October 29, 2017

I record all the Sunday morning political talk shows, but I don't know if I'll be able to stand to watch even part of any of them.

I'm going to try. I'll let you know. But I don't want to listen to people guessing about the Mueller indictment. What are the other topics they might decide to fill the time with? I have no hope that any of it will be watchable. Political television is pretty awful. It seems that those who make the decisions about how the allotted time will be spent believe the spending of time on a subject says something about its importance and is, in fact, what's most important, overriding whether any of the words add much of anything.

I prefer print because I can instantly see where the headlines are placed on the front page and how long the articles are, and I can skim or jump to whatever I want. TV has no respect for your time and your autonomy. I try to get control by recording everything and jumping forward, but with these news talk shows, I find I'm speeding through everything and there's no significant difference from not watching at all. It's as though I just like the theoretical possibility of watching. But why?

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Curious George said...

Althouse: "I find I'm speeding through everything and there's no significant difference from not watching at all."

Nevertheless, she persisted.

Michael The Magnificent said...

What are the other topics they might decide to fill the time with?

Mueller, Rosenstein, Hillary, and Bill colluding with the Russians on Uranium One?

Or Fusion GPS, Hillary, the DNC colluding with Russia to produce the piss-gate 'dossier'?

Ha ha, I kid, I kid. They'll talk about Impeaching Trump.

Chuck said...

MTP led with a great, substantive interview with Sen. Rob Portman. Which left the film clips of Donald Trump sounding like a cartoon character. Followed by Sen. Claire McAskill, following up the discussion on taxes.

I missed part of Fox News Sunday, but I didn't see much about Mueller.

What you were anticipating/fearing doesn't seem to be happening too much this morning.

mockturtle said...

With the internet, we have newspapers from all over the world to inform us. TV pundits have become irrelevant and obsolete.

Bob Boyd said...

It's hard to watch church on TV if you're not a believer.
Those who are get some comfort hearing the folks with nice hair talk about the judgements and the joys to come.

Yancey Ward said...

Pundits have been revealed as irrelevant and obsolete.

FTFY.

Ann Althouse said...

"MTP led with a great, substantive interview with Sen. Rob Portman."

What made it "great"? You make it just sound like he looked good and spoke well, unlike Trump. I'm sick of that sort of thing.

Rob said...

Not only does TV have no respect for your time and autonomy, it's also watching you through the screen and listening to your thoughts.

Jimmy said...

For me, one hour of skimming a newspaper conveys far more information than one hour of TV could ever do, regardless of format.

And one hour skimming the Internet inevitably leads to cat videos.

Yancey Ward said...

Bob Boyd wrote:

"It's hard to watch church on TV if you're not a believer."

Amen.

Yancey Ward said...

Let me take a guess without watching the Rob Portman bit:

Portman was asked about and talked about Jeff Flake and Bob Corker. A small bit of the interview talked about tax reform.

Dude1394 said...

They are bogus as all get out. You are better off ignoring them.

gg6 said...

Couldn't agree with you more, Althouse. And it's much the same shite in print but, as u say, we still maintain some human control as readers not viewers. But it's Sunday so I suppose we could view an NFL game...oh, wait...
But in the meantime, TV or Print, we are meant to breathlessly await hearing who Mueller has picked to intimidate into being his informer....such is justice these days in the DOJ.

mockturtle said...

"It's hard to watch church on TV if you're not a believer."

Or even if you are.

mockturtle said...

Pundits have been revealed as irrelevant and obsolete.

FTFY.


Yes, thank you, Yancey!

Guildofcannonballs said...

Sunday news shows: a form of the Dalrymple theory that forcing* people to absorb obvious bullshit gives joy to the enforcers.

*if they are Muggeridge-watching the medium

roesch/voltaire said...

I agree I don't think they will look closely at all the different ways the Trump administration/congress is hurting the middle class from protecting preatory private schools like Trump University to elimating the ability of small time investors to take class action law suits against banks who rip them of like Wells Fargo and on it goes with the usually approved voices to spin out the usual story.

David Begley said...

Trey Gowdy interiewed by Chris Wallace is worthwhile.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Chuck said..."MTP led with a great, substantive interview with Sen. Rob Portman."

The theme of the opening segment was Disunity in the GOP.

That was great, Chuck. {/sarc}

Apparently, Chuck (hmmm...) Todd hasn't heard this week's news regarding the Democrat collusion with Russia. This is my shocked face.

rehajm said...

Propaganda.

cronus titan said...

I briefly stopped at MTP this morning. They talked about the speculative indictment with barely contained glee. Not one word about the DNC and Clinton campaign funding of the dossier or the Uranium One fiasco although they did mock the idea that the Democratic Party may be implicated. Of course, if you ignore any evidence showing your narrative may be inaccurate or incomplete, it is easy to mock anyone not in your circle.

To demonstrate how crazy it has become, on hte MTP segment I saw, Chris Matthews (!) cautioned taht we are still in a populist rising and Trump should not be sold short. WHen Matthews if your voice of reason, that is a strong sign that the show is worthless.

THe Sunday shows is propoganda at its finest. Nearly every host is a former Democratic Party political operative and its guests are Democratic party operatives or "Republicans" like Chuck who spend their time saying that Republicans are awful human beings.

Ken B said...

Chuck is the type who would have voted for Harding because he looked like a president. He would have voted for George McClellan too, for the same reason. John Edwards too.

David said...

"But why?"

If you don't attend a social event you expect to be dreadful, nevertheless there is sometimes that lingering sense that something interesting might have happened.

WisRich said...

I don't know how reliable Buzzfeed is but they are reporting this morning the indictments center around 13 wire transfers made from various global companies in which Manafort has an association with in the years.....get this.....2012/2013.

Take it for what it's worth.

rcommal said...

Don't do it on my behalf, Althouse. If I choose to watch 'em, I will. If don't choose to watch 'em, I won't. Nothing has changed in that way.

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Anyhoo.

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Howsabout a nice game of listening to/watching a Golden Oldie instead?



Don't do it on my behalf, Althouse. If I choose to watch 'em, I will. If don't choose to watch 'em, I won't. Nothing has changed in that way.

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Anyhoo.

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Howsabout a nice game of listening to/watching a Golden Oldie instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHaX55wG0Y

David said...

John Edwards looked like a sharper trial lawyer, which is what he is.

David said...

I hear he's going to indict a chicken sandwich, just to put terror in everyone.

AllenS said...

If he indicts a chicken sandwich, just imagine the fear of a ham sandwich.

Original Mike said...

Watching MTP in real-time right now (though I'm about to turn it off). cronus titan is right. They spent 30 seconds ridiculing the thought that there was Democrat malfeasance without addressing in any way what that might be and then moved on. Incredible.

CStanley said...

I caught a bit of Adam Schiff being interviewed by Stephanopolous.

What stood out was his response about what had been verified as true in the dossier (after acknowledging that there were some things that had been proven false.) His answer was that Steele had "discovered" that the Russians were trying to collude with Trump's campaign before our intelligence agencies knew that, and that some of that had been borne out. So, yeah, Steele knew this, maybe because he was in league with the people who were setting it up?

Also, without being asked he purposely pivoted to Uranium One, and quickly got to the point that there was something nefarious about Trump asking DOJ to overturn the gag order on the witness. Stephanopolous joined in on the response and t was very obvious that this was a talking point that Schiff had been sent out to distribute.

Ralph L said...

Was the ham sandwich saying intended to be anti-Semitic?

tcrosse said...

If he indicts a chicken sandwich, just imagine the fear of a ham sandwich.

I heard it on Press the Meat.

buwaya said...

I thought it was traditional to indict ham sandwiches, not chicken.

Anyway, I gave up on the political talk shows when Robert Novak left. When they had guys like that around there was always the prospect of the old fun of the dialectic.

William said...

Sometimes I tune in when the news is embarrassing to Dems. My hope is that they'll be contrite or squirm a little, but it never happens. They'll either ignore the embarrassing news or use it as club to pound Trump with.

mockturtle said...

Dave Begley observes: Trey Gowdy interiewed by Chris Wallace is worthwhile.

Trey was my choice for AG. Still is.

Sebastian said...

It's hard to watch TV on TV if you're not a believer.

If you know what I mean.

CStanley said...

Just saw this at NPR:
Dossier Funding Report Upends Politics Of The Imbroglio

So now we aren't dealing with a Russian Collusion Investigation, it's an "Imbroglio". I guess calling it a "Matter" would have been too obvious.

donald said...

Wouldna been if you'd watched.

Chuck said...

Ken B said...
Chuck is the type who would have voted for Harding because he looked like a president. He would have voted for George McClellan too, for the same reason. John Edwards too.

McClellan was a Democrat. No chance. I would certainly have voted for Harding, when the other choices were Cox (D) and Eugene Debs (Socialist).

And about Edwards; I bet that if you searched all of my comments at Althouse about John Edwards, you'd find some of my most scathing language reserved for him.

Wait, no need. I just did it for you. Here's one of my posts from 2014:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/04/john-edwards-comes-full-circle-hes.html?showComment=1397833131783#c6955331762297893856

You've just become today's Asshole of the Day, Ken B.

The Godfather said...

I haven't watched any of the Sunday shows since David Brinkley retired, but my wife and I do watch Good Morning America most days. To the best of my knowledge, Uranium One and the Democrats' connection to Fusion GPS and the "dossier" have never been mentioned on GMA. However, this morning they had George Stephanopolous on to plug his Sunday show, and he referred vaguely to the "Russia stories the Republicans have been pushing to distract attention from the Mueller investigation."

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Matthew Sablan said...

There's so much actual news that comes out, you have to wonder why the talk shows don't want to talk about that when they can speculate that THIS time, they've got Trump.

cronus titan said...

I read the Buzzfeed article. It is detailed and suggests they have a mole on Mueller's team. The details suggest it would have to be an attorney with access to the whole investigation. Buzzfeed has broken a few stories so they may have an informant on Mueller's team. Sessions should investigate who is leaking grand jury information (that'll be the day when Sessions does his job).

What is striking is all these transactions are (1) from 2012-13, with one in 2014, long before the 2016 campaign and zero to do with Trump, and (2) they had already been investigated and dismissed a long time ago but Mueller revived the investigation, suggesting there are serious vulnerabilities with these charges.

If this is all Mueller has, it's pathetic and an obvious ploy to intimidate Manafort.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/fbi-probe-of-paul-manafort-focuses-on-13-suspicious-wire?utm_term=.osgX15Dn8#.huPnXNV1l

Ralph L said...

Chuck, everyone hated Edwards by 2014.

Jack Wayne said...

TV news and commentary is absolutely useless. No matter which channel you watch, they each have about 5 topics per day that are discussed ad infinitum all day. And they’ll rotate out of a couple of them each week and add a couple of new ones. I watch TV news once a week to get the flavor of the day/week that matters to TV people. One hour is sufficient to learn everything they are thinking. I watch the trends and avoid the daily hysteria in a teapot.

Unknown said...

“What made it "great"? You make it just sound like he looked good and spoke well, unlike Trump. I'm sick of that sort of thing.”

Just like the rest of us are sick of people making excuses for him.

CStanley said...

I'm interested to see if "imbroglio" starts appearing in other media sources.

And if so...if this gets any closer to Hillary and Obama, how long until it becomes a kerfuffle?

Chuck said...

Ralph L said...
Chuck, everyone hated Edwards by 2014.

Okay, how about 2012?

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6329595&postID=123873043749130783

Remember, I am responding to a claim that I would have liked to have voted for Edwards.

bgates said...

So far this morning, Chuck has managed over 450 words on children's Halloween costumes, how he imagines Trump picks out children's Halloween costumes, and how stupid Trump supporters spend too much time on Halloween costumes rather than substantive issues. He also had this to say about Sen Portman's discussion of substantive issues on Meet the Press: "great, substantive".

He's also criticized Trump, Trump Jr, said how "the overriding interest of Trumpists is all about how [the cultural] war is messaged, and how it divides", and called another commenter an asshole.

Unknown said...

What bigger more important story is there than when an American President is under investigation for colluding with an adversarial nation? Has it ever before happened in the history of the US? If the news shows wouldn’t cover it, it would be malpractice. However I can understand how it might be depressing and upsetting that it is your President, the one you voted for, defended and made excuses for, would be the object of the investigation.

Fabi said...

"You've just become today's Asshole of the Day, Ken B."

Do you kiss your inflatable girlfriend with that dirty mouth?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

OH for god's sake. You might as well record every episode of Gossip Girl.

Just because they dress up in suits and ties and attempt to access control of the nuclear arsenal doesn't make them important, you realize that, right?

Trump's got that, unfortunately. People say they take him literally instead of importantly. You're doing the same with the shows. It's the "other-politician" equivalent to analyzing every brainfart that he tweets. Only the manipulation effect they do it for is just as boring, if not moreso. And even more pointless.

Unknown said...

“Not one word about the DNC and Clinton campaign funding of the dossier or the Uranium One fiasco although they did mock the idea that the Democratic Party may be implicated.”

Because it’s pure bullshit promulgated by Trump and cohorts to distract from the fact that indictments are coming in the Russia Probe. Of course they mocked it, that’s a normal response.

Kansas City said...

Watched Fox and it was pretty good. Trey Gowdy provided honest and accurate assessment of things related to Mueller. The panels were good because moderator was more assertive than normal, had good discussion and D's were forced to concede issues and not get away with talking points. Kasich did his usual schtick, which is old but not bad - trying to set himself up for 2020. Pretty good feature on new movie about military.

cronus titan said...

Cut the crap Unknown. Allegations of a President colluding with a foreign power are as old as the Republic. George Washington was accused of colluding with the French to avoid a war with Britain. Adams was accused of colluding with the British. Jefferson with the French. More recently, Clinton was accused of colluding with the Chinese to fund his 1996 campaign. Reagan and Bush were accused of colluding with the Iranians to delay the release of hostages until after the 1980 campaign. Outside of the insane fever swamps, people recognized it as insane conspiracy theories. The only difference here is that this President is despised by people within the government who have the ability, willingness and motive to bring down the US government. THe story may be much bigger -- this whole fiasco was engineered by a failed Presidential campaign, with the support of our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, with deeper ties than the ones they are accusing.

mockturtle said...

With Hillary, it was only 'files'. With Trump, it's 'dossiers'.

Unknown said...

“Cut the crap Unknown. Allegations of a President colluding with a foreign power are as old as the Republic.”

Of course the fact that the POTUS May be a Russian Asset is just fine with him. Russia is not our ally dummy. Where did patriotism go?

Kansas City said...

Agree only way to approach it is record all three and, if you have time, cherry pick what might be interesting. Much much better than sitting there watching.

Original Mike said...

"Because it’s pure bullshit promulgated by Trump and cohorts ..."

Huh? I thought Perkins Coie admitted to funding Steele with Hillary and DNC money.

Chuck said...

Kansas City said...
Watched Fox and it was pretty good. Trey Gowdy provided honest and accurate assessment of things related to Mueller. The panels were good because moderator was more assertive than normal, had good discussion and D's were forced to concede issues and not get away with talking points...

I agree with that much, and I have always thought that Fox News Sunday was the best.

And what I liked about Gowdy was his prosecutorial discipline; he wants to wait for the investigation to proceed to conclusion.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Of course the fact that the POTUS May be a Russian Asset is just fine with him."

-- Well, so might you. So might I. So might Clinton. So might the cashier at WalMart. Of those I listed, only one do we have public information about accepting money from Russia for political favors though.


"Russia is not our ally dummy."

-- Remember when Romney said Russia was our #1 Geopolitical foe and everyone laughed at him since Russia was on our side? I remember.

cronus titan said...

More crap from Unknown. Now the Washington Post (which reported the story of DNC and Clinton financing the dossier, and FBI and intelligence agencies using it to get FISA warrants and get a special counsel, who by the way is close friends with said FBI leaker and himself involved in Uranium One) is a stooge of the Trump campaign and White House.

Unknown, what you’ve just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Chuck said...

Nice thing with FNS (on your local Fox affiliate), is that it gets replayed on the Fox News Channel, two or three times later in the day.

As does MSNBC with MTP.

MaxedOutMama said...

I don't know why. I gave up watching this stuff more than a decade ago. If you stop watching, I guess I won't have any contact with it at all. I can't really figure out why you should watch it, though.

Jay Elink said...

Unknown: "What bigger more important story is there than when an American President is under investigation for colluding with an adversarial nation? Has it ever before happened in the history of the US? "

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Funny...the press has been orgasmic over this gone-nowhere Trump/Russia investigation, when they were absolutely silent when it was revealed that Ted Kennedy sent an emissary to Moscow to urge Yuri Andropov to muck around in our politics in order to defeat Reagan's re-election in 1984.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

Michael K said...

"However I can understand how it might be depressing and upsetting that it is your President,"

Yeah, it's gonna be a bitch when Obama is shown to have been in this up to his hips.

Poor Inga. No heroes left by the time this is over.

Former president Barack Obama’s official campaign organization has directed nearly a million dollars to the same law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS, the firm behind the infamous Steele dossier. Since April of 2016, Obama For America (OFA) has paid over $972,000 to Perkins Coie, records filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) show.

The Washington Post reported last week that Perkins Coie, an international law firm, was directed by both the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to retain Fusion GPS in April of 2016 to dig up dirt on then-candidate Donald Trump. Fusion GPS then hired Christopher Steele, a former British spy, to compile a dossier of allegations that Trump and his campaign actively colluded with the Russian government during the 2016 election. Though many of the claims in the dossier have been directly refuted, none of the dossier’s allegations of collusion have been independently verified. Lawyers for Steele admitted in court filings last April that his work was not verified and was never meant to be made public.


They have anti-depressants for your problem Inga.

Chuck said...

bgates said...
So far this morning, Chuck...
...
...and called another commenter an asshole.

For mindlessly and stupidly assuming that I was a John Edwards supporter based on what, looks?


madAsHell said...

I can't really figure out why you should watch it, though.

She watches the Sunday news show, and creates free time for you to use the Althouse Amazon portal.

Yes, I'm a shameless shill.

Sally Wong said...

Unknown said...
“Not one word about the DNC and Clinton campaign funding of the dossier or the Uranium One fiasco although they did mock the idea that the Democratic Party may be implicated.”

Because it’s pure bullshit promulgated by Trump and cohorts to distract from the fact that indictments are coming in the Russia Probe. Of course they mocked it, that’s a normal response.

$143,000,000.

Even Better.

Time for a real special prosecutor. This one can start indicting real criminals in the FBI including Comey and Mueller, the Clinton campaign, and Obama administration who all clearly colluded with Russia to affect the election.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
OH for god's sake. You might as well record every episode of Gossip Girl.

Exactly.

The only reason to watch the TV media and read the major print media is to find out what their plutocrat globalist owners want the little people to think.

And if you watch one you have seen them all. Even Fox News is on the reservation most of the time.

Unknown said...

“Time for a real special prosecutor. This one can start indicting real criminals in the FBI including Comey and Mueller, the Clinton campaign, and Obama administration who all clearly colluded with Russia to affect the election.”

Good luck with that. It won’t happen because there is no there there. Normal people know this already. But the desperate deplorables must find more fake stories to distract themselves from the fact that they voted for a traitor.

rcocean said...

Judging by some of the old Videos on - or used to be on- Youtube the Sunday used to be serious shows with journalists asking information questions to the newsmakers. The whole point was get Senator X or Ambassador's Y views and comments. (A great example was a 1964 interview with Herbert Hoover).

Today, 1/2 of these show consist of MSM Pundits gassing and giving us their worthless opinions. The other 1/2 is the host asking softball questions (Democrats) or playing Gotcha (Republican). Completely not serious.

In any case, you can read the transcript online in 5 minutes, so why waste 1 hour of your time.

rcocean said...

The guests on these shows make them even more worthless. How many times has McCain or Lindsey Graham been on? 1000?

Neither of these guys are decision makers. They aren't Senate Leaders, Graham isn't even Chairman of an important committee. Yep, we constantly have to know what they think of every issue. You can find Democrats who are just as worthless and who are constantly on.

Absurd.

Ralph L said...

Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for why Russia would want a President Trump?
Keystone
drill baby drill
coal
missile defense
defense budget

They're all daggers to the heart of Putin, as Schumer would say.

wwww said...

has directed nearly a million dollars to the same law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS, the firm behind the infamous Steele dossier.


I haven't been following stuff closely but Rick Wilson writes this today on twitter:
Wait...a major Democratic campaign would hire a major Democratic election law firm? WHAT WITCHCRAFT IS THIS?

I take Wilson as my cue. He knows op research.

whitney said...

I just read all the comments. Everyone is so wise and All-Seeing

wwww said...

Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for why Russia would want a President Trump?


Look at what Manafort did at the Republican National Convention about position on Crimea/ Ukraine. & wants US sanctions lifted on Putin's oligarchs. Magnitsky Act.

Original Mike said...

Sheesh:

"In her excellent new book Smear, Attkisson describes how political operatives use friendly journalists to skew coverage.

"In a January 2015 strategic memo about 'Shaping a Public Narrative,' Clinton officials describe Politico reporter Maggie Haberman as an ideal, friendly journalist willing to generate positive press for the campaign. Under the title 'Placing a Story,' the memo states, 'We feel that it's important to go with what is safe and what has worked in the past. We've had a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the last year. We have had her tee up stories for us before and have never been disappointed. While we should have a larger conversation in the near future about a broader strategy for re-engaging the beat press that covers HRC, for this we think we can achieve our objective and do the most shaping by going to Maggie.' It almost makes it sound as if Haberman is on the payroll of the Clinton campaign.""

AReasonableMan said...

Andrew Sullivan said...
If I were asked which were the problems that are most overlooked right now, I’d say record levels of social and economic inequality, declining social mobility and a dangerous, unsustainable level of debt.

So what does the ostensibly conservative party in America - the Republicans - propose we do? They propose that we make all of this de-legitimization of democratic capitalism much, much worse. I’m referring primarily to their proposed massive tax cut to the super-wealthy, the abolition of the estate tax, and their bid to add over a trillion dollars to the debt.

How on earth does the GOP defend this? They argue that the US economy desperately needs a boost. This was not a position they held in 2009, as the global economy was teetering on collapse, and as the US economy was close to its worst crisis since the 1930s. The House GOP coughed up one single vote for massive tax cuts at that time … because they insisted that we couldn’t add to the debt, even as a depression loomed. But apparently, debt-fueled growth is urgent now that unemployment claims have hit a 44-year low, the Dow is at a record high, we are still in the longest recovery in history, and the debt is far greater than it was in 2009. This is so perverse it could not possibly be entertained without massive amnesia, extreme partisanship, or a need to have something - anything - to point to in 2018.

The second argument is that the tax cuts pay for themselves through faster growth. Well, they don’t exactly argue this, because they cannot. We know now beyond any conceivable doubt that this is untrue, false, disproven, and unfounded, because every single tax cut of the last thirty five years has increased the debt. Reagan’s tax cut created the first lurch toward insolvency; George W. Bush’s created the second; and the Great Recession - Bush’s last gift to the country - compounded both. In Kansas, we have yet another contemporary case of the demonstrable failure of this supply-side fantasy. For Mitch McConnell to say with a straight face that this time will be different is therefore either madness or cynicism so profound it … well I was going to say beggars belief, but at this point, it seems utterly believable.


I largely agree with this. I am a pretty conservative person but it is impossible to vote Republican because they are so utterly unserious on the economy.

mockturtle said...

Achilles asserts: And if you watch one you have seen them all. Even Fox News is on the reservation most of the time.

Yes, no question. But Fox Business News can be watchable, particularly Stuart Varney and Lou Dobbs.

CStanley said...

Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for why Russia would want a President Trump?

No. the only plausible explanations are:
1. They played both sides to sow discord
2. They were colluding with Clinton all along and as a cover they were trying to entrap Trump's campaign. They were shopping the dossier all over the media through late summer and early fall, and expected this would blow up on Trump and their own collusion would never be uncovered.

Increasingly it looks t me like #2. I laugh when Dems say, "She ever used the dossier!" Well, yeah, because it was such a steaming pile that even the hacks in the media wouldn't publish it until they finally got David Corn to play along.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Predictable Blind wishful speculations. What Mueller is going to do followed by if then pronouncements about their guesses, enthusiasm gap, 2018 election results, what the Democrats will do when they control the House...the Senate and on and on... And all this blather is from the same people, left and right who were blindsided by the last election.

Michael K said...

What we are seeing here is a prerevolutionary period of skirmishing.

The political left has lost its bearings and wants Utopia with no idea of how to pay for it.

The GOPe has had a comfortable relationship with donors who are making billions for the current ZIRP and crony capitalism with "green energy."

Trump has threatened this nice arrangement by intruding with the wishes of the people who make the country work.

The military is also largely proTrump. The State Department people in Afghanistan had a party to celebrate Hillary's win on election night.

the American expatriates, Afghan elites and others who had managed to scare up invitations had gathered in the basement of the embassy—a city block-sized, blast-resistant compound as charmless as it is spotless—to watch the results of the American presidential election. The basement was dominated by State Department employees, who are officially barred from political activism while living abroad but tend to support Democrats; some, anticipating a Hillary Clinton victory, were even calling the occasion a party. On the wall hung a Donald Trump piƱata.

By midmorning Kabul time, however, Trump had taken a commanding lead, and the mood in the embassy basement began to shift. Ties came undone, breakfast Danishes were anxiously devoured, and under the red, white and blue bunting, a stunned silence settled in. The cover band that had been playing earlier packed up its instruments. Some of the diplomats were typing furiously on their BlackBerrys. Others stepped outside to smoke, leaving behind a more Trump-friendly crowd of uniformed soldiers and veterans who had returned to Afghanistan as private contractors.


The left, which hates guns, thinks it will cow the 300 million gun owners with a military that is pro-Trump and many of whom remember a president who could not pronounce Corpsman.

I doubt it will get to violence, aside from the fascist thugs like those on college campuses.



Matthew Sablan said...

Just saw on Instapundit that Susan Collins wants the DNC to testify again. Nice they get a do over when I'd get perjury charges.

Ralph L said...

Look at what Manafort did at the Republican National Convention about position on Crimea/ Ukraine. & wants US sanctions lifted on Putin's oligarchs. Magnitsky Act.

Very small potatoes compared to the huge hit to Russia's fuel exports, budget, and prestige.

Yancey Ward said...

I read a story yesterday that Wasserman-Schultz and John Podesta both testified to Congress that they had no knowledge about the Dossier. This testimony was taken before the law firm confirmed that the DNC and the Clinton Campaign funded it. If Nunes or Grassley wants to, they can refer this to the DoJ for a criminal perjury investigation which would allow subpoenas for the DNC's and Clinton Campaign's payment records- for example, who approved the payments from the accounts at the law firm to GPSFusion from both entities. I am guessing both deliberately and knowingly lied expecting that the law firm would take the bullets for them.

Michael K said...

"I am a pretty conservative person but it is impossible to vote Republican because they are so utterly unserious on the economy."

Hilarious. The tax bill will be worked out in Congress but ARM already knows what is in it.

He would not thoughtlessly repeat DNC talking points. Not our ARM. No sirreee.

Unknown said...

“Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for why Russia would want a President Trump?”

“Look at what Manafort did at the Republican National Convention about position on Crimea/ Ukraine. & wants US sanctions lifted on Putin's oligarchs. Magnitsky Act.”

Add to this that Putin despises Clinton. Payback.

Original Mike said...

"If Nunes or Grassley wants to, they can refer this to the DoJ for a criminal perjury investigation which would allow subpoenas for the DNC's and Clinton Campaign's payment records- for example, who approved the payments from the accounts at the law firm to GPSFusion from both entities."

That's exactly what they should do. Given what we now know, how could anyone argue otherwise?

wwww said...

Very small potatoes compared to the huge hit to Russia's fuel exports, budget, and prestige.


Keystone isn't a huge hit to Russia's fuel exports. Since the fracking revolution, Canadian oil sands aren't so important. Canadian oil business has been hit hard for a couple of years now because the US oil resurgence. Keystone isn't important to Putin compared to Crimea, Ukraine, Sanctions, $$ (Magnitsky).

bgates said...

unemployment claims have hit a 44-year low, the Dow is at a record high

and therefore

it is impossible to vote Republican because they are so utterly unserious on the economy

"reasonable"

Original Mike said...

"Add to this that Putin despises Clinton."

We know this how? Seriously, what do you base that on?

Unknown said...

Putin is also furious about the Magnitsky Act, he’s been hounding Browder ever since, after killing Magnitsky in prison. Why was Browder not allowed entry in the US? Would Trump be helping out his buddy?

bgates said...

Look at what Manafort did at the Republican National Convention about position on Crimea/ Ukraine

OK:
Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it

Your argument is that the Russians wanted Trump instead of a Democratic President because on an issue important to the Russians Trump resembled a Democratic President. Be less stupid.

Fabi said...

The only way Putin would hate Clinton is if she got a bigger kick back on the Uranium One deal.

Unknown said...

“We know this how? Seriously, what do you base that on?”

You seriously never heard this before?

“But things got worse?
Then a number of things really soured in the relationship—and this is where Hillary Clinton comes into play. There were anti-government demonstrations in Russia following a parliamentary election in December 2011, and many observers think there was a lot of electoral fraud. Shortly after the elections, Hillary Clinton made a statement saying—and I'm paraphrasing here—every citizen should have the right to have their vote counted and elections should be free and fair. Shortly thereafter, there were demonstrations in Moscow, the biggest demonstrations since the fall of the Soviet Union, and President Putin accused Hillary Clinton of fomenting this protest, in part because of her remarks about the election. Of course, she wasn't the only foreign leader to make these sorts of remarks, but the notion that this was being done in the service of the US State Department became a consistent theme for the Kremlin.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win

bgates said...

"Add to this that Putin despises Clinton."

We know this how? Seriously, what do you base that on?


Nobody likes a loser, and he's got to be really irritated that she lost because it makes his life harder having a pro-American president for the first time in several years.

tcrosse said...

"Add to this that Putin despises Clinton."

Doesn't everybody ?

Unknown said...

Willful ignorance or desperation to rationalize their vote for Trump.

“I recently interviewed Trump supporters about why they didn't believe or care about the Russia conflict. Most of them didn't understand Putin would want Trump to be president instead of Clinton.

There are two levels on which this works. The clear one is the policy level, where Hillary Clinton's policies toward Russia were rather on the hawkish end, and she was determined to stand up (in her mind) to Putin. She was much more willing to support, for example, the sending of defensive weapons to Ukraine, to help the Ukrainian army in the fighting in eastern Ukraine. She was much more willing to speak out on the domestic political situation in Russia. She was a staunch supporter of NATO, a staunch supporter of the sanctions [against Russia], and criticized Putin's annexation of Crimea.

"The personal history between Clinton and Putin is remarkably bad."

Donald Trump took completely opposite positions on all of these issues. He never talks about domestic policy within Russia, except to praise Putin. He argued that his administration would be willing to review the imposition of sanctions on Russia and said that NATO was obsolete. He said that his administration would be willing to review opposition to the annexation of Crimea.”

wwww said...

Your argument is that the Russians wanted Trump instead of a Democratic President because on an issue important to the Russians Trump resembled a Democratic President. Be less stupid.


Putin saw Clinton as interfering with Russia's control over the Baltics and as interfering in his rule over Russia. Manafort, by contrast, got a lot of $$$ from a Ukraine oligarch allied with Putin. Read somebody who knows the region like Anne Applebaum. Read people who have fought the Soviet Union and are Russia experts. I'm not going to keep arguing about this. Some people are in sealed-off information silos.

Republicans ask how could Democratic women have supported Clinton when he's a sexual harasser/ rapist. Simple. They didn't read or believe any news that conflicted with the way they wanted to see the world.

The Cracker Emcee Activist said...

"“Not one word about the DNC and Clinton campaign funding of the dossier or the Uranium One fiasco although they did mock the idea that the Democratic Party may be implicated.”

Because it’s pure bullshit promulgated by Trump..."

and the NYT
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Now that's a vast right-wing conspiracy!

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
“Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for why Russia would want a President Trump?”

“Look at what Manafort did at the Republican National Convention about position on Crimea/ Ukraine. & wants US sanctions lifted on Putin's oligarchs. Magnitsky Act.”

Add to this that Putin despises Clinton. Payback.

Putin despised Clinton so much he gave her and Bill $143,000,000 while she was sec state.

You people are just fucking idiots. You will regurgitate whatever your masters feed you.

Michael K said...

"Read somebody who knows the region like Anne Applebaum. "

She is a fanatic NeverTrumper. Too bad, too. I used to read her stuff,

Unknown said...

“You people are just fucking idiots. You will regurgitate whatever your masters feed you.”

And you are a profoundly stupid desperate deplorable, eating with relish the shit Trump, the known liar extraordinaire, your master, tweets daily. Enjoy your shit sandwich.

Michael K said...

Inga is on a roll. Are you going to join the "screamers at the sky" on November 8?

Sounds like your kind of group.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Yes, I was very disappointed with Chuck Todd. Not one word about the other Russia scandals, Uranium One and Clinton/DNC/Steele/FBI (?!). That last one really staggers me. A standing bureaucracy, one of the most powerful in the country, funnels money through a lawyer and then Fusion GPS to a former MI6 agent who just happened to head the Russia desk, whereupon he compiles a "dossier" containing details for which the universal word is currently "salacious." (OK, supposedly Trump hired Russian hookers to pee all over the bed the Obamas once slept in. Does that seem likely to you? Does it seem even possible? I can see a drunk high school student thinking it funny, but Trump is a looooong way past HS, and he's famously germophobic, and he's teetotal.) Who in tarnation ever thought that would be remotely proper?

Chris Christie was good, though. Or was he on "This Week"? Which did get to the Clinton Russia allegations, though the pro-Trump side was badly outgunned.

I still say that if Russia was involved in this election, it wasn't to get Trump elected, but to keep Hillary out. Or, as some have argued, to sow general confusion.

Oh, one other thing: Someone on "This Week" argued that Steve Bannon and Roy Moore prove the nature of the Trump administration. When I hear stuff like this, I want to scream. (1) Steve Bannon isn't in the Trump administration. (2) Trump supported Roy Moore's primary opponent. Yeesh, people.

Kevin said...

Inga reminds me of the women who, when her husband is caught naked in bed with another woman, responds with how everyone has been out to get him all the time, the truth is he's a fantastic father, faithful husband, and all-around good guy, and that people are jealous and just trying to tear him down for no reason.

In other words, she sounds just like Hillary.

Kevin said...

I preferred the threads in the days after the Uranium One payments were disclosed and Inga had yet to receive her talking points.

The number of posts went way down, but the quality of what was discussed increased dramatically.

Achilles said...

wwww said...

Putin saw Clinton as interfering with Russia's control over the Baltics and as interfering in his rule over Russia.

Hows that reset button working then? History started yesterday for leftists.

Manafort, by contrast, got a lot of $$$ from a Ukraine oligarch allied with Putin.

Sounds like a cool $3,000,000. If he actually broke any laws I hope he goes to jail with Hillary.

Read somebody who knows the region like Anne Applebaum.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Read people who have fought the Soviet Union and are Russia experts. I'm not going to keep arguing about this. Some people are in sealed-off information silos.

the same people you bitch about getting us into Iraq Syria Libya etc. The neocons are all swamp critters supporting the coup and they all voted for Hillary.

Republicans ask how could Democratic women have supported Clinton when he's a sexual harasser/ rapist. Simple. They didn't read or believe any news that conflicted with the way they wanted to see the world.

We read all of the information put out by the MSM. By default. We get information outside the propaganda arms of the soros/steyer/bezos/slim club as well.

Clinton and Obama paid a sleaze firm money to develop the steele dossier they fed to the FBI so they could spy on political opponents. Manafort can go to jail for a few years. The Clinton, Obama, FBI and NSA people that committed this crime need to be executed publicly as traitors.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Inga,

Browder testified on Capitol Hill a few months back. I don't think he has been refused entry into the US.

Original Mike said...

I doubt anything happens in Russia without Kremlin consent. It's hard to square the fact that the Kremlin fed Hillary, through Christopher Steele, dirt designed to harm Trump if he really despises her.

Original Mike said...

"Inga is on a roll. Are you going to join the "screamers at the sky" on November 8?"

Please take pictures. I offer to come do the photography.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Be less stupid."

That is impossible for Unknown Inga. In fairness, it's not like she ever tries to be be less stupid.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
“You people are just fucking idiots. You will regurgitate whatever your masters feed you.”

And you are a profoundly stupid desperate deplorable, eating with relish the shit Trump, the known liar extraordinaire, your master, tweets daily. Enjoy your shit sandwich.

Actually I enjoy your tears more. Trump sent out the tweets that will dominate the conversation from here on out:

"Never seen such Republican ANGER & UNITY as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton made Fake Dossier (now $12,000,000?),....

...the Uranium to Russia deal, the 33,000 plus deleted Emails, the Comey fix and so much more. Instead they look at phony Trump/Russia,....

..."collusion," which doesn't exist. The Dems are using this terrible (and bad for our country) Witch Hunt for evil politics, but the R's...

...are now fighting back like never before. There is so much GUILT by Democrats/Clinton, and now the facts are pouring out. DO SOMETHING!"

We will. The criminals will be prosecuted. The traitors will go to jail if they are lucky. Nobody thinks some wire transfers from 2012 have anything to do with Trump.

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Unknown said...

He was prohibited from entry to the US in mid October. He has since had his Global Entry status restored, after it was made public that he was refused entry. Why didn’t you know this? It was all over the news.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/putin-bill-browder-us-visa-revoked-interpol-arrest-warrant-magnitsky-critic-list-red-notice-a8015961.html

“Bill Browder, a hedge fund manager and activist, said he was informed his so-called Global Entry status had been suspended and that he was unable to check in for a flight to the US, after Russia had him added to the Interpol arrest list.

Mr Browder, 53, who pushed for the US to enforce a powerful set of sanctions against figures close to the Kremlin, said Russia had tried on four previous occasions to have him placed on the Interpol Red List. Those requests were turned down, he said, but Russia then had his name added via a loophole known as “a diffusion.”

exiledonmainstreet said...

Putin despised Clinton so much he gave her and Bill $143,000,000 while she was sec state.

Nevermind that! Inga wants us to believe the inside scoop she gets at Vice.com.

"Inga is on a roll. Are you going to join the "screamers at the sky" on November 8?"

She really doesn't need to. She's been screaming at the sky every single day since about 9 pm on election night 2016.

Her tears and rage are delicious.

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Original Mike said...

"“Bill Browder, a hedge fund manager and activist, said he was informed his so-called Global Entry status had been suspended and that he was unable to check in for a flight to the US, after Russia had him added to the Interpol arrest list.

Mr Browder, 53, who pushed for the US to enforce a powerful set of sanctions against figures close to the Kremlin, said Russia had tried on four previous occasions to have him placed on the Interpol Red List. Those requests were turned down, he said, but Russia then had his name added via a loophole known as “a diffusion.”


What's this got to do with Trump?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The GOPe has had a comfortable relationship with donors who are making billions for the current ZIRP and crony capitalism with "green energy."

Check it out, everybody! A guy who says that McDonalds employees are beneath him pretends to rail against elitism and wealthy political capitalists! You can't make this shit up!

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Her tears and rage are delicious.

Ever notice how conservative right-wingers are incapable of doing anything productive - and can only heap contempt and condescension the many people they hate instead?

I think this explains why they:

1. Can never get anything done.
2. Direct so much effort instead into stifling the words, expressions and political participation of the many Americans they look down upon.

Unknown said...

“Ever notice how conservative right-wingers are incapable of doing anything productive - and can only heap contempt and condescension the many people they hate instead?”

Yes, every time I visit Althouse’s blog.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Her tears and rage are delicious.

Ever notice how conservative right-wingers are incapable of doing anything productive - and can only heap contempt and condescension the many people they hate instead?

The difference is we actually do things ourselves to help people. We donate our own time. We donate our own money. Usually through churches.

We don't take money from people using the government monopoly on force and hand it out to others to by votes while skimming most of it off the top and giving it to cronies like progressives do.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Me right-wing. Me hate folk.

Me go pee-pee 'til you broke.

tim in vermont said...

wwww, Clinton promised to all but shut down fracking too.

pacwest said...

ARM said:
"I largely agree with this. I am a pretty conservative person but it is impossible to vote Republican because they are so utterly unserious on the economy."

And the Dems serious about cutting debt? So that leaves you with what? The Tea party / Freedom caucus? Last I looked they were under the Republican banner. Bernie? Or do you not vote? That seems like the only out you have left yourself with the above statement. Reasonable man indeed.

tim in vermont said...

Better to pay $10 a gallon for gas, right TTR?

Achilles said...

"For much of Jeff Immelt’s 16-year run atop one of the world’s largest conglomerates, an empty business jet followed his GE-owned plane on some trips to destinations around the world, according to people familiar with the matter. The two jets sometimes parked far apart so they wouldn’t attract attention, and flight crews were told to not openly discuss the empty plane, the people said.

The second plane was a spare in case Mr. Immelt’s jet had mechanical problems. A GE spokeswoman said that “two planes were used on limited occasions for business-critical or security purposes.” Mr. Immelt didn’t respond to requests for comment."

Immelt is a progressive crony. Taxpayers paid to keep that second jet flying with him. GE was good at lobbying in DC.

Immelt is one of TTR's heroes.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Me right-wing. Me hate folk.

Me go pee-pee 'til you broke.


This is what an idiot post when his arguments are not enough.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The difference is we actually do things ourselves to help people. We donate our own time. We donate our own money. Usually through churches.

I assume that like all right-wingers you failed to do the cost-benefit analysis on why the churches and private sector have failed to reduce our numbers of homeless, underpaid and uninsured to the degree that the public sector has done in the rest of the developed world.

I suppose it has something to do with: "We're 'Murica. We are the exceptions to every rule. When we do it the results or lack thereof don't even matter because we're so much better and greater and cooler."

And, oh yeah: Western Europe and the others are all the Soviet Union and communist China. Even that they're not.

Travel would cure you of this blindness. Talking to people abroad would cure you of this deafness. Or at least make you realize how much of a tool you sound like when you go on about it.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

This is what an idiot post when his arguments are not enough.

This is what a humorless moron post(s) when he lacks a sense of humor.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Better to pay $10 a gallon for gas, right TTR?

That's your only argument? That doing more for Exxon-Mobil and less for First Solar, Sunetric, Silver Ridge, etc. is what we need to do?

That nationalizing the churches and decimating Medicaid is how we need to feel better about our high uninsurance rates?

That more government action benefiting the Fortune 500 and less for the underclass is how we deal with poverty, underemployment and income immobility?

How's the weather on Bizarro Planet?

tim in vermont said...

Ever been "in hospital" in the UK or Canada or Australia? I have, here's a cheap experiment, go to Canada and pick a couple random strangers and complement their health care system, live near the border and hang out in a US ER.

Jim at said...

What bigger more important story is there than when an American President is under investigation for colluding with an adversarial nation?

Did Trump show up with a brand new, shiny Reset Button and I missed it, Princess Sky Screamer?

Did he also yearn for more flexibility after the election?

Maybe he got $500k for a speech in exchange for a few million to his foundation. And some uranium, to boot.

Pull your damn head out of your ass, Inga, and realize the 'crimes' the Clinton Cabal committed are far, far worse than anything Trump even thought about.

tim in vermont said...

Working class people love paying high gas prices, ask any Democrat!

exiledonmainstreet said...

A sense of humor? The joke has to be funny before I'll laugh at it. Ritmo, that was simply pathetic.

Your hangover must be pretty bad today.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Immelt is one of TTR's heroes.

You posted three paragraphs about a guy I don't know a single thing about.

What's it like having to imagine things in order to make sense of your arguments?

Like I said:

"Ever notice how conservative right-wingers are incapable of doing anything productive - and can only heap contempt and condescension (on) the many people they hate instead?"

Keep up the hate. Looks like you can rally a lot of people around it. Doesn't accomplish much, but I realize you're not in it for the results. Or even a realistic assessment.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The joke has to be funny before I'll laugh at it.

And you know about jokes and humor... based on who's opinion, exactly?

Original Mike said...

Time to leave this thread.

exiledonmainstreet said...


"Keep up the hate. Looks like you can rally a lot of people around it"

Oh, this is rich.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Working class people love paying high gas prices, ask any Democrat!

Which Democratic policy ever pushed gas prices above $10/gallon?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

"Keep up the hate. Looks like you can rally a lot of people around it"

Oh, this is rich.


Hey man street. The organizers for "Unite the Right" called. They could use your expertise.

On both organization and subterfuge. Actually, they're less interested in hiding their motives than you are.

So just your expertise on organization is needed.

exiledonmainstreet said...

It's true that I laugh a great deal at your posts, Ritmo, but that's usually when you are not trying to be funny.

Like when you write about "right wing hate" without the slightest glimmer of self-awareness.

Michael K said...

Inga and Ritmo have convinced me it's time to return to my book.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

You posted three paragraphs about a guy I don't know a single thing about.

Your best argument yet. Ignorance is always a god one when you are spewing straw men.

You are boring lately. And stupid.

Someone like you should be cheering for the national socialist wing of the democrat party to be going to jail. It would open up a path for your international socialist wing to escape from political obscurity.

Josephbleau said...


Ode to toothless 2 pm.

Me left wing me hate speech
me beat crapp from you till your bones broke.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Ever been "in hospital" in the UK or Canada or Australia?

Why do I need to? I know how their death rates compare to ours and I figured that's what counted. I didn't realize that people were seeking out hospital stays "just for the experience of it." Is that how you entertain yourself in VT?

Yes Tim. I'm sure America has way more awesome cable tv available in its hospital rooms than other countries. Usually for a fee. Capitalism, and all.

I have, here's a cheap experiment, go to Canada and pick a couple random strangers and complement their health care system, live near the border and hang out in a US ER.

Again, I hope you get something out of it. Did you want to take a bus of Americans to Canada to get affordable drugs or better primary care access, while you were at it?

Also, make sure you mention how the deregulated pharma industry could never push prescription opioids on Canadians or Western Europeans the way they could on Americans. So apparently they don't have to contend with a prescription opioid overdose epidemic as colorful as our own, as well. How unlucky they are! Didn't they know that Trump would get to the bottom of it... with DEA propaganda! Just like in the 1980s! Wow, what a genius. I'm sure that will do the trick.

This is another way that Republicans lead the way in finding out how to get large numbers of whites to die. To drop dead. Thank your lucky stars for the meaningful lives they're instilling you and your fellow dead/dying white Republicans for the pride that must somehow make it all worth it.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Yep, time to leave and do something constructive. It's a lovely fall day here. Ritmo and Inga can continue to joylessly yammer on all afternoon.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Like when you write about "right wing hate" without the slightest glimmer of self-awareness.

So what has the right wing done for all those poor white people that they claim to care so much about?

I mean, apart from appealing to the propaganda of excessively "forward looking statements" and their sense of false pride?

Let me know.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

It's a lovely fall day here.

And it's a shitty government in D.C.

But pretty soon they'll fuck up the weather, too.

Pretty awkward dodge there at gracelessly exiting a thread you couldn't win. When the lies run out, just leave. Right-wing advice.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Your best argument yet. Ignorance is always a god one...

A "god one?" How many street drugs did you wake up on to write that shit?

I'll put my ignorance of an irrelevant bogey man against your irrelevance on everything you say, any day.

Immelt is about as relevant to anything here as your homegrown HGH operation is.

Francisco D said...

cronus titan wrote:"Unknown, what you’ve just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard."

Welcome to the site cronus. If you were here before, I was unaware. Your thinking seems spot on, to me.

I was going to warn you about Inga, the unknown ex-psych nurse, but you already have the picture. It is sad to see people with fixed delusions, even sadder when they have no choice but to stick to them or their heads will explode.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

I coined a phrase. This is something!

Trump says he came up with "fake news" and also the idea of "Just say no."

Well, here's my contribution to the political discourse.

Non-results oriented governing

It describes the right-wing approach to government in a nutshell.

They're just in it for the propaganda, power and feel-good moments of killing off all those white poor voters. Hey, whites! Just say no! Pharma (and their cronies in D.C.) needs to make a buck off you, but you... you can just say no!

It worked really well in 19th c. China's opioid dens. How fucking ironic. At least in 19th c. China the opium was pushed on them by the outsiders. The foreigners. The British.

In America we have all the biggest and best pharma companies so to "make America great" we have to let them get away with poisoning our citizens ourselves.

Nice. Go nationalism! We kill our own SO MUCH BETTER than others kill us!

That's something to be proud of. In the right wing "mind."

Darrell said...

BREAKING: FBI picked up the tab for Steele dossier along with Hillary; FBI paid Steele's travel and other expenses.

On Ann Coulter's FB feed.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

"It's a lovely fall day here."

More right-wing psychology: "I got mine... FUCK the country!"

Is it another Mar a Lago weekend for Trump? Hard to keep track.

He got his. FUCK the country!

That's how they all think.

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"As a right-winger I'm never any good as even an amateur entertainer, so might as well be a very ordinary amateur critic instead!"

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Unknown said...

“BREAKING: FBI picked up the tab for Steele dossier along with Hillary; FBI paid Steele's travel and other expenses.”

Breaking? LMAO! This is once again, old news, being recycled to distract the dumb Trumpist from the fact that indictments are coming tomorrow.

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...four or five idiotic paragraphs.

This is how a right-winger described a single sentence.

Words fail them. Literally. Better to move back to the system of grunts, whistles, barks and yelps, whines and groans employed by the lower lifeforms they identify more readily with.

Higher communication is a form of progress! Destroy it!

LULZ.

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tim in vermont said...

I just made the mistake in Canada of doing just what I recommended you try.

In Oz, a US ambulance is better equipped than an Australian ER, The ambulance in Sydney was basically a small pickup truck with a bed cover. But you go ahead and le ture me about stuff that you read on blogs.

Francisco D said...

Unknown Inga screeched: "This is once again, old news, being recycled "

Hmmm. That sounds really familiar. It started as a Clinton talking point during Bill's presidency.

You do not deny the accuracy. You just want people to think that it's not relevant.

Wait a minute! It's not Inga. It's Hillary!!!

It's getting harder and harder to tell delusional sociopaths apart.

Unknown said...

Here’s your “breaking news”, way back from Feb.28th. Why does it seem like a good idea to recycle old news? To gin up outrage among Trumpists? Distraction from the fact Trump associates are going to be indicted tomorrow?

“BREAKING: FBI picked up the tab for Steele dossier along with Hillary; FBI paid Steele's travel and other expenses.”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/321643-fbi-agreed-to-pay-former-british-spy-responsible-for-russia-dossier

“The FBI agreed to pay the former British spy who authored a dossier detailing President Trump's ties to Russia, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

The decision to pay former MI6 agent Christopher Steele to continue investigating Trump's ties to Moscow reportedly came after the U.S. intelligence community concluded that the Kremlin had run an influence campaign to sway the presidential election in favor of the real estate mogul.”

I hope they paid him well.

pacwest said...

"In America we have all the biggest and best pharma companies so to "make America great" we have to let them get away with poisoning our citizens ourselves."

Toothless, your lies and misinformation are getting so over the top it is hardly worth fisking you anymore.

75% of opiod addictions are caused by taking drugs that were not prescribed for them. Illicit drugs are the major player when you are talking about substance abuse. You have already argued against individuals taking personal responsibility. Are you saying that you are in favor of building a wall at our southern border to stop illicit drugs? Are you saying opiods shouldn't be prescribed? You're obviously against trying to stop addictions by changing mindsets.

tim in vermont said...

Funny how assiduously Unknown avoids the rest of the stories, even Politico is getting sick of being lied to. Unknown will never tire of defending Clinton lies though.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

One sentence:

That was to Tim, dummy. Not to you. He doesn't have the trouble with reading that you have. No need for you to repost everything I wrote. I know what I wrote. And unlike your bitch-ass, I don't delete all my comments afterward. But then, I also don't just comment for the sake of fucking with and trolling people. You clearly are embarrassed to leave your own comments up by the next day, delete them, and admit that you don't know what the point was of uploading them other than to bullshit another commenter.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

As clever as a wet fart YAWn!

Well, now everyone knows what counts as "clever" in your soft, mushy mind.

But we always had our suspicions.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

In Oz, a US ambulance is better equipped than an Australian ER, The ambulance in Sydney was basically a small pickup truck with a bed cover. But you go ahead and le ture me about stuff that you read on blogs.

Governments, like industries, collect stats on this stuff. They have to. If you're saying that results-don't matter, then why persist with the stories and anecdotes? Because you collect fancy, well-stocked ambulances? Did you pay for the "Executive Ambulance?" Was it outfitted with armor plating and the stuff of James Bond movies? Did you get the tour of it from "Q?"

Chuck said...

After watching the best part of all of the Sunday news shows at this point, I've been struck that the one channel seemingly most focused on the expected Mueller grand jury charges, is the Fox News Channel. And their angle, if they have one, seems to be on the leak of the news.

I did see Rep. Trey Gowdy (whom I like a lot) seemingly presume that the leak of the grand jury information came from the Mueller team. And I think that is an uncharacteristic misstep by Gowdy. Reading the CNN report, it was based on "sources briefed on the matter." And the information presented was a whole lot less than what a Mueller investigative team member would know. It could easily have come from a grand jury member or staffer.

As I say, I like Gowdy a lot. I like that he does not want to speculate about the investigation. But I don't like him speculating about who leaked the information, when he probably doesn't know at all.

The Wall Street Journal also identified its own sources as "people close to the matter." (Lots of folks have tried to attack this story as a CNN exclusive, but the WSJ had its own sources, they say, and described them in similar terms which makes me suspect that someone on the receiving end of the investigation -- not the Mueller team -- was the source.

tim in vermont said...

Whatever.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Toothless, your lies and misinformation are getting so over the top it is hardly worth fisking you anymore.

75% of opiod addictions are caused by taking drugs that were not prescribed for them.


What bullshit. Cite your source. The fact is that the RX opioids cause more lethal overdoses than heroin. You are not informed on this subject. My line of work touches on it closely though - so my bottom-line is directly impacted on knowing it accurately. If you don't want to cite, then leave it. Admit that it's just another thing that righties pontificate on without improving because they detach themselves from outcomes and responsibility and think the whole point is to just touch people's emotional hot buttons without resolving/addressing effectively.

Illicit drugs are the major player when you are talking about substance abuse.

I don't know what a "major player" is. A major-league ball player? What substances? Use precise language. This is medicine, not mall shopping.

You have already argued against individuals taking personal responsibility.

Another muddied, nonsense statement.

Are you saying that you are in favor of building a wall at our southern border to stop illicit drugs? Are you saying opiods shouldn't be prescribed? You're obviously against trying to stop addictions by changing mindsets.

If you want to know what I think, then ask. If you want to ask rhetorical questions to invigorate your loyalty to Team RIght-WIng though, then count me out.

Also, they're called opioids, NOT opiods.

Turn your spell-check on and then your factual accuracy meter might follow.

AReasonableMan said...

Trey Gowdy Says Don’t Fire Mueller

Unknown said...

LMAO! “Do something!”

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/do-something-panicky-trump-tweets-about-phony-trumprussia-collusion-as-monday-arrests-loom

“President Donald Trump got a later start than usual on Twitter Sunday morning, claiming that the GOP has joined him in his anger at Hillary Clinton’s supposed involvement in a dossier that still could prove damaging to the president.

According to the tweeting president, Clinton is personally responsible for the dossier that was initially financed by a conservative critic.

Writing on Twitter, Trump claimed, “Never seen such Republican ANGER & UNITY as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton made Fake Dossier (now $12,000,000?),….”

Moments later he added, “…the Uranium to Russia deal, the 33,000 plus deleted Emails, the Comey fix and so much more. Instead they look at phony Trump/Russia “collusion,” which doesn’t exist. The Dems are using this terrible (and bad for our country) Witch Hunt for evil politics, but the R’s …are now fighting back like never before. There is so much GUILT by Democrats/Clinton, and now the facts are pouring out. DO SOMETHING!”“

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

...drugs that were not prescribed for them.

Also... Hello! Drugs don't have to be prescribed for the addict to increase the rate of addiction. There is overprescribing. Period, end of story.

Unknown said...

Trey Gowdy says don’t fire Mueller. Maybe Gowdy knows who and what are going down tomorrow and doesn’t want to go down with a sinking ship.

“It’s time to let the chips fall. And to let the man do his job.”

Redstate article linked to by ARM.

AReasonableMan said...

tim in vermont said...
In Oz, a US ambulance is better equipped than an Australian ER, The ambulance in Sydney was basically a small pickup truck with a bed cover.


This is the usual nonsense. I have spent considerable time in Sydney and it was never true.

They actually export ambulances. Video of Sydney ambulance in Sydney.

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pacwest said...
So that leaves you with what? The Tea party / Freedom caucus?


Where are they now that Trump wants to blow up the debt, just like Bush Jr and Reagan?

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Wow, Moonie. So you saw The Godfather. That's impressive.

If your point is that the world's problems are going to be solved by dumbasses like yourself, then I think I see your point. But they're not. So you can go back to boasting about your overpriced house to whichever non-San Franciscan is around and "potentially" interested enough to make you feel better about yourself for blathering it to them, while enjoying the life afforded by your many other non-accomplishments.

Now, wouldn't that be more fun? Apparently not, but I figured I'd ask.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

From my ass to your lips.

Right-wing civility, erudition and usefulness, everybody.

Goes well with the hate.

Jon Ericson said...

I'll bet Pedro is a laff riot at the Portugee bakery.

Darrell said...

Too many smart people are deliberately missing the point on this FBI -
Fusion GPS dossier. Steel was paid to manufacture a fake dossier that
could be used by Obama's FBI to ask for an otherwise illegal wiretap
on the Trump campaign. Then, after those 'intercepts' were labeled
national security intercepts, the principles could be 'unmasked' to
expose the people involved.

The so called 'investigators' at Fusion GPS were journalists who know
how to package the product to make it acceptible to news media who
would publish it; journalists who were known to other journalists

The whole thing was fake. Money paid to fabulists to write fiction
that could be passed off as 'intelligence'. It was fraud all the way
up and down the money trail. Fraud, libel, slander, treason.

A massive fraud perpetrated by The US Federal Government for the
benefit of a democrat party candidate for president.

pacwest said...

"Also... Hello! Drugs don't have to be prescribed for the addict to increase the rate of addiction. There is overprescribing. Period, end of story."

So the contradiction in what you just wrote escapes you? Illicit drugs and personal responsibility have nothing to do with it, just over prescribing? Glad you could get to the heart of the matter so succinctly. I guess the drug problem is now solved. Period, end of story.

If you could show a little more intellectual honesty, and just a bit of logic you might not be treated so badly around here.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

OH, and just so everyone else knows: It usually takes Moonie about a day (or even twelve hours) for his stupor to wear off and realize how embarrassingly stupid his comments were, before he deletes them. But in the meantime they give him the fuel he needs for his BS machine to stay cranked up and in full gear.

Bragging about his house to the other SF crowd gets boring so he drinks a lot. It's possible he'll get help for that before polluting another thread, but not likely. Beating one's chest is probably not something his neighbors approve of, so deleting evidence of what a stank ass he was remains important for him once the alcohol's pissed away. He doesn't want to appear too foreign to them, apparently.

AReasonableMan said...

The red team are winning at least one contest.

FullMoon said...
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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Are you saying opiods shouldn't be prescribed?

They shouldn't be overprescribed.

You're obviously against trying to stop addictions by changing mindsets.

That doesn't work, medically. Addiction is not overcome by increasing supply and taking responsibility from gatekeeper/prescriber to addict. Show an example where that occurs. You have about as much business in public health as a monkey does running a nuclear sub.

Unknown said...

“The whole thing was fake. Money paid to fabulists to write fiction
that could be passed off as 'intelligence'. It was fraud all the way
up and down the money trail. Fraud, libel, slander, treason.”

Nice try! Ya had me goin’ there for a split second.

pacwest said...

pacwest said...
So that leaves you with what? The Tea party / Freedom caucus?

ARM said...
Where are they now that Trump wants to blow up the debt, just like Bush Jr and Reagan,

Very weakened. But you didn't answer my questions. Why?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Too ignorant to have invested in real estate in SF bay area.

The "SF bay area" has limited housing, and limited population capacity. You're really, er, "contending" that anyone who doesn't is "ignorant?" That this is your sole criterion for assessing someone's intelligence.

Well, for someone as dumb and lucky and unintelligent as you I could see that being the case, but that's because you're a boring, unresourceful and belligerent moron.

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