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This is how you get more Trump:
"Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez further complicated Virginia gubernatorial candidate Ralph Northam’s chances of winning the statewide election on Tuesday by refusing to unequivocally tell NBC’s Chuck Todd that people who drive pickup trucks aren’t racist."
There's been a mosquito that's been flying briefly in front of my monitor for a couple weeks. Every midair snatch attempt so far has failed. How long do they live, is the question.
There's no water around so it's not going to breed.
At least he's not a fly-near-an-ear bothering type.
Sunrise, Sunset. Sunrise, Sunset.
Heard that sung at a wedding once. Wedding ended in divorce.
Kevin Spacey has Marburg.
Noticed a strange increase in "Hate Has No Home Here" signs here over the past couple of weeks. We live in a large development with several hundred houses. After last year's election there were two houses with these signs. Now maybe 10 or 12. This is still a small number- maybe 1 or 2 percent. But I can't stop thinking this is some kind of organized campaign.
I don't frequent the lefty Web sites because I hate the vitriol and flat out misinformation that finds its "home" there. Asking those braver than me if there is something going on there around these signs.
OK, I want to talk about the Saudi purge. Could it not result in a revolt by extreme factions, much like what happened in Iran when the Shah was deposed and in Egypt when Sadat was assassinated? Or will it really result in a more moderate Saudi Arabia that no longer funds terrorism?
I like Hollywood scandals. They're the comfort food of bad news. I like to disapprove of hypocritical movie stars and pervy producers. It doesn't take any research and most of the victims are rich and beautiful and will get on with their lives in due course. I don't like to read about people being massacred at church by some sicko. You can moralize about it, but you get the disturbing sense that there's no true morality anywhere in the world. Just crazy people inflicting random acts of murder on people at prayer.
Asking those braver than me if there is something going on there around these signs.
My daughter and son-in-law have had one at their house since the election. I'm not braver than you, though, so I don't talk about it.
"Just crazy people inflicting random acts of murder on people at prayer."
He was kicked out the AF for domestic violence and the ex-wife and her mother attend that church.
They weren't even there that day so the creep can't even murder his mother-in-law successfully.
Until yesterday, I had paid little attention to the killing that happened during the "Unite the Right" protest in Charlottesville on August 12. An anti-right protester was killed when a pro-right protester drove his car into a crowd of anti-right protesters.
Yesterday I watched several YouTube videos about that incident, and there are good reasons to think that the killing was organized as an anti-right provocation.
A large group of anti-right protesters were following a small group of pro-right protesters. The small group turned north onto Fifth Street, but the large group stopped following the small group at Fourth Street and turned north there.
Fourth Street had been blocked by a mysterious car for at least five minutes. Nobody was sitting in that car's front seats, but some people were sitting in the back seats.
In that vicinity, Fourth Street was the only street on which the pro-right protester could have driven into a crowd walking north. Third Street and Fifth Street had permanent barricades that prevented any cars from driving south.
Basically, it looks like someone arranged for the anti-right protesters to walk north on Fourth Street so that they would be hit by the car driving south.
One by-stander, Brennan Gilmore, was standing at the north end of Fourth Street, in a perfect position to film the car driving into the crowd. Gilmore seems to be a CIA employee. He had served as the Deputy Chief of Mission at the US Embassy in the Central African Republic. There Brennan was "responsible primarily for military affairs, which include the U.S. Special Forces deployment to the eastern Central African Republic and a rotational U.S. Africa Command liaison officer position".
The movements and locations of another person filming the event -- Ford Fischer -- are also very suspicious.
A helicopter from which the event was being filmed from above crashed, and both of the helicopter's occupants were killed.
Many elements of this event are mysterious, and it looks like a cover-up is being maintained.
You have to spend some time studying the layout of streets and the movements of the pro-right and anti-right groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsK0dpyu4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBfjIDriYw
"if there is something going on there around these signs."
We went a home tour last spring in Tucson in an area with lots of U of A faculty. "Black Lives Matter" signs on several homes.
Probably white faculty.
i have to ask, what is that structure behind the flamingo? it looks like a ferris wheel, but an unusual one. i'd be very delighted if this were the case.
LEFTY LOGIC: A gunman shot a bunch of people. Ban all guns!
MORE LEFTY LOGIC: A movie producer raped a bunch of people. Ban all movies!
"Fourth Street had been blocked by a mysterious car for at least five minutes."
I saw that video, too. Very suspicious plus the organizer of the "white nationalism" rally is a former "Occupy" organizer.
Maybe false flag all along.
OK, I want to talk about the Saudi purge.
After the OPEC production cuts, oil has stabilized at $50/barrel. Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states need $80/barrel or more to maintain their welfare states. I suggest that Alwaleed is clearing house, getting ready for the unrest that will surely follow the coming austerity.
@vicari, it is indeed a ferris wheel, reaching 550 feet in the air. Link here.
Lance, I thought Alwaleed was one of the 'detained' by the King.
Went to an Evil Walmart yesterday. Four human cashiers, eleven self checkout machines. Also a new hand held gizmo to self scan purchases as you shop. Not sure what that is about.
I always use the self-scan at Kroger. First because you avoid picking up colds from the high school bagger; second because I have to pack stuff correctly so it fits on the bicycle.
Also it's faster. The line if any for the self-scans empties very quickly.
mockturtle,
It is an attempt at reform in the hope of staving off a revolution. Probably too little and way too late, but one can always hope.
The House of Saud needs to go, but a sudden collapse and civil war that is not going to stay local is likely to become very nasty for everybody.
Hope y’all make it to the Grand Canyon.
J. Farmer was citing Richard Dawkins in the white-is-okay thread, and he wanted me to respond. So I was googling Dawkins and Coyne, and I came across a fascinating article by Perry Marshall about evolution.
Really interesting stuff.
You can read his debate with PZ Myers here.
Myers' criticism?
he’s a software person, he’s an electrical engineer, and he’s trying to impose his perspective on biology.
And Marshall's response is that
DNA is an information code. It is not simply like an information code. It is an information code.
It's a fascinating discussion. I think the atheist (Dawkins, et. al) argument that everything must be random corrupts a search for truth.
All I’m saying is what’s going on here is non-random, and the non-random hypothesis is more consistent with the spirit of science than the randomness.
I agree, Michael k, false flag at charleston, these are nasty people, Those-Who-Would-Be our Overseers.
So much scary-blue colored Stuff is leaking out of every Leftie porthole, it is Something. Planned baseball diamond shootings, the ripples of tsunamiWeinstein, the continued misinformation script from @NPR on around, what poison they do they have in them, that they poison our whole nation for their vanity? . . .
Noticed a strange increase in "Hate Has No Home Here" signs here over the past couple of weeks. We live in a large development with several hundred houses.
We have an increase in signs too. Flags and signs. State of Jefferson flags and signs. Gadsden Flags and NO Trespassing signs. with "I have a gun and backhoe warnings".
Different neighborhoods I guess :-D
. . . But I was coming on here to share a current question/rumination wondering:
these vast quantities of original writing going on right this minute, like each of us here at Althouse, & all across the world. Original script, composed on a tablet of light. So.Much.writing!!!
Oh how astounding it would be to bound all that script into paper scropt (a most classic and sturdy record, as Leonardo da Vinci would remind us) if it were printed out on an ocean of paper, oh what a record, a history, this moment is, what a vast diary it would be. Civilization, 2017
The likely alternative to the house of Saud is an Islamic Republic of Arabia.
I.e., ISIS or something very much like it.
The sign I want says "This Sign is Signaling my Virtue"
" if it were printed out on an ocean of paper, oh what a record, a history, this moment is, what a vast diary it would be. Civilization, 2017"
You could say something like that, a vast sea of paper, for any year after, oh, 1550 maybe, but probably much earlier. There was a volume of ephemeral writing even then that was and is impossible to digest - probable even before Gutenberg. And it got bigger every year since. We have vastly more of it, but its just as indigestible.
Even things that truly are worth reading and knowing about are lost in the past.
Consider 16th-17th century Spanish drama. The sheer volume of that stuff is incredible. The English Elizabethans were amateurs in the drama biz. The Spanish were churning this out at ten times the rate over the same period.
But all enormous mass sits in libraries.
Humanity is way, way behind on its reading.
Re: hate signs, Definitely professionally organized, similar to the earliest Antifa posters, wow they were excellent design that would excite the vanity of their target minds (and full of incendiary, alarm-bell Lies.)
When I am around similar ones in Stores in portland, we only hate haters, and we get to decide who those are.
I am too human today, I can give up No Compassion fir these bitches, they can go to hell, along with Rand Paul's neighbor.
Shoot, since I am at it, I will have to say, you damned liars & conjurers delivering "the news" on behalf of the nation -- @Npr, no more wasted compassion for you and your unscrupulous Side, your collusion & incitement continues apace, go to hell.
buwaya said...
The likely alternative to the house of Saud is an Islamic Republic of Arabia.
I.e., ISIS or something very much like it.
11/6/17, 11:17 AM
Oh, you mean like a Caliphate.
The contenders: Iran, Egypt, Turkey, KSA (under new management).
I know! Let's move heaven and earth to enable one of them to get nukes! What could possibly go wrong?
I like to read Spanish history. It has a surreal quality. Magic realism was not such a leap for Spanish writers.......Irish history is all about famine and futility. Very depressing, but their writers make the failures look poetic . The worst history is Russian. So much brutality and pointless death. Stalin wasn't even the craziest or most homicidal ruler the Russians have ever had. The Germans can at least claim that Hitler was the worst despot in their history.
Stayed on the Strip for the entire trip, but I did get a great long look at the Grand Canyon from the pkane.
We have an increase in signs too. Flags and signs. State of Jefferson flags and signs. Gadsden Flags and NO Trespassing signs. with "I have a gun and backhoe warnings".
Different neighborhoods I guess :-D
I like your neighborhood better, DBQ! ;-)
Megan MacArdle complains about the tax bill -
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-03/republicans-turned-the-tax-code-into-a-weapon
As it happens, we will get hit by this, not that much directly by the removal of the deduction for state/local taxes, nor the limit on mortgage interest as we are free and clear, but probably significantly through the impact on property values. And she's right, the big losers will be the HENRY's (High Earning, Not Rich Yet) which we are.
This will hit a large number like us in the SF Bay Area, upping the effective marginal rate, probably lowering property prices (putting many underwater on their loans, which will become less affordable), etc. These will be the core staff of the local industries, middle-management, technical and professional workers.
I'm not saying its unfair, but that it will indeed have an impact. It will have a significant effect on the local economy and the nature of Silicon Valley.
Not explored in her piece is the significant additional incentive for California/NY/others corporations to shift their HQ's to less costly states.
I.e., ISIS or something very much like it.
Smart money is on the renaissance of Al-Qaeda. ISIS is pretty much toast and it's members are joining up with an invigorated AQ network headed by [possibly] one of bin Laden's sons, Hamza.
Practically the whole mainstream media have been caught lying about Trump
https://pjmedia.com/trending/trumps-koigate-fake-news-spun-shameless-white-house-press-corps/
"Practically the whole mainstream media have been caught lying about Trump"
This is new?
They march in ranks and are told what to say, whatever serves their masters cause.
The only good thing about this is that the people creating the propaganda line aren't very clever.
cf at 11:00 AM
false flag at charleston
The protest was named Unite the Right so that the entire political right would be smeared with guilt by association.
This morning I have thought about the incident some more, and I now hypothesize that the plan was as follows.
The provocation's organizers knew ahead of time that James Alex Fields, Jr., wanted to drive his car into a crowd of protesters. The organizers informed Fields that a big group of protesters would be walking north on Fourth Street -- which was the only street on which Fields could drive south.
Fields intended to drive south through the crowd and then continue driving south in his get-away. Without Field's knowledge, however, the van was parked to block such a southward get-away.
The organizers had planted collaborators, armed with knives, at the intersection. After Fields plowed through the crowd but was blocked by the van, the collaborators would pull Fields out of his car and knife him to death.
Fields, however, surprised the organizers by making his get-away backwards. Therefore Fields was captured alive and still can tell his story.
Fields' survival is a huge problem for the provocation's organizers.
When the "news" media actually cuts and edits an entire section of context - that's "fake News".
Thanks DNC media hacks. Nice work.
Our media is an ARM to the democrat party. It's that simple.
"The provocation's organizers knew ahead of time that James Alex Fields, Jr., wanted to drive his car into a crowd of protesters. "
This is not very plausible. Such a plan would require very specific knowledge about the intentions of some anonymous person. More, it puts an awful lot of trust in a fall-guy flake.
A conspiracy in a more general sense, makes sense, but this sort of thing does not work at the micro-level. They could hope something exploitable would happen, certainly, but not that a particular one would.
This time of year the desert looks so appealing.
Its a concern, I saw the kingdom , it showed the rank and file antiamerican among the people, it may have been curing the atmosphere in 2003-4
buwaya at 12:03 PM
This is not very plausible. Such a plan would require very specific knowledge about the intentions of some anonymous person. More, it puts an awful lot of trust in a fall-guy flake.
That group is thoroughly infiltrated by FBI agents.
If Fields told someone that he wanted to drive his car into a crowd of anti-right protesters, then the following could be arranged:
* Tell Fields to drive south on Fourth Street at a certain time.
* Divert all the anti-right protesters north on Fourth Street at the same time.
* Block Fields from continuing to dive south in his get-away.
* Pull Field out of his car and knife him to death.
Arranging that is not impossibly complicated.
The anti-right protesters should have turned north on either Third Street or Fifth Street, because both of those streets are permanently blocked for vehicle traffic. Those two streets are for pedestrian traffic. Furthermore, the pro-right protesters walked north on FIFTH STREET.
So, the huge crowd anti-right protesters were mysteriously diverted to walk north on FOURTH STREET, which was open for vehicle traffic driving one-way south.
Watch the two videos to which I linked at 10:17 AM. Watch both of them in the given order. You have to spend some time to understand the streets' layout and the protesters' movements.
Following up my comment at 12:03 PM
The third video to watch is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHIrLb7xxM
At about 8:55 you will see a few thuggish-looking guys loitering by the van that is blocking a southward get-away on Fourth Street.
Not explored in her piece is the significant additional incentive for California/NY/others corporations to shift their HQ's to less costly states.
It's amusing to see NeverTrumper Patterico fuming about the SALT deduction deleted from the tax plan. He is a government employee and can't move.
I think this might pop the California real estate bubble. OK by me. I left last year.
The "Blue Wall" the Washington Dims want looks like a trap.
Paging admiral ackbar, however could the backlash be enough to knoch0k put enough GOP moderates endangering the majority, fwiw
This scenario trusts that the driver will reliably do his part, becoming a martyr, all alone behind the wheel, under stress in a confusing situation. And the man is an acknowledged flake besides.
This is a very poor basis for a plan. The links are very weak.
People aren't robots.
Yet another Saudi prince killed, in a gunfight resisting arrest.
Youngest son of former King Fahd.
Nah; just a quite clever "false flag" operation that succeeded way beyond expectations.
James Fields thought he was being trapped among the antifa on the second day and reacted badly. The possibility of something like that is to be expected when you "play with fire," but it is not predictable.
narciso said...
Paging admiral ackbar, however could the backlash be enough to knoch0k put enough GOP moderates endangering the majority, fwiw
11/6/17, 12:24 PM
Maybe so but if this lands, it guts, vivisects, disembowels the Democrats. I can't even imagine the damage it will do.
Following up my comment at 12:19 PM
On the third video at 10:08, the man making the video asks someone aloud: "Are they doing a march on Fifth?"
This question indicates that all the protesters -- the pro-right protesters and the anti-right protesters -- were supposed to march north on Fifth Street.
The pro-right protesters indeed did march north on Fifth Street -- which is permanently blocked for vehicle traffic and is open only for pedestrian traffic.
However, the anti-right protesters -- originally following the pro-right protesters -- were diverted north on FOURTH STREET which is a vehicle street with the traffic going one-way south.
The guy who made this video might have known what was going to happen. That is why he began his filming while walking south on Fourth Street so that he could film the car that would block Fields' southward get-away.
Several people filming the event seem to have known what was going to happen on Fourth Street.
buwaya at 12:28 PM
This scenario trusts that the driver will reliably do his part, becoming a martyr, all alone behind the wheel, under stress in a confusing situation. And the man is an acknowledged flake besides.
I think that he told other people in his group (including the FBI informants) that he wanted and intended to drive his car through a group of anti-right protesters, in order to main and kill as many of them as he could.
Fields certainly was an acknowledged flake who certainly did want to become a martyr.
All Fields needed was some guidance -- which was to drive south on Fourth Street when he got a signal to do so.
Not explored in her piece is the significant additional incentive for California/NY/others corporations to shift their HQ's to less costly states.
There are studies....many conclude there are strong incentives to leave high tax places like NYC and CA right now, yet many corporations remain. Some may leave while others won't. The best explanation is taxes are only one component of the decision process.
Remember too not to examine a single aspect of this tax reform package and predict the consequences individually. Taken as a whole there are plusses and minuses that net net may not matter much for many.
At work we're singled out for exclusion on the pass through benefits while adding up the pos/neg on the individual side is a mixed bag where I'm likely worse off but not extremely so.
The other thing my CPA/MST spouse tells me to do is ignore the proposals and wait until there is law and a few opinion briefs.
People aren't robots.
Some are, buwaya. Like rhhardin.
From a liberal elite...
Joyce Carol Oates Verified account
Joyce Carol Oates Retweeted Elaine Showalter
"Wise [of Trump] to eat only in his own faux-luxury hotels. Think of the possibilities for poisoning, if he dared to eat elsewhere."
I don't know.
@mockturtle
Yes, you're correct. I should have written "bin Salman" instead of "Alwaleed".
Why was Brennan Gilmore standing in that spot at that time with a movie camera?
Gilmore had served as the Deputy Chief of Mission at the US Embassy in the Central African Republic. There Gilmore had been "responsible primarily for military affairs, which include the U.S. Special Forces deployment to the eastern Central African Republic and a rotational U.S. Africa Command liaison officer position".
* Does Gilmore live in Charlottesville now?
* If not, when and how far did he travel to Charlottesville?
* Was Gilmore participating in the protests?
* Is Gilmore still a "State Department employee"?
* If not, where and for whom does Gilmore work now?
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-attack-brennan-gilmore-witness-or-accessory-ae-video/
If you're thinking of selling your UW/Iowa Football ticket -- do it today/tomorrow, rather than Friday/Saturday, when the demand will crater.
(Weather)
Weird stuff on the Texas shooting. The day before, there was a post on 4chan by an Antifa group saying to watch out for what would happen in Texas on Sunday, with a picture of a group of guys dressed entirely in black with skull face-masks. Shooter was dressed in all black with a skull face mask.
If the shooter is a leftwing nutjob, media will scub.
Maybe, but since feds already identified Antifa as a domestic terrorist group. Antifa can't rely on government for protection anymore.
Following up my comment at 1:53 PM
Gilmore has published his explanation on Politico.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/21/fake-news-charlottesville-215514
Is it just me, or are Texas police/officials doing their darnedest to avoid giving "kill" credit to the private citizen who took down the church shooter? In the latest, they're even saying now that the shooter pulled a gun on himself while driving 100mph trying to escape Mr. Private Citizen and his volunteer Texas chauffeur.
If they do happen to find a "self-inflicted" bullet wound in the shooter's heart or head, my guess is that that bullet got there well after the fact.
I thought you just said we shouldn't travel any more. To save the earth.
A couple quick comments regarding how Fields got trapped by the Antifa and their communist-front allies. If you do a Google map of 4th and Water Streets in Charlottesville, where the incident occurred, you see that the old Main Street is now a pedestrian mall, closed off for a distance of seven or eight blocks. The pedestrian mall can only be crossed at two points: 2nd street NW, which is one way northbound, and 4th street NE, which is one way southbound. All the other streets -- 1st, 2nd NE, 3rd NE, and 5th NE are closed at Main Street.
Now if you're at Emancipation Park, site of the Robert E. Lee statue, and you want to leave Charlottesville going east or west, then you need to get down to I-64 at either its on-ramp from 5th street SW, or the on-ramp from Monticello. Now if you're local, or spent a lot of time ferrying a son to the U-Va campus, then you'd know that your best bet from the area of Emancipation Park is to go east on Market to 9th NE, then 9th to Monticello. But your navigation system, or a quick look at a map, might very well suggest going south on 4th to Water, then right on Water to Ridge, and either stay on Ridge until it becomes 5th SW or go left on Monticello. But it's easy to close of 4th, a narrow, one-way street, at Water and you're stuck. There's no alley nor any way out until you back all the way up to Market (or the easy to miss alley halfway between Main and Market that connects to 5th NE). Once you're stuck the Antifa thugs start beating on your car until you panic and do something stupid.
Does that sound like a reasonable description of what happened and why there was a car that blocked the intersection of Water with 4th?
No, Unknown, you shouldn't travel. You should stay in mommy's basement.
* Pull Field out of his car and knife him to death.
That would completely negate the positive publicity for the antifa/BLM groups.
The conspiracy was the police/state police not keeping them separated and forcing the Right people to exit through the Left groups, and letting them loose on the streets without a permit. That could have been much more violent and probably did put Fields on edge.
I couldn't figure out the sequence of bat-blows on the car (which can sound like gunshots) and his acceleration, but I imagine we'll hear what the lawyers/CSI figure out.
Big Mike at 3:29 PM
But it's easy to close off 4th, a narrow, one-way street, at Water and you're stuck. .... Once you're stuck the Antifa thugs start beating on your car until you panic and do something stupid.
Does that sound like a reasonable description of what happened and why there was a car that blocked the intersection of Water with 4th?
No.
The van stood still at the intersection of Fourth Street and Water Street for at least five minutes -- long before the van was surrounded by the anti-right protesters. Until those protesters arrived, the van could have driven off.
Watch the videos.
The van was placed there in the expectation that the anti-right protesters would march east on Water Street and then be diverted north onto Fourth Street -- instead of onto Fifth Street. While the anti-right protesters were marching north on Fourth Street, they would surround the parked van.
Then Fields would receive his signal, and he would drive south on Fourth Street into the crowd of anti-right protesters. The parked van, however, would prevent Fields from continuing southward on his get-away.
While Field was blocked, a couple of big thugs would pull Field out of his car and knife him to death.
Field foiled this plan, however, by driving backwards north on Fourth Street, and he made his get-away in that direction.
Ralph L at 3:38 PM
That [knifing Fields to death when his southward get-away was blocked by the van] would completely negate the positive publicity for the antifa/BLM groups.
Fields was a known and sincere racist. His motives for attending the event and for driving into the crowd were clear.
Fields did not have to stay alive in order for racists to be blamed.
Fields had to be knifed to death so that he never would tell how he was told to drive south on Fourth Street as soon as he received his signal.
Since Fields survived the event, provocation's organizers have a huge problem.
Question: Who told Fields to drive south on Fourth Street and signaled him when to start driving?
Answer: The same people who arranged for the anti-right protesters to be diverted north on Fourth Street instead of continuing to Fifth Street and turning north there.
That's why Fields was supposed to be pulled out of his car and be knifed to death when his southward get-away was blocked by the van.
"Field foiled this plan, however, by driving backwards north on Fourth Street, and he made his get-away in that direction."
Which is one of many problems with such a "plan".
Such a detailed plan depending on the whims of one unstable person is extremely implausible.
Big Mike at 3:29 PM
The pedestrian mall can only be crossed at two points: 2nd street NW, which is one way northbound, and 4th street NE, which is one way southbound. All the other streets -- 1st, 2nd NE, 3rd NE, and 5th NE are closed at Main Street.
That is what people have to understand.
Fourth Street was the only street in the vicinity where cars could drive south. All the surrounding north-south streets were pedestrian-only streets.
The pro-right protesters marched north on FIFTH STREET -- a pedestrian-only street.
The anti-right protesters were diverted north onto FOURTH STREET, which was a vehicle street with one-way traffic going south. In other words, the anti-right protesters were diverted into the face of oncoming vehicle traffic.
As the big crowd began walking north, Fields received his signal to drive south into the crowd. The only street in the vicinity where Field could have done so was FOURTH STREET.
Watch the videos and study the streets' layout and the groups' movements.
The diversion of the anti-right protesters north onto FOURTH STREET into the face of on-coming vehicle traffic was done so that Fields could drive into their crowd.
Gee, I wonder what changed?
An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been "grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.
The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.
The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/358982-early-comey-memo-accused-clinton-of-gross-negligence-on-emails
@Mike Sylvester, unless the van was deliberately parked there by antifa sympathizers as part of an effort to trap cars driving south on 4th. My take is that the antifa came looking for trouble and were looking for cars driven by men in white polo shirts with short haircuts. The van was the cork in the mouth of the funnel.
Big Mike at 4:56
unless the van was deliberately parked there by antifa sympathizers as part of an effort to trap cars driving south on 4th
The van was parked there to prevent Fields from continuing to drive south in his get-away.
Watch the three videos in this order:
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsK0dpyu4g
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBfjIDriYw
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHIrLb7xxM
cf said...
. . . But I was coming on here to share a current question/rumination wondering:
You might like to read David Gelernter who thinks a lot about computers and civilization and art. One remark he made: If you got up high in Paris (such as up the Eiffel Tower) you saw how the city was laid out. But if you got up "high" above the internet, it became an intricate swirl impossible to map in any way. Sometimes I think that if you could eliminate the repetition, the Facebook forwarding etc., perhaps a pattern would emerge. I mean go backward from Twitter storm to Twitter source, then wipe out all storm links, then back to source of Twitter source and back of that and back - always striking out repetition. Maybe it will be all troll farms and political campaigns; maybe it's always 10 professors reading a book.
I may still have, somewhere, a "map" of the internet ca 1992 or so.
It was a magazine insert, I want to say PC Mag.
Maybe the last time one could map it.
Big Mike at 4:56
unless the van was deliberately parked there by antifa sympathizers as part of an effort to trap cars driving south on 4th
On second thought, I want to give you a better answer than I did at 5:19 PM.
The pro-right group had a permit to protest near the Confederate statue in a park.
Except for a small, secret group, nobody had any idea that the protesters eventually would move to the vicinity of far-away Fourth Street.
Despite the permit, the protest was suddenly canceled. The pro-right group was pushed out of the park.
Then all the protesters -- pro-right and anti-right -- were guided through a meandering path that led them to Water Street -- instead of going directly to Main Street.
Once they were on Water Street, they were positioned so that they had to turn north to get to Main Street.
It seems that both groups -- the pro-right and the anti-right -- were informed informally that they should march east on Water Street and then turn north onto pedestrian-only Fifth Street and then disperse beyond Main Street. That is what the pro-right group actually did.
However, when the anti-right group reached Fourth Street, that group was suddenly diverted north onto Fourth Street -- which was open for vehicles (i.e. Fields) driving south directly at them. The anti-right group did not follow the pro-right group's path to Fifth Street.
Only a very small, secret group of people knew that there should be some reason to park a van at the south end of Fourth Street, at its intersection with Water Street. Most people had no idea that anything at all might happen there.
The protest was supposed to be in the park, near the Confederate Statue -- far away from Water Street and from Fourth and Fifth Streets.
The protesters were guided like ignorant sheep to Water Street.
Shortly after the anti-right protesters were diverted north onto Fourth Street, Fields was give a signal to start driving south on Fourth Street, into the crowd.
he third video ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHIrLb7xxM
... was made by an unknown man who might have known what was going to happen on Fourth Street -- which was far away from the park where the protest was supposed to happen according to the permit.
This man begins his video by walking south on Fourth Street, toward Water Street.
How did he know to walk in that direction? At that time, most of the protesters were to his west. In general, that part of Fourth Street was empty.
He walks right past the street-blocking van and the big goons (knives in their pockets) standing near the street-blocking van.
When he reached Water Street, it too was generally empty.
As it turned out, the intersection of Fourth Street and Water Street was the optimal place to go and film -- but how did he know that beforehand?
" so that he never would tell how he was told to drive south on Fourth Street as soon as he received his signal. "
My understanding was that his car was attacked and he tried to escape by driving south.
I'm not sure his cooperation was needed.
Mike Sylvester, you are reasoning from the perspective that Fields was a perpetrator, part of a conspiracy to kill as many antifa as possible after they were herded up 4th Street. I find that scenario to be utterly implausible. I believe that antifa coordinated with communist front organizations to deliberately block the intersection of 4th and Water, expecting to trap one or more of the neo-Nazi demonstrators in from out of town. Keep in mind that the march to Emancipation Park was planned by a former leader of the Occupy movement who certainly coordinated with antifa and Governor McAuliffe. The antifa thugs were alerted to look for cars with out of state license plates wearing white polo shirts and khaki slacks ( this “uniform” was, you may remember, suggested by the March organizer). But instead of letting himself get beaten into unconsciousness, Field tromped his accelerator hoping to ram his way past the cars in front of him.
I don’t know whether you’re convinced, Mr. Sylvester, but once one realized that the entire march, including McAuliffe’s order to the police to stand down and let the two sides come to blows, and even the press reaction to Trump’s remarks, were scripted ahead of time, then the rest follows logically.
Sorry. Almost forget. Now you know how he knew. Because he knew where the trap was.
Big Mike at 7:35
I believe that antifa coordinated with communist front organizations to deliberately block the intersection of 4th and Water, expecting to trap one or more of the neo-Nazi demonstrators in from out of town.
The neo-Nazi demonstrators walked far ahead of the antifa demonstrators on Water Street.
The neo-Nazi demonstrators walked past Fourth Street and turned north on Fifth Street.
The antifa demonstrators were stopped at Fourth Street, so they turned north on Fourth Street.
Watch the three videos in this order.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsK0dpyu4g
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBfjIDriYw
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHIrLb7xxM
I don’t know whether you’re convinced, Mr. Sylvester, but once one realized that the entire march, including McAuliffe’s order to the police to stand down and let the two sides come to blows, and even the press reaction to Trump’s remarks, were scripted ahead of time, then the rest follows logically.
I agree with this.
Michael K at 6:43 PM
My understanding was that his car was attacked and he tried to escape by driving south.
On Fourth Street -- a one-way street going south -- Fields drove south from Market Street, past Main Street, toward Water Street.
As he neared Water Street, he deliberately drove into the crowd of anti-right protesters who were walking north. His car hit a car, which hit another car, and all three cars moved onto Water Street.
Fields could not continue driving south, however, because that way was blocked by the two cars and by the crowd. Therefore Fields drove backward all the way back up to Market Street in order to make his get-away.
Go to the second video ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBfjIDriYw
... and watch
* from 14:30 to 16:30
and
* from 21:00 to 21:15
You will see how the antifa protesters were stopped at Fourth Street and then were diverted north onto Fourth Street. A few seconds later -- as the crowd began walking north, Fields drove his car into the crowd.
I've lost track of whom your conspiracy is supposed to help, and it sounds like you have, too.
Fields kills an antifa or two > helps Left, as it did
Antifa then kills Fields > helps alt-Right or evens the score
I'm leaning toward Fields gunning it impulsively after a baseball bat hits his car. If he just wanted to mow down some commies, there were other, more lucrative avenues.
The press couldn't have known what Trump was going to say, though they are obviously always looking to pounce, whether it's justifiable or not. The disgusting part is how many Republicans fell for their deception.
@Ralph, I believe that no matter what Donald Trump said, the media reaction would be that it didn’t go fsf enough to condemn the neo-Nazis. Have you never noticed how every once in a while the media response to something a bit off? As though they agreed ahead of time that he would do X and the uniform response would be Y but he did something a bit different from X and they responded Y anyway? Sorry if this all seems a bit abstract but I am a mathematician after all.
Anyway, if you look closely you’ll see that this is one of those times. They didn’t really react to what Trump did say, they reacted to what they assumed he would say in response to their big of kabuki.
@Mike Sylvester, I haven’t looked at your video but I have looked st three and I think you almost have it right. Fields starts down 4th Street. Just past Main he stops. He sees the crowd and stopped cars ahead. He’s trying to figure out what to do. Right there he parts ways with what I would have done, but back in the 1960s I got caught in a riot and knocked unconscious so my instinct is to haul ass out of the danger and risk legal complications from going the wrong way on a one way street. But he’s still thinking about it or perhaps he figures — wrongly — that the mob will disperse if he waits long enough. He’s young; young people make mistakes. Then his car is attacked— there’s no question about that, one of the videos I’ve seen clearly show his car being attacked with clubs before he accelerates south. Perhaps he thought he could push the stopped cars out of the way with his and that the mob would scatter. Probably he wasn’t thinking much at all, just in a blind state of panic.
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