October 31, 2017

"At least six people were killed when a man drove a pickup truck as many as 20 blocks down a bike path next to the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon..."

"... before he jumped out with fake guns and was shot by police officers, the authorities said. The police did not immediately call it a terrorist attack. But two law enforcement officials said that after the attacker got out of the truck, he was heard yelling, 'Allahu Akbar.'"

The NYT reports.

163 comments:

William Chadwick said...

There is no good reason for trucks to be in civilian hands.

Lyle Smith said...

Down with Islamism!

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

What is NYC's official colors? Need to know for my Facebook profile.

BDNYC said...

According to witnesses, he was heard shouting the Russian phrase Allahu Akbar.

Kevin said...

Clearly we need tighter regulation of pellet guns.

Sydney said...

I wonder why he had fake guns.

NC William said...

Sudden Jihad Death Syndrome

Hari said...

'The police did not immediately call it a terrorist attack,' which means it will be declared a terrorist attack after the mayor and the governor get their photo op.

D. B. Light said...

Alas, we may never know his motives.

alan markus said...

Drudge headline says he was shot in the "ass"

Yancey Ward said...

Now, now- lots of phrases sound like “Allahu Akbar”- for example, “Make America Great Again”, “Trump is Great”, “White Nationalism Forever”, “Go Astros”, “God Bless You”, “Gesundheit”.

Phrases that sound nothing like “Allahu Ahkbar” are; “I’m With Her”, “Socialism Now”, "Impeach Trump Now," “Allahu Ahkbar”, "Die Jews Die," "Go Dodgers."

madAsHell said...

Can we talk about stricter immigration now?

In the 1960's, the thought was the US was a brain drain. Talent from around the world came to work in medicine, and technology.

I no longer believe that's a concern.

Paul said...

"I wonder why he had fake guns."

Sydney, he had them to scare people so they would not try to tackle him. And sure enough, everybody ran or hid.

Rob said...

Shooting him in the ass is discriminatory. They're going after the center of his religious principles.

Big Mike said...

@Yancy, that's great!

@Twilight, try yellow.

rhhardin said...

I avoid bike paths.

Owen said...

TV and press conference allowed NYPD chief, DeBlasio and Cuomo to feel the pain, stand strong against terror and brag about increased vigilance and outreach to truck rental companies which helped to do exactly nothing to prevent this slaughter. They were careful not to describe the murderer or what he said on exiting the truck, but assured us that the attacker, while gut-shot by an alert cop, is being cared for at a local hospital along with the 11 survivors whom he just maimed.

ISIS' new truck jihad program reflects the same evil ingenuity as the original 9/11 attacks which took place only blocks away from this carnage. DeBlasio seemed to brag about that: that New York is a success story that naturally attracts these losers. IMHO he has a tin ear.

Unknown said...

I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”.

buwaya said...

It seems like some of the dead may have been kids from Stuyvesant, as it was letting out at the time. The van hit a school bus in the end.

jpg said...

"Allahu Akbar." Well, we'll never know his motive.

mockturtle said...

I'm all for racial profiling. After seeing a photo of this guy I'm thinking that anyone renting a truck to someone like that should at least notify law enforcement.

Michael K said...

"I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”.

Inga finally declared insane.

Humperdink said...

Just one misguided individual crying out for help.

If we could limit the size and horsepower of these killer trucks, think how many lives would have been saved. Betting it had a full-auto transmission too.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Unknown said..."I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”."

Fuck you.

Bay Area Guy said...

"But two law enforcement officials said that after the attacker got out of the truck, he was heard yelling, 'Allahu Akbar.'"

NYT INSERT A: [Well, just because he murdered 6 innocent people and yelled, Allahu Akbar, doesn't mean it's a terrorist attack, and if it was terrorism, certainly doesn't mean it was Islamic terrorism.]

and

NYT INSERT B:

[And, most importantly, not all Muslims are terrorists.]

I think the above is required in the NYT Style Manual


gspencer said...

Overheard in newsrooms all across the country,

“Hope it’s not a Muslim”

“Hope it’s not a Muslim”

“Hope it’s not a Muslim”

Jim at said...

I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”.

Interesting. I read he was screaming at the sky.
Seems to be more your speed. Kindred spirits and all that.

mockturtle said...

Actually, eight are dead now. Six at the scene and two declared at hospital.

Unknown said...

“Fuck you.”

No thank you, I’ll pass.

Owen said...

Mockturtle: 8 dead, and probably more close to it. Getting kissed by a 3-ton truck at speed is going to destroy your legs, pelvis, internal organs, brain. Massive bleeding, paralysis, other system-crashing injuries. I defer to the medical types but none of these people will ever be the same.

New York pedestrians may want to practice putting rounds through truck windshields. It's hard to learn on the spot.

tim in vermont said...

Unknown might think about checking in with a provider. That's bizarre.

MaxedOutMama said...

I watched the NYPD/mayor/governor/FBI/NY state police conference. Yes, it was a terror attack. Believed to be lone wolf. Heightened security tonight, and for the Halloween parade.

It was interesting that the police had previously been around twice to all truck rental places to discuss security and what they should look for to prevent these types of attacks. How was that supposed to work? You can't do the obvious risk mitigation without getting sued. Anyway, I am sorry for Home Depot, which will now doubtless get sued for renting the truck.

Sorry for the victims. Hope the eight dead don't include the two kids on the school bus. WTH.

Darrell said...

If I had a mansion
I'd fill up every space
With every kind of Leftist
From every kind of place
And once inside my mansion
I'd burn it to the ground
So there would be no Leftists
For miles and miles around
John M. Smyth. John M. Smyth.

bgates said...

I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”

See, this is why we recommend you don't rely on Vox.

Robert Cook said...

This is just blocks from where I work. We started hearing torrents of sirens sometime after three, and as I prepare to leave work, I'm still hearing sporadic sirens in the distance.

I ride that bike path to and from work. I didn't ride in today and haven't for about a week. I was thinking of riding in tomorrow, but it'll probably be blocked off for a day or two, at least, so I'll wait until at least next week before considering riding in.

pacwest said...

"I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”.

LOL. Good one. Oh, I thought you meant it was a Hillary supporter. Either way. Funny, even if predictable.

Robert Cook said...

"If I had a mansion
I'd fill up every space
With every kind of Leftist
From every kind of place
And once inside my mansion
I'd burn it to the ground
So there would be no Leftists
For miles and miles around
John M. Smyth. John M. Smyth."


Stupid.

Unknown said...

“ ....might think about checking in with a provider. That's bizarre.”

Blogger Yancey Ward said...
Now, now- lots of phrases sound like “Allahu Akbar”- for example, “Make America Great Again”, “Trump is Great”, “White Nationalism Forever”, “Go Astros”, “God Bless You”, “Gesundheit”.

Phrases that sound nothing like “Allahu Ahkbar” are; “I’m With Her”, “Socialism Now”, "Impeach Trump Now," “Allahu Ahkbar”, "Die Jews Die," "Go Dodgers."

10/31/17, 4:40 PM

No it’s not, I have a sense of humor, even dark humor, just like Yancy Ward here.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Facebook Trending calling it a 'truck crash'

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Drago said...

Inga takes time out from calling for increased unvetted Muslim immigration and minimizing violent islamist supremacist tactics to make a Trump "joke".

Unexpectedly.

mockturtle said...

This is just blocks from where I work. We started hearing torrents of sirens sometime after three, and as I prepare to leave work, I'm still hearing sporadic sirens in the distance.

I ride that bike path to and from work. I didn't ride in today and haven't for about a week. I was thinking of riding in tomorrow, but it'll probably be blocked off for a day or two, at least, so I'll wait until at least next week before considering riding in.


I'm sincerely glad, Cookie, that you were not among the casualties.

Drago said...

"No it’s not, I have a sense of humor, even dark humor, just like Yancy Ward here."

Yancey was simply making note of the standard lefty response to every Islamic supremacist attack.

It was more a lament rather than a joke.

Drago said...

Maybe the islamic supremacist was upset about the non-existent West Bank to Gaza bridge that the Israelis won't let the muslims use, according to Ingas newly discovered "Source Of Truth", the Vox juice-boxers.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Robert, I'm glad you are safe.

Drago said...

There is a great relief amongst all here that Cookie is safe.

Unknown said...

“There is a great relief amongst all here that Cookie is safe.”

Oh please, coming from you Drago. Not believable.

Unknown said...
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Snark said...

Trump tweeted “Another attack by a very sick and deranged individual.”

“Also, there was a terrorist attack in NYC. Very bad!”

whitney said...

It's so sad that I'm relieved when it's not a white guy. And I guess that makes me the ideological enemy of the ones who were hoping he wasn't a Muslim

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Betting it had a full-auto transmission too.

No one needs an automatic transmission. A manual is enough. Also a 48 hour waiting period for a rental vehicle is a good idea. We must ban 4 wheel drives too.

Common sense truck regulations NOW!

Unknown said...

Speaking as a leftist, I’m damn glad you’re safe Cookie, there aren’t that many of us here. I wish the families of the deceased had the same relief tonight.

Drago said...

"oh please, coming from you Drago. Not believable."

What if, like Hillary and Obama, I have some Russians who are pals and henchmen of Putin write up my sentiments in a dossier?

We know you would believe that. Without hesitation.

Darrell said...

Cookie can tell us there are no true Lefties.
Except him.
I love when he does that.

Drago said...

shorter snark: sure there was another Islamic terrorists attack with multiple dead, but that Trump guys tweets are worse!

Thanks for focusing on what's really important snark.

Bravo.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Oh lighten up people. Unknowns quip was funny.

Don't be like the "that's not funny" losers.

Ray said...

Home Depot Truck, good thing is they are much smaller than what was used in Europe. Basically a full sized pick up truck, may be a F250. Probably 4 ton. In Nice a 19 Ton Truck was used.

Difference between Metric vs. US Tons is about 10%.

Unknown said...

“Oh lighten up people. Unknowns quip was funny.

Don't be like the "that's not funny" losers.”

Yeah.

Ray said...

The Home Depot Trucks have automatic transmissions. All the moving trucks I have rented have been automatic. Most people don't know how to drive a manual transmission anymore.

Home Depot Trucks are cheap to rent, $19.95 an hour. I rented one to take a bunch of yard stuff to a dump.

heyboom said...

Unknown said...

“There is a great relief amongst all here that Cookie is safe.”

Oh please, coming from you Drago. Not believable.

Unlike the left, the right doesn't wish death on those whom they disagree with.

Unknown said...

“Unlike the left, the right doesn't wish death on those whom they disagree with.”

So are you saying Robert Cook wishes you dead? I don’t think so.

heyboom said...

Should have put "in general" in there. But good catch.

heyboom said...

And for the record, I also don't think Cook would want me dead.

Unknown said...

I don’t want you dead either heyboom. My son’s email handle is ”heyboom” something @ something. Every time I see your handle I think of my son.

Drago said...

The lefties have already successfully memory-holed their Bernie bro would be mass murderer.

Unexpectedly.

Lots of modern day Walter Duranty's running around.

Darrell said...

Lefties never wan anybody dead.
They just implement policies that lead to hundreds of millions dying.
Coincidentally,

Leora said...

I am impressed about how the impending election in NYC made it possible for DeBlasio to call it a terror attack within just a few hours.

Drago said...

"They just implement policies that lead to hundreds of millions dying"

Just one reason out of many the left is fully operationally aligned with the aims of the islamic supremacists.

Drago said...

"I am impressed about how the impending election in NYC made it possible for DeBlasio to call it a terror attack within just a few hours."

As soon as the election is passed, we will, once again, "never really know the true motives".

Francisco D said...

"Inga finally declared insane."

I respect your medical credentials, Michael, but I have to disagree.

Inga shares the delusions of many frustrated unemployable women with cats.

Shit! She sounds just like my cousin Nancy who disappeared into the Madison social activist community. She has been on welfare most of her life despite an MSW. It's in her interest to support the dependency state.

Inga may have worked as a low level psych nurse, but how long has she been on the dole?

Unknown said...

Michael K says most shrinks are crazy. I agree.

William said...

I live in NYC. I'm familiar with that bike path and Liberty Park. I used to play tennis there. I'm glad that the casualty figures are only in the single digits. I can think of other places in the city where he could have had a higher body count.....After 9/11, I used to look at various skyscrapers and speculate what size plane would be necessary to bring them down. Those sliver skyscrapers looked vulnerable to Cessnas. Now on certain crowded streets, the thought passes through my head that my continued existence depends on those drivers driving by not be psychotic killers........The paranoia will probably pass in a few weeks unless this inspires a rash of further attacks. That could happen also. Human beings are remarkably easy to kill if you have the proper motivation. Well, maybe the teddy bears and candles will inhibit further attacks.

Christy said...

Will we learn the testosterone levels of Sayfullo?

Was he was inspired by the Dem ad in Virginia of guy running down kids?

Unknown said...

Here you go, thanks Michael K, I’ve long thought so myself.

“Michael K said...
I know a lot of psychiatrists and most went into the field to deal with their own neuroses, although, a former friend of mine was grossly psychotic. He was being treated by the chief of Psychiatry at UC, Irvine who decided to make him one of his residents. I have seen my friend in years but , when I was a surgery resident, he used to assist me a lot as he had resigned his own practice and was clinically psychotic. Given all that, he still was a very talented surgeon and we would have fun with him helping and telling me his delusions.

Most psychiatrists are crazy. Not all psychotic but this guy sounds like he is.

10/19/17, 8:09 PM”

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/10/i-believe-that-its-wrong-to-give-this.html?commentPage=2

Michael K said...

"She has been on welfare most of her life despite an MSW."

And she's not crazy ?

Inga, my response to your inappropriate comment was also a quip.

Unknown said...

“...my response to your inappropriate comment was also a quip.”

Ok, that’s good, glad we all have a sense of humor. That’s cleared up now.

Birches said...

I thought No Collusion was funny too. A little gallows humor since we already pretty much know the motive.

Unknown said...

Have I ever told you Michael K, that I love quoting you? Sometimes you have some great comments and insights. Othertimes, not so much.

Unknown said...

“I thought No Collusion was funny too. A little gallows humor since we already pretty much know the motive.”

Uh oh, be careful or they’ll call you crazy too.

Mary Beth said...

I was led to believe that it was supporters of the Republican candidate for governor in Virginia who ran over people.

Robert Cook said...

"I'm sincerely glad, Cookie, that you were not among the casualties."

Thank you, mockturtle! (Me, too!)

Drago said...

Unknown: "Ok, that’s good, glad we all have a sense of humor."

Islamic terrorist mass murder.

What's not to love, eh?

Robert Cook said...

Thank you all who expressed well wishes for my safety!

This makes three times I've heard those storms of sirens outside my place of work for what turned out to be dramatic crimes: the first World Trade Tower truck bombing in the 90s, then the 9/11 attacks, and now this.

Unknown said...

Hopefully you won’t have to ever hear them again Cookie, but I doubt it, sadly.

Tank said...

Good to hear you're ok Robert.

Funny thing, this was poorly planned. Lots of places in NY where you could run over 30 or 40 people in a few seconds.

cubanbob said...

“...my response to your inappropriate comment was also a quip.”

Ok, that’s good, glad we all have a sense of humor. That’s cleared up now."

There is nothing humorous about mass murder. Lets get back to Hollyperv. While rape and sexual assault are not humorous the exposing of Hollyperv hypocrites is.

Hagar said...

8 deaths is a tragedy; 8 million is a statistic.

Hagar said...

and I think that's about the spread we may soon be looking at.

Robert Cook said...

"Funny thing, this was poorly planned. Lots of places in NY where you could run over 30 or 40 people in a few seconds."

I was just telling someone here that the person either acted impulsively or he didn't know a thing about New York...tonight is the annual Halloween Parade in the village, which draws thousands of participants and observers. He could have done much more harm if he'd planned better or been aware of it.

Rt1 Rebel said...

It seems like every time the liberal swamp and media come close to convincing us that Trump shouldn't be POTUS, real life chimes in and we remember why he should and is.

madAsHell said...

the first World Trade Tower truck bombing in the 90s, then the 9/11 attacks, and now this.

Don't worry, dude! Lightning never strikes twice in the same place.....oh wait!

Seriously, be careful. You might consider the thinking of James Mattis....."Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

AReasonableMan said...

Robert Cook said...
I was just telling someone here that the person either acted impulsively or he didn't know a thing about New York.


The 'good' news is that most of these people are mentally ill and thus relatively ineffective. This is what was so unusual about the Los Vegas shooter, who was extremely well organized.

Glad to hear you are fine.

Rusty said...

Unknown said...
“There is a great relief amongst all here that Cookie is safe.”

Oh please, coming from you Drago. Not believable.

As much as I disagree with Robert he at least has proven to be honest which is more than I can say for you.

Unknown said...

“It seems like every time the liberal swamp and media come close to convincing us that Trump shouldn't be POTUS, real life chimes in and we remember why he should and is.”

How did Trump prevent this attack? He didn’t.

Unknown said...

The response to this attack was exemplary. In liberal New York City with a liberal Mayor no less.

rcocean said...

"Allahu Akbar."

Always reminds me of Admiral Akbar (its a trap!)

Man was here in the USA from Uzbekistan on a "diversity visa" program instituted by Chuck Schumer.

So 8 peeps died for diversity. No doubt the good liberal New Yorkers were glad to give their lives for it.

Fabi said...

I'm glad you're safe, Cookie. Be vigilant.

Rt1 Rebel said...

"How did Trump prevent this attack? He didn’t."

Of course he didn't, there are already too many cockroaches in the kitchen, and we have liberal courts that rule his pesticides unconstitutional.

Mike Sylwester said...

After New York tears down its Columbus statue, it ought to start tearing down mosques.

Robert Cook said...

It seems like every time the liberal swamp and media come close to convincing us that Trump shouldn't be POTUS, real life chimes in and we remember why he should and is."

Oh? And Trump will have a magic solution to the complicated problems of the world that his predecessors did not? Hahaha!

Anonymous said...

There is going to be a stampede for carry permits in NYC. Almost impossible to get. Therefore there will be a lot of illegal carrying - or a booming business in security personnel.

Anonymous said...

Cookie Time to apply for your carry permit. Don't allow yourself to go down without a fight.

Robert Cook said...

"You might consider the thinking of James Mattis....."Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

Sounds like Mattis shares the philosophy of those who commit acts such as today's.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Unknown said..."The response to this attack was exemplary. In liberal New York City with a liberal Mayor no less."

Congratulations. Liberals know how to drive ambulances.

Michael K said...

Trump will have a magic solution to the complicated problems of the world that his predecessors did not?

Yes. It is loosely described as a "Muslim ban."

Drago said...

"Sounds like Mattis shares the philosophy of those who commit acts such as today's."

The more the Islamists kill, the guiltier we are, according to the left.

Drago said...

ARM "helpfully" identifies mental illness as the culprit.

It's unfortunate that we don't have data points from across the globe from which we could identify a pattern.

bgates said...

Wow, the perpetrator of a terrorist attack turns out to be a Muslim immigrant, and Robert Cook says something that's both stupid and anti-American. Which should surprise me less?

madAsHell said...

Sounds like Mattis shares the philosophy of those who commit acts such as today's.

No, the actors today have no sense of professional, or polite.

William said...

I wonder if this will inhibit the showing of that ad which features a black van sporting a Confederate flag hunting down little Muslim children.

Drago said...

"Which should surprise me less?"

Wait till ARM recommends that Trump voters cease using Amazon as an appropriate penance for their guilt.

Drago said...

William: "I wonder if this will inhibit the showing of that ad which features a black van sporting a Confederate flag hunting down little Muslim children."

On the contrary, once the left is done memory-holibg to this event, they will triple-down on that ad.

madAsHell said...

By the way Cookie, Obama doubled the number of firearms sold in this country. Read it, and weep.

Robert Cook said...

"'Trump will have a magic solution to the complicated problems of the world that his predecessors did not?'


"Yes. It is loosely described as a 'Muslim ban.'"


Which is illegal and unconstitutional. No wonder you and others admire Trump...you're as ignorant (or contemptuous of) of our Constitution and the protections it guarantees us as Trump is.

Paul said...

Now we find out "Allahu Akbar." does not mean "God is Great". Seems it means "Allah is Greater". As in my god is greater than your god.

So the Muslims are saying their Muslim god is greater than whatever your god or country or leader is.

They really are plan on enslaving or killing all 'infidels'.

Robert Cook said...

"The more the Islamists kill, the guiltier we are, according to the left."

To the degree we kill innocents, and without reason or purpose, this is true.

Robert Cook said...

"Wow, the perpetrator of a terrorist attack turns out to be a Muslim immigrant, and Robert Cook says something that's both stupid and anti-American."

Ha! I never say anything stupid. What did I say that was anti-American?

Robert Cook said...

"By the way Cookie, Obama doubled the number of firearms sold in this country. Read it, and weep."

Why should I weep? I have no admiration for Obama. I didn't vote for him and I consider him as much a war criminal and mass murderer as I do his predecessors. Obama has done much to promote the growing police state in America.

William said...

It's an open secret that Muslim immigrants sometimes kill innocent people.

mockturtle said...

To the degree we kill innocents, and without reason or purpose, this is true.

Like the unborn?

steve uhr said...

How many people have to die for the comments to reflect the appropriate sentiments ?

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Now we find out "Allahu Akbar." does not mean "God is Great". Seems it means "Allah is Greater". As in my god is greater than your god.

That is exactly what it means. It was Mohammed's battle cry. It was designed to strike fear in his opponents.

But it also has many other uses today that aren't associated with war.Those other uses are were the "God is Great" comes from.

But when a terrorist uses it he means "Allah is greater than your god."

Michael K said...

"How many people have to die for the comments to reflect the appropriate sentiments ?"

What are the appropriate sentiments, Steve ?

Illegal alien supporters showing trucks driven by white men chasing aliens ?

The actual incident where a Muslim girl was run down, the driver was an illegal alien.

There are a lot of innocents like this in London, in Nice and other places.

Where do you prefer, Steve ?

Gahrie said...

Which is illegal and unconstitutional. No wonder you and others admire Trump...you're as ignorant (or contemptuous of) of our Constitution and the protections it guarantees us as Trump is.

Was the Chinese Exclusion Act unconstitutional?

madAsHell said...

Cookie, I don't agree with you, but I do find you sincere. Fare thee well, dude.

The Cracker Emcee Activist said...

"ARM "helpfully" identifies mental illness as the culprit."

For once, ARM is right. Fundamentalist Islam, insanity. Six of one, half a dozen of another.

FIDO said...

Oh? And Trump will have a magic solution to the complicated problems of the world that his predecessors did not? Hahaha!

I have a house. The back door has a broken lock. I have a neighbor, whom I will call Juan. He, like Kramer, feels that he has the right to wander in and out of my house at will. Sometimes he drinks my last beer Sometimes he is watching my T.V.

Now, don't get me wrong. I have a good relationship with Juan. He's helped around the house, done some cooking, helped me clean the place up. So it isn't ALL bad with Juan.

Just...very annoying at times. And it's IS my house.

BUT...there are a lot more people than Juan out there with worse intentions.

Now anyone sensible would suggest to me to FIX MY FUCKING LOCK, so that back door isn't a huge gateway into my house, where my family lives.

They would be correct.

But Democrats seem to be against fixing locks.

It isn't that Trump isn't trying to fix things.

It is that people like you are against fixing things, like a nagging wife who screams that a new lock is too expensive when she'd rather spend that money on a present for her worthless brother Roger.

There is a reason people don't trust Democrats any more. Because they are against sense and freedom (unless it is freedom to enter the U.S.)

mockturtle said...

Nice allegory, FIDO!

FIDO said...

The Politico-Morning Consult poll found 37 percent of voters said they “strongly supported” the new U.S. State Department guidelines that would deny visas to citizens of Iran, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen who do not have close relatives in the United States. Another 23 percent of voters said they “somewhat support” the guidelines.


The partial ban, which took effect on Thursday, was most strongly supported by Trump’s fellow Republicans, 83 percent of whom approved. Even among Democratic voters, only 46 percent said they were opposed.


Forty-one percent of Democrats said they support it, and the remaining 13 percent said they “don’t know.”


It isn't that Trump isn't trying (wildly popular) things to fix AMERICAN problems. It is that ideologues on the Left oppose him for reasons so spurious and laughable that if one held the same Democrat policies about Ebola Outbreaks in the Congo as they do about Muslims, every medical health professional in the country would scream bloody murder at their idiocy!

But 'kids' and 'Trump!'

Robert Cook said...

"Was the Chinese Exclusion Act unconstitutional?"

I don't know and can't answer at length now...I'm tired and my eyes are killing me. It had to do with limits on immigrants of a certain race. It seems unconstitutional on its face, but that doesn't mean it was. I'd have to learn more about it and think about it. However, "banning Muslims" is something else again. Muslims are not a race. It is a religious creed, held by many races and many nationalities. The First Amendment forbids the repression of a religion or forbidding members of a creed to live and practice their creed in this country. So, banning Muslims is unconstitutional, and thus, illegal.

Gahrie said...

The First Amendment forbids the repression of a religion or forbidding members of a creed to live and practice their creed in this country

Tell that to the Mormons.

Big Mike said...

Trump will have a magic solution to the complicated problems of the world that his predecessors did not? Hahaha!

If a solution exists (and I don’t know that one does) Trump is infinitely more likely to find it and implement it than any Democrat I can think of. Like you, Cookie, Hillary Clinton would not even have tried.

mockturtle said...

Muslims are not a race. It is a religious creed, held by many races and many nationalities.

Islam is more an ideology than a religion. A militant one, at that.

Big Mike said...

And in breaking news that I hope is not fake, China has announced that it will work with South Korea to de-nuclearize the Korean peninsula. This is a first step, not a last step, but I don’t see how it happens without Trump and Tillerson, both.

pacwest said...

Religious creed? Or political system? Is there any other religion that holds as its basic tenet violent world conquest? If you can't separate the "religious" belief from the underlying political philosophy which one do you base your immigration policies on? Use some common sense. Since it is not a religious ban anyway the point is moot. It's amazing how if you repeat a lie often enough some people will accept it as truth.

Most if not all of these types of suicide killings will continue to take place in metropolitan areas, which tend to be Democratic enclaves. Isn't against their own self interests to fight against reforms that would lessen the threat to the areas they inhabit? Use some common sense please.

James K said...

The First Amendment forbids the repression of a religion or forbidding members of a creed to live and practice their creed in this country. So, banning Muslims is unconstitutional, and thus, illegal.

How would banning Muslims from immigrating to the US amount to "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Does the practice of Islam require entry into the US?

I understand there has been legislation concerning discrimination in immigration, but that is extra-Constitutional, not inherent in the 1st Amendment. The Constitution limits government power over residents of the United States, not over anyone in the world who would like to come here.

Unknown said...

American Muslims are protected by the first amendment.

That says nothing about whether non-citizen Muslims must be admitted to the country. As a fairly non-controversial (I think!) hypothetical let's say we decide to admit Iranian Bahá'í and Zoroastrians because they are persecuted at home. Does that mean we have to admint Iranian Muslims as well?

holdfast said...

OK, Robert Cook - admit it, you're an investment banker at Citi, a hardcore capitalist and your blog entire persona is a decade long epic troll. Sort of like Blighter, but a lot less funny.

For those not familiar, most of Citi's I-bankers work in their massive TriBeCa building just north of the site of this attack.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Nice counterpoint to that Democratic ad in Virginia.

Achilles said...

Robert Cook said...

Which is illegal and unconstitutional. No wonder you and others admire Trump...you're as ignorant (or contemptuous of) of our Constitution and the protections it guarantees us as Trump is.

Borders are illegal and the constitution protects everyone in the world.

Only Trump supporters would be stupid enough to deny everyone in the world the unalienable right to come to our country.

Robert Cook said...

Ha! I never say anything stupid. What did I say that was anti-American?


Double face palm.

Yancey Ward said...

Inga wrote:

"No it’s not, I have a sense of humor, even dark humor, just like Yancy Ward here."

That you don't understand why your attempt wasn't funny tells me a lot about you, Inga. The really hilarious thing is this- I could have used your phrase in my first paragraph and made it funny for you.

Yancey Ward said...

Holdfast

"Sort of like Blighter, but a lot less funny." Now there is a name I don't see nearly enough any more. Sigh.

Humperdink said...

Ray said: "The Home Depot Trucks have automatic transmissions. All the moving trucks I have rented have been automatic."

You seemed to have missed my "full-auto transmission" point.

Maybe this will help. The terrorist in question attempted to get a bump stock, but settled for a bumper instead.

Humperdink said...

It was this reported the terrorist entered the US on a "diversity" visa. Diversity visa program? Who knew?

It was also reported Chuck Schumer (D-Idiot), was a sponsor of the program.

Robert Cook said...

OK, Robert Cook - admit it, you're an investment banker at Citi, a hardcore capitalist and your blog entire persona is a decade long epic troll. Sort of like Blighter, but a lot less funny.”

Nope!

tim in vermont said...

Michael K says most shrinks are crazy. I agree.

We know where Michael K got his exposure to psychiatric professionals, and I have a pretty solid Idea where Unknown got his exposure to them too enough to have an opinion on their general mental state.

tim in vermont said...

I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”

See, this is why we recommend you don't rely on Vox.


Now THAT was funny.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga, who has been screeching about Trump's proposed immigration policies forever, now asks =How did Trump prevent this attack? He didn’t."

Every time you think Inga can't get dumber and meaner she outdoes herself. She demands that Trump let the world in and then demands to know why he didn't stop the scum who is here because Chuckie Schumer made sure of it.

Meaner? Of course it's mean. Inga is willing to have other people be murdered just so she can feel "inclusive." See, that's why I have absolutely no respect for the old hag. It's not just that she's an idiot. There are good-hearted people who are not very bright. It's that she's a cold-blooded bitch who pretends to be "compassionate."

Robert Cook said...

"As a fairly non-controversial (I think!) hypothetical let's say we decide to admit Iranian Bahá'í and Zoroastrians because they are persecuted at home. Does that mean we have to admint Iranian Muslims as well?"

Why not? What makes you think Iranian muslims are any more potentially dangerous than anyone else? Does being a Muslim--from whatever nation or of whatever national or ethnic origin--make someone potentially dangerous, or suffice to bar someone, absent any other criteria, from crossing our borders?

I don't say we should not or cannot place controls on who or how many we allow to cross our borders to visit or live. However, the comment simply said "Ban Muslims." So, does that mean ban Muslims already here? To ban American Muslims from practicing their religion? If it only applies to immigrants or foreign visitors, does it mean we place a blanket ban on entry to the US to any and all persons from any nation who are Muslims?

This is simply making xenophobia the law of the land.

The way we're going, we'll soon be a garrison state.

Jersey Fled said...

I just discovered that if I type "unknown" in "find in page" I can skip over inga's posts much easier.

JAORE said...

"... loosely described as a 'Muslim ban.'"


Loosely and inaccurately.

grackle said...

If not radicalized already a certain amount of Muslim immigrants and their offspring are going to “get” religion, sort of like our “born again” Christians. The basic problem, which is also a basic difference, is that their religion, Islam, preaches a reward for dealing death to the infidels. The “infidels” being us Americans and our children.

I say that until Islam reforms itself out of the murderous condition it has been in since its inception that America should keep Muslims from entering our country. Islam should first have to prove that Islam is accepting of freedom and tolerance in its own intolerant hellholes before we allow them to make America a hellhole.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"Blogger Unknown said..."I read that he was screaming “No collusion!”."

It is shit like this that will make me cheer when lefty cunts like you are thrown to their deaths from helicopters.

Gk1 said...

I have to ask our house liberals how many more attacks are they willing to endure before we have Common Sense Immigration policy now? That's great NYC shows resilience as they have a moment of silence or the mayor wears a black arm band for a week to show his solidarity. But doesn't being a hapless victim get old after a while? There is nothing noble in that.

Angel-Dyne said...

Robert Cook:

This is simply making xenophobia the law of the land.

One (idealistic) man's xenophobia is another (realistic) man's common sense.

The way we're going, we'll soon be a garrison state.

Nations ideologically devoted to whatever kind of "purity" tend to become police states. Nations ideologically devoted to "diversity", as an end in itself and damn the consequences, become police states. The growth of the surveillance/police state in the modern West is most definitely correlated with increase in "diversity"; every Western nation that lets in a critical mass of Muslims has developed a "Muslim problem". Gee, it's almost as if policy based on mindless ideological devotion instead of prudence and experience ends in the surveillance state getting all up in everyone's grill.

But just keep throwing brain-dead "-phobe" epithets around and repeating to yourself that "this is all exactly like the Italians in 1900 and will turn out exactly the same!" Beats thinking.

Pookie Number 2 said...

But just keep throwing brain-dead "-phobe" epithets around and repeating to yourself that "this is all exactly like the Italians in 1900 and will turn out exactly the same!" Beats thinking.

Obviously, our interlocutor's point of view depends on his not thinking, but he also lacks the integrity to acknowledge that innocent people will die when his intentionally-ignorant policy preferences are enacted.

grackle said...

… every Western nation that lets in a critical mass of Muslims has developed a "Muslim problem".

Exactly. And guess what, readers, It’s also true that every nation that avoids Muslim immigration also avoids Islamic terrorism. Coincidence?

Drago said...

Robert Cook: "The way we're going, we'll soon be a garrison state."

Fascism and "garrison state" status is always descending on the US but somehow always lands in Robert Cooks beloved leftist controlled nations.

Fabi said...

"This is simply making xenophobia the law of the land."

This NYC terrorist was allowed into our country on a "diversity lotto". Is that what you're calling xenophobic now?

Fabi said...

This NYC terrorist sponsored 23 families to come to the US. I guess diversity really is our strength.

Colin said...

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Rusty said...

Robert Cook: "The way we're going, we'll soon be a garrison state."

The "posse commitatus" act and the 2nd amendment will prevent that.