buwaya said...
The US fell badly behind the best parts of the EU


You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the EU to include in an analysis, it's an economic bloc. Including or excluding Alabama from the US stats is going to have an effect as well.

The big blue states are doing better than the country as a whole. You don't see me trying to draw any conclusions from that.

cubanbob said...

Bruce Hayden said...
I think that a lot of Trump’s base can be brought around on his Dreamer Fix. The DACA Qualifications require no felonies, no more than two misdemeanors (which typically include a lot of DUIs), plus a high school diploma,and no welfare. Which means to me, that in another decade we would be giving citizenship to a bunch of people who had worked hard and kept their noses clean for a decade or maybe even two. Objectively, maybe the best of the illegals. "

Heck, that should be a standard for Americans to retain their citizenship. Or at least voting rights.

buwaya said...

AFAIK, due to improved US demand for labor, illegal border crossings are back up again to "normal", after they crashed in early 2017. That is an economic metric too.

And everyone has been yelling prematurely about the results of economic policy. Wait.

Big Mike said...

I took Durbin’s side on exactly one thing; that Trump really did say, “shithole countries.”

@Chuck, three things. First, IIRC (and I think I do) in that same thread you admitted that Durbin is a liar, yet you took, and continue to support, Durbin over Cotton and Perdue. So you accept the word of one Democrat senator, whom you admit is a liar, over two Republican senators. Strange position for a lifelong Republican to take.

Secondly, America has reached a sad pass when one cannot refer to shithole countries as shitholes without people figuratively clutching their pearls and casting about for a fainting couch. Especially so when those same pearl-clutchers did not so much as blanch when Kirsten Gillibrand and Joe Biden lobbing F-bombs in public.

And third, try to grow a pair. You whine too much to be a Republican in good standing.

buwaya said...

Yes I do get to pick. The US is a more advanced economy overall than France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal.
All of these have always had much lower labor participation rates than their northern neighbors, and a social system that permits not only a black market for labor (not picked up by official statistics) but extreme rates of youth unemployment. Germany, the UK, the Netherlands, etc. have always been more comparable to US historical performance.

The US in 2009 went from Northern-European levels to more than halfway to Southern European levels, which I pointed out. And it has not recovered even half that loss yet.

Anonymous said...

Let us allow others to see who the liar is. Here is what ARM posted yesterday in another thread:

Blogger AReasonableMan said...

Modest economic results last quarter:

The U.S. expanded at a 2.6% annual pace in fourth quarter. Imports jumped 13.9%, doubling the 6.9% rise in exports.

Here is what the whole report said:
“The U.S. expanded at a 2.6% annual pace in fourth quarter, extending one of the best stretches of growth during the current eight-and-a-half-year-old upturn. GDP fell short of MarketWatch's 3% forecast, however, owing to lower inventory production and a bigger trade deficit. Consumer spending, the main engine of the economy, rose a strong 3.8%, the biggest increase in almost two years. Investment in new housing increased 11.6%, business spending on equipment surged 11.4% and outlays on structures edged up 1.4%, according to Commerce Department data. Yet the value of inventories declined by $29.3 billion. Trade was an even bigger drag on GDP. Imports jumped 13.9%, doubling the 6.9% rise in exports.”

Modest? Obama would've been crowing about this.
You fuckstick.
Regards

Drago said...

ARM reminds me of a funny political cartoon from the 1984 campaign when the dems went all in on the Gee, Things Really Are Terrible tactic.

The cartoon showed lots of GOP elephants sunning themselves on a beautiful beach with lots of voters enjoying the day with a single democrat donkey dejectedly trudging along the beach with a raincoat, rain hat and umbrella.

ARM, good luck with your Impeachment/ThisIsTheObamaEconomy/WhiteSupremacy campaign.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Did I miss anyone?”

Yes, yourself who is a another strange commenter who seems far more interested in the lefties who comment here than the subject matter presented in the blogpost. There are a few like you, one odder than the other.

“You are a sad loser unable to deal with reality and now an exposed liar.”

Yes, this is correct when describing the Liver moron and others here. Some aren’t losers, but seem to be full fledged Trump cultists. No amount of TrumpTruth will move them away from their delusions.

Drago said...

Livermoron: "Modest? Obama would've been crowing about this."

It would have been on the cover of every magazine and the lead story of every network For-evah! Obama with a halo and pictures of US citizens with cash flowing out of their pockets and celebrating.

And those would have been the "objective" "journalists".....LOL

They would have given obama a Nobel Prize for Economics, which is understandable, since obama gets a bit testy if you don't give him an undeserved award every 15 minutes or so.

Drago said...

I fully expect a number of lefty publications to run with covers of a bunch of Bob Cratchit's homes with only crumbs on the table to back up Pelosi's and Schumer's hilarious crumb assertions.

And it was only a few years ago that obama and the lefties were crowing about how wonderful it would be when American families were going to get $40 more a month (it never happened, of course!). The lefties even set up a website with obama asking folks to contribute "what $40 a month means to them"!

LOL

In defense of our lefties here, I don't blame them for not "remembering" that. After all, history began anew just about 8 hours ago or so.

buwaya said...

There are shitholes and there are shitholes.
The conditions of life in third world countries varies greatly, and affect everyone, including the privileged.

The expat community (of which we are ancient members) has an informal scale of shitholiness. Malaysia is better than the Philippines which is better than Bangladesh which, believe it or not, is better than most of Africa.

Bangladesh is still considered a hardship post. If you need and can afford high quality medical care, you have to go pretty far, because India is not much better in truth.

Haiti is a shithole by anyones standard. The discrepancy between it and all of its close neighbors is extreme. It is a unique case. It is however easy to leave. If you need to rush someone to a hospital there are good places nearby.

Anonymous said...

Drago, I don't find ARM amusing. He is a tragedy.

He just refuses the help. He and Chuck are the poster children for hallucinations as expounded upon by my former neighbor Scott Adams.
I don't care that they don't believe what I believe. It's just that they have to resort to just plain distortions, half-truths, and lies to defend their life view. I have nothing to gain from interaction with them and hope that they are not negatively impacting people around them.
So very sad.

Drago said...

Inga: "Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers."

LOL

Trump just offered the dems DOUBLE the number they wanted, and the dems labeled it White Supremacy!

You know, I for one don't believe Trump is a genius. He is clever and intuitive and a master at reading situations, and that's all you need when the dems are this incompetent.

Hillary and the dems and FBI and DOJ literally rigged a primary for Hillary and then rigged a general election and Hillary still lost!!

That is where we are right now.

The only thing remaining for the lefties to do is get about 30 million more illegals into the country and into the voting booths and do what the lefties are doing in their Beloved Socialist Paradise of Venezuela: Literally outlow the opposition parties!

I wonder if Sean Penn and Danny Glover and the rest of the usual suspects will be heading down there to congratulata Maduro?

Drago said...

buwaya: "There are shitholes and there are shitholes."

Indeed.

BTW, if you order a bottled drink in Egypt and the bottle comes out to you already opened, Do Not Drink It.

Trust me, they know you are an American and you can't take that chance.

Anonymous said...

Call me all the names you want Inga. I hope you don't knock over the bottle of vodka.

As I proved, the liar here isn't me.

Drago said...

I wonder if Inga agrees with ARM that this is really obama's economy?

But then again, that presents a problem, doesn't it? Because the dems are already on record as saying Trump has destroyed the country.

Now, just because Inga and ARM and the lefties are happy to simultaneously argue 15 contradictory things at one time, it's doubtful the independents will be swayed by such nonsense.

What a conundrum!

Gahrie said...

"Drago, there’s never been a Republican president who gave his opponents so much of a basis to allege “racism” as Trump."

Perhaps because he realized that whatever he said or did, the Left and the MSM were going to call him a fascist and a racist like they have every other prominent Republican for the last 75 years.

Perhaps, unlike the GOP Establishment he simply doesn't give a shit about what the Left and the MSM think and doesn't try to play their game.

That's really why you guys in the establishment hate Trump so much...every day he proves he has bigger balls than you do.

Drago said...

Gahrie: "That's really why you guys in the establishment hate Trump so much...every day he proves he has bigger balls than you do."

Now now.

LLR Chuck is very much a ballsy guy. Why, by his own admission, once he almost joined the military, but then didn't after careful consideration.

Anyone that courageous has no problem being ballsy.

Gahrie said...

If the current good economy is the result of Obama's actions and has nothing to do with Trump...why was Krugman predicting an economic crash that we would never recover from the night Trump was elected president and months before Trump took office?

pacwest said...

The twelve year clean nose part sounds a bit extreme to me, but Althouse is right. It is a sort of merit system. Achieved with sticks rather than carrots. It also sets a nice precedent to work from when we have to deal with the other 10M here illegally.

We can't remove that many an any short amount of time, so it also fits well with an extended timeline.

In the meantime President Trump gets to look compassionate, and doing something about broken immigration at the same time. 0% chance the Dems are going to agree to anything Trump proposes, and they are unable to make a coherent argument for their position. In the end Trump will be able to defend the position that the only people the Dems are trying to keep in the country are the criminals.

Drago said...

Gahrie: "why was Krugman predicting an economic crash that we would never recover from the night Trump was elected president and months before Trump took office?"

Dude!

Do you know how many times history has begun anew since then?!

You can't hold democrats accountable for the nearly infinite number of predictions they get wrong.

Holding democrats and their LLR allies accountable for all their wrong predictions is....simply......(wait for it).....literally......White Supremacy.

Drago said...

BTW, why is it that the font is black and is swallowed up by the massive white background on this blog?

Literally. White. Supremacy.

Drago said...

This winter, when traveling in snow and ice covered mountains, make sure you bring along your chai...er...uh....metal thingies that wrap around your tires in order to provide greater traction and control.

Whew!

Dodged that bullet....(oops, is "bullet" racist too now?!!....)

buwaya said...

Also, note, that the US suffers from extraordinary political risk. That has been hanging over the economy also, since 2016. The atmosphere of political instability has reduced the effect of genuine improvement in the business climate.

If someone wanted a concrete proposal for a cheaply-bought 1-2% increase in US GDP growth, have some pro-business conservatives buy CNN (the US de-facto BBC) and end its anti-Trump editorial line. Moreso the NYT. These things do massive economic collateral damage.

Drago said...

BTW, if Merit based immigration is literally white supremacy, why do so many liberal/lefty governments have them?

Oh, right.

They are not as anxious to completely replace their voting population with third world uneducated immigrants.

Inga...Allie Oop said...


Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers. He knows his base will leave him. Democrats should not give Dreamers false hope for any solutions under this president.
——————————————
Livermoron, I don’t drink to excess, nor have I ever drank more 1 alchololic drink at a time and mostly turn down alcohol, as don’t particulatily like it. A craft beer in summer is nice with a brat, or a Marguerita with a Mexican meal. You seem to think you know how the lefties here conduct their personal lives, you don’t. You are one of a few oddballs who are overly invested in the comments and lives of the lefties who comment here. You are the one guy I always thought was a drunk, funny that you accuse others.

Gahrie said...

It would require a disciplined and focused chief executive, who could never give his opponents any ammunition to claim that Republicans were racists or had improper policy motives.

And just who would this mythical being be?

They fucking called Romney a racist for Christ's sake. They called both of you're beloved Bushes racist and for damned sure would have called Jeb a racist.

Drago said...

buwaya: "If someone wanted a concrete proposal for a cheaply-bought 1-2% increase in US GDP growth, have some pro-business conservatives buy CNN (the US de-facto BBC) and end its anti-Trump editorial line. Moreso the NYT. These things do massive economic collateral damage."

The lefties are happy with economic rubble and despair, just as long as they get to rule over the carcass.

Gahrie said...

That should be "your". You think I'd learn to proofread....

Drago said...

Gahrie: "They fucking called Romney a racist for Christ's sake. They called both of you're beloved Bushes racist and for damned sure would have called Jeb a racist"

You might recall that LLR Chuck's beloved lefty allies labeled HW and W Bush members of the Bush Family Evil Empire (BFEE) and literally asserted the Bush family had financed the rise of Hitler in Germany.

Those are the lefties LLR Chuck desperately wants to empower and hold sway over "acceptable" republican beliefs.

You know, like all actual "conservatives" want........(wink wink)

pacwest said...

"And everyone has been yelling prematurely about the results of economic policy. Wait."

I wonder if there isn't a real possibility of the economy overheating. Any one of deregulation, corporate tax rates, or personal tax cuts would have been enough imo, but the three together could be dangerous. Munchin hasn't offered me a job though, so ymmv.

buwaya said...

pacwest,

True. The danger is inflation. Especially with the deficit.
Tax collections should increase greatly though, the usual case when you have asset values increasing like this. 1999 again.

Anonymous said...

OT Buwaya: Always enjoy your posts. Factual. Well reasoned.
I am also interested in your insights about the Philippines. I have a brother who spent a tour their as vice-consul and he still lives part of the year in his home in Fort Bonifacio. If you knew anyone from the US embassy, you would know him.

Drago said...

buwaya: "True. The danger is inflation. Especially with the deficit."

Well, we are nowhere near Volcker territory here and the incremental rate hikes implemented since (gee, oddly enough) obama left office demonstrates that we are alright for now.

Always the chance for another housing bubble to burst. In fact, Cavuto had on one of the fellows who predicted the last housing bubble burst (I tuned in late so I don't know if it was Michael Burry or not) and this fellow opined that the strength of the overall market should be sufficient to minimize damage due to a housing bubble burst.

He spent some time chatting about the over-building given the millenials weak demands for single-family homes, opting instead for condo's in urban areas.

One thing is for sure, some sort of correction is on the way as it always is.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Democrats should not give Dreamers false hope for any solutions under this president.”

Your surrender is accepted.

Anonymous said...

Inga: My thinking that you are an alcoholic was my way of being generous: I was hoping to ascribe your noxious scribbling to some weakness of character and not to a real lack of intelligence, honesty and lucid thinking.

Thanks for setting me straight on that...

Not an alcoholic. I purposely don't drink a couple days of the week because I hate the thought of becoming an alcoholic. Ironic it is that I make wine, is it not?

Have you had a check-up lately?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Your surrender is accepted.”

Hardly a surrender, more like an appeal to be patient. The US has 35% of the electorate who live in a delusional state since the election of Trump and in all actuality, probably long before that. It doesn’t help anyone or the US to indulge in fantasy. Democrats/ lefties, progressives need to keep their heads out of the clouds and get down to work filling seats in the House and Senate in 2018. That is the number one priority.

Drago said...

Inga: "“Democrats should not give Dreamers false hope for any solutions under this president."

One problem with this from a democrat/lefty/LLR point of view.

obama's unconstitutional DACA maneuver is set to run out in March. So Trump wins by doing nothing. He doesn't have to move.

A simple fact of which any good negotiator would be keenly aware.

Naturally, the lefties/LLR's will go judge-shopping (as they already have) to find a judge who is willing to rule that it is literally Unconstitutional for Trump to abide by the Constitution in getting rid of Obama's Unconstitutional action.

Unexpectedly.

buwaya said...

Hi L,

We knew a number of people at the embassy, up through when Armacost was the ambassador. But I have lost touch. My sisters are totally in the know. I have been in America too long.

buwaya said...

Was in Fort Bonifacio several times last year, that place is totally built-up and is quite impressive - shopping and dining and condos. First-world in the third-world, and its amenities put most similar mid-upper market places in the US at a disadvantage. Its even got a better bookstore, by far, than any in SF or Berkeley.

The only lack is architecture. Its all new. No antique charm.

Drago said...

Inga: "The US has 35% of the electorate who live in a delusional state ..."

LOL

I don't think Inga dares to look at the relative numbers on immigration policy options.

Why do you think Schumer and gang caved and folded like cheap suits? And why have ALL the dem arguments gone to "White Supremacy!!!eleventy!11!"?

Because that's all you have.

Here are some numbers for you:

snip: "he public may see the issue differently, according to the Harvard-Harris poll of American adults, taken Jan. 17-19.

The survey asked respondents what level of overall legal immigration they would like to see.

A stunning 35 percent said the level should be fewer than 250,000 a year, while another 19 percent said it should be 250,000 to 500,000. Combined, they make up a majority looking for a cut of at least 50 percent over current annual levels. Another 18 percent said they want to see 500,000 to 1 million. Just 19 percent of respondents said they want an increase over 1 million.

Mr. Trump hasn’t said recently what legal immigration number he wants to see, but he has been vocal on changing the way the U.S. picks immigrants. He said skills and ability to assimilate in the U.S. should be weighted over extended family ties.

The poll says voters agree by a 79 percent to 21 percent margin."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/22/shock-poll-us-wants-massive-cuts-legal-immigration/

Ouch. Looks like Inga and her dead-enders are even in a minority of the minority of voters!!

But that's okay Inga. Not to worry. You have your delusions to keep you warm. If just 10% of what you said was correct, the dems would have already won this battle.

They didn't.

Try and see if you can figure out why....

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Livermoron, if you aren’t a drunk, you are a sociopath. The bile you present here as commentary gives you away. You don’t impress me as being particularly intelligent either. That might be one of your delusions, far be it from me to take away what gives you self worth.

ARM is correct, you are a loser who doesn’t realize what you and your ilk have done to this country.

Drago said...

Inga: "Livermoron, if you aren’t a drunk, you are a sociopath."

Nonsense!

This is the United States of America! I demand MORE options!

Anonymous said...

Thanks Buwaya! I've always wondered if you may know him. He hung around with Gaby Concepcion, Imelda M., Aquinos. etc. I help him out a little with some security whitepapers re: Philippine Sea, for the PI government.
Sorry to take up anyone's time with this little conceit.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“This is the United States of America! I demand MORE options!”

Well, I didn’t want to go with psychopath as that would be harsh.

Anonymous said...

Ah Inga, why did you purposely choose a name that is an anagram for a hateful racial epithet?
You are fooling no one.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Every once in a while, I feel it is necessary to remind Lefties that "Dreamers" are not American citizens and cannot vote.
People who are Americans and can vote wonder why the f*ck the Democrats are making the goals of "Dreamers" a priority.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Ah Inga, why did you purposely choose a name that is an anagram for a hateful racial epithet?
You are fooling no one.”

LOL! OK, I guess I’ll have to go with psychopath after all. Inga is not my chosen name. It’s the name my parents chose for me.

“The name Inga is a Scandinavian baby name. In Scandinavian the meaning of the name Inga is: Ing's protection (Ing was the Norse god of peace and fertility). Hero's daughter. A feminine diminutive of Ingeborg.”

Anonymous said...

And, if I am such a liar, why did ARM bail when I quoted him to prove my point?

Kevin said...

Obama proposed in 2012 and again in 2013, to lower the corporate tax rate including a tax rate for United States manufacturers of 25 percent. He made the proposal again in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Each time, his tax plan was rejected by Republicans.

Really? That was it? A straight-up tax cut for corporations with nothing else attached that the R's blocked year after year?

Please.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to Modern Times, Inga.

buwaya said...

My sisters probably know G. Concepcion, etc. They are well connected with PI showbiz (an area that does not interest me very much). They certainly know the Aquinos, at least by aquaintance. Imelda M. and that lot is persona non grata in their circles though.

We did do a road trip through Marcos country (Vigan, Laoag, to Aparri), my first time in those parts. The people are loyalists and I think for good reason. Surprisingly well run and prosperous.

Drago said...

Inga: "Well, I didn’t want to go with psychopath as that would be harsh."

Nonsense! I want a full range of options.

This is a corollary to my "I'm an American, I DEMAND to pay full price damnit!" when overseas.

Drago said...

Livermoron: "And, if I am such a liar, why did ARM bail when I quoted him to prove my point?"

Easy.

White supremacy.

Every time.

Anonymous said...

That's what I was going for, Drago.

pacwest said...

"True. The danger is inflation. Especially with the deficit."

Federal funds rate at present is 1.5%. This gives the feds plenty of room to control ordinary inflation. 4 to 6% retail interest rates are the historical norm. Yes, inflation would compound the deficit problems, but like Drago said, we are a long ways from what Volker had to deal with.

My worries lie more along the lines of a series of short intense 'bubbles' (call it extreme volatility+). Enough of them to drag any economy under. An intensifying effect of a hot economy. Per Drago, what goes up must come down. And while it doesn't apply at present, note that the Fed shot it's wad on QE last time. That's not a usable tool next time. They would have to increase money supply x100 to have any affect.

And back to immigration. Getting that right (needed amount of workers in an expanding economy) is a part of the economic puzzle that needs solved upfront.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“Your surrender is accepted.”

Hardly a surrender, more like an appeal to be patient. The US has 35% of the electorate who live in a delusional state since the election of Trump and in all actuality, probably long before that. It doesn’t help anyone or the US to indulge in fantasy. Democrats/ lefties, progressives need to keep their heads out of the clouds and get down to work filling seats in the House and Senate in 2018. That is the number one priority.

I can't wait to see the results of the Democrat's "Illegals First!" campaign in 2018.

I kinda want to start a temporary consulting agency for the 2018 election to help all the plutocrats spend record amounts of money in 2018 getting that message out.

I think we need to get "Crumbs" Pelosi's face up on every billboard.

We should trumpet the success of the #SchumerShutdown!

And don't forget the Mueller, Comey, and Clinton indictments. One of those should hit about November 1st.

Yell RACIST! a couple more times too. That'll do it.

stever said...

When it comes to having an election issue without the need to actually really wanting to serve the "affected" people, you just need a complicit media (check), a large number of uninformed voters (check) and well trained stooges to promote it (e.g. Pelosi)

Anonymous said...

pacwest: I share those same and similar concerns. Quantative easing (inflation), deficits, 8-fucking-years with no budget, unstimulating stimuli, unprecedented growth of the debt, and a lazy president who believed the future is limited to 2% growth and wasn't going to do a damn thing about it combined to make any bubble pops unsurviveable events, IMO.
Now that the economy is finally, finally getting out of first gear for the first time in a decade we should, perhaps, worry about overheating the engine. But right now I feel the torque taking hold, I am being pressed back in my seat by the acceleration, and it is great to see the scenery passing by again. I also feel that there is an experienced driver at the wheel and not some 16yo who is spending all his time taking selfies and checking his phone.
And I do so want to hear the engine roar.

Original Mike said...

Inga: "Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers."

He just offered to do more than that. He offered them citizenship.

Achilles said...

Original Mike said...
Inga: "Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers."

He just offered to do just that.

RACIST HATER BIGOT MISOGYNIST NAZI!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but was that an 'offer-offer'?

And Achilles, are you mansplaining?

Achilles said...

Original Mike said...
Inga: "Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers."

He just offered to do more than that. He offered them citizenship.

This cannot be allowed. You are in the way of Democrats accumulating power.

I heard you had some hookers pee on a bed. Or something.

We are going to have to have the FBI/NSA spy on you for a bit.

Because "Collusion." Collusion isn't even a crime but you are saying RACIST stuff. So we need to see if we can find some crimes.

This is ok. Because Democrats.

Inga/ARM/leftists can't figure out how anyone would have a problem with this.

Achilles said...

Livermoron said...
Yeah, but was that an 'offer-offer'?

And Achilles, are you mansplaining?

I would normally call it explanation by hyperbole/humor.

Except it is literally what happens. The left is just awful.

So it isn't funny.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga: "Trump won’t strike any deals giving DACA protections to Dreamers."

“He just offered to do more than that. He offered them citizenship.”

His offers aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. He’s untrustworthy and won’t follow through when his base starts hitting him hard for going back on his campaign promises. Breitbart is already calling him “Amnesty Don”. Democrats should not make deals with him. Also, the news reports and videos of immigrants being deported will be blazing across written and televised media. Trump didn’t need to end DACA, he did it because he wants 700,000 DACA recipients to be deported to appease his base. He may care for these people, but any desire he has to help them will dissapear when his base starts screaming. He has no real idea of how the mass deportations will play, especially right before the election.

Original Mike said...

LOL.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“There’s nothing Trump can do that won’t be forgiven. Except change his immigration policies.”

Ann Coulter

Anonymous said...

All the demodrats had to do, Inga, was say "OK" and PDT would have been in a corner. He did, indeed, offer more than they were asking.

PDT would have taken mucho heat from the right, true. But he would have pinned down taking both enfilading and defilading fire... Yet the dems said no.

And, Dummy, PDT hasn't 'ended' DACA. It automatically expires in March.

Your analysis is bullshit.

Original Mike said...

Last I looked, Ann Coulter wasn’t President.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

There are enough of Trump’s base that won’t tolerate amnesty and they will raise holy hell if Trump goes down that path.

“Fox News host Laura Ingraham said on her show Friday that no White House official would appear on “The Ingraham Angle” to defend President Trump’s recently-unveiled immigration plan.

“It’s not the plan I would want,” Ingraham told her viewers, opposing the proposal. “We invited any White House official on to the show tonight. We were told we were going to have one, and then they pulled him at the last minute.”

“I want to hear from the White House on this,” she continued. “We hope to have someone on Monday.”

Drago said...

"Ann Coulter"

Lol

Yeah, that was supposed to be some weird salient point or something.

Ok, Ill try: "Pizza Hut!", "Charlie Sykes!", "Frosty The Snowman!"

Wow. Powerful stuff. Compelling even.




Inga...Allie Oop said...

“And, Dummy, PDT hasn't 'ended' DACA. It automatically expires in March.”
————————————

It would pay to know what you’re talking about before calling others dummies, dummy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-dreamers-daca-immigration-announcement-n798686

“WASHINGTON —The Justice Department announced on Tuesday it is ending DACA, the Obama-era program that allowed undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children to remain in the country, while also giving Congress a six-month window to possibly save the policy.

Under the plan, announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Trump administration will stop considering new applications for legal status dated after Tuesday, but will allow any DACA recipients with a permit set to expire before March 5, 2018, the opportunity to apply for a two-year renewal if they apply by October 5.”

Drago said...

Inga is doing her best to spin spin spin.

Unfortunately, the polls and people are not with you. You can tell by how quickly your gang caved and tried changing the subject.....because you were in a position of political and rhetorical "strength'....LOL

Nope. Its all just White Supremacy again!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The Trump administration Tuesday formally announced it will end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — also called DACA — putting an expiration date on the legal protections granted to roughly 800,000 people known as "DREAMers," who entered the country illegally as children.”

https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/546423550/trump-signals-end-to-daca-calls-on-congress-to-act

Birkel said...

Why is everybody with whom Inga interacts a sociopath according to Inga?

That might be the tenth person Inga has called a sociopath.

Odd.

Drago said...

Sorry Inga. DACA is unconstitutional. Even obama said so. If you disagree that would make you a racist. Toxic Whiteness I would say.

Trump may extend it a bit to allow for a smoother transition back to Constitutional-Ville, but make no mistake this unconstitutional action by ibama will end.

This is going to be a fun election. Dem campaign: Shut up stupid American voters while we replace you with foreigners!

Fantastic!

Drago said...

We alk know how much the lefties love their dictators, but this is one little area that the lefties are going to have to deal with as if we were a Republic...because thats what we are.

Anonymous said...

Watch this Inga, see how it is done.

You are correct. I should've stated that PRT gave Congress 6 months to come to a legislative solution to the Dreamers issue. This issue came about because Obama chose to play dictator and go around Congress and created the Dreamers by fiat. Even after he told the public many times that he had no constitutional authority to do so. PDT's move was to force a real, legislative solution to this Obama-created problem.

Drago said...

Inga seems surprised that follow on Presidents arent big fans of previous Presidents unconstitutional actions.

Huh. Go figure.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“That might be the tenth person Inga has called a sociopath.”

No, only those of you that fit the bill. Not ten, more accurately it would be about three of you. And what you three have in common is a strange obsession with me and other lefty commenters.

Anonymous said...

Drago
Sometimes dictators are the only man you can keep.

Birkel said...

Inga doesn't know that NBC and NPR are misleading her.
#Sad

Drago said...

Inga: "And what you three have in common is a strange obsession with me and other lefty commenters."

Oh, now I get it.

You are neither familiar with nor capable of processing counter arguments.

This "strange Obsession" you refer to is a little thing we on the right call 'disagreement'.

Of course, one of the most common traits of leftists for the last 100 years is to abuse psychiatry to criminaluze opposing views.

Thus has occured in every single leftist nation. Most notably the Soviet Union, the former Eastern bloc, Castros Cuba, etc.

Drago said...

And, of course, western leftists could always be counted on to deflect from the abuse of psychiatry by other leftists.

Utterly unsurprising that the left now deflects for islamic extremism.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Livermoron you appear to be the dumbest fuck to ever post here. There are thousands of economic statistics. I am not obligated by any rule of the internet to quote them all. I quoted the most relevant. If you can't see that you are a complete fucking moron.

Original Mike said...

Anybody else think Inga is sounding desperate?

I suspect if Trump curtailed illegal immigration while showing compassion to the Dreamer population, he’d win over a huge chunk of the middle. I was a reluctant Trump voter the first time, but if he pulled this off I’d vote for him enthusiastically the next time. Twice.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“This "strange Obsession" you refer to is a little thing we on the right call 'disagreement'.”

Nope, but points for once again mischaracterizing others’ comments. The strange obsession is the personal attention and insults, like the one livermoron ejected out of his gaping maw @ 1:09 PM.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Livermoron said...
if I am such a liar, why did ARM bail


Unlike you I have a life, you pathetic loser. I went for a swim and got a massage. Making me great again.

And you are a liar and fucking moron, although I will concede that the fact that you are such a fucking moron does mitigate your lying.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Anybody else think Inga is sounding desperate?”

No, more like determined.

Anonymous said...

Nurse Ratched,
That is called projection. I doubt that any man anywhere was ever obsessed with you.
Drago has it right.
You just can't handle pushback. Couple that with the insecurity you have about your own intelligence (justifiably so, you'll be glad to hear), and you have a deeply unpleasant individual doomed to ignorance.

None of us forced you to act as you do. It has always been your choice.



Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Livermoron, you appear to be the dumbest fuck to ever post here.”

LOL, and he was bemoaning the fact that the lefty commenters weren’t equal to his lofty level of intelligence, the irony...

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