Althouse: "All of us, including me, are coming to a newer and deeper recognition of the pain caused by conduct in the past, and have come to a profound new respect for women and their lives."

November 21, 2017

"All of us, including me, are coming to a newer and deeper recognition of the pain caused by conduct in the past, and have come to a profound new respect for women and their lives."

First-class bullshit from Charlie Rose.

60 comments:

M Jordan said...: All of us, including liddle ol’ me, are coming to a newer and deeper understanding of what a douchebag Charlie Rose and always has been.; 11/21/17, 6:38 PM
gspencer said...: All these purgative statements summarized,

"I am so sorry,

THAT I GOT CAUGHT AND THAT I'M BEING CALLED OUT!"; 11/21/17, 6:38 PM
Jaq said...: Ha, from your Charlie Rose tag, 2013

RUSH: Here's Charlie Rose. And listen to Charlie. He had to wrap up the interview with the women on his show today with Gayle King, and they were talking about the new feminism. Here's what Charlie Rose said that men have to do.

ROSE: It is incumbent on men to appreciate more and to do more and have the same responsibilities that women do.

RUSH: I just sit here, my mouth just falls open. Will you play that again? It is up to men to understand more, to do more, to explain more, to say more, to feel more, to touch more, to be more, to be fully respected and understood so that women will go to bed with us, is what he means.; 11/21/17, 6:38 PM
Jaq said...: The thing about Charlie Rose is that there are probably a shit ton of hot 40. year old women who would have been proud to go out with him, and take care of his needs. Tons of them. It's about something different than sex. Maybe it's whatever that line in Moonstrck was about being afraid of death.; 11/21/17, 6:41 PM
David Smith said...: Not gonna miss him one bit. Not one bit.

When chickens come home to roost they be chickens, they sh*t on everything.; 11/21/17, 6:43 PM
dreams said...: I was never a fan.; 11/21/17, 6:51 PM
Mary Beth said...: I don't believe that the average man thinks that just because a female employee or co-worker is nice to him, that it means she wants to see him naked/get groped by him/have sex with him. Is there some ego thing going on with people who seek jobs where they get a lot of public attention that makes them mistake politeness for lust?; 11/21/17, 6:53 PM
rhhardin said...: It's all fake, not only the apologies. The apologies happen within a larger fakeness of the whole hysteria.

The idea that the scandal is real and the apology is fake misses everything.; 11/21/17, 6:54 PM
Curtiss said...: After reading his odd and meaningless statement, I began aiming my thoughts at the impurity of Charlie Rose.; 11/21/17, 6:56 PM
rhhardin said...: What's common to the celebrities and famous is that lots of women throw themselves at them. They get temptations that the average guy does not, so the average guy is a lot more likely to be a gentleman in real life than the celebrity.

The hysteria is about a tendency that almost every man controls that the sorely tempted men do not. Not really about the sorely tempted men but all men, which is how every woman relates to it and it's great ratings. Hence its persistence.

But also its damage. The millions of untempted men see it as about them, for having tendencies that they nevertheless control.

Hence a probable fuck-you reaction from those men.; 11/21/17, 6:59 PM
rhhardin said...: Nothing can be gentle that is not strong.; 11/21/17, 7:00 PM
Michael K said...: Leftist men think they have been immunized by agreeing with feminism and all those other icky men.

If I wear footie PJs I am safe.; 11/21/17, 7:00 PM
Bill, Republic of Texas said...: That's first class bullshit? I'd hate to see some thrown together bullshit.; 11/21/17, 7:01 PM
Jay Vogt said...: . . . . sorry, it's just second class bullshit.

Lecture first, then a lame kinda apology When will they ever learn?

It's too bad, I kinda liked his interview show. He was too clever by half in most of his remarks, however even though you could see it was a struggle, he did let his guests give long form answers.; 11/21/17, 7:01 PM
MikeR said...: "profound new respect for women" and their unsuspected power to crush him; 11/21/17, 7:07 PM
Big Mike said...: I think Jay Vogt is right — what do you mean “all of us,” Kemosabe? Some of us have always known not to do what Rose used to get away with.; 11/21/17, 7:09 PM
Earnest Prole said...: Hey baby, you’re gonna dig every inch of my Profound New Respect.; 11/21/17, 7:12 PM
rhhardin said...: Women can only crush you if you work for an organization that fears women, e.g. has women as its target audience.; 11/21/17, 7:12 PM
Robert Cook said...: He's always been a first class bull-shitter.

You'd think he'd have enough sense just to lay low and keep his yap shut for a change.; 11/21/17, 7:15 PM
Darrell said...: If I only knew touching a woman's junk uninvited was wrong. Who knew? I mean our ancestors did, but that was so long ago.; 11/21/17, 7:18 PM
Robert Cook said...: "Is there some ego thing going on with people who seek jobs where they get a lot of public attention that makes them mistake politeness for lust?"

Probably. Or, over time, all the attention paid to these men, all the money and social privileges they accrue due to their prominence, success, and visibility, warps their perception of appropriate behavioral limits. They come to believe all they want they should--and will--have, even if by offensive means.; 11/21/17, 7:20 PM
Fritz said...: Blogger rhhardin said...
What's common to the celebrities and famous is that lots of women throw themselves at them. They get temptations that the average guy does not, so the average guy is a lot more likely to be a gentleman in real life than the celebrity.

Supposedly it was Erol Flynn who said he didn't pay prostitutes for sex, he paid them to go away when they were done.; 11/21/17, 7:21 PM
cronus titan said...: Mother of God, that is some terrible bullshit. Quality bullshit recognizes the wrong while disclaiming responsibility. This is an example of quality bullshit:

Mr. Lippman: "I'm going to get right to the point. It has come to my attention that you and the cleaning woman have engaged in sexual intercourse on the desk in your office. Is that correct?"
George: "Who said that?"
Mr. Lippman: "She did."
George: (pauses for a few seconds) "Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time."

Rose should have had the decency to bullshit well. He can learn a lot from George Costanza.; 11/21/17, 7:31 PM
David Begley said...: Total creep and loser. Glad he is gone.; 11/21/17, 7:32 PM
Sebastian said...: @rh: "It's all fake" Is there anything progs don't lie about?

The "all of us" is just the sort of patronizing-by-inferiors prog smear you'd expect.

But the "profound new respect" is a tell of sorts.; 11/21/17, 7:38 PM
LakeLevel said...: About 15 years ago, I thought he had a great show. In retrospect, it was all style, having great guests and letting those guests talk. The dark background, heavily echo muted background noise and Charlie's great voice were unique at the time. Also he had the only show where people could tell a whole story or an entire idea and his only questions he asked in these was basically "tell me more about that". Other than his voice, there is nothing particularly appealing about Charlie Rose. For some reason, about 10 years ago, I never watched anything he did again.; 11/21/17, 7:48 PM
Jay Vogt said...: a genuine apology (which sounds even better if you happen to mean it goes something like thIs:

MOMENT OF RESPECTFUL SILENCE AND PERSONAL CONNECTION.

"I am sorry for ___________( insert terse specific transgression). I did that, and that was all on me. It came from a part of me that I'm ashamed of, because I let my ______________ (insert one of the seven deadly sins here) take control of my actions. I'm diminished by that. And, sought to diminish you. If i can think of way to partially right that wrong, I'm going to, regardless of your notice.

I'm going to try to listen to my better angels in the future, and I would be grateful if you would give me a chance to show you that because I think you are terrific and it will be my loss I can't repair our relationship."

FULL STOP

I've had practice; 11/21/17, 7:50 PM
Hagar said...: And you should have heard Norah O'Donnell and Gayle King tonight; they had had absolutely no idea that anything like that was going on right there undr their very noses!; 11/21/17, 7:54 PM
Jaq said...: "Profound new respect" is only for Republicans who turn on their own party.; 11/21/17, 7:55 PM
Chuck said...: tim in vermont said...
"Profound new respect" is only for Republicans who turn on their own party.

Wow; think about that statement.
Pot, meet kettle. Pot, meet SteveBannonRushLimbaughSeanHannityRoyMoore.; 11/21/17, 8:00 PM
n.n said...: The lost me at Pro-Choice. Debasing human life in pursuit of wealth, pleasure, leisure, and Democratic leverage has progressive consequences.; 11/21/17, 8:01 PM
Chuck said...: Darrell said...
If I only knew touching a woman's junk uninvited was wrong. Who knew? I mean our ancestors did, but that was so long ago.

"You can grab 'em by the pussy..."; 11/21/17, 8:01 PM
Jaq said...: Ha ha ha! Jeeze Chuck, you never heard that one before? Ask McCain about it. The problem is it only lasts until you run against a Democrat.; 11/21/17, 8:02 PM
Chuck said...: An honest question: what is worse, the bullshit of Charlie Rose (and I very much agree with Althouse that it is bullshit) in relation to his accusers, or the complete denials/empty lawsuit threats from Donald Trump in relation to his accusers?; 11/21/17, 8:04 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “An honest question: what is worse, the bullshit of Charlie Rose (and I very much agree with Althouse that it is bullshit) in relation to his accusers, or the complete denials/empty lawsuit threats from Donald Trump in relation to his accusers?”

One is bullshit, the other is a lying sack of shit.; 11/21/17, 8:14 PM
Mark said...: All of us, including me . . .

So, you are going to project your depravity upon everyone else.

In fact, many of us have espoused virtue, including the virtue of chastity and gentlemanly behavior, only to be belittled, attacked and told to shut up and keep it to ourselves.; 11/21/17, 8:16 PM
Mark said...: An honest question: . . .

That too is a bunch of bullshit. There is NOTHING honest about that question coming from you. It is entirely pretense in order to engage once again in your stalker obsession with Trump.; 11/21/17, 8:23 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/21/17, 8:29 PM
FullMoon said...: "Is there some ego thing going on with people who seek jobs where they get a lot of public attention that makes them mistake politeness for lust?"

Looking at percentages, I would imagine asshole celebrities no worse than general population assholes.

Assholes in high school taking date to drive in movie had a saying "Put out or get out". Of course, they were probably lying.

These type of guys are the same ones who became men who would have no qualms bruising up a woman to "show her what it feels like". Like Chuck.; 11/21/17, 8:33 PM
Jaq said...: ne is bullshit, the other is a lying sack of shit.

I would just like to thank the Democrats again for offering such a fine alternative to Trump. Think about how much you loathe Trump, That's how much a large tranche of America loathed Clinton. We told you guys that for years. You ran her anyway. That's how you got Trump.; 11/21/17, 8:34 PM
rcocean said...: The standard Left-wing non-apology "apology". Apologize for everything but admit nothing specific. Charlie Rose, Al Franken, and the NYT guy all seem to have the same lawyer.

We see now why "Charlie" was such an "advocate" for women. Must be nice being "the King" surrounded by your submissive female staff that may watch you "shower" once and a while.; 11/21/17, 8:43 PM
donald said...: I wonder if he knew it was all over Sunday?; 11/21/17, 8:46 PM
rcocean said...: You see guys like Rose in Corporate America all the time.

They pose as "Women's Advocates" but all they really want is a harem.; 11/21/17, 8:46 PM
Etienne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/21/17, 9:07 PM
Archilochus said...: In moments like these, tempted to gloat in the now-publicized moral failings of so many, I recall Jonathan Edwards and his humbling words on grace and the state of those outside it: "You probably are not sensible of this; you find you are kept out of hell, but do not see the hand of God in it; but look at other things, as the good state of your bodily constitution, your care of your own life, and the means you use for your own preservation. But indeed these things are nothing; if God should withdraw his hand, they would avail no more to keep you from falling, than the thin air to hold up a person that is suspended in it."; 11/21/17, 9:39 PM
n.n said...: the virtue of chastity and gentlemanly behavior, only to be belittled

Yes. Shaming the good girls who resisted "casting couch" relationships, the "wait until marriage" women, was all the liberal rage not three decades ago.; 11/21/17, 9:40 PM
Anonymous said...: "All of us, including me, are coming to a newer and deeper recognition of the pain caused by missing possessive goes here conduct in the past..."; 11/21/17, 9:58 PM
The Vault Dweller said...: I used to enjoy his PBS show, it was nice to have a longer form interview than what we are normally exposed to. I don't know if men not respecting women is the issue. It sounds nice, but I doubt it is a lack of respect for women specifically that lead some of these men to act the way they do. I think it is closer to they just don't know any better.

Now there could be something to say that men lack a certain amount of empathy when it comes to these situations. My guess is that lots of men just don't understand how uncomfortable some women are with the situations the men put them in. I think that is closer to what we saw with Louis CK and with Charlie Rose. Probably the same with Al Franken.; 11/21/17, 10:09 PM
The Vault Dweller said...: "Yes. Shaming the good girls who resisted "casting couch" relationships, the "wait until marriage" women, was all the liberal rage not three decades ago."

I suspect that a good amount of the virtues of chastity and gentlemanly courtship are missed now. And I suspect that some a realizing that that this virtues weren't some arbirtary fiat dictated to protect men's ownership interest in women blah blah whatever nonsense some people cooked up. Something tells me lots of people are going to realize that old fashioned values and traditions became traditions because they worked, more often than not. Men and women do have different expectations in regards to sex and relationships. While this isn't universal it is probably widespread enough that it should be considered the default way of things unless the two people involved agree otherwise.; 11/21/17, 10:14 PM
Drago said...: "Bowe Bergdahl Republican" Chuck: "An honest question..."

LOL; 11/21/17, 10:16 PM
steve uhr said...: It is Important to distinguish the assholes eg Rose, CK, Franken, from the criminals, eg Spacey, Clinton, Weinstein, Moore. Trump is somewhere in the middle; 11/21/17, 10:20 PM
glenn said...: “And you should have heard Norah O'Donnell and Gayle King tonight; they had had absolutely no idea that anything like that was going on right there undr their very noses!”

Perfect. And You know what. I’ll bet everybody at CBS News knew exactly what ol’ Charlie was up to. I’m coming around to thinking a date with Rose was like a fraternity initiation.

“Let’s see if the new chick has what it takes. If naked Charlie doesn’t send her screaming for the exit she might make it at CBS”; 11/21/17, 10:28 PM
William said...: He will never make it back.The offenses weren't grotesque or illegal, but there were too many of them. He's too old to wait for the next swing of the pendulum, but he's just the right age for the next turn of the screw........I wonder if he'll take anyone with him as he sinks. It does seem that all those hard nosed, investigative reporters should have noticed that something was amiss....Smart move hiring a woman producer. She provided excellent cover. Getting chummy with Nora and Gayle worked too. Here, at last, was a man women could trust. The interns probably felt safe and comfortable in his presence.; 11/21/17, 11:08 PM
Drago said...: Steve Uhr: "Trump is somewhere in the middle"

LOL

Sure he is Steve. Sure he is.; 11/21/17, 11:45 PM
Achilles said...: steve uhr said...
It is Important to distinguish the assholes eg Rose, CK, Franken, from the criminals, eg Spacey, Clinton, Weinstein, Moore. Trump is somewhere in the middle

If you shit in one hand and hold all of the credible accusers of Trump in the other...; 11/22/17, 1:22 AM
Darrell said...: .
I remember when Chuck starred in "Two Girls, One Cup." The wig stayed on, if I recall.; 11/22/17, 3:16 AM
FIDO said...: And you should have heard Norah O'Donnell and Gayle King tonight; they had had absolutely no idea that anything like that was going on right there undr their very noses!

1) This really calls into question how good a seek of truth they actually are that they cannot see things happening right next to them on a daily basis

which leads to

2) What makes you think that Norah O'Donnell wasn't a recipient of his advances...if not a beneficiary of the same.

Ahem.

Which is one of the things that probably has Ms. Althouse and other Fems foaming at the mouth...now any girl who is above a 6 in looks in the industry has her claims to competency and credibility called into question every time one of these icons in media come down.; 11/22/17, 3:45 AM
FIDO said...: Recalling the gorgeous Ms. O'Donnell, I went to her wiki page to see how long she had been married when THIS caught my eye:

Title: Anchor (As of November 20, 2017 after Charlie Rose Suspension

I have a little theory of exactly where these allegations came from...

Wonder if this is part of the reason this is so much more widely occurring: a tactic seized upon.; 11/22/17, 3:55 AM
David said...: “It has taken 10 years and a fierce moment of cultural reckoning for me to understand these moments for what they were,” she told the Post. “He was a sexual predator, and I was his victim.”

--a quote from one of his targets.

More profound thought from an "elite."; 11/22/17, 6:11 AM
Tom said...: Understanding how telling an ill-timed, dirty joke might make others feel uncomfortable. Walking around naked and grabbing genitalia has been and still is assault.; 11/22/17, 1:25 PM