Spacey says he can't remember — after 30 years — but he remembers enough (or respects Rapp enough) to allow that it could have happened:
But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior.... This story has encouraged me to address other things about my life. I know that there are other stories out there about me and that some have been fueled by the fact that I have been so protective of my privacy.... I now choose to live as a gay man.As far as I've noticed over the decades, people were assuming Spacey is gay. Coming out as gay now, when confronted with behavior aimed at a 14 year old, is unfortunate. He's publicly identifying with a group at the point where there's something negative about his membership in it. It would have been better to come out when his fortunes were high and to add to the luster of the people you say are yours.
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From the time I saw American Beauty, which apparently was supposed to be some sort of indictment against middle America, I thought it was more of an indictment of Hollywood degradation and a certain cultural "sophistication." Spacey gave me the creeps then, and he gives me the creeps now.
Althouse, do you think homosexuality needs to be "protected" from uncomplimentary stories and inferences about it's practitioners? Must abnormal sex be celebrated and respected at all costs? Why is that deviant lifestyle so vulnerable to bad press?
"But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior..."
Odd use of "if". Yes, "if" you did something wrongful, then you would owe an apology - isn't much of an apology. A conditional apology?
OJ Simpson wrote a book, "If I did it"
Rapp was good in Dazed & Confused
@Biff
Well of course the retired Marine was a wife beater and closeted homosexual who killed someone in an attempt to hide his gayness. We all know that is everyday life in the 'burbs.
Spacey always struck me as a bit off in the sexuality department, but I think that's a combination of his "creepy-on-demand" acting persona, and the fact that I can't ever recall hearing about a wife or girlfriend for him. I don't follow celebrity much, but to some degree it's hard to totally avoid. For example, I know of other celebs of his general category who are married or dating or have been married or dating, but Spacey never showed on the radar.
Now, of course, comes the fact that he's heretically "choosing" to be a gay man. So now being gay is a choice? Who'da thought? He's gonna have some 'splainin to do, I think.
His creepiness was perfect for Kapek.
"...luster..." Ann trying to add lipstick to a pig. Shit is shit.
"Thank you, sir! May I have another?"
"OJ Simpson wrote a book, "If I did it""
I thought of the book title as I was writing the post.
The "if" allows him to talk about it without confessing.
"Coming out as gay now, when confronted with behavior aimed at a 14 year old, is unfortunate. He's publicly identifying with a group at the point where there's something negative about his membership in it. It would have been better to come out when his fortunes were high and to add to the luster of the people you say are yours."
You listening Aaron Rodgers?
It's OK to admit you're gay when you're beloved. It's not OK to admit it when you've been outed as a pervert.
Spacey and Milo.
Whatever happened to that nice young man Milo?
Had a best seller, self published.
I thought the behavior he's accused of has nothing to do with being gay. I should think that gay rights activists etc will be very upset with him...
Maybe it would've worked better if Harvey Weinstein came out as gay and Spacey swore to take on the NRA.
I am Laslo.
What kind of mother lets her 14 y.o. son go to a nightclub with a stranger, and then later an adult party alone?
Rapp said nothing about her actions/words before or after.
I wonder if any of this will affect Corey Feldman's crusade.
tola'at sfarim sais, "I thought the behavior he's accused of has nothing to do with being gay.".
That's the company line from the gay rights movement about Catholic priest gay pedophiles.
Just ask McGreevy. Coming out as a gay man gets you forgiveness for all kinds of misbehavior.
It is odd. Pretty much anytime one gets around a group of gay men, they will freely admit their preference for young boys. I visited the Pride event in the Twin Cities, and there was a booth with posters for sale that described this. But straight people seem to want to sweep this under the rug. "Oh, we don't talk about it, because that would just encourage the haters...."
Wow, the intensity of the negative reaction surprises me. Ir seems to have two parts:
1) trying to rape a 14-year-old is bad,
2) you give new life to anti-gay stereotypes that we've been trying so hard to kill,
with the latter at least as important as the former.
It also seems like people are a little afraid to criticize gay people for transgressions like this. Vagina Monologues, etc.
Althouse noticed a similar phenomenon with Ellen Degeneres leering at Katy Perry.
We can't judge gay people too much, I guess. Only straight people need to conform.
I'm waiting for the Seventy-ish actor to come forward with allegations against Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly.
I am Lslo.
This is a much better apology than others have done, not that it excuses the behavior entirely.
Roger Sweeney wrote: "you give new life to anti-gay stereotypes that we've been trying so hard to kill,"
Damn it! We've been doing our best to cover up for you, and here you go undoing all our hard work!
What kind of mother lets her 14 y.o. son go to a nightclub with a stranger, and then later an adult party alone?
I can see that happening, if the 14-yo is habitually going off to work, etc., using the subway. I doubt he told where he was actually going.
Kudos to the actor for speaking out. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
There were a lot of good looking young men on Perry Mason. The young female clients were just beards.
MM, at night?
They were just in NYC for a few months, so I doubt she had a job besides minding her son.
"Roger Sweeny said...
Wow, the intensity of the negative reaction surprises me. Ir seems to have two parts:
1) trying to rape a 14-year-old is bad,
2) you give new life to anti-gay stereotypes that we've been trying so hard to kill,
with the latter at least as important as the former."
The left doesn't care about A. B is all that matters. Just like no one really cared about Harvey Weinstein's behavior. They just cared about getting caught up in it with their acceptance.
MM, at night?
They were just in NYC for a few months, so I doubt she had a job besides minding her son.
I think it would be easy to say, "He's with other Broadway actors. He'll be fine"
If Kevin Spacey had been at the University of Broadway, he'd have been kicked out for this. But I guess he gets a pass because it didn't happen between two college students.
Ps. have any of you ever been drunk and hit on a 14 year old? Come on.
Also- maybe now we can give ourselves permission to stop living according to the rules of the left.
In New York City?
BTW, this is the story that made me realize Spacey is gay:
Hollywood star Kevin Spacey has been brutally mugged in a London park.
The OSCAR-winner told police he was attacked and his mobile phone was stolen while he walked his dog in south London's GERALDINE MARY HARMSWORTH PARK at 4.30am on Saturday (17APR04).
But Spacey - who was treated in hospital for a minor head injury - stunned police by returning to the station where he reported the crime, to withdraw his claim.
A Scotland Yard spokesperson says, "He had a head injury and said he'd been robbed of his phone.
"But he returned and withdrew the theft allegation. As far as police are concerned, there's no crime to investigate."
The park, close to the OLD VIC THEATRE where Spacey is artistic director, is not a known danger spot.
http://www.contactmusic.net/kevin-spacey/news/spacey-attacked-in-london-park
We are observing social misfits. One way they defend themselves is to shout "I'm just like you! Everyone does that!"
No, we don't. Instapundit keeps saying "this is how you get more Trump." He's correct. If you keep accusing me of being as bad as the sociopaths who show up in the news, I'm going to put you on the ignore list and will never vote for you, because I know better. I don't rape a 14-year-old. It's not working to say well, everyone did it.
"I can't be a pedophile--I am very private but choose to live as a gay man. There are other stories out there about similar behavior but now I am addressing the problems that caused my likely-illegal actions."
Yeah, the main problem with all that is it might make people think less of gays. It might remind people of the totally-false stereotype that many gay men are sexually attracted to young boys.
The real crime would be if the backlash hurt this group, right? Sounds awfully familiar.
A lot of rumors about Spacey over the years (gawker, data lounge, etc).
Common theme of pushing himself on young actors, hangers-on, etc.
I found this by Googling "Kevin Spacey touched my asshole."
I am Laslo.
It could be worse. He could have been raped by the cast of Cats.
So for years one of the things that those who oppose homosexuality as a lifestyle liked to throw out was that it was rooted in pedophilia. Gay men shouldn't be left alone with young boys. They couldn't be Cub Scout Masters. Now in the face of a questionable action involving a minor the best excuse Spacey can give is "I'm GAY!" Whose side is he on?
Shorter Spacey: “I’m not a pedophile, I’m just gay!”
Curious George, lol. Wins the thread.
And the media that runs headlines that say "Spacey comes out as gay!" Instead of focusing on the pedophelia aspect of the story are complicit in their own way of trying to covering for gays who do this!
And they need to be called out loud and strong by everyone! Gay and straight.
Who could have predicted that a gay person would attempt to use it natural empathy as a weapon to obfuscate their own less than savory behavior/beliefs and/or cover for disingenuous arguments for their own political positions?
I mean, that neeeeever happens, right?
From "it's just about love" to "bake that fucking cake, bigot" this isn't some new patteen.
As far as I've noticed over the decades, people were assuming Spacey is gay. Coming out as gay now, when confronted with behavior aimed at a 14 year old, is unfortunate. He's publicly identifying with a group at the point where there's something negative about his membership in it. It would have been better to come out when his fortunes were high and to add to the luster of the people you say are yours.
What luster? Are you not putting gays on some kind of moral pedestal while railing against straight men who prey on young girls?
Keyser Söze is a pedophile.
I'm shocked we're not seeing the same feeding frenzy over this we are with men harassing women. Why it's almost like the left only gets outraged by stories which fit their political agenda.
I think she meant "lustre".
I bet he is now going to devote all his energy towards defeating the NRA.
Whew! For a second I thought it was Kevin "YOUR BOYFRIEND'S ON TV!" Bacon.
What Biff said! American Beauty really is the apotheosis of Hollywood's condescension toward middle america.
Seeing Roman Polanski's Repulsion come up in the Turner Movie Classic queue reminded me of the other tried and true Hollywood plot device....the liberation of the repressed housewife's raging libido. Because once we rubes finally realize that the only thing holding us back from a more enlightened existence is socially constructed sexual morality, we will break the chains of sexual repression and usher in an age of aquarius, filled with love, rainbows, unicorns and menages-a-trois.
From another thread,
Can I see the hands of the three people in American shocked that Kevin Spacey is gay.
Kevin Spacey sucks. He now officially comes out after he molested an underage kid. I am surprised the actor he molested is still working in Hollywood.
From the Buzzfeed article, Rapp was playing on Broadway with Ed Harris, a boy whose drunken father, misidentifying his son, gets on top of him like Spacey did. If Rapp hadn't told other people about it before Spacey became famous, I'd begin to doubt his story.
luster lustre or just plain lust?
For fuck sakes. He's a gay pedophile. If he did it once he's probably done it a lot. That's how it works with pedophiles. It's never just once. He richly deserves what's probably not coming to him. Hollywood will protect him (and Polanski, and Bryan Singer, and Michael Jackson, etc., etc.) like the Catholic Church protected its gay pedophile priests. Gay activists will deny that he's gay, will deny that man-on-boy sex is gay sex.
It would have been better to come out when his fortunes were high and to add to the luster of the people you say are yours.
Good point, Althouse. I'll wait for the peak timing to declare myself a heterosexual.
Why is there a "luster" attached to homosexuality any more or less than to heterosexuality?
If Rapp weren't a successful actor, chances are Spacey would do a Clinton and deny, deny, deny. And try to discredit a nobody.
Okay, so Polanski isn't gay. He's a heterosexual pedophile. So let's replace him with Pete ("I was just doing research on pedophilia") Townsend.
Any why are some folks compelled to wear their sexual preference as a badge?
I was drunk and I'm (a) GAY (squirrel)!
A tepid response from the gay apologist, Ann Althouse.
Today's the day to have a scandal. Non-stop coverage of Paul Manafort. If today it came out that Queen Elizabeth got flashed by Harvey, it wouldn't cause a ripple in their coverage.......It's hard to deliver a sincere, open apology for behavior that could put you in the slammer for a number of years. This exhibited just enough contrition to qualify as an apology and just enough obfuscation to not be used in a court of law.......Presuming no other victims step forward, he may get away with it. His screen persona is kind of creepy. This just adds another layer of creepiness. I find Harrison Ford's friendship and support of of Roman Polanski more disturbing than this.........Actors are their images. There's been an awful lot of image damage lately.
Well of course the retired Marine was a wife beater and closeted homosexual who killed someone in an attempt to hide his gayness.
Yeah. I made the mistake of seeing that movie. I notice the latest revival, called "Sunurbicon" or something, died at the box office last weekend. Clooney with his long string of left wing flops.
Hollywood has let its disdain for normal people show for decades. I guess it's a coincidence that movies attendance has collapsed.
Read what Glenn Greenwald, a gay INTELLECTUALLY HONEST man has to say about Spacey and how people like Althouse and the MSM are pussy footing about felony molestation of a child!
I predicted the open secret gay rape shit would come out a couple weeks ago and also predicted the muted elitist response.
It just occurred to me that Spacey probably pegged Rapp as gay when he was sober. Otherwise he mightn't have jumped on the boy who stayed behind in his bedroom. No less despicable.
Bob Ellison said...
"It's OK to admit you're gay when you're beloved. It's not OK to admit it when you've been outed as a pervert."
Ummm. You can call it "gay". Hell you can call it "exuberant", for all I care. "Wildly ecstatic". But just as a matter of definition, homosexuality is a perversion.
This terminology arises from the idea that there is a purpose to sex, which is not served by homosexual practices. I suppose that logic is archaic. When it was generally believed, or at least publicly asserted, that humans had a creator, the purpose of sex was evident. Evolution is not purposive, but I resist the debasement of the language. When men make sexual advances to underage (but fertile) girls, that is illegal, and immoral, but it's not perverted. And when two men have sex, they may be "married", but it's still perverse.
I'm sure he'll get the Milo treatment now. Not.
Anyway, for progs claiming gayness is the get out of jail card.
I think one reason a lot of people are feeling off-balance is that the old rules don't seem to apply anymore. I don't want to credit Trump with this, I think he's at least as much effect as cause.
Harvey Weinstein reacts to the outcry: Yeah, I've sinned - now let me redeem myself by really taking it to the NRA, and using my huge influence to take down Donald Trump! Who's with me? [Expects stirring music and applause, gets crickets.]
Kevin Spacey: Gosh, I don't remember but if I did do it, I'm really sorry. Hey, I know I've been really private all these years, but - I'm gay. [Waits for applause and support.]
[A few people: Kevin, we love you! Many, many more people, straight, gay, left, right: Wow, that is really transparent and pathetic. Nice try.]
Thirty years later to reveal an incident where Spacey desisted once Mr. Rapp told him he was not interested!
I was approached a few times by gay men when I was young, once by a very large military officer who could have overpowered me with no trouble whatsoever. He touched me and repeated touching me, but once I shook my initial fear and confusion and told him I was not interested, he stopped. The incident bothered me for a while, but I chose not to report it to anyone in authority. Looking back after all these years, I have respect for this guy who, at the moment of decision, treated me with respect.
It goes without saying that this statement was vetted if not written by his lawyer and/or publicist. No doubt that when they wrote it, they suspected that just like with the first woman to come forth against Bill Cosby, Rapp may be only the first to step forward and some of the others may be making allegations that won’t be outside the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution and/or civil liability. Spacey’s basically trying to generate sympathy with “I had a drinking problem” and “I was in denial about who I am” in the hopes of buying time or making them more reluctant to come forth (or possibly agree to settle quickly, quietly and cheaply).
It's pretty obvious that the "I'm gay" revelation, or should I say "revelation," is an intentional distraction in the hopes that "journalists" will be fooled to focus on the gay part as opposed to the sexual predator part. From early indications, it is working.
At this point I am not sure if I should go with Ben Rhodes observation that journalists in general are dumb and basically know nothing about anything so they are easily duped, or if they are more comparable to the sheep in Animal Farm. The fact that this is the purview of entertainment journalists should make it all the more stupid.
"Anyway, for progs claiming gayness is the get out of jail card.
Wasn't that the rumor that was floated about Shep Smith? That he came out as gay when he heard that Roger Ailes wanted to fire him?
David, it depends on where touched and how old you were.
Does anyone know the NY statute of limitations for whatever crime this is?
On L&O SVU, they said there's none for rape. True?
Out: I am going to address my own behavior and other things about my life by focusing on defeating Trump and the evil NRA. We good?
In: I am going to address my own behavior and other things about my life by telling you that I now choose to live my life as a gay man. We good?
Ralph L said...
David, it depends on where touched and how old you were.
To an extent. But the 30 year wait is what gets me. If it were a forcible rape it should be exposed at any time. But for a clumsy rejected pass that involved physical touch, I find it disturbing that someone choses to publicize this after 30 years. Rapp was 14, but he (and his parents) were choosing to let him live independently in a fast paced adult world for purposes of their own ambitions. His ambitions may still be involved in his revelation.
Roughcoat said...
"For fuck sakes. He's a gay pedophile. If he did it once he's probably done it a lot. That's how it works with pedophiles. It's never just once."
Yeah, it's kind of interesting that he says he doesn't remember it but maybe it happened. Like, "Who can remember all the 14-year-olds he climbed on top of when he was drunk, 30-odd years ago?"
he (and his parents) were choosing to let him live independently in a fast paced adult world
New York City in the mid 80's: high crime and the AIDS crisis ramping up. Article implies a single mother, who ought to have had some idea her son was gay. The part he had in the play sounds like it crosses boundaries as Spacey did. The Rapps are lucky this was all that happened to him (if it was all).
Behind every ridiculous failed public statement is.......an expensive attorney who crafted and advised it. Is Spacey's Lawyer Lisa Bloom? The best legal advice would have been to stay silent and hope this thing runs its course. The "Streisand Effect" or some such. Lot's of bad legal advice in Hollywood.
have any of you ever been drunk and hit on a 14 year old? Come on.
Under normal circumstances, that behavior would be immediately shutdown, with [extreme] prejudice.
The significance of his transgender orientation goes to selection of his victims. It may have other meanings, possibly a correlation with other trans-social behaviors, but that is not a given.
How was the exposure of the transgender pedophile priests (i.e. authority figures) in the Catholic Church handled?
have any of you ever been drunk and hit on a 14 year old? Come on.
When I was 14........
the "clumsy pass" and "physical touch" involved throwing a 14-year old kid on a bed and getting on top of him.
Otherwise known as gay foreplay.
It would have been better to come out when his fortunes were high and to add to the luster of the people you say are yours.
It's now playing on getting a pass, but gays have a gay mafia rep today in addition. It's no longer the clever and amusing gays of old.
The age of consent in Canada, often cited as a progressive's paradise, was 14 in the 1980s.
In 2008 the (Conservative) government of Canada raised the age of consent from 14 to 16, over much criticism and opposition.
" The federal government’s proposal to raise the age of consent in Canada from 14 to 16 was vocally opposed by homosexual advocacy groups who accused the government of attacking the sexual freedoms of young people. "
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/age-of-consent-at-14-makes-canada-favoured-sex-tourism-destination
One poster above: "He now officially comes out after he molested an underage kid."
Are you sure? What was the age of consent in that place at that time? This, aside from the question of just what actually happened, and whether it was molestation, *matters*.
The double-speak is strong on this. Just a few years ago I heard the complaint that raising the age of consent was homophobic. Now suggesting some men are attracted to 14 year old boys is homophobic.
I find it disturbing that someone choses to publicize this after 30 years. Rapp was 14
I found the interview with him, linked at the article, pretty compelling. It's something he has talked about for quite a while -- although not openly, to the Press. The story presented shows that it has festered inside him the entire time.
Roughcoat said...
For fuck sakes. He's a gay pedophile. If he did it once he's probably done it a lot. That's how it works with pedophiles. It's never just once. He richly deserves what's probably not coming to him. Hollywood will protect him (and Polanski, and Bryan Singer, and Michael Jackson, etc., etc.) like the Catholic Church protected its gay pedophile priests. Gay activists will deny that he's gay, will deny that man-on-boy sex is gay sex.
10/30/17, 9:29 AM
Shh, Roughcoat, J. Farmer will say you're crazy, if he hears you from wherever he's hiding.
Scratch a gay man and usually you will find the vulnerable adolescent who was groomed, recruited and “initiated” . “Things unsaid” is the perfect keyword for this. Maybe this is the next mask to come off, after sex a la Weinstein.
It would be interesting to know how many gay men actually DON'T find 14 year old boys attractive. Titus? Anyone?
Given that Anthony Rapp is also gay, where was the foul? He was saving his anus for gay marriage? I doubt it. It seems more like ageism.
It would be interesting to know how many gay men actually DON'T find 14 year old boys attractive. Titus? Anyone?
I've said this here before but my 65 year old wealthy gay brother in law tours the country in his RV with boyfriends he meets in gay campgrounds and proudly posts their shirtless snuggly selfies on Facebook. They are all usually about 20 and look five years younger. It's repellent because of the age and not the gender, but guys, remember that gays are so oppressed and marginalized and forced to live in the closet that they can brag about fucking boys forty years their junior and their family and friends applaud (they have to demonstrate how woke and accepting they are, you see).
Furthermore, he has been married to a man his own age for twenty years, but there is evidently room in the marriage for the aforementioned activities.
Did y'all see that House of Cards was cancelled? All those people out of work because Netflix, who has been making money for years off of Spacey's weird sexual aura, has to virtue signal.
Milo's mistake was refusing to play the victim card.
Wrong Narrative for the zeitgeist, as we are seeing.
It is unclear if House of Cards is "canceled" or "CANCELED!" From what I understand, Season 6 is currently being filmed and, last I heard, there was no word that Spacey would not be involved. This is simply an announcement that this is the last season, which apparently Netflix was most likely going to do anyway. Right now, this is prime virtue signaling as it is a statement that says nothing and means nothing, but Netflix hopes you do not notice. Whether this actually turns into something substantial like kicking Spacey off the show remains unknown.
This is not about being gay, but about an adult making a physically aggressive pass at a 14 year-old. WTF?
Throwing the gay card doesn't get you out of it, just as throwing the het card wouldn't.
George Clooney is a versatile actor. He's probably in need of a gig. Anyway, he should be......He'd make a good replacement for Spacey on House of Cards. Remember how they switched Darrens on Bewitched.....There's something unsavory about giving Spacey another big paycheck, and there's also something unsavory about throwing a lot of people out work because of him.
This could explain a lot.
In 2004, Spacey's older brother reported that their father repeatedly raped him (the brother). Also, the father was a Nazi -- the real thing, a card-carrying member of the American Nazi Party:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/04/28/kevin-spacey-family-secrets-are-out.html
The brother also says that he protected Spacey from being abused by the father, but Spacey shut down, "had no feelings," and eventually cut the brother out of his life:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5032809/Kevin-Spacey-s-father-Nazi-child-rapist-brother-says.html
Milo's mistake was refusing to play the victim card.
He couldn't. A huge part of his shtick was an attack on victim culture.
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