December 26, 2017

The strange fear of infuriating Trump.

"Government mandarins are urging Prince Harry not to invite the Obamas to his wedding for fear of infuriating Donald Trump," The Sun reports.
There are deep fears among senior Foreign Office and No10 officials that another perceived national snub will make it impossible for Theresa May to meaningfully engage with Trump.

A senior government source said: “Harry has made it clear he wants the Obamas at the wedding, so it’s causing a lot of nervousness.

“Trump could react very badly if the Obamas get to a Royal wedding before he has had a chance to meet the Queen. “Conversations are ongoing about and ministers will eventually have to decide. If the PM lays down the law, Harry will just have to suck it up.”
Sounds more like the Queen might be infuriated. I don't get the idea of Trump being infuriated at not getting invited to Harry's wedding. That seems absurd, but then I don't get the idea of Trump as a short-tempered hothead.

ADDED: Here's a list of people who went to Prince William's wedding. William is much more important than Harry. The United States was represented by our ambassador, not by a President. There's no idea here that President Trump should be invited to Harry's wedding, just that an ex-President might attend and would need to get some disorienting special treatment. But why would that infuriate Trump? Isn't it a step down for Obama, being a wedding guest? It's the normalization of Obama. He's a friend of Harry's. And that's confusing for other Brits.

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Gahrie said...

Trump should call the royal family and tell them it's OK to invite Obama. It would be the classy thing to do.

David Begley said...

Althouse,” I don't get the idea of Trump being infuriated at not getting invited to Harry's wedding. That seems absurd, but then I don't get the idea of Trump as a short-tempered hothead.”

Strawman meets fakenews.

AllenS said...

Sounds like it's time for Trump to take out the twitting machine and straighten out the story.

dreams said...

It's just a way to badmouth Trump for something he hasn't done.

FIDO said...

I never got the sense that Harry formed such close bonds with the Obamas, but I don't read the tabloid press and have no idea.

By his very choice of spouse, when there were something like 9 million other candidates indicates that he likes to carve his own path, including raising the two finger salute to Trump just because the Guardian cheers him on in that stance.

While I don't think that Trump is hot tempered, I do think he is vindictive. Any of those cushy extras that Prince Celebrities like aren't likely to happen for Harry and his bride. Would Trump demand that State hold up their visas?

Possible.

Then again, this also feels like the media trying to pick fights between sovereigns just to insult Trump.

Tank said...

Two things I know about Harry so far:

1. He really wants the Obamas at his wedding.

2. He already gave up hunting, which he loves, because his fiancé doesn't like it.

Hmmmm.

George M. Spencer said...

This is a completely phony story written in advance of the Christmas holidays, i.e. something as filler to run the day after the day when no one is at the office.

This is from a news paper whose front page has a header reading..."Fabulous" ....

And a story on the front page whose headline is "Did You Spot the Bizarre Error on William and Kate's Christmas Card?"

RBE said...

If many Heads of State are invited to the wedding and not our President, that would be a big snub. I could see Melania going as our representative. Nancy Reagan, not the President, led the entourage that went to Charles and Diana's wedding. If the Obamas are personal friends that's fine but it would not right for them to represent the US in an official capacity. The British need to get a grip on their TDS.

Ambrose said...

Britain has already been disrespectful of Trump.

rehajm said...

Mote important: does thexast of Suits get to go? I mean I can see not inviting Louis but it would be quite the snub not to have Mike there and you want Donna to come just cause she’s hot.

rehajm said...

He’s the spare. Meh.

Quayle said...

Trump is a blank canvass onto which people project their hopelessness, nightmares, and meaninglessness.

iowan2 said...

I thought President Trump already burnt his GB bridge, according to the media, not a single foriegn nation approves of anything our President is doing. Or? Is what the media feeding me all a lie?

PB said...

Who cares about Prince Harry's wedding? Trump should let them twist in the wind with as little response as possible.

Michael The Magnificent said...

It's just a way to badmouth Trump for something he hasn't done.

Add that to the long list of things lefties hate Trump for that Trump hasn't done or intended.

Henry said...

There are deep fears among senior Foreign Office and No10 officials that another perceived national snub will make it impossible for Theresa May to meaningfully engage with Trump.

"Perceived national snub" raises the question, "perceived by whom?" The answer, which we can borrow from Ms. Clinton, is deplorables.

It's not Trump the mandarins are afraid of infuriating. It's their own citizens.

The deep state decides in darkness.

Henry said...

That phrase "meaningful engage with Trump" reminds me of another:

"After my election I have more flexibility."

Again, it's the proles the mandarins abhor.

Vet66 said...

Obama moved the bust of Churchill out of the oval office for some flimsy reason-clutter? There is history and there is history that saved the U.S. from speaking German if Germany, Japan, Russia, Italy had been victorious in WWII. Where would Martin Luther King and Obama been under that scenario? Gulag previously occupied by Japanese internees is now open under new owners.

Ann Althouse said...

Getting a bigwig to come to your wedding is a way of using them to aggrandize yourself. Trump got the Clintons to come to his wedding. It wasn't the other way around.

tim in vermont said...

It is an obvious fuck you. But whatever. It Is More of a fuck you to the people of the United States than Trump. Not the wedding, but what has gone before.

Jason said...

Liberals are constantly projecting their own insanity on normal people.

Breezy said...

I don’t think his base cares about his attending this event. Trump’s time better spent visiting our troops.

Who knows what Kim will be up to then?

Ann Althouse said...

See my addition to the post.

The potential infuriating of Trump can't be that he's not getting an invitation. It would have to be only that there's something akin to a presidential visit and it's not him.

But Obama's visit would be subordinated to the celebration of Prince Harry. I don't see a basis for envy.

Curious George said...

Maybe Harry doesn't have an iPod.

rehajm said...

Michelle will wear white

David Begley said...

The Royal Family is the most irrelevant thing in the world to modern America. A bizarre distraction. We don't care about them.

tim in vermont said...

In the movie "Unforgiven" there is a scene where Little Joe beats the crap out of English Bob for insulting America on the Fourth of July. Great scene. I think Little Joe deserved better than he got in that movie. He was trying to keep the peace in a very rough town.

MikeR said...

"Trump should call the royal family and tell them it's OK to invite Obama. It would be the classy thing to do." Huh? waiting and waiting, and my invite still isn't here. Every day I sit by the mailbox. Obama goes and not me? Get on the ball, Harry!

DHunter said...

The UK is dead to me after their vote against us on the Jerusalem embassy move. What a classless thing to do after WWI and WWII.

Chuck said...

It seems to me, Althouse, that you've got one thing right and one thing wrong in this.

What you got right is that indeed, the wedding of a lower-tier Royal would not warrant an invitation, or an acceptance by, a President of the United States. This is not something that Trump as President should be expected to attend. And further, your idea that Barack and Michelle Obama's attending as a couple, as friends of Harry's, and as civilians, is a diplomatic normalization of Obama, not any sort of elevation.

What you got wrong, was your notion; "I don't get the idea of Trump as a short-tempered hothead..." Because Trump is all about showiness and appearances and who's in and who's out and who got an invite and who didn't. And of course Trump's maniacal obsession with all things Obama is layered on top of that.

From Joe Conason's book, we know about private-citizen Trump calling Clinton advisor Doug Band and complaining that he should have gotten an invitation to Chelsea Clinton's wedding but didn't and wanted to know who he (Trump) needed to talk to.

And then there was Trump's own statement about a Clinton donation that Trump says was to secure the Clinton's presence at his own (third) wedding to Melania Knauss:
"When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me," Trump said. "With Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding. You know why? She didn’t have a choice, because I gave. I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. I didn’t know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world."

Anonymous said...

Hey, when we can't take the Washington Post and the New York Times seriously anymore, maybe it is time to give The Sun a whirl as our paper of record.

Though I still think Daily Mail clickbait is the richest info-mine, if you know how to read it.

Chuck said...

What I meant to add to my quote from Trump immediately above, as Althouse had already noted the issue, was that Trump did make a donation to the Clinton Foundation (through the Donald Trump Foundation, apparently) for $100,000, but it was four years after his wedding. So I dunno; maybe there was some other favor before then.

For me, the point about Trump being a Clinton Foundation donor is old news. But something to consider on this comments page is Trump's attitude about the prestige involved in wedding invitations.

Anonymous said...

Hey Chuck, nice to see you apparently no worse for the wear and tear after weeks of being "culturally bludgeoned" by "Merry Christmas".

Bloodied, but not beaten!

Btw, only eleven more days of Christmas to go! (Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry Christmas!) Hang in there!

Anonymous said...

I look forward to Chuck's exegesis on Trump and the Page 3 girls.

Chuck said...

David Hampton said...
Obama moved the bust of Churchill out of the oval office for some flimsy reason-clutter? There is history and there is history that saved the U.S. from speaking German if Germany, Japan, Russia, Italy had been victorious in WWII. Where would Martin Luther King and Obama been under that scenario? Gulag previously occupied by Japanese internees is now open under new owners.


Uh, well...

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2012/07/27/fact-check-bust-winston-churchill

Curious George said...

"Cuck said

And of course Trump's maniacal obsession with all things Obama is layered on top of that."

Yes, Chuck wrote that.

Glen Filthie said...

Prince Harry is a shit-disturber. He loves giving the finger to the pompous. He’s misjudged Trump in that regard, I think. We’ll see... I think if Trump is really perturbed he’ll tweak Harry’s nose via Twitter.

I gotta admit I’m disappointed in Harry. As a younger man he showed so much promise. Now he’s trying to be a rock star to left wing f-knuckles by being a mangina. His marriage to a skank can only end badly too.

Chuck said...

Angel-Dyne said...
Hey Chuck, nice to see you apparently no worse for the wear and tear after weeks of being "culturally bludgeoned" by "Merry Christmas".

Bloodied, but not beaten!

Btw, only eleven more days of Christmas to go! (Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry Christmas!) Hang in there!

Here we go again, Althouse, with another one of your commenters taking a personal shot at me. A substance-free insult, unrelated to the blog post, or any specific subsequent comment.

I want you to know who the instigators are, Althouse, in violating your commenting rules.

And Angel-Dyne; I don't mind a bit saying, or hearing "Merry Christmas." All that I did was to ridicule Trump's Christmas Eve Tweet in which he complained about a cultural "assault" on the phrase "Merry Christmas." And that he would somehow bring it back.

It is just like TrumpWorld, to then distill that idea into some twisted notion that I can't stand hearing or saying "Merry Christmas." What mendacious idiocy.

Bob Boyd said...

Obama should go. He'll fit right in. He has something important in common with these upper crust Brits. He doesn't understand America either.

whitney said...

He is sixth in line to a meaningless throne. Hopefully Trump has better things to do

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Hey Chuck, nice to see you apparently no worse for the wear and tear after weeks of being "culturally bludgeoned" by "Merry Christmas".

Bloodied, but not beaten!

Btw, only eleven more days of Christmas to go! (Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry, Merry Christmas!) Hang in there!”

No one gives a shit if you say Merry Christmas. How utterly idiotic.

Bob Boyd said...

@ Tim at large

Little Bill.
Little Joe was 'Bonanza'

Amadeus 48 said...

Trump often responds via speech or twitter when he believes that he has been attacked or insulted. Is not getting an invitation to the spare's wedding an insult? Is inviting the Obamas but not him an insult? And how does he see it?
The Brit press is clearly trying to stir up controversy here, as they often do successfully. Remember when the tabloids were on a campaign against pedophiles, and in reaction some benighted subjects of Her Majesty rioted at a pediatrician's office? Good times, good times.
Did Trump invite Charles, Harry, or William to his wedding to Melania in 2005? Or Tony Blair? Did he invite George W Bush? Who knows or cares?
I expect that Trump will tweet out something if he feels that he or the presidency have been insulted. That will take him about 30 seconds. There will be no other consequences.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Of course Harry doesn’t want Trump at his wedding. Who cares if Trump doesn’t like it and we all know he doesn’t like being snubbed, being King Trump, but he’s got his American sycophants, why does he need those foreigners to worship him too?

Amadeus 48 said...

Hey, Inga. Merry Christmas!

Bob Boyd said...

To borrow a phrase from Adam Carolla, Trump must sometimes feel like he's in a snow globe full of retards and cat shit.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I expect that Trump will tweet out something if he feels that he or the presidency have been insulted.”

Trump doesn’t care about the “presidency”. He’s degraded it already by his vulgar, crass, outlandish behavior. Hopefully the next President can repair the damage Trump has done to the Office of the Presidency.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Hi Amadeus, Merry Christmas to you too!

traditionalguy said...

Assuming the groom is a Windsor at all, then it is natural the Royals would invite Obama I to a Royal rite occult celebration.

But Citizen Trump being from an Isle of Lewis fisherman's family frankly has no interest in sucking up to World Royalty in London. He likes winners. Likely Trump will Send Nikki Haley with a message to threaten to cut them all off unless they tell the truth about the fake Dossier weaponized by the Limey MI6 for the Clinton Crime Family's election.

Anonymous said...

"I gotta admit I’m disappointed in Harry. As a younger man he showed so much promise. Now he’s trying to be a rock star to left wing f-knuckles by being a mangina. His marriage to a skank can only end badly too."


I give it five years.

Amadeus 48 said...

"He’s degraded it already by his vulgar, crass, outlandish behavior."

That's one Obama policy that Trump has continued.

Chris N said...

I fink I cahn give two fucks right mate.

tcrosse said...

Christmas is over. Let the Hate resume.

Bad Lieutenant said...

But Obama's visit would be subordinated to the celebration of Prince Harry. I don't see a basis for envy.


Envy is the wrong word, who wants to go to a stupid wedding? If there is a problem, which is open to question, it may be that fecklessness in the UK has led to...


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Inga...Allie Oop said...

“That's one Obama policy that Trump has continued.”

You know that’s not true.

Anonymous said...

No one gives a shit if you say Merry Christmas. How utterly idiotic.

You are correct that no non-idiotic person gives a shit who says Merry Christmas when.

For the other kind of person, on the other hand: "'Merry Christmas' is not a greeting or a warm wish so much as it is a cultural bludgeon."

Btw, why are people taking The Sun seriously? That way lies madness...

Bob Boyd said...

When the mean girls snub someone they want to make sure the person they snubbed knows they were snubbed. If the snubbee is to busy to notice, it takes the fun out the snub.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“For the other kind of person, on the other hand: "'Merry Christmas' is not a greeting or a warm wish so much as it is a cultural bludgeon."”

Should I hold you responsible for what Breitbart blathers on about? The vast majority of Non Trumpists and Democrats, liberals, leftists and progressives don’t give a shit if you say Merry Christmas. Trump is promoting a fake “War on Christmas”. Most non idiotic people realize this.

You simply wanted to instigate Chuck for your own satisfaction. You should’ve asked for some humanity for a Christmas.

Amadeus 48 said...

Actually, I had real problems with some of the things Obama did, but I am by temperament a traditionalist. Remember when Obama used to give Hillary and the Republicans the digitis infamous from the podium while pretending to scratch his cheek? Remember when Obama had Kendrick Lamar (TO Pimp a Butterfly) in the Oval Office? I thought that was vulgar and low. Trump continues the trend.

Rusty said...

tcrosse said...
Christmas is over. Let the Hate resume.

Come for the conversation. Stay for the irony.

Bad Lieutenant said...

In other words, who GAF about the spare and the American trash that stuck to his shoe, President Trump hasn't had a proper exchange of visits even at a serious state level.

PS. That must be annoying to the President but it must be ghastly for actual decision-makers in the UK. Special relationship? What special relationship?
Who were his first foreign trips?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump

KSA and Israel.

He's been to France, Germany, Italy and Poland, he's been to Vietnam!, but not England. Sweat is trickling down crotches in London over this. Teresa May should have either been a good little girl, or shown some balls, and had him there last February, not next February. If the UK is going to break with the US over tweets, it was pretty ruddy stupid of them to pull out of the EU, innit?

Annie C. said...

"Here we go again, Althouse, with another one of your commenters taking a personal shot at me. A substance-free insult, unrelated to the blog post, or any specific subsequent comment."

Mooooommmmm!!! He's touching me, make him stop! Moooommm!!! Now he's looking at me! Moooommm!!!!!!

Now I Know! said...
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Now I Know! said...

Chuck and Ingra, why are you still here? I am just looking at Ann’s blog after a long absence. Ann is getting even worse in her fawning over Trump and hold him and Republicans to a much lower standard. Ann has continued to take her blog even further into the right wing echo chamber. That is why it is populated by right wing kooks. Why do you want to be a part of that Chuck and Ingra? For one thing, Ann’s blog has become quite predictable and stale. Once Ann became boring in her constant propping up of Trump I quickly lost interest.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Actually, I had real problems with some of the things Obama did, but I am by temperament a traditionalist. Remember when Obama used to give Hillary and the Republicans the digitis infamous from the podium while pretending to scratch his cheek? Remember when Obama had Kendrick Lamar (TO Pimp a Butterfly) in the Oval Office? I thought that was vulgar and low. Trump continues the trend.”

If Obama gave someone the finger in an understated way, that was far more classy than the blatant vulgarities that Trump engages in and tweets daily. There really is no credible comparison.

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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Ray - SoCal said...

If you think the US is bad with fake news on Trump, UK / Europe is worse.

And May’s image after Trumps tweet of the video and the Jerusalem vote is negative with Trump. I hope Nikki Haley goes :-)

Now I Know! said...

Chuck and Ingra, Ann is not interested in creating a place for balanced discussion between those with different points of view. Instead, she long ago discovered (like many other bloggers and website operators) that she could cultivate a rabid right wing following with the least amount of effort and then prod them like cattle to use her Amazon portal. What an embarrassing low use of ones time and skills. Lol!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Here we go again, Althouse, with another one of your commenters taking a personal shot at me. A substance-free insult, unrelated to the blog post, or any specific subsequent comment."”

“...!!! He's touching me, make him stop! Moooommm!!! Now he's looking at me! “

Jesus. The stupidity by female conservative commenters on this thread today is embarrassing.

jwl said...

If story true, Brits are trying to make up for fact that PM May publicly condemned Trump for something he retweeted and UK voted against America's decision to move embassy to Jerusalem at UN twice.

PM May has awful political instincts, Britain wants trade deal with US and here she is sucking up to anti semite left wingers and antagonizing America.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“He's been to France, Germany, Italy and Poland, he's been to Vietnam!, but not England. Sweat is trickling down crotches in London over this. Teresa May should have either been a good little girl, or shown some balls, and had him there last February, not next February. If the UK is going to break with the US over tweets, it was pretty ruddy stupid of them to pull out of the EU, innit?”

Didn’t Trump say that he doesn’t want to visit GB unless he can get assurances that he won’t be met by thousands of protestors in the streets? People around the world hate Trump... I wonder why.

Chris N said...

Dearest Althouse (and Meade)

During recent visits to your fine cyber-establishment, I felt most abused by your other commenters. I have compiled a list of each offense (house rules, madam), and wish to see action. These ruffians must be brought to heel.

We live in dark times, and I must follow my truth on your blog. I am aware this opens me to criticism of anti-conservatism, narrow and strange obsession, and/or acting like an incredible pussy.

Oh Meadhouse, the internet highway is long, and upon this dark stretch, bandits, brigands and cyber-bullies close ranks.

Forsooth!

Paul said...

What we are seeing is fake news. It's just to generate controversy. They know Trump does not give a rat's ass who goes to any royal wedding but to publish how he 'might' be upset is just a way of getting it into the news.

Like the fake controversy of if Trump 'might' fire the special prosecutor. Everyone in the loop knows Trump has no intention of firing him but to say he might and they whip up a news frenzy is just, well, the way news reporting works now days.

It's all bullshit.

Amadeus 48 said...

Giving the finger is never classy, except when Nelson Rockefeller did it.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rockefeller-middle-finger-1976/

Anonymous said...

tcrosse: Christmas is over.

Not for us old school types. Christmastide 'til 6 January.


Chris N @9:06: thanks for the sparkling bagatelle for the second day of Christmas.

mockturtle said...

Sounds more like the Queen might be infuriated. I don't get the idea of Trump being infuriated at not getting invited to Harry's wedding. That seems absurd, but then I don't get the idea of Trump as a short-tempered hothead.

Exactly, Ann! Trump is not a 'short-tempered hothead' nor is he one to hold a grudge. A successful business tycoon cannot afford to be either.

cronus titan said...

Trump is a populist. Every arrogant social slight from the establishment makes him stronger. He will never be in the clique. That is part of his appeal. Ordinary Americans know that they too would never be invited to such grand events and it pleases them that the President makes the establishment crowd crazy.

mockturtle said...

And of course Trump's maniacal obsession with all things Obama is layered on top of that.

Funniest post ever from Chuckles.

Darrell said...

Harry flipped the bird to Melania when he posed with her for pictures. It was obvious that he was doing it intentionally, too, since he repeated it multiple times. He slid his hand between the buttons of his suit coat, leaving the middle finger exposed. He also did the "devil horns" or bullshit symbol using his index and little finger. The British Press covered for him by taking away the middle finger photos after first publishing them---then only focusing on the 'Devil horns." They tried to explain that it meant nothing--he was only being "silly buggers." Or that he picked up that habit of putting his hand in between buttons from his Dad, as a nervous habit.

As for not knowing Obama, he just interviewed Obama a couple of weeks ago and was fawning all over him.

Meade said...

@Chris N: LOL!

Darrell said...

Chuck, you are too good for this world.
Take care of that.

Amadeus 48 said...

Trump doesn't want to go to a wedding of an outed Nazi.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2076816_2076800_2076811,00.html

Darrell said...

The Spam filters that email providers added 20 years ago were capable of learning that mail from a particular account was NOT Spam the first time you hit the "Not Spam" button in the junk folder. Now we have Blogger/Google/Alphabet's new super algorithm that keep labeling my comments as Spam and deleting them, even though Althouse freed a hundred from Spam Hell. And you don't think there is something strange going on. Hummm.

Chuck said...

Now I Know! said...
Chuck and Ingra, Ann is not interested in creating a place for balanced discussion between those with different points of view. Instead, she long ago discovered (like many other bloggers and website operators) that she could cultivate a rabid right wing following with the least amount of effort and then prod them like cattle to use her Amazon portal. What an embarrassing low use of ones time and skills. Lol!

I confess to thinking much the same. But I find a lot of interest in quality postings by Althouse, apart from Trump-related subjects. So while I thought much the same as you, I didn't really want to believe it.

Now, Meade seems to want to prove that you were right.

LOL!

#Sad.

Yancey Ward said...

Chris N wins the thread!!

Yancey Ward said...

"I think Little Joe deserved better than he got in that movie."

I think Clint's character covered that when he killed him.

dbp said...

I think that only Meghan Markle will end-up being mad that Obama came to her wedding. I mean, she is a Hollywood actress and so the odds are that she likes Obama. Also, she is half black and half white, so maybe feels some comradeship. One never knows though: Remember that Star Trek where there were two men who were half black and half white, but mortal enemies because the halves were on opposite sides? Obama's dad was black and his mom white. Markle had a white dad and black mom.

Anyway, Markle may end up unhappy due to Barack Obama's penchant for being the bride at every wedding. No bride I ever met, wanted to be upstaged at her own wedding.

tim in vermont said...

People around the world hate Trump... I wonder why.

Last I checked, he was our president, not theirs. Maybe he does’t start enough wars? Hillary would have been much better on that s core, given her record as SoS, and Obama certainly came through in that area as well. Maybe it’s because the cut in the corporate tax rate is eviscerating economic advantages that the US had foolishly surrendered to our competitors in Europe and China. Whatever it is, what other people think of our choices is irrelevant.

walter said...

The bride has made her views on Trump pretty clear.
Having yapped about moving to Canada, she went much further.
Obama will give them a cool MePhone filled with his speechifyin'.
There will be cool people to take selfies with.

Janette Kok said...

I think invitations to leaders of foreign governments or their representatives are determined by the rank (in the hierarchy of the royal family) of the person getting married. Charles is the heir to the throne. When he married Diana, high-ranking people were invited, heads of state I guess, if the Reagans were invited. William's rank is lower than his father's, so lower-level government reps were invited. Harry is lower yet. I don't know whom they'll invite to represent the U.S. government, but it wouldn't be the president no matter who held the office. I would suppose that if Harry wanted the Obamas invited as private citizens who are his friends, that could be done. As others have pointed out, there would be the issue of the protection they require as former occupants of the White House. Presumably the Queen and her staff would decide if the invitation would be appropriate.

Darrell said...

Chuck and Inga lost any ability to call for civility when they launched their own attacks against various commenters. Multiple times. And some--from Chuck--100 times more vicious than he had received. What kind of "fuckhead" did you call that poor girl a few weeks ago, Chuck? She responded that she wasn't that variety "fuckhead," if I recall.

tim in vermont said...

Little Bill.
Little Joe was ‘Bonanza'


Clearly I have forgotten enough of that movie to watch it again. I was just thinking about Little Bill and it occurred to me that it was really Eastwood’s character who was the bad guy. Him and those women who decided to cook up “The Reckoning.” Maybe they were disrespectful to Morgan Freeman’s corpse, but he was a hired murderer, basically.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Heh. The Royalty stuff is for the left.

Please - invite Obama and George Clooney - and the rest of HIllarywood. The rest of America - we have work to do.

Yancey Ward said...

Public snubs are one of those social actions that pretty much defeat their intended purposes- almost nothing says you are an ass more than going out of your way to snub someone publicly.

MacMacConnell said...

If this snub of Trump is true, Harry is a dumb ass. Trump family probably gives great wedding gifts, Obama probably a DVD of his speeches.

tim in vermont said...

Inga, as the Unknown Troll explained once that she was not here to discuss, but to disrupt and to mock, well, mock as well as her limited powers allow, anyway.

Anyway, Trump should let them know privately that he doesn’t care, and publicly accept the political benefits of a “snub.”

tim in vermont said...

Besides, haven’t you guys seen “London Down”? It’s a trap!

Big Mike said...

My recollection of Obama’s 2009 state visit to the UK is that he and Michelle went out of their way to be uncouth and offensive. In 2016 she received him at Windsor, not Buckingham, which some saw as a mild snub. If anyone is infuriated at the prospect of Barack and Michelle being invited to Harry’s wedding, it is the groom’s grandmother.

MacMacConnell said...

On the other hand, Harry is a no body unless his brother dies, so why become even more insignificant at you own wedding by having the most powerful man in the world attend. Why not invite Obama, he's just a black Jimmy Carter now.

Darrell said...

The Queen probably intervened to get the photos of Harry flipping the bird to Melania taken down. Most likely called it a matter in the National interest--given uncertainties with trade and security post-Brexit. I wonder if she issued a formal ban.

Barring public apologies from Harry and the Royal family, Trump should definitely not attend the wedding.

Hagar said...

The wedding of the sixth in line is not a state occasion.
However, someone from the US embassy will no doubt attend; perhaps even the ambassador himself.

Darrell said...

Trump coverage in Great Britain has been close to 100% negative. And, like here. the negative stories are assigned in advance of anything Trump does. Even the Daily Mail has gone Left when they hired a shitload of new American reporters for their expanded US operations. Left is all you can get out of US Journo schools. One exception at The Mail has been Piers Morgan--although that may be because he likes to play the contrarian.

Chuck said...

Darrell said...
Chuck and Inga lost any ability to call for civility when they launched their own attacks against various commenters. Multiple times. And some--from Chuck--100 times more vicious than he had received. What kind of "fuckhead" did you call that poor girl a few weeks ago, Chuck? She responded that she wasn't that variety "fuckhead," if I recall.

I struggle with this problem.

Give it right back, to the idiot commenters who baselessly accuse me of being a lefty, a Democrat, a moby, a plant, a Soros-operative, et cetera? It is beyond counting; the number of times that I have published a comment that is squarely aimed at the substance of an Althouse post, in which I express criticism of Trump, and the response from numerous Althouse commenters is to attack me personally. Attacking me personally and naming me, when Althouse has specifically asked everyone to please stop doing that. Attacking me and naming me personally, when -- invariably -- an initial comment from me on any given page has nothing to do with any individual commenter apart from the blog's author.

The insults and appellations with regard to me are so regular that they have become Althouse memes. Like "LLR." And the (to me) undecipherable "Bowe Bergdahl Republican." And more:

"Titty-twister." A despicable Trumpian nickname that I got only because another commenter made it up as something I supposedly said. Later confessed to having made it up entirely, but now continues to try to bait me with it.

Another commenter's repeated allegations that I somehow failed to do my job as a Michigan Republican Party poll watcher in Detroit in 2016. When in fact I didn't volunteer for that service in 2016 (the first time in the 2000's that I didn't volunteer).

There's more, that I'd prefer not to mention here.

So sometimes, in response to that sort of taunting and lying about me, I fire back in writing. Because I have learned that the Althouse posting rules are so poorly enforced, and because I wouldn't take any of this, from any of you, if we were standing face to face. I'm not sorry for anything I've written here. I am sorry that the Althouse Rules, such as they are in practice, are so lousy.

I sympathize with the moderation-technology available to Althouse. She explains that she doesn't have the ability to easily block certain commenters, and that it is difficult and distasteful for her to delete individual posts. I understand.

Again, it's part of my own struggle between aggressively defending myself, versus requesting Althouse to defend the integrity of her comments pages and her own rules for commenting.

robother said...

Tim at large:
"I think Little Joe (Bill) deserved better than he got in that movie."

Deserves got nothin to do with it.

Seeing Red said...

It would be hilarious is DJT called the Protocol or whatever office and told them to tell Harry and Meghan have a beautiful wedding.

Seeing Red said...

...baselessly accuse me of being a lefty, a Democrat, a moby, a plant, a Soros-operative, et cetera? It is beyond counting;....


Why do you think they don't have a baseline, Chuck?

mockturtle said...

Our little LLR is a caricature. No detractor could ever equal what he reveals of himself.

Chuck said...

Big Mike said...
My recollection of Obama’s 2009 state visit to the UK is that he and Michelle went out of their way to be uncouth and offensive. In 2016 she received him at Windsor, not Buckingham, which some saw as a mild snub. If anyone is infuriated at the prospect of Barack and Michelle being invited to Harry’s wedding, it is the groom’s grandmother.

I like reading semi-thoughtful comments like this when they cause me to "look it up," as they say.

Also, I am a bit of an Anglophile, having lived and worked in London as an intern to a prominent Tory MP in the earliest Thatcher days.

It was the Daily Telegraph ("Torygraph") that went off, mostly, on Obama. And they were again running the mythical story about Obama getting rid of the Churchill bust (Churchill's bust was replaced by Lincoln's bust in the Oval Office, and Churchill then went on display in the residence, as it had before), and some other piddly things.

Here!:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/london-aghast-president-obama-gifts-prime-minister-brown-article-1.366667

Some vintage "fake news."

Seeing Red said...

People around the world hate Trump... I wonder why.



What is this lefty obsession with being Prom King/Queen?

Bad Lieutenant said...

I fire back in writing.


So how's your little buddy, Barron Trump? Haven't heard anything about him lately.

Gahrie said...

Hopefully the next President can repair the damage Trump has done to the Office of the Presidency.

Perhaps by getting a blow job from the help or putting his feet up on the Oval office desk?

wildswan said...

So powerful and successful is Trump now that not only is his presence a draw at an event but also his absence. I hear Eminem is furious that he insulted Trump and Trump didn't respond. This non-response disrupted an entire PR campaign aimed at boosting Eminem's sales. And similarly, stories about Prince's Harry's wedding in the dying media will be more interesting if Trump can be associated with the wedding in some capacity. Some clever PR guy realized that pix of "Trump not at the wedding" are just as good as "Trump at the wedding" and much better than "Prince Harry at his own wedding." Completely lacking in drawing power: "Obama at Prince Harry's wedding."

And what about Hillary and Bill - are they going? The younger sons of royal families are supposed to maintain contacts with opposition figures in case such figures come to power. But the opposition in the US has several parts. Is Harry lining up with the Obama/Jarret axis of incompetence against the Clinton axis of squalor? And Bernie? And Pocahontas?

Gahrie said...

I fire back in writing. Because I have learned that the Althouse posting rules are so poorly enforced, and because I wouldn't take any of this, from any of you, if we were standing face to face

What would you do? have your footman give us a sound thrashing?

wwww said...

I am sorry that the Althouse Rules, such as they are in practice, are so lousy.


Althouse steps in and tries to stop it. It would be exhausting to police constantly. Best to not respond.

Poor commenter behaviour reflects on the commenter, not on the person who is attacked. This sort of behaviour is disrespectful not just to Chuck -- it is disrespectful to Althouse.

She has written posts and comments several times in the last few weeks asking people to not attack others personally. This must be a real drag for her. She didn't sign up to run a pre-school.

Gahrie said...

On the other hand, Harry is a no body unless his brother dies

...and his "father": (wink wink, nudge nudge) and his brother's children.

Steven said...

He’s the spare.

Not anymore. William already has his heir and spare.

wwww said...

"And similarly, stories about Prince's Harry's wedding in the dying media will be more interesting if Trump can be associated with the wedding in some capacity."

I disagree.

I've got a hypothesis. I do not think the moderate middle likes politics injected into stuff like Christmas, the NFL, and Royal wedding gossip.

Chuck said...

Bad Lieutenant said...
"I fire back in writing."

So how's your little buddy, Barron Trump? Haven't heard anything about him lately.


See, here we go again. I did not want to bring this up. My detractors want to bring it up all the time. Me, just above:

There's more, that I'd prefer not to mention here.

So Bad Lieutenant brings up Barron Trump. Because more than a year ago, when Trump was making alarming statements on the campaign trail about a causal autism-vaccine relationship (as Trump had done many times in the past), I had posted links to published stories that Barron Trump was rumored to be autistic, and Trump family laywers threatened litigation to shut down those stories and particularly an amateur (posted by someone who self-acknowledges himself to be on the autism spectrum) who posted a YouTube video.

Bad Lieutenant wants to smear me with a vague and non-specific meme, without stating the basis for the story.

In more than a year, every single time that "Barron Trump" has been mentioned in connection with me or by me is when an antagonistic Althouse commenter does this.

For the record, Trump family lawyers claim that "Barron Trump is not autistic." Here's one of several links; this one is the US Weekly link:

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/melania-trump-threatens-lawsuit-over-barron-autism-video-w452617/

Gahrie said...

Chuck and Inga lost any ability to call for civility when they launched their own attacks against various commenters.

Rule #1 of the Left:

The rules apply to thee and not to me.

Gahrie said...

For the record, Trump family lawyers claim that "Barron Trump is not autistic."

Somebody who wasn't an asshole would have written:

For the record, Barron Trump is not autistic.

Gahrie said...

I do not think the moderate middle likes politics injected into stuff like Christmas, the NFL, and Royal wedding gossip.

I agree...and i think trump was in part elected in response to the Left's insistence on making everything political.

JML said...

I have watched Season One of “The Crown” so I am now somewhat of an authority on the royal family. All but the Queen are batshtit crazy. And even she has her moments..

(Notice the use of TWO ellipses. I’m usually a three ellipse kind of guy, but I’m trying to learn.)

Amadeus 48 said...

I take Chuck at face value, which is a GOP regular anti-Trumper. He is somewhat more rational about it than, say, Bill Kristol or David Frum. But he doesn't like Trump at all, let alone admire him.
He has many interesting and insightful things to say. I don't know anyone else who thinks quite the way he does, but that is part of what makes him interesting. He does let fly with vulgarities, but a lot of us are guilty of that.
Chuck adds a lot to the discussion here, and I hope he sticks around, even if, as alleged, he is a troll.

P.S. You too, Inga.

Rosalyn C. said...

I recall photographs of the Obamas visiting with William and Katherine and Harry. Harry and Michelle seemed to have a particularly close connection and obviously enjoyed each others' company. Maybe that friendship sparked an interest in him finding an African wife? Never thought of that before. Maybe there's also concern about ruffling feathers about that race issue, especially considering that recent brooch embarrassment by Princess Michael? IDK.

I doubt that Trump would care much about not being invited to Harry's wedding since they've never met. But the press will undoubtedly make a big story out of the closeness of the royal family to the Obamas and suggest the royals would never get on with the Trumps. That might cast a shadow on Trump's visit, as if Trump might not measure up, but really? BTW, am I supposed to capitalize Royals? I really don't know. A lot of petty nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

wwww said...

"See, here we go again. I did not want to bring this up."


No no no no no. no engage. It derails the thread.

I'd much rather talk about Meghan Markle's clothing choices. The Queen had a picture of Meghan and Harry during her televised Christmas greeting.

I think it's possible that Buckingham Palace is concerned that an invite might cause offence. Are people in Parliament worried?

I dunno - how good are these sources in the Sun? It's possible there is worry. However, it would be odd for a sitting President to be invited to Harry's wedding as part of protocol, no? He's not high enough in succession.

There was a international incident because of those videos Trump posted on twitter. It's possible Parliament is worried. I'd want to see better sources then just the Sun to believe it.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Nah, Trump won't get mad...but he sure as Hell will get even at some point.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Our little LLR is a caricature. No detractor could ever equal what he reveals of himself.”

Coming from a passive aggressive bible thumping hypocrite.

Chuck said...

Amadeus 48 said...
I take Chuck at face value, which is a GOP regular anti-Trumper.

The nutty thing about the Althouse commentariat (and certainly not Ann Althouse, who knows better) is that I had a long history of commenting on the blog and correspondence with Professor Althouse, before Trump. And I was an ordinary, little-noticed, standard, pro-Scott Walker, anti-"John Doe statute", pro-Scalia, Republican commenter. On this blog. On these pages.

Anonymous said...

Inga and Chuck, if you lived where I do, in Ithaca, NY, you wouldn't have any doubt that there is a war on Christmas, and has been for quite some time. When you go shopping and the clerk says, "Happy Holidays" and you reply, "Merry Christmas", an enormous look of relief appears on the clerk's face, and the clerk promptly responds, "Merry Christmas." Time and time again in a large variety of stores in town. You just know that they are in mortal fear of offending someone by saying "Merry Christmas" to the wrong person.

One of the positive things about Trump's election is that people now realize that there are a lot of other people out there just like them, and they can speak up in the face of liberal bull without a cascade of angry remarks following. Well, unless you're at a "holiday" faculty party at Cornell or Ithaca College.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The nutty thing about the Althouse commentariat (and certainly not Ann Althouse, who knows better) is that I had a long history of commenting on the blog and correspondence with Professor Althouse, before Trump. And I was an ordinary, little-noticed, standard, pro-Scott Walker, anti-"John Doe statute", pro-Scalia, Republican commenter. On this blog. On these pages.”

That’s because you have the audacity to still be a non Trumper. They hate you all the worse for being a conservative.

n.n said...

The mandarins are either out of season or rotten.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga and Chuck, if you lived where I do, in Ithaca, NY, you wouldn't have any doubt that there is a war on Christmas, and has been for quite some time. When you go shopping and the clerk says, "Happy Holidays" and you reply, "Merry Christmas", an enormous look of relief appears on the clerk's face, and the clerk promptly responds, "Merry Christmas." Time and time again in a large variety of stores in town. You just know that they are in mortal fear of offending someone by saying "Merry Christmas" to the wrong person.”

Not my experience at all here in Wisconsin. And I don’t believe it’s so in Ithaca NY either.

FullMoon said...



"Titty-twister." A despicable Trumpian nickname that I got only because another commenter made it up as something I supposedly said. Later confessed to having made it up entirely, but now continues to try to bait me with it.

Let's get something straight right now, pussylick.Credit where credit is due. I labled you with that nickname. I brag about giving a woman threatening asslicker like you with a metaphorically appropriate moniker. Your continual fantisizing about attacking little Greta van Sustern as well as calling her a whore earn you tittytwister and more.The tittytwister meme is so popular now it actually shows up on GooGle searches, as you well know.

It is only out of respect for Meadehouse that I restrain myself while poking your flabby belly.

Oh, and, good morning Inga. Your comments today give rise to the assumption that Christmas with the family went well last night. Still basking in the afterglow of good cheer, love and happiness that each family gathering garners, eh?

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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AllenS said...

Trump needs to send the Prince and the future Princette and autographed picture of himself with the caption --

This is the best you're going to get

[signature]

Birches said...

Chrus N made reading this thread worth it. That's how it's done people.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Oh, and, good morning Inga. Your comments today give rise to the assumption that Christmas with the family went well last night. Still basking in the afterglow of good cheer, love and happiness that each family gathering garners, eh?”

Yes as a matter of fact I am, unlike you spending all day here on Althouse making a fool of yourself. My lord, you come across as a certifiable nut case. And later today my entire family will get together under one roof.

AllenS said...

and = an

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"Also, I am a bit of an Anglophile, having lived and worked in London as an intern to a prominent Tory MP in the earliest Thatcher days."

The fuck you did. The Tories of Thatchers day wouldn't let a Quisling poofter like you into Lord's bar, not to mention Portcullis house.

Not even a back benchcher would put up with a pinko like Lifelong Cuck. You reek of the worst kiddie fiddling tendencies of Labour or the Lib Dems.

FullMoon said...

My lord, you come across as a certifiable nut case

Never denied being crazy. No need to address be as Lord. Save it for the Brits.

mockturtle said...

Wildswan @10:55: Great observation, reminiscent of Sartre's description of scanning the room and seeing that Pierre wasn't there [Nausea]. He was seeing the 'nothing' that was the absence of Pierre. He theorized that "consciousness, at its core, is nothingness".

Meade said...

One of the main things I'm enjoying about President Donald Trump is having a POTUS we are all free to criticize and insult and mock without his supporters melting down into emotional babies crying sexist, racist, homophobe, etc.
In that regard, it was a long tedious 8 years.

Meade said...

"consciousness, at its core, is nothingness"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOD4Q6kXHzE

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“One of the main things I'm enjoying about President Donald Trump is having a POTUS we are all free to criticize and insult and mock without his supporters melting down into emotional babies crying...”

Not if you read the responses directed at Chuck whenever he says something about Trump. People here go nuts, like someone insulted their Mama.

Martin said...

They must be scared what Trump might tweet?

Actually, sounds like a fake leak to create some fake news for whatever reason. There is no basis for thinking Trump gives a rat's ass about any of this. On the one hand the Euroweenies complain that Trump doesn't care about Europe or NATO or any other countries, but now we hear he will be so put off if Obama gets an invitation to a party that he will take it out on our relations with the UK. The only common theme is that they don't like Trump and will spin anything to make him look bad (in their eyes).

Although, Harry being a friend of Obama says nothing good about Harry. Chip off the old block? (Charles)

Bad Lieutenant said...

Bad Lieutenant wants to smear me with a vague and non-specific meme, without stating the basis for the story.

Not at all...


"D'ye expect me to talk?"

No, Mr Chuck, I expect you to suck your thumb while frigging yourself with a chainsaw every time I pull your chain, all the while thinking that you are winning. I expect you to continue to dance like a monkey, even as I explain how I am doing it to you.

You cannot help yourself. You cannot shut up, you cannot disarm a very gentle probe, you cannot think let alone say, not even that you were wrong, but that you expressed yourself badly. So you keep compounding the error. If I were to repeat the question even now, even now you would reiterate the calumny that, incredibly, you have decided does not reflect upon you.

Unlike in Star Wars, your hate is not making you powerful.

Also this takes up much more if your effort than mine. If this continues, I will try to Google up an I Love Lucy clip that expresses your dilemma.

Now I'll stop, having better things to do, and see what kind of sense you exhibit.

Big Mike said...

Dear Chuck. Thank you for your response at 10:36. The Obama boorishness towards Her Majesty in 2009 includes giving as a present an iPod plus Michelle wrapping her in a bear hug.

Big Mike said...

Dear Inga, Chuck has gone out of his way to personally attack nearly every regular commentator here on the Althouse blog. He also lies sort of the way you do, as an automatic reflex. I personally dislike him for his feeble attempts to portray himself as a Republican. Lies piled atop lies.

Drago said...

The lefties and LLR allies were running out of other fake news to peddle so they do what they always do: write an article with an assumption/projection/plain old lie and then proceed to comment as if what they concocted is established truth.

There is no reason for the opposition media to do otherwise as their voice-actuated lemmings like Inga and certain LLR's will always fall into line.

Once again though, we confront the question of whether or not having an opposition base made up of the Inga's & Chuck's of the world actually, in the long run, makes the dems stronger or weaker.

I would argue the evidence is in and though it might help in the short run to have the same army of automatons like those mentioned above amplifying the fake news, in the long run it is a strategic detriment as the truth slowly "gets its pants on".

Trump's tweets, and the clear increasing pushback of the republicans in the Senate and House against the dem/LLR allied non-sense re: Russia indicates that there is now a general understanding amongst the republicans that the collusion lie advanced by the lefties/LLR's has collapsed and, worse yet for the lefties/LLR allies the evidence of democrat actual collusion with Russia AND improper domestic spying is getting closer to critical mass.

That, all by itself, goes a long way to explaining the behavior of our lefties and their LLR allies.

Meade said...

"People here go nuts"

Going nuts is fine. I say go nuts... go big... live it up.

It's the out of control take everything personal prickly cry babying of Trump's haters that I find cringe inducing.
I'd be embarrassed for them if they couldn't help themselves. But they can. They don't have to be that way. They actively choose to be stupid and emotional.

FullMoon said...
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Drago said...

Inga: "Not if you read the responses directed at Chuck whenever he says something about Trump. People here go nuts, like someone insulted their Mama"

LLR Chuck claims to have voted for Trump.

Inga has, on more than one occassion, called all Trump voters deplorable and Nazi's.

Now she is defending one.

It's almost as if Inga can't remember what she has posted from day to day. Almost, almost, as if history began anew this morning.

Unexpectedly.

I particularly enjoy Inga "missing" Meade's rather ordinary and plainly true observation that any criticism of obama, LITERALLY ANY, was immediately labeled as racist. And if that racism was not clear enough, the lefties and LLR allies "helped" us all by making sure that lots and lots of brand new innocuous stuff was now "racist".

Drago said...

Quite frankly, I don't understand how Inga and Chuck are even alive and able to comment here.

Given that the left has claimed that the Republicans have literally already murdered all "752 Gajillion Americans" by the rescinding the democrat money laundering scheme known as Net Neutrality, getting rid of the democrat money laundering operation at the CFPB, and of course, passing tax cuts for 80% of taxpayers (and many non-federal income tax payers through the child tax credit).

Inga and LLR Chuck hardest hit.

Not to worry. Intrepid heroes of the Left/LLR's are still busy pooping on lawns, pooping on police cars, sending poop to govt officiels, befouling natural spaces with their anti-development campaigns, etc.

You know, that does seem like an awful lot of poop-themed lefty/LLR events, doesn't it?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“It's the out of control take everything personal prickly cry babying of Trump's haters that I find cringe inducing.
I'd be embarrassed for them if they couldn't help themselves. But they can. They don't have to be that way. They actively choose to be stupid and emotional.”

I find the blatant Trump sycophancy cringe inducing and feel embarrased for those who engage in it. One would think rational adults with normal intelligence would know better

Drago said...

Inga: 'One would think rational adults with normal intelligence would know better"

One would think that anything as laughably false as the fake Russian dossier would be recognized as such by everyone.

Alas.......

Rabel said...

Donald and Melania could publicly ask Barack and Michelle to represent the Presidency at the wedding. What would their options be? All bad?

Drago said...

Rabel: "Donald and Melania could publicly ask Barack and Michelle to represent the Presidency at the wedding."

I don't think that is possible because, once again, Michelle doesn't feel proud of her country anymore.

So, lets tally this up:

At 53 years of age, Michelle was not proud of her country for 44 years, then proud of her country for 8 years, and then not proud of her country for an extra year...and counting.

Now, as a private citizen attending a wedding for a family that basically pays lip service to every lefty cause while living a rather "comfortable" lifestyle at public expense, that would be right up the obama's alley.

Better yet if multiple speakers at the wedding trashed the US. That would be absolutely "perfect".

LLR Chuck might even be so moved to call such sentiments "magnificent"!

Meade said...

"Donald and Melania could publicly ask Barack and Michelle to represent the Presidency at the wedding. "

A brilliant idea. I'd be surprised if they don't do it.

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Seeing Red said...

Jesus. The stupidity by female conservative commenters on this thread today is embarrassing.


Jesus, the stupidity by naturalized citizen commenters on this thread today is embarrassing.

Dahhhhlink, you still don’t understand your adopted country after living here for decades.

America has been “vulgarian” since 7/4/1776.

It’s just that our outstanding success overturning old world thinking/mores/status quo in a short period of time and our money has them turn the other cheek while keeping their hand out.

We are the original rogue nation and with our current tax plan, which will be a success, we will, once again, drag “the world” kicking and screaming along.

Chuck said...

Meade said...
One of the main things I'm enjoying about President Donald Trump is having a POTUS we are all free to criticize and insult and mock without his supporters melting down into emotional babies crying sexist, racist, homophobe, etc.
In that regard, it was a long tedious 8 years.

Laurence, very respectfully, I can't accept your premise.

You might well think that Trumpists aren't "emotional babies," and that's okay.

But I think the central feature of Trumpism (and to some extent the Tea Party movement) is their adoption of one of the most distasteful features of modern progressive identity politics. With modern progressive identity politicians, it is all about a kind of wounded-victim identity. ('You disrespect me because I am a woman; because I am a black; because I am a Native American, or gay, or Hispanic-surnamed,' et cetera. I've been hurt, by the status quo.)

That is the precise sort of cultural grievance victimization being stoked by Trumpism. 'We're getting reverse-discriminated. Our government is beating up on us. The media is against us. The deep state is against us. We, as a group of white male working-class folks can't get a fair shake. They won't even let us say Merry Christmas.'

I expect that you'll deny it, Laurence, and then we can agree to disagree.

Drago said...

Witness emotionally fragile LLR Chuck going the "Full Maddow".

Unexpectedly.

Gee, I did not see that coming....LOL.

Gahrie said...

I find the blatant Trump sycophancy cringe inducing

OK...Trump has been president for almost a year now. So I have a question for the left, and for the Never Trumpers.

What bad has happened because of Trump? What's the worst you can come up with?

For us Deplorables, Trump's first year is looking pretty great. The economy is booming. Budget passed, tax reform passed. The deficit is still a problem, and entitlements a looming disaster. but baby steps. The U.S. has finally stopped taking everybody else's shit on the world stage and started to re-assert its leadership. Illegal immigration is down, self deportation is up, criminal deportation is up...and that's all before the wall has been built. Regulations are being slashed, guidances and executive orders overturned.

Birkel said...

I support Trump because he is returning government to proper order and undoing the Progressive experiment of centralizing control. Progressives wish Leviathan exercise control. I wish to maximize freedom, as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

I know of no conservatives who could think otherwise. Many a fopdoodle might, however.

Drago said...

Trump fights back, and he defeated Hillary.

Inga/LLR Chuck/ARM et al will never forgive him for that.

Ever.

wwww said...

I know of no conservatives who could think otherwise.


John Podhoretz doesn't support Trump.

Gahrie said...

With modern progressive identity politicians, it is all about a kind of wounded-victim identity.

Are you trying to be ironic or do you simply have no self perception?

The projection, the denial and the contempt are all Lefty attributes. It is a large part of the reason I am personally certain you are a Moby.

wwww said...

"Trump fights back, and he defeated Hillary. Inga/LLR Chuck/ARM et al will never forgive him for that."


Serious Question:

Do you really believe that Chuck liked/ likes Hillary Clinton?

Same with John Podhoretz -- do you really think he likes the Clintons or Hillary?




Drago said...

wwww: "John Podhoretz doesn't support Trump."

True. And I like Podhoretz. Podhoretz will credit Trump when he deems it appropriate, unlike some other critics.

Most notably over recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital AND moving our embassy there. You could argue that's for obvious reasons, nevertheless....

wwww said...



I could be wrong, but didn't Inga vote 3rd party rather then vote for HRC?

This is why it's relevant for the future: I do not think a number of the commetariat understand how much a lot of people, not just Trump supporters, disliked Hillary Clinton.

Why it's relevant for politics: If Inga voted 3rd party in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin was close, what happens when a not-Hillary is on the D ticket?

Chuck voted for Trump in 2016, but will Chuck vote for Trump 3 years from now?

Drago said...

wwww: "Do you really believe that Chuck liked/ likes Hillary Clinton?"

Irrelevant. What someone decides to call themselves is irrelevant. Whom someone claims to have voted for is irrelevant.

I am only concerned with the reality of operational tactics/rhetoric and actions.

Birkel said...

wwww

If John Podhoretz cannot support what Trump is doing and separate that from liking Trump's style the Podhoretz is not a competent source of conservative thinking.

An expansion of freedom is a noble goal of every conservative.

Drago said...

wwww: "I could be wrong, but didn't Inga vote 3rd party rather then vote for HRC?"

Again, irrelevant and cannot be proved.

All we can judge are what individuals say and how they conduct themselves over time.

Meade said...

I won't deny that you can find some crybaby Trump supporters but for the most part, Trump voters were not buying what Michael Moore was selling, that, as you say, "We, as a group of white male working-class folks can't get a fair shake. "

What, for the most part, Trump voters are looking for is a new pro-Americanism — a rejection of the Carter-Clinton-Bush-Obama softness — a continuation of the Reagan Revolution.

wwww said...

"Most notably over recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital AND moving our embassy there. You could argue that's for obvious reasons, nevertheless...."


Podhoretz has always called himself a Conservative and not a party Republican.

I do not think Chuck is a Moby. I think he is upset Trump took over the party. There's a fight in the Republican party over Trump. I mean, it's been playing out in public & it's not a secret.

Drago said...

wwww: "Chuck voted for Trump in 2016, but will Chuck vote for Trump 3 years from now?"

You are in no position to attest to that and state it as a fact.

Gahrie said...

I could be wrong, but didn't Inga vote 3rd party rather then vote for HRC?

According to the Lefties and Mobys at this site...nobody voted for Hillary...which is surprising since she won the popular vote as we've been told ad nauseum.

wwww said...

"I am only concerned with the reality of operational tactics/rhetoric and actions."

yeah but Chuck/Inga aren't running a media campaign on this blog. I think Chuck is trying to understand why fellow Republicans don't agree with him.

I'm obsessed with data. For me it is a data point if someone voted 3rd party or if someone voted for Trump despite dislike.


wwww said...

You are in no position to attest to that and state it as a fact.

I'm not stating it as a fact that's why I ended it with a question mark.

tcrosse said...

If I had voted for H>er, I'd lie about it, too.

Drago said...

wwww: "I'm not stating it as a fact that's why I ended it with a question mark."

Do you want to try again?

wwww: "Chuck voted for Trump in 2016, but will Chuck vote for Trump 3 years from now?"

"Chuck voted for Trump in 2016,...."

You are in no position to attest to that.

Meade said...

In 2016, many of us saw some of this in Trump and none of it in any of the other candidates (except maybe Scott Walker or Rand Paul). In Hillary, we only saw more Obama, Bush and Carter.

wwww said...

According to the Lefties and Mobys at this site...nobody voted for Hillary...which is surprising since she won the popular vote as we've been told ad nauseum.


ok, I'm derailing thread, so I'll just post one last data point:

People held Hillary Clinton in extreme dislike. Not just Republicans, Not Just Conservatives. Young People, Bernie Supporters, LOTS of people.

60-80 year old women liked her and had this dream of a woman president. They are pretty much the only ones who liked her.

a lot of 20-45 year olds disliked her. Even leftists. Even women. Dislike is too mild. many were disgusted.

Drago said...

Well Meade, whether or not anyone who voted for Trump saw a little Reagan in him, we are certainly getting that in terms of policy from Trump.

LLR Chuck hardest hit.

Drago said...

wwww: "ok, I'm derailing thread, so I'll just post one last data point:"

Not really. We can handle more than one thing at a time.

As for your other points, they seem to align with the analysis of the results.

wwww said...

"Chuck voted for Trump in 2016,...." You are in no position to attest to that.

My goodness Drago, of course I don't know that for sure. I'm making a personal judgement.

This is my reasoning: he's acting A LOT like a party Republican who doesn't understand what happened to his party. He's talking to you all as if you should understand him.

He seems confused about why you all don't understand him. He doesn't understand why he fit in on this blog until Trump's election and now he's an outcast.

That's why I believe him. It rings true to me. It's my personal judgement. You disagree, and I hear you. You disagree with my POV. That's fine. We disagree on this point.

Meade said...

It's almost 2018 and I'm seeing more and more Reagan in Donald Trump. As my friend Glenn might say: faster please.

Drago said...

wwww: "This is my reasoning: he's acting A LOT like a party Republican who doesn't understand what happened to his party."

I disagree.

Drago said...

Meade: "It's almost 2018 and I'm seeing more and more Reagan in Donald Trump. As my friend Glenn might say: faster please"

That's what is even more amazing. So many of the Never Trumpers who were old Reagan hands are now arguing vociferously against Trump even when Trump is delivering more conservative and potentially libertarian policies than we ever dreamed possible.

That is why LLR Chuck is so frightened of his own shadow and lashing out like an insane Occupy Wall Streeter (that's the only kind, by the way). Trump is delivering everything that was considered forever gone just 13 months ago by the conservatives, and that leaves the Never Trumpers and whatever LLR Chuck is adrift. Forcing them to change their talking points, as Scott Adams predicted.

Which pisses LLR Chuck off even more!

LLR Chuck has decided the only way to save face is to pretend ANY republican could have won, ANY republican would have enacted the same or BETTER(!) policies, etc.

It's all post hoc nonsense of course, but there's nothing left in the rhetorical cupboard.

Meade said...

wwww: "This is my reasoning: he's acting A LOT like a party Republican who doesn't understand what happened to his party."

I agree.

wwww said...

It's almost 2018 and I'm seeing more and more Reagan in Donald Trump.

I dunno. Reagan had a really good relationship with Thatcher and the UK. Those tweets caused an "incident" in the UK a few weeks ago. Really wish he wouldn't tweet like that about allies.

Anyways, back to Harry and Meaghan. I think Harry is too far down in succession for it to matter much who comes to his wedding. It would be like Prince Andrew's wedding. He's too far away from the Crown for a President to attend, unless the President is a personal friend. Certainly he shouldn't attend as a matter of State.

On a side note -- I think Meaghan will get pregnant soon. And I think Kate and William's children are adorable and am glad another is coming. I'm happy to see more baby pictures.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I find the blatant Trump sycophancy cringe inducing and feel embarrased for those who engage in it.

Wow sounds like a real problem around here. “Sycophancy” here in our little blog-commenting zone. My. But where? Where is this alleged sycophancy you lie about? Cut and paste an example for us. I don’t see it. I think this is another of your unsupported ad homonym attack’s with no substance or basis. Prove it.

Just cite three truly sycophant-like comments to help me understand your assertion. Three from this post that is allegedly rife the stuff.

Meade said...

"It's all post hoc nonsense of course, but there's nothing left in the rhetorical cupboard."

Then wouldn't it be more productive to simply ignore them? Let them gnaw whatever bone they have left?

wwww said...

"So many of the Never Trumpers who were old Reagan hands are now arguing vociferously against Trump"

In my POV it's mainly about foreign policy. It's not the official policy so much as tone and tweets and doing things in a timely manner. Like the slow appointment of ambassadors.

I believe Trump would be at 45 approval or above if not for the tone/tweets. My POV I know others disagree.

Chuck said...

Meade said...
In 2016, many of us saw some of this in Trump and none of it in any of the other candidates (except maybe Scott Walker or Rand Paul). In Hillary, we only saw more Obama, Bush and Carter.

Well that was easy. Trump vs. Hillary. (Although I don't understand what "Bush" is doing in your list with Bush and Carter. "Bush/Bushes" = Thomas, Roberts and Alito. Carter/Clinton/Obama = Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomoyor and Kagan.)

What's a lot harder, Laurence, is anybody's trying to explain a vote for Obama, followed by a vote for Trump.

I will never accept, and don't even understand, how anyone figured Trump was the best nominee for the GOP. Trump's losing by 2 points to the worst Dem candidate since Al Smith (but threading the needle for an electoral college win) is a very limited recommendation.

Gahrie said...

he's acting A LOT like a party Republican who doesn't understand what happened to his party.

If you posit that Chuck really is a Republican, than the best that can be said is that he is an example of exactly how Trump happened.

The revolt started on live TV when Rick Santelli had his Howard Beale moment. Then the Republican base began to self organize and protest both the Democrats and the Republican Establishment. The Republican Establishment, instead of listening to the base, demonized the Tea Party movement and often worked with the Democrats to oppose it. Next Cantor was shown the door. The Republican Establishment refused to listen...and actually started running Jeb for president!

If the Republican Establishment had listened to the Tea Party...Trump never happens. If the Republican Establishment had been willing to nominate Cruz or Rubio, Trump never happens.

However the Republican Establishment doesn't care about the Republican base (just as the Democrats take the Democratic base for granted) or even the American people, they care about preserving the power and prestige of the Republican Establishment...just like the Left does.

To grant them the best of intentions, the Republican Establishment has behaved exactly like the pigs at the end of Animal Farm, and have been co-opted by their former enemies.

mockturtle said...

That's why I believe him. It rings true to me. It's my personal judgement. You disagree, and I hear you. You disagree with my POV. That's fine. We disagree on this point.

Wwww, he is maniacally obsessed with Trump. This goes beyond mere displeasure with our Presidential choice and runs headlong into derangement.

Gahrie said...

I will never accept, and don't even understand, how anyone figured Trump was the best nominee for the GOP

That's because you will never accept that Jeb couldn't have beaten Hillary...and everyone except the GOP Establishment knew that.

Meade said...

"I dunno. Reagan had a really good relationship with Thatcher and the UK. Those tweets caused an "incident" in the UK a few weeks ago. Really wish he wouldn't tweet like that about allies."

You're talking about the retweet? I agree — he needs to be more careful. Reagan made a few mistakes too. And it turns out Theresa May is no Margaret Thatcher. Much the pity.

Gahrie said...

It's almost 2018 and I'm seeing more and more Reagan in Donald Trump.

I'm not ready to go that far yet.....

However, it is interesting that the two most conservative, and successful Republican presidents in the last fifty years were both former Democrats and both were part of the entertainment industry. I posit that some of their success is due to the fact that they knew the enemy.

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