"Both of them walked their little dogs at about a mile and a half circle, a nice little dog trot. I'd see them out walking, maybe they might stop and speak with each other."
Says a neighbor of Rand Paul's, quoted in "Attack leaves Sen. Rand Paul with 5 cracked ribs" (CBS News).
Police are saying nothing about the motive for the attack, but we do know that Paul was tackled from behind with "high velocity severe force." We can probably infer that the attacker — Rene Boucher — came onto Paul's property with an intent to attack him and surprised him and that it was not some kind of argument that arose and escalated in a face-to-face encounter.
Another thing we know is "Boucher is an anesthesiologist and a pain specialist." I'd want to look into whether Boucher had a drug problem.
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This will all be buried by the media faster than what's his name, the Congressman, who was shot by that guy, for no reason, and certainly not for his political beliefs.
... and that it was not some kind of argument that arose and escalated in a face-to-face encounter.
ARM begs to differ.
Rand Paul has been the victim in two politically motivated violent attacks. You would think that is newsworthy.
Why was the attacker released on $7,500 bond. If I attacked someone and broke their ribs I'd be cooling my heels in jail until I was sent to prison.
The dude's name is Rene: of course he has a lot of pent-up anger.
I am Laslo.
Charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault with minor injury. Booked and released.
That's two Bernie supporters now who have attacked Republican lawmakers, with intent to do severe damage and even murder. Then also consider all the violence from Antifa. There is something about socialism/communism that makes people crazy. It comes with an unparalleled degree of self-righteousness and violence. That's why it's the ideology that wins the award for historical violence, murder and oppression, with no close second. Maybe we should consider it for our own future. Feel the Bern!
The assault and battery lawsuit ought to be worth at least $1 million. The assailant cannot have insurance to cover it, so he'll be selling his house and going to a new neighborhood soon.
"The dude's name is Rene..."
He should have learned by now: walk away, Rene.
Rene is a great name: René Descartes, René Magritte.
It's time to have a national conversation about common sense Bernie supporter control.
Where are the angry mobs of libertarians? Hiding I suspect, heavily armed, but too high to get worried about.
Rene should be sentenced to cut Rand's grass for ten years.
Rene - a French man. Renee - a French woman.
Rene should be sentenced to cut Rand's grass for ten years.
With a blunt-end pair of scissors, like the children use in grade school.
I think he had an internet problem.
If you crack someone's ribs hard enough, you can bust his lung.
Rand could also have back problems the rest of his life.
How does getting hit from behind with high velocity severe force -- which resulted in five cracked ribs -- translate to fourth degree misdemeanor assault?
I'd want to look into whether Boucher had a drug problem.
I was surprised to see that drug abuse amongst anesthesiologists is an issue going back several decades.
Doctor's death adds to cluster of fatal fentanyl cases
Two studies, one in 1993 and another 15 years later, found a high rate of drug use by anesthesiology residents compared with other specialties. Over 10 years, 80% of U.S. anesthesiology residency programs reported encountering impaired residents and 19% reported at least one pretreatment death.
"The drug of choice for anesthesiologists entering treatment was an opioid, with fentanyl and sufentanil topping the list," the 2008 study said.
The study attributes the high instance of drug abuse among anesthesiologists to access to powerfully addictive drugs, "relative ease" of being able to steal small amounts for personal use and stress of the workplace.
"AllenS said...
Rene - a French man. Renee - a French woman."
The only difference, an "e."
Fourth degree misdemeanor assault is ridiculous considering the injuries. I have to wonder if the average street thug would get off that lightly.
I knew a kid in middle school named Rene.
He pronounced it REN-ey, {long e at the end). I don't think he wanted to get beat up.
We should ban running, tackling and fists.
To Protect The Children.
Harrison Bergeron could not be reached for comment.
It seems this guy wanted Rand to get off his own lawn.
I knew a dog was involved. Roy the dog.
We still don't have the full poop on what went down.
My friend works in a Florida hospital, and he says that in a single day, they once had 18 ODs with 8 deaths due to fentanyl.
Well, Kevin, as a socialist Bernie supporter the neighbor had every right to demand Rand use his land in Bernie-approved ways.
Carfentanyl, maybe. The Chinese are taking the British use of opium against them out on us, it would seem.
Paraphrasing from Ricky Bobby:
Rene: Bon. So, what if you just said: "I love really socialized medicine"? That is a fair compromise, no?
Rand: No! Because then everyone would know I really meant single payer!
Rene: Why do you want me to break your ribs so badly?
Rand: You don't understand. You don't understand because you don't understand liberty. You don't understand freedom.
So you put a crack in my ribs like the crack in the Liberty Bell! You hear me?
Other Neighbor: [leans down to talk to Rand in a low voice] Hey. This is just between you and me, okay? I mean, forget all these other guys. But he did give you a pretty decent out. But it's your call.
Rand: [whispering] What do you think?
Other Neighbor: Don't say it.
Rand: Yeah. I'm not gonna say it. Nope. Break it, Pepé Le Pew!
Rene: As you wish.
[He breaks Rand's ribs]
Rand: [in pain] He actually did it!
It wouldn't have happened if he'd been mowing with a scythe.
I've been known to complain to my wife about the neighbors, and she'll complain to me about the neighbors. Silly stuff, that means nothing.
I can't imagine taking out a neighbor, tackling them. I would shun any neighbor who did this, and ask that they sell. Who needs that kind of idiot in your life?
I blame Trump.
"Rene is a great name: René Descartes, René Magritte."
The latter have the accent acute. That makes all the difference.
They're like those little thin pancakes, Kevin!
"Why was the attacker released on $7,500 bond?"
-- Especially since the guy he attacked *is his neighbor.*
I don't get this decision. At all.
Opposition to single payer is tantamount to mass murder, just ask our resident socialist anesthesiologist. He has said it multiple times.
Note that ARM and Unknown Inga were wrong about every aspect of this case Saturday. Lefty blogs/news sites do that well.
"It's just this war, and that lying son of a bitch Trump!"
They're like those little thin pancakes, Kevin!
Every once in a while a comedy comes along that is pure genius!
alan markus said...
...Over 10 years, 80% of U.S. anesthesiology residency programs reported encountering impaired residents and 19% reported at least one pretreatment death.
That sounds....VERY LOW. Note the "10 years".
Apparently they don't have good numbers - from that same paper:
++
Subsequent studies have consistently differed from Talbott’s results.
Five years later, a study by Hughes, 5 found the rate of substance abuse in the anesthesia resident population to be no higher than that of other specialties. Interestingly, this same study showed higher rates of substance abuse among emergency medicine and psychiatry residents.
In 2000, Alexander published a study examining the cause-specific mortality risks of anesthesiologists which suggested that the rate of substance abuse among anesthesiologists does not differ from that observed in general internists and that both groups share a lower rate of substance abuse than the general population.
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Why was the attacker released on $7,500 bond?
I am also baffled by that.
I can only assume he's a big-time contributor to the DA, or to the DA's party.
The Trump haters are cornered. That leads them in to desperate anger and violence as preached and paid for by Soros and Steyer.
Today's politics resembles 1945 Japan turning into kamikaze tactics to slow their inevitable defeat.
Darrell: "Note that ARM and Unknown Inga were wrong about every aspect of this case Saturday."
Irrelevant.
ARM and Inga know, intuitively, that their role is to support the Party above all else. Facts are irrelevant. Only the Party and the Narrative matter.
They remind me of this from Dr Zhivago: "Understand this: as the military struggle draws to a close, the political struggle intensifies. In the hour of victory, the military will have served its purpose - and all men will be judged POLITICALLY - regardless of their military record!"
Theirs is a political purpose, not a search for the truth. There is only the Party's "pravda".
René Descartes was a drunken fart who was very rarely stable.
I'd want to look into whether Boucher had a drug problem.
Feels down. Has some meds. Feels better. No problem.
What do you expect from an ideology based on the initiation of force?
"ARM and Inga know, intuitively, that their role is to support the Party above all else. Facts are irrelevant. Only the Party and the Narrative matter."
There is only helpful and unhelpful.
Scalise, Paul...as much as the Media pretends to worry about the "right wing violence" that's just around the corner it sure seems like it's Republicans who get hurt by politically-motivated criminals, huh?
Well, I mean, assuming that's what this attack was. We KNOW that's what the Scalise/baseball-practice shooting was, even though the Media more or less refuses to publicize that fact.
"Opposition to single payer is tantamount to mass murder, just ask our resident socialist anesthesiologist"
And who would that be? I thought someone here once said Ritmo was a pharmacist. Which means he also has access to lots of drugs, which would explain a lot.
Of course, it could also mean he stocks the shelves at Walgreen's.
Actually, Kant was very rarely stable. Descartes never got that close to stability. Booze was an existential thing with Descartes as he wandered lonely as a cloud over the vast and featureless Coordinate Plane, hence his dictum — I drink, therefore I am.
Leftists are violent thugs.
tim in vermont said...There is only helpful and unhelpful.
Close.
Try: "the propagation of inconvenient facts is counterrevolutionary!"
Quaestor quips: René Descartes was a drunken fart who was very rarely stable.
But aren't you putting Descartes before the horse? [Groan. I know, I know...]
Ann Althouse said...He should have learned by now: walk away, Rene.
And now a Left Banke song is in my head for the day. Terrific.
nd who would that be? I thought someone here once said Ritmo was a pharmacist. Which means he also has access to lots of drugs, which would explain a lot.
Of course, it could also mean he stocks the shelves at Walgreen's.
It could also means he is an unemployable lout who lives in his mother's basement.
When it comes to the low level charges filed is it a coincidence that the county prosecutor happens to be a Democrat?
Pedere ergo sum.
If my Vulgar Latin memory serves.
Courageous Rand Paul! My prayers for him.
For His "Pain-specialist" neighbor, on the other hand, i am too human to flex compassion for this fellow. For the greater good, may the gears of justice be served on him most distinctly.
I feel prescient: just the other day, I emailed my (Oregon democrats) Congressman schrader and senator wyden, asking what they were doing to calm the nasty tone on their side, and cool down their leftie crazies. (never contact our other senator, Merkley, a political ass, probably similar to Sen. Paul's neighbor fellah)
god speed, america
I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor. Sounds like something personal, or as Althouse suggested, a substance abuse or psychiatric problem.
Actually, Quaestor, it was Immanuel Kant (a real puissant) who was very rarely stable.
René Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink therefore I am."
If my Vulgar Latin memory serves.
And so it does. The non-existent never break wind. Ever.
Late to the party, Roy Jacobsen. Quaestor corrected himself some twenty minutes ago.
The honorable thing at this point is seppuku, Roy Jacobsen. But I'll settle for a deletion.
Freeman Hunt said...
I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor. Sounds like something personal, or as Althouse suggested, a substance abuse or psychiatric problem.
11/6/17, 9:53 AM
Politics are personal these days, especially on the left. These guys are on opposite sides of health care debate.
I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor. Sounds like something personal, or as Althouse suggested, a substance abuse or psychiatric problem.
Paranoia and politics go hand in hand these days or have we forgotten What Happened already?
"These guys are on opposite sides of health care debate."
They're also rich guys with, probably, social status in their communities. Most people like that aren't willing to toss it all off over politics.
"The honorable thing at this point is seppuku..."
Nuts. My tanto is in the shop.
In the shop?!? My man, if you have disgraced your sword, you are already dead.
The severity of the injuries suggests to me that Boucher was under-charged here- really, misdemeanor assault?
Freeman Hunt said...
"These guys are on opposite sides of health care debate."
They're also rich guys with, probably, social status in their communities. Most people like that aren't willing to toss it all off over politics.
11/6/17, 10:08 AM
People who are very pissed off do not think about future consequences. Guy had no intention of going to jail. Probably had no intention of doing so much damage.
I agree mental problems, possibly drugs involved but without politics, would not have happened.
I guess Rand's going to need a security detail for mowing the lawn...neighbor watching him through the blinds cussing.
Will anyone tell the guy you're only supposed to punch Nazis, not tackle them?
Freeman Hunt continues to pretend the side that thinks (1) she is a Nazi, (2) punching Nazis is ok, and (3) all politics is personal can be reasoned out of its positions.
The slope is very slippery Freeman Hunt is kidding herself.
Yancey Ward said...
The severity of the injuries suggests to me that Boucher was under-charged here- really, misdemeanor assault?"
As as I said up-thread, is it a coincidence that the county prosecutor is a Democrat? Would the prosecutor undercharge if it was some ordinary citizen that was injured instead of a Republican US Senator? Maybe the DoJ needs to get into this.
"The severity of the injuries suggests to me that Boucher was under-charged here."
-- I've been sucker punched before. One good sucker punch can kill someone.
An attack from behind that breaks ribs and knocks someone down, frankly, if they can prove motive, as a juror I'd be persuadable for attempted murder. I don't think I'd buy it (since I don't think there'd be intent to kill, just maim,) but I'd at least be willing to listen to the prosecution.
"It's just this war and that lying son of a bitch, Johnson!"
Fabi said...
How does getting hit from behind with high velocity severe force -- which resulted in five cracked ribs -- translate to fourth degree misdemeanor assault?
11/6/17, 8:46 AM
When done to a Nazi of course! They have all been told it was OK to punch a Nazi.
Rand should apply for a restraining order that says the guy can't come within 100 yards of him (or whatever the distance is from the far end of Rand's property to the far end of this guy's property + 10 yards).
After this and the Scalise shooting, Congressional Republicans need to seriously start considering security details.
I’ve learned that Boucher was a strong Bernie supporter, like James Hodgkinson who attempted to murder Republican politicians practicing for a charity baseball game. I say that In the name of senatorial comity Bernie Sanders needs to disavow both attackers and to instruct his followers that violence is not the answer.
Rene might be considered a good name but surely not Boucher.
Here is some info about Boucher.
"“Once we obtain the complete investigation, Ms. Milliken and myself will review the facts and determine the appropriate charge to proceed with,” Cohron said in a text message Monday to the Daily News.
Milliken said further charges could be brought, based on the extent of Paul’s injuries."
"Boucher is listed as an inactive physician retired from practicing medicine on the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure’s website, which states that he graduated in 1984 from the Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine and was licensed in 1998 to practice in Kentucky. His license expired in 2015, according to the state licensure board."
http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/officials-studying-paul-case-for-potential-additional-charges/article_09756b4a-f880-5c5d-8db6-3d906981c153.html
"Freeman Hunt continues to pretend the side that thinks (1) she is a Nazi, (2) punching Nazis is ok, and (3) all politics is personal can be reasoned out of its positions."
No, Freeman Hunt pretends that people with money and status generally try to keep it. What shocking fantasy!
"Milliken said further charges could be brought, based on the extent of Paul’s injuries."
Good. Seems like tackling someone from behind should result in some pretty serious charges. I agree that a $7,500 bond seems awfully low.
It looks as if for even minor assaultthe facts contradict the sentencing guidelines. If I read this correctly base level minor assault would be 7 if there was physical contact plus 2 for bodily injury.
Of course for certain government officers and employees the offense is a class D felony, class C if bodily injury occurs. Sentencing guideline is 10-25 years for a class C felony...
I see no mention of reduction of sentence for being a member of the correct political party.
The punishment is inconsistent and disgustingly suspicious.
Of course, Federal charges may be forthcoming.
Of course, Federal charges may be forthcoming.
Clearly a hate crime.
Fabi said...
It's time to have a national conversation about common sense Bernie supporter control.
Good one!
"They were as far left and right as you can be."
This misunderstands libertarians. Restricting both sides is not a right position, it's the compromise position. It only seems "right" in this moment because the left has adopted more extreme positions restricting freedom and therefore recognizes libertarian opposition more.
"Of course, Federal charges may be forthcoming."
"Clearly a hate crime."
Yes, but with mitigating circumstances, after all it was only a Republican who was attacked.
René Descartes was a drunken fart who was very rarely stable.
Thanks for the earworm.
"No, Freeman Hunt pretends that people with money and status generally try to keep it. "
Attacking your neighbor and breaking ribs is a real good way to lose status and money, even if your neighbor is not a US Senator. The medical staff of a hospital I used to work at moved very quickly to revoke the privileges of one physician who was charged with domestic abuse and another who was charged with battery. It used to be that physicians who got into hot water in one city could relocate and start anew in a different state fairly easily. Google Michael Swango, who might just be the most prolific serial killer in US history, and you will amazed by how much that guy got away with before he was finally arrested. It's not so easy any more.
Violent, impulsive and bad-tempered, yeah, that's the sort of guy everyone wants working the anesthesia machine when they go in for a bypass.
Not even a real doctor, he was an osteopath.
Paul was mowing his lawn and unable to hear the attacker approach. Pure cowardice.
"Not even a real doctor, he was an osteopath."
They are real doctors, my dr is a DO instead of an MD and he is part of the same hospital owned practice as my previous dr.
Also, I don't know Boucher, so maybe he *is* as far left as he can be.
But... is Rand Paul *really* as far right as you can be?
bagoh20 said...
There is something about socialism/communism that makes people crazy. It comes with an unparalleled degree of self-righteousness and violence.
It doesn't make people crazy/violent. It attracts the crazy/violent. You have to think it is OK to take people's stuff with the government monopoly on force and give it to your friends in the first place.
That's why it's the ideology that wins the award for historical violence, murder and oppression, with no close second. Maybe we should consider it for our own future. Feel the Bern!
As stated above it is a requirement to believe it is OK to intimidate and murder people who disagree with you and take their stuff in order to become a socialist in the first place.
Darell is right. Public executions are the only answer.
"Not even a real doctor, he was an osteopath."
I think they have to take the same board exams.
They're also rich guys with, probably, social status in their communities. Most people like that aren't willing to toss it all off over politics.
Yeah - This story is very strange. The larger point is there is a story here...What was the trigger for this attack? Two affluent doctors, living next to each other, in a gated community for YEARS. One day 1 of them decide to run out of his house, jump the other doctor, and break 5 ribs?
What happened?
They're also rich guys with, probably, social status in their communities. Most people like that aren't willing to toss it all off over politics.
So why would he have been willing to toss it all over some personal dispute? It's not even as though this attack happened in the midst of a heated argument. He made a decision to come up from behind Paul and attack him.
wwww said...
Yeah - This story is very strange. The larger point is there is a story here...What was the trigger for this attack? Two affluent doctors, living next to each other, in a gated community for YEARS. One day 1 of them decide to run out of his house, jump the other doctor, and break 5 ribs?
What happened?
Have you been watching the news for the last year and a half? This isn't the first leftist to run out and attack someone he/she disagrees with. This isn't strange at all. It is what we have come to expect.
"osteopathic medical school graduates are permitted to take either the USMLE or the Comprehensive Osteopathic Medical Licensing Examination (COMLEX) exam for medical licensure."
So there's a difference..along with lower pass rates on the other tests in the licensure process. I notice more DOs in smaller town systems.
Licensure not to be confused with Board Certification.
Oh, come on, now, Bad Lieutentant. I voted for Reagan. Twice. How much honor do you think I have?
In the eyes of the left, that is...
“There is something about socialism/communism that makes people crazy. It comes with an unparalleled degree of self-righteousness and violence.”
“Public executions are the only answer.”
Does this person have even a kernel of self awareness?
I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor.
Why?
Have we not enough proof leftists have gone completely off the rails and are now lashing out violently?
Start with political motivation and then work backwards. Make them own it.
“I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor. Sounds like something personal, or as Althouse suggested, a substance abuse or psychiatric problem.”
Thank goodness, a rational commenter.
Expired medical license..his invention seemingly unavailable..sharing almost identical name with Columbia and Nike "Therma Vest".
Thermavest
Does this person have even a kernel of self awareness?
You are the last person on this board to ask that question, Princess SS.
>> $7,500 bond seems awfully low.
Bond has only one purpose, and that's to insure the released shows up in court. If the court considers the attacker not to be a flight risk, then a low bond or even ROR is appropriate. Bond is never meant to be punitive.
If the guy owns his own home and has ties to the community, then he's almost certain to show up for his 4th degree sidewalk-spitting court date.
If he had been charged with something more serious, a much higher bond would be appropriate, since one assumes he has the means to flee the jurisdiction if he wanted to...
Dan
There are a lot of unstable people in the world, that's obvious from current events. It's why the over-the-top response the left has been fomenting since the election is so dangerous.
“I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor. Sounds like something personal, or as Althouse suggested, a substance abuse or psychiatric problem.”
Well we know he has a psychiatric problem, he's a Leftist and a Progressive.
“I would be surprised if politics were a motivating factor."
-- Why? The fact Rand Paul got money from a Neo Nazi was a minor issue. A quick Google shows a 2010 article asking if Rand Paul's base are "racists, corporations or both?"
Why would you be surprised if someone we know to be the opposite side of the spectrum politically from a politician may have been politically motivated, especially when we most recently had a full-on assassination attempt in shooting Scalise, and one... less than effective assassination attempt against Donald Trump during the campaign? In a year when Antifa promises to punch a Nazi, to bash the fasc?
If anything, if a Republican law maker is injured by violent criminals, finding out the political leanings of the attacker should be the first thing done, since left-wing violence against Republicans is a known phenomena that radical left-wing groups like Antifa revel in and promote.
"If he had been charged with something more serious, a much higher bond would be appropriate,"
The bond may be appropriate for the charge, but the charge seems inappropriately low.
For those unfamiliar, "ROR" means released on recognizance.
Also, I'm unfamiliar with Kentucky criminal law and procedure, but it's very unlikely the actual charging decision has been made yet. The 4th degree assault charge refers to the charge for which he was arrested and booked. The charge for which he will be arraigned will be determined later, presumably after further investigation.
Always nice to see other Python fans!
“You are the last person on this board to ask that question...”
I once knew a very fat angry man named “Jim” who was a bra fitter. He had such big man boobs, he could’ve worn one himself.
"five rib fractures including three displaced fractures, in which a bone separated into pieces and went out of alignment from its typical position. The senator is also suffering from lung contusions"
So..a bit beyond "cracked".
According to the media and the left, it's OK to be violent. Everyone to their right is a Nazi.
Individuals who promote liberty should be mowed down and hunted until dead. Is that correct leftwing Antifas?
“Individuals who promote liberty should be mowed down and hunted until dead. Is that correct leftwing Antifas?”
Jesus, what ignorant cliche bullshit.
Unknown is jealous of the amount of Ruskie hooker piss ARM earned today from Papa Soros. The competition is ON!
"I once knew a very fat angry man named “Jim” who was a bra fitter. He had such big man boobs, he could’ve worn one himself. "
Was that the plumber you fucked after Walker was reelected?
Unknown - then do explain why Antifas get to label anyone they want a "nazi" and then violently assault them.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home,
I saw a news clip of the Antifa "resistance march" in LA, what a pathetic pack of lefty losers they were. The cops took a baseball bat away from one antifa (who wore a mask that covered everything but her big crybaby mouth and her eyes. Maybe the antifa womyn are practicing for the delightful days when they get to wear a burka). She then whined on camera about how the fascist cops violated her rights and how she needed to protect herself from the Trumpists (the pro Trump counterprotesters were not wielding bats and were entirely peaceful, of course.)
Oh, if I could only send every leftist in the country to North Korea for just a week so they could experience real oppression....
"Boucher is an anesthesiologist and a pain specialist."
I don't think that term means what Dr. Boucher thinks it means. :)
Just to jog Inga's memory, she refused to condemn Hodginkson's murder attempts on Republicans. She refused for weeks to criticize attacking Republicans.
Some of us have long memories. And we remember that only one leftist commentator on this board ever said it was wrong to shoot Republicans.
That one honorable leftist was not you, Inga. Nor was it ARM, or Trumpit, or Ritmo. Instead, all of you dodged, danced, and acted offended that Steve Scalise hadn't died. Ritmo openly called for more of it, as I recall.
--Vance
"Just to jog Inga's memory, she refused to condemn Hodginkson's murder attempts on Republicans."
Really?
Drago wrote: "ARM and Inga know, intuitively, that their role is to support the Party above all else. Facts are irrelevant. Only the Party and the Narrative matter."
They remind me of a guy who used to post daily, and often more than that, at the libertarian "Transterrestrial Musins" blog. He used the nom-de-guerre "Jim," and no matter what goof or misdeed Obama and/or his underlings (e.g., Lois Lerner) committed. would show up almost immediately with the party-line excuse. It got funny watching the mental and verbal contortions the guy would go through to maintain the party line in the face of all facts and logic. Some speculated that he was a paid apparatchik of the DNC. He got so ridiculous some of us called him "Baghdad Jim" after the King of Party-Line Defenders, Baghdad Bob. (Bob as US tanks rolled into Baghdad: "The tide has turned! Allah has scattered the infidel army and Dear Leader has triumphed!")
Interestingly, BJ disappeared from the comments section the day after Trump was elected. Maybe he's resurfaced here under a different nom-de-guerre?
" Maybe he's resurfaced here under a different nom-de-guerre?"
Nah. ARM and Inga are reocurring pests, similar to herpes.
Note that Rand Paul was one of the players on the field during the shooting attempt. That's one murder attempt and one violent assault on Senator Paul in a matter of months, both by left-wingers.
"without politics, would not have happened" Exactly. Imagine Boucher attacking a fellow prog neighbor. TDS is the fentanyl of American politics.
I can't believe anybody here could support what Hodginkson did.
Oh, if I could only send every leftist in the country to North Korea for just a week so they could experience real oppression....
Only a week, exiled? I think a much longer experience is called for. After NK, a nice holiday in Venezuela.
Steven said...Note that Rand Paul was one of the players on the field during the shooting attempt.
--
Note that it's already been noted.
Maybe this violent, unlicensed dr. was peddling black market opioids and hit a tipping point when Trump put that crisis in the cross hairs.
Sunsong was the only lefty here who condemned the attempted murder.
So there Freeman Hunt went applying her logic to the other side, again.
When will people like Freeman Hunt learn?
I'm guessing the learning will happen all at once.
And that the people who consider Freeman Hunt a Nazi will disabuse her quickly of her logical notions.
Here's hoping Freeman Hunt remains above the fray.
mockturtle said..."Oh, if I could only send every leftist in the country to North Korea for just a week so they could experience real oppression...."
Only a week, exiled? I think a much longer experience is called for. After NK, a nice holiday in Venezuela.
My vote is to send them to one of the last remaining ISIS-held zones and drop them via parachute into it, after someone has applied Charlie Hebdo tattoos of Mohammed to their foreheads and cheeks.
Well, either Inga's out walking the dog or it's true. Holy crap.
“Sunsong was the only lefty here who condemned the attempted murder.”
That’s bullshit. No one here ever said the shooting was justified. Why are there so many people here who are willing to lie about such things? What is wrong with you?
“I can't believe anybody here could support what Hodginkson did.”
No one did. Quit believing loons like Vance, Fabi and Achilles, who want nothing more than to stir up anger and hatred. This country is unstable enough, no need to buy into extremism
The beating was a thank you for Paul's No vote on the draconian health care bill.
UnknownInga64 is lying. Only sunsong condemned the Hodgkinson attack. They were repeatedly asked to condemn. Directly. And refused.
They don't support, specifically, such attacks. But they tolerate violence from their side. See, e.g. Pro-Fa
“They were repeatedly asked to condemn. Directly. And refused.”
Bullying and browbeating someone into saying words you want them to wont work out the way you want. No one was going to give you loons the satisfaction. Having said that, no one here ever said or intimated that the shooting was justified. Do you seriously think most leftists think violence is a solution? I don’t think most rightists do either, but then we have the lunatics and extremists, who comment here about “public executions”. Check your “own”.
Unknown said...
This country is unstable enough, no need to buy into extremism
Tell us more about how America is at risk of the The Handmaid's Tale coming true.
you loons
It's always amusing when the loons get territorial. Jealousy I think.
I say we ask the more than 100 million corpses that Leftist Collectivists gave the world these last 100 years.
They may be able to help you understand that leftists (sic) think violence is a solution.
100,000,000 laid at the Leftist Collectivist altar. Own it.
Do you seriously think most leftists think violence is a solution?
French Revolution, Russian Revolution, USSR, Red China, Cambodia, Cuba, Wobblies, Chicago 1968, Antifa........
Yeah, I do.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year
“U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year“
“Despite the nation’s intense national focus on Islamic terrorism since 9/11, homegrown, right wing extremists have also killed dozens of Americans. The groups include white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups and anti-federalists militias. Since 2001, the number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right ideology has spiked to an average of more than 300 a year, according to a study by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.
A 2015 survey of U.S. law enforcement groups found they consider anti-government violent extremists to be a more severe threat than radicalized Muslims. And while jihadist terrorists have killed 95 people in the U.S. since 9/11, far-right extremists have killed 68 during the same time, including the car attack in Charlottesville. That’s according to data collected by our next guest, Peter Bergen, the director of the national security studies program for New America and a terrorism analyst for CNN.”
There are those for whom dopey D and R politics provides the entire meaning for their existence, and they are certain this incident is an act of political terrorism. For those with additional interests in life, there are a dozen more likely possibilities.
For those with additional interests in life, there are a dozen more likely possibilities.
MSM lies. the neighbour was obviously planted by ANTIFA seventeen years ago.
After all, humans would never get into a idiotic fight over landscaping. We've never seen a neighbour loose his shit over a tree getting cut down or smelly compost. Oh no. We're too high minded for that.
Working-class people generally put their disagreements on the table; it takes a doctor or lawyer to seethe about something stupid for a dozen passive-aggressive years before finally exploding.
I don't think that term means what Dr. Boucher thinks it means. :)
He decided to be a bringing the pain specialist.
From Boucher's lawyer: “It was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial. We sincerely hope that Sen. Paul is doing well and that these two gentlemen can get back to being neighbors as quickly as possible.”
Freeman Hunt is most likely right.
I wonder if drugs, alcohol, or mental illness is involved.
Unknown: "Bullying and browbeating someone into saying words you want them to wont work out the way you want."
Advice much better suited for the lefty Red Guard on college campuses.
Earnest Prole: "There are those for whom dopey D and R politics provides the entire meaning for their existence..."
Indeed. Lets try to limit it to no more than 17% of ones existence.
Really, any prime # will do.
Have ARM and Inga blamed Paul yet for allowing his ribs to get in the way of "woke" leftist just doing his civic duty against a Nazi?
It was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial.
Why is Boucher's lawyer being so cagey about the exact nature of the triviality? There is an obvious answer, is there not?
"So why would he have been willing to toss it all over some personal dispute? It's not even as though this attack happened in the midst of a heated argument. He made a decision to come up from behind Paul and attack him."
Those are the types of disputes in which I've known rich people who lost it. Affairs, personal insults, yard/home disputes, dog issues, jealousies; these are the things that generally set people off and cause them to do stupid, impulsive things.
From Boucher's lawyer: “It was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial. We sincerely hope that Sen. Paul is doing well and that these two gentlemen can get back to being neighbors as quickly as possible.”
That doesn't sound like an apology to me.
Those are the types of disputes in which I've known rich people who lost it. Affairs, personal insults, yard/home disputes, dog issues, jealousies; these are the things that generally set people off and cause them to do stupid, impulsive things.
As a child I remember a love triangle involving a couple who were acquaintances of my parents and who were both well-to-do and prominent. The dispute ended in a double murder.
All the Leftist Collectivists are working overtime to excuse this criminal assault. It is almost as if they see a political reason to deny a political motivation for a violent assault.
What might explain it?
The dispute between Paul and Boucher was over a “floral”issue in the landscaping. Hahahaha. All you fools who look for political motivation in every act of violence should be embarrassed.
Just like some of you who were ranting about the Texas shooter being Antifa and killing 26 people because of politics. He was pissed at his in laws who were members of the church, it was a domestic issue. But keep on desperately projecting your own violent attitudes onto others you disagree with. We know what you’re doing, even if you don’t.
Heh. There's always that one person in the neighborhood who spends a good deal of time worrying about his own yard and freaking out over other people's yards. Guess Paul's neighbor may have been that guy gone wild.
I can understand a love triangle leading to tragedy. There is a certain operatic grandeur to that. But to throw one's life away over, as www suggests, "a idiotic fight over landscaping" - sheesh.
No operatic grandeur to being pissed off because your neighbor cut down a tree. However, as Harvey Weinstein has shown, some old rich liberal dudes feel quite passionate about plants.
It could have been a very, very special tree.
That doesn't sound like an apology to me.
LOL. No it doesn't. And I'm sure the lawyer has told Boucher that he may get charged with a felony, and is at risk of a civil suit and he better keep his mouth shut and not admit fault, whether he feels sorry or not.
A good friend lived on a street that had that guy. He would call the city on people -- because they had left some spare tires in their driveway, or because their sidewalk was in disrepair.
Where are the angry mobs of libertarians?
Have you ever met an angry libertarian?
We sincerely hope that Sen. Paul is doing well
Doubtful, given one of you cracked 5 of his ribs.
"Do you seriously think most leftists think violence is a solution?"
Most? No. But we've been watching lefty violence for a year now, so spare us your outrage.
I believe the criminal and his lawyer every time.
It's helpful that a few others also remember UnknownInga's refusal to condemn that attack. She didn't and she still won't -- calling me a "loon" won't deflect her indecency.
I've been catching up on my reading these evening Just read an article on the more than $600,000 it cost Berkeley last month for security for one speech by Ben Shapiro.
Unknown said...
“Sunsong was the only lefty here who condemned the attempted murder.”
That’s bullshit. No one here ever said the shooting was justified. Why are there so many people here who are willing to lie about such things? What is wrong with you?
It is the truth. You still deny political motivations in the left's attacks on Trump rallies as well. Clinton campaign staffers were caught on tape describing how they paid people to be violent at his rallies. You people are a cancer on a free society.
“I can't believe anybody here could support what Hodginkson did.”
No one did. Quit believing loons like Vance, Fabi and Achilles, who want nothing more than to stir up anger and hatred. This country is unstable enough, no need to buy into extremism
I remember posting links to the NYT's articles where thousands of leftists upvoted comments saying Scalise deserved to get shot because he supports the second amendment. There are thousands of tweets by leftists saying he deserved it.
A cancer that needs to be removed.
Immanuel Kant was a pissant, not a puissant.
Unknown: "We know what you’re doing, even if you don’t."
You apparently also "know" what we are doing when we are not even doing it.
Which is why you make up "code words" so that you can be outraged at things not said and still get to punch "nazi's".
The jig is up on you lunatics.
Assault on a Senator resulting in personal injury is a federal crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison. (18 U.S.C. § 351(e).)
I can't understand why the feds are letting the local cops 'n' prosecutors take the lead on this.
Go to the comments of this article and click "Readers Picks."
Some leftist Gems:
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Are we still good with Second Amendment remedies?
Sic semper tyrannis.
You reap what you sow.
The chickens come home to roost.
Maybe now we can get serious about gun control.
If all the Congressmen had been packing … (oh wait, Congressman Brooks already covered that)."
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"I condemn this violence unreservedly. But as GOP members bemoan their inability to go about a sacred America ritual without fearing for their lives, I must point out that the vast majority of Americans cannot now go to bed, or get up in the morning, or go to work without the threat of GOP cruelty hanging over them. My Medicare! My Social Security! My country once more to be dragged into a war of political and profiteering convenience! Let's have some proportionality here! And let's have some civilized gun safety laws."
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There are numerous others.
Why the under charging? This seems like GBH to me. And as pointed out above, it's a felony with a 10 year maximum sentence for assault on a senator that results in injury. Perhaps Earnest Prole can enlighten us, because I can see one obvious reason.
“Sunsong was the only lefty here who condemned the attempted murder.”
That is absolutely correct and sunsong got a lot of praise for doing it, although condemning the attempted murder of people on a baseball field is something any decent human being should do automatically. Praising someone for condemning it is like praising a normal junior high kid for being able to dress herself. Sure, it's commendable, but it's also expected.
Except that leftists like Inga, ARM and Ritmo didn't, in fact, have the basic decency to do so. Inga is lying (as usual) now, or maybe she is senile and forgot, but nobody else has.
Inga, ARM and Ritmo are disgusting, heartless trash and deserve no respect from anybody.
"dispute between Paul and Boucher was over a “floral”issue in the landscaping. Hahahaha. All you fools who look for political motivation in every act of violence should be embarrassed."
Because nobody shot at Paul on a baseball field because of the rage Maddow whipped up?
Definitely I always believe a guys lawyer 100% in these matters.
I dunno, both the apology and the stated reason for the dispute seem awfully self serving to me. Since the attacker would face stiffer penalties for a politically motivated attack, I'm not inclined to take his lawyer's statements about lawn disputes at face value,
I realize there have been other neighbors confirming that there were disputes about leaf blowing or whatever, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that the guy hated Paul both for his political positions and his landscaping habits (in fact the latter could be a proxy fight of sorts.)
Nearby there was a man who told his friend that he never wanted to speak to him again because they disagreed about moving a branch out of the road. Same guy expressed great anger about leaves blowing from yard to yard. Some people get really upset about yard-related things.
Ever notice how you always hear about "right-wing" or "radical?"
but you *never* hear the media proclaim someone as a "left-wing" or a "radical?"
Wonder why that is? /sarc
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