October 2, 2017

"A gunman firing from a Las Vegas hotel rained a rapid-fire barrage on a huge outdoor concert festival on Sunday night..."

"... sending thousands of people fleeing until SWAT units found and killed him," the NYT reports.
More than 50 victims died, and at least 200 others were wounded, officials said, making it one of the deadliest mass shootings in United States history.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County... identified the gunman as Stephen Paddock, 64. He said the police were seeking “a companion” named Marilou Danley, and the authorities later said they were “confident” they had located her....

Video of the shooting captured nine seconds of rapid-fire, continuous bursts, followed by 37 seconds of silence from the weapon amid panicked screaming. The barrage of gunfire then erupted again in at least two more rounds, both shorter than the first.


Who was Stephen Paddock? I'm not seeing any details other than that he was 64 and "of Mesquite, Nevada." I put that in quotes because "of" is different from "from." It indicates only his current place of residence.

ADDED: As for Marilou Danley (who is in custody): "She is described as an Asian woman, around four feet 11 inches tall and weighing 111 lbs." That's from The Daily Mail, which also says that Paddock's lived in a house built 3 years ago and valued at $396,000.

I'm seeing the street address as a particular number on Babbling Brook Court, but Google Street view only gets me to the entrance to the neighborhood:



UPDATE: "At least 50 dead, more than 400 injured after shooting on Las Vegas Strip" (WaPo).
The carnage in Las Vegas surpassed the death toll of 49 people slain in June 2016 when a gunman in Orlando, who later said he was inspired by the Islamic State, opened fire inside a crowded nightclub....

Police believe Paddock, a local resident, was a “lone wolf” attacker. Lombardo did not give further details, however, on Paddock’s background or possible motivation.

“We have no idea what his belief system was,” Lombardo said during a briefing. “Right now, we believe he was the sole aggressor, and the scene is static.”

169 comments:

Danno said...

Very sad. I saw a headline earlier, but got busy doing morning routine stuff.

CJ said...

Companion in custody. We will know soon enough.

MisterBuddwing said...

Jesus H. Christ.

rhhardin said...

It's entertainment. 10,000 Americans die every day.

Motive: notoriety, which is being supplied.

Everybody comes out ahead, media and shooter.

On the bright side, a minute of silence can be added to the prayer and the anthem in the next football game.

Crowd control is a populist art.

Ralph L said...

Jeez, rh--curmudge much?

rhhardin said...

Watch with media profit in mind. What will draw eyeballs we can sell to advertisers.

Mary Beth said...

She's no longer s person of interest.

MaxedOutMama said...

Horrible. We will have to see if the "companion" knew anything.

In particular, it is surprising to see an older man committing this type of random mass murder - the stereotype arising from evidence is that younger people are more violently inclined.

J. Farmer said...

@rhhardin:

Watch with media profit in mind. What will draw eyeballs we can sell to advertisers.

Haven't these time slots been already been sold to advertisers long ago? And I am not sure that channels that get a tiny bump when a major news story breaks will get to use that to increase ad revenues, which I believe are based on historical ratings. Then again, I don't know that much about the television advertisement business, so I may be completely wrong.

AllenS said...

Stephen Paddock

FleetUSA said...

Was he on drugs, high? Sounds like it was planned to some extent.

AReasonableMan said...

Guns everywhere, making us safer.

rhhardin said...

It's the topic of the day for as long as they can get ratings from it. Today's ratings determine tomorrow's ad rates.

There's not only the news aspect, with rising death count producing new beaking news items, but a week and a half of stories of sadness for the women's channel, from those families that don't punch out the reporter.

Jessica in the well was the start of the genre, in the 80s. News genre ratings were discovered.

Assrat said...

Awful, and my condolences to the families of the victims.

>In particular, it is surprising to see an older man committing this type of random mass murder

Yes, it's very puzzling.

>Watch with media profit in mind.

You need to stop assuming everyone else is a sociopath.

rhhardin said...

The deplorable thing is that the media know that the produce the next shooting, but it's small price to pay for ratings.

Mary Beth said...

Did he pick a country music event because it would be full of stereotypical Trump voters? If you keep hearing how Trump voters are Nazis and you need to take them out....

tim in vermont said...

Police found him dead, apparently, when they got there.

tim in vermont said...

Did he pick a country music event because it would be full of stereotypical Trump voters? If you keep hearing how Trump voters are Nazis and you need to take them out....

Can we just not, today, anyway.

"Known to law enforcement." Sheesh.

Rusty said...

AReasonableMan said...
"Guns everywhere, making us safer."

Something told me you'd show up.
ARM The leftist scold. "You people can't handle freedom so we're going to take yours away."

rhhardin said...

The audience isn't sociopaths, they're just dupes.

Pinandpuller said...

It's so rare for an automatic weapon to be used in something like this that you probably have to go back to the 30's to see anything similar. But Nevada has has a lot of them.

I suppose 50 state carry just went out the window along with Harry Reid's exercise equipment.

J. Farmer said...

@rhhardin:

Jessica in the well was the start of the genre, in the 80s. News genre ratings were discovered.

Hmm...could be right. Jessica in the well was 1987, and in 1989, New York Magazine published "Grins, Gore, and Videotape: the Trouble with Local TV News." The article was the origin of the phrase, "if it bleeds, it leads."

J. Farmer said...

@rhhardin:

The deplorable thing is that the media know that the produce the next shooting, but it's small price to pay for ratings.

But what is the solution? Not report or cover it?

rehajm said...

Can we just not, today, anyway.

The frequency of these events has dramatically shortened the cynicism waiting period.

Larry J said...

It sounds like he used a fully automatic weapon. The feds will be working very hard to learn how he obtained it. It's possible for civilians to legally buy a fully automatic weapon but it requires a process that includes a background check and costs money. Those legal automatic weapons are very expensive. IIRC, if this was a legally obtained automatic weapon, it would be the first or second time one was ever used in a crime since the laws were enacted in the 1930s. It's likely far easier and less expensive to get an illegal weapon. A lot of stuff gets smuggled into the country every day. We should know soon enough.

tim in vermont said...

I know, there was a terror attack by a "refugee" in Edmonton Friday, we at least know what that one was about. We had the terror attack on "white christians" in Tennessee this past week, nobody too interested. Those we know something about, but this one we kind of know next to nothing right now

rehajm said...

It sounds like he used a fully automatic weapon.

This morning the left is learning the term 'bump fire'.

Brookzene said...

So while none of us know about the motives, it's a good thing to be a little humble about assigning some kind of political blame ("Trump supporter!" "Anti-Trump supporter!")

It's not going to justify anyone's side. It shouldn't be about blame. The non-24 hr news media (main networks) does a pretty good job usually although they dip into salaciousness and sensationalism - it's hard to get this stuff right imo. CNN has a problem filling it's airwaves, fighting for ratings, so they do go overboard. I don't think their coverage triggers individuals much anymore (maybe when they were newer). I think motivation can be tied to selfishness, self-centeredness, thrill-seeking, general dissatisfaction with their own personal lives.

Anyway, however you see it I think responding with a little more kindness, respect and consideration to each other - to our opponents - is wisdom. It's really tough for all of us.

rhhardin said...

But what is the solution? Not report or cover it?

News item and done, if it's actually reportable news. There's always the entertainment factor, so watch out. Am I being played.

10,000 Americans die every day (round numbers) so what's reportable is already in the what's interesting category.

Rusty said...

rehajm said...
It sounds like he used a fully automatic weapon.

This morning the left is learning the term 'bump fire'.

Difficult to maintain in any other stance than standing and firing from the hip.

C Hayes said...

Weird how similar he looks to James Hodgkinson, 66 years old.

rhhardin said...

Cynicism has to step in fast in these situations before too much fun is had in the grief orgy.

Gaius Gracchus said...

Companion's Facebook page is full of Bernie, resistance, Maddow, etc. likes.....

J. Farmer said...

@rhhardin:

There's always the entertainment factor, so watch out. Am I being played.

Aren't the viewers the ones pulling the strings? If they weren't interested in and had no appetite for it, there'd be no ratings boost. Isn't the media reacting to a demand from the public? And even if the media did a total black out, wouldn't it still filter up through the various social media fora?

I get your point about a desire for notoriety motivating people, though I doubt in and of itself it is a sufficient motivation, but I don't really see anyway you can stop it in such a connected world.

Pinandpuller said...

His brother said he wasn't political or religious, which I find somewhat dubious.

If he voted for anyone besides Trump it's all going to be about the gun.

I'm sorry, but if it's not ISIS and it's an old white guy I'm guessing he took a one knee shooting stance.

Bob Boyd said...

"Difficult to maintain in any other stance than standing and firing from the hip."

I read he prepared "shooting platforms", so maybe the gun was on some kind of swivel to keep it under control.

rhhardin said...

Well you can refuse to go along. Disgust with the media can become a meme that prevents taking that ratings boost even if it's available.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Of Mesquite Nevada
100% speculation on my part.....however.....here goes.

First. He lived in a Sun City retirement community. An expensive type of adult community structured around golf courses and other wealthy senior activities. I doubt entirely that he is a Nevada, Mesquite "resident" and is instead a transplant.

Knowing many people from California who have decided to leave the formely State, mostly for tax purposes, most have moved TO Nevada and have congregated in the uber white, wealthy, senior living areas.

I would not be surprised if this isn't the case for this guy. The fact that he targeted a well known country western event tells me he is not a "conservative".

My best guess is a retired liberal from California.

Guessing.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

err....Formerly Golden State of California.

Pinandpuller said...

People afraid of flash suppressors and bayonet lugs are looking a little foolish. Normal (high capacity!) magazines hardest hit.

CStanley said...

@DBQ- he has family in FL and owned a residence in Melbourne a few years ago...so I suspect you're right about the "transplant" part but not from CA.

Oso Negro said...

Blogger Gaius Gracchus said...
Companion's Facebook page is full of Bernie, resistance, Maddow, etc. likes.....

10/2/17, 8:01 AM


I thought it interesting that there is NO reporting of his political affiliations or allegiances. Typically, if there is even a whiff of right wing it is all over the news at once. But why would a person who hated Black Lives Matter open up on a country music concert? Much more likely to be a "resister" in my opinion. If he was simply crazy as a wink bird, I would guess his "companion" might have had something to say. I am startled that she was let go so quickly, unless she was a rented companion.

Laslo Spatula said...

No one cared about Ed Gein's politics.

Sometimes it is just good ol' American Crazy.

I am Laslo.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Media already using the term "Biggest ever".

Oh do shut up.

Pinandpuller said...

Was he known to law enforcement for golfcart DUI or for practicing in the desert like James Hodgkinsin?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

DBQ - your guess is a good one. The media will not find it, even if it is comes to light.

Laslo Spatula said...

The Key is if he believed that those he killed would be his slaves in the Afterlife.

I am Laslo.

AllenS said...

DBQ --

North Hollywood, CA and Van Nuys.

tim in vermont said...

Maybe he was part of the country music culture and this concert was within his zeitgeist as a place where he could kill a lot of people?

I listen to country music occasionally, well vintage country music, not the new crap, and taking a gun to do some killin' of an ex-wife and her rich lover (He always has a big house on the hill) is kind of a theme you hear quite a bit.

My point isn't that this is why he did it, my point is that with as few facts as we have now, one can invent any theory one wants.

Kate said...

Vegas, despite its outsized fame, is not a big place. It's a little theme park with a small metro that supports it. This is overwhelming. My heart breaks for the victims, families and first responders, but also for the town itself. Vegas has always been wacky, but not dangerous.

Pinandpuller said...

He supposedly had 10 rifles so probably no more than one automatic, if really any.

James K said...

First time I've agreed with a @Brookzene post (7:56am). I hope saying so isn't self-contradictory.

tim in vermont said...

Was he known to law enforcement for golfcart DUI or for practicing in the desert like James Hodgkinsin?

All they said was that he had a "citation" that was handled "normally." So it could have been either one. Why they are holding back info, I always wonder. I guess there is the possibility of the involvement of others who will need to be prosecuted.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Indeed, Kate. Well said. *Hoping our Vegas friends were not at that concert*

tim in vermont said...

He supposedly had 10 rifles so probably no more than one automatic, if really any

He had two platforms. Of course that could mean anything, just like anything you hear today.

LarsPorsena said...

There's video on Youtube. Sounded like sustained automatic fire. Last time I heard this was
in the Army.

Humperdink said...

"He supposedly had 10 rifles so probably no more than one automatic, if really any."

Listening to the audio on the video, it sure as heck sounded like full auto to me.

AllenS said...

He also lived in Texas for a short time. How about this address, it says it all --

9362 Moonbeam Ave UNIT 10
Van Nuys, CA 91402

Emphasis on Moonbeam

Humperdink said...

MSNBC "Nevada has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country." That took long.

Assrat said...

>Guns everywhere, making us safer.

I'd bet that the concert was a gun free zone.

>My point isn't that this is why he did it, my point is that with as few facts as we have now, one can invent any theory one wants.

You're right, of course. Speculation is fine as long as you remember it's speculation.

The Cracker Emcee Activist said...

"Anyway, however you see it I think responding with a little more kindness, respect and consideration to each other - to our opponents - is wisdom. It's really tough for all of us."

Ah, so you think he was a Leftist crazy goaded on by the bullshit hysterics of the last year. Got it.

AReasonableMan said...

Brookzene said...
It shouldn't be about blame.


The blame should be placed squarely on our violent gun culture, whatever his personal beliefs, or lack thereof.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The sound on the video is astounding. The rapid fire of the automatic is terrifying.


"he is dead... currently" Is that going to change?

Pinandpuller said...

Any guy who owns 10 guns has a few thoughts on politics. I promise you.

Todd said...

It was "interesting" to hear CNN take a measured approach to events this morning. They even had someone knowledgeable with firearms explain the difference between sami-auto and full-auto AND the anchor allowed himself to be corrected as to the greater difficulty in handling a full-auto firearm.

This was before 7:00AM EST so I suspect that with the arrival of the standard "morning team" CNN will get back to normal operations.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Listening to the audio on the video, it sure as heck sounded like full auto to me.

This is what my Hubby said too. Full auto. While the sounds were echoing off of the other buildings the firing was full auto and only stopped for a moment while changing weapons.

Quaestor said...

A lot of stuff gets smuggled into the country every day. We should know soon enough.

At a party held some years back, I got into an occasionally heated discussion with someone over gun laws. The exchange went something like this:

ME: You say our firearms laws should be like those in the EU, correct? Then explain how the Muslim terrorists who massacred the staff of Charlie Hebdo using fully automatic AK-47 rifles?

SHE: Don't know. Don't care.

ME: You should because it's important. Let me put it another way. If you were to compare the illegal drug trade, especially the trade in cocaine and heroin, to a legal and legit business would you choose a corporation like Merck or FedEx?

SHE: Between those two? Merck, obviously. Viagra's a drug. Crack is a drug.

ME: I disagree. The drug cartels aren't "drug companies". They're logistic companies. They make money moving products, any products, from where they are made to where they are consumed. In the case of crack cocaine, it's from the mountains of Columbia where the coca is grown to here where the crack is smoked. While it's true that the cartels run factories where the coca leaves are processed into cocaine — something along the lines of what a pharma company does — the major effort of the operation is smuggling, the surreptitious transportation of contraband goods from one place to another. Just like FedEx except FedEx moves legal stuff in an open and lawful manner. What they move is immaterial. Whatever is both illegal and desirable is grist for their mill — drugs, whores, stolen Porsches, or Uzi submachine guns.

themightypuck said...

Even NYT early reports need to be taken with grain of salt. Last I read, he killed himself before SWAT found him.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Automatic weapons, which BTW are illegal unless you have a certain license in some states and is a rare event. So increasing gun control laws on normal citizens is not going to correct THIS type of event.

Bay Area Guy said...

Horrible, just horrible. Godspeed to the victims and surviving families.

rehajm said...

Automatic weapons, which BTW are illegal unless you have a certain license in some states and is a rare event.

A semi-auto modified with a product like Slide Fire is essentially full auto.

Pinandpuller said...

It's possible he was shooting one automatic and had nine more semis lined up like the cabin scene in Outlaw Josey Wales. 10 automatics would maybe be worth as much as his house. He could have used furniture or mattresses and headboards to create a position. Or sandbags in his luggage.

I wonder if he ever had a road rage incident.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Thank you rehajm. I didn't know about this product. [Slide Fire]

Quaestor said...

Anybody who buys pot unlawfully knows how to buy a machine gun.

Freder Frederson said...

I'd bet that the concert was a gun free zone.

Yeah, if someone only had a weapon in the crowd, they could have turned it on a guy holed up in the 32nd floor of a hotel across the street and the hero could have saved many lives.

Yeah, right.

holdfast said...

It's not that hard to make a semi-auto weapon into a full-auto, or just build one from scratch.

It's harder to do so if you want it to reliably stop firing when you release the trigger, but for a massacre like this, one wouldn't care.

Law-abiding people - like the tens of thousands of machinists who easily could do so - don't do this because there are some rather severe Federal penalties for doing so, and since the sound of full-auto is rather distinctive, there's nowhere to shoot it for fun.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Althouse's street view is dated 2011. Houses have been springing up like mushrooms, overnight, in Nevada due to the increasing waves of escapees from California.

That cul-de-sac is likely now packed with houses and landscaped to resemble the area from which they have fled. With SUVs, that will never see anything like a dirt road, parked ostentatiously in front of the homes.

Titus said...

Is a house valued at $396,000 in Nevada considered nice?

mockturtle said...

Putting the TV on briefly this morning, I was more than a little annoyed by some of the young female interviewees kind of giggling about the 'crazy night' and obviously enjoying the limelight.

Pinandpuller said...

NV laws don't matter. Machine guns are Class 3 federally Usually restricted to LEO's, gun dealers and The One Percent. If there is paper on that machine gun the owner is likely going to pound me in the ass federal prison

Assrat said...

>Yeah, right.

Has there ever been a mass shooting in a place that wasn't a gun free zone?

Can we start calling them"Massacre Magnets?"

Michael K said...

"It sounds like he used a fully automatic weapon."

Yes, I saw the video link. That had to be full auto.

I'm sure there are full auto AK 47s around.

My wife and daughter and son and DIL have been there. Glad they were home last night.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The hack press will speculate about "crazy right" up until they find out the guy was a Bernie supporter.

holdfast said...

Well, some states outright ban MGs, even if one has the correct federal paperwork.

LV has a few ranges with extensive MG collections for tourists to shoot.

Todd said...

rehajm said...

A semi-auto modified with a product like Slide Fire is essentially full auto.

10/2/17, 8:44 AM


By that standard, a model rocket is essentially a ICMB.

A "slide fire" is a rifle stock device that allows someone to "bump fire" a rifle by using the recoil of the firing (after the initial trigger pull) to bump the rifle for a vary fast follow-up firing. You can achieve something that sounds and looks like full auto but it is not. Mechanically quite different. There are a few different rifle (and pistol) add-ons that try to do this, the "slide fire" is the most well known and has become somewhat of a generic term to describe these stock-assist devices.

There are even Youtube videos showing how to approximate a slide fire by hooking your thump into your pants-belt loop.

tim in vermont said...

Is a house valued at $396,000 in Nevada considered nice?

Considerably nicer than the studio condo with no parking that you might get for the money in Cambridge.

Laslo Spatula said...

But I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

American Crazy.

I am Laslo.

Michael K said...

"they could have turned it on a guy holed up in the 32nd floor of a hotel across the street and the hero could have saved many lives."

You obviously know nothing about the Texas mass shooting of the 60s. This guy killed himself when the cops started breaking down the door to the room. That shooter was killed by two policemen but they had help from others.

The Texas shooting was stopped when two men reached the top floor of the building where the shooter had barricaded himself. One was a LEO, the other was a civilian with a gun.

* Civilian Allen Crum, first-floor supervisor of UT Co-op, made his way atop the UT Tower and, with Agent Cowan’s weapon, assisted Officer Martinez and backed up Officer Day on the south side of the observation deck. Brian Jewell of the Co-op.

Michael K said...

"Is a house valued at $396,000 in Nevada considered nice?"

That's probably average for Mesquite, which is about half what the same house would cost on Orange County CA.

Pinandpuller said...

Titus

Most places.

rehajm said...

By that standard, a model rocket is essentially a ICMB.

Use whatever terms make you happy, I don't care. The point was to illustrate how easy it is to procure a weapon that could fire a large number of rounds consistent with whats being reported.

Quaestor said...

FF the Metropolis Guy wrote: Yeah, right.

Once more, Freder, your ignorance shines brighter than your wit. I suggest you read up on the famous mass murderer, Charles Whitman. Just like Paddock Whitman stationed himself far above his victims, in 1966 it was the University of Texas bell tower. Whitman shot at anyone he could hit, include emergency medics sent to rescue those already shot. The Austin police were unable to help because they normally had only their service revolvers or riot guns to fire back at Whitman. Armed citizens came to their aid with their personal weapons, rifles mainly, which they used to force Whitman to take cover rather than fire unopposed at anyone he saw.

tim in vermont said...

Some concertgoers were reportedly warned about the shooting at a Route 91 Harvest country music festival, which left at least 50 dead and more than 400 injured so far. According to one witness, a woman who matches the description of the shooter’s roommate, Marylou Danley, taunted some concertgoers about 45 minutes before the attack that they were “all going to die.” “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die,” the witness told local news about the woman, who had pushed her way to the

hmmmm.....

Funny how quickly they cleared this lady, whose social media was all Maddow, Bernie, etc, just like they guy who tried to assassinate as many Republican Congressmen as he could.

It's still early, but info like that would certainly move the betting line if this were a horse race.

Jason said...

We need commonsense regulation of fully-automatic pitch correction programs NOW.

Trumpit said...

This is the price we pay for the 2nd Amendment. We shall not infringe on the right to hunt and kill wildlife. My freezers are packed with bison, deer, rabbit, squirrel, raccoon, bobcat, prairie dog, bear, and a few other species that I killed for food. I say that I eat everything I shoot, but to be honest, I can't stand the taste of game. I tried to give the meat to the local homeless shelter, but they don't want it for some reason. Maybe, I'll send the meat to the starving masses in North Korea. Mass murders are the small price we pay to live in a civilized society. Had there been several sharpshooters in the crowd, this calamity could have been nipped in the bud, and John Kennedy would be celebrating his 100th birthday.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Tim @ 9:21 - where did you find that information?

tim in vermont said...

We were warned "you're all gonna die"

Video interview down the page, sounds like there were at least two others involved. Not sure why they let his girlfriend go, just like that, and announced her cleared. You tell me if you think she is a crazy person making it all up.

tim in vermont said...

Venison can be pretty good, but you have to handle it properly, and you probably should be a good shot, to avoid contaminating the flavor of the meat. Wild duck? Well, like lake trout, or vegamite, you sort of have to grow up on it to enjoy it.

But the expert on everything deplorable can fill us all in on the real truth.

tim in vermont said...

ISIS claims the attack. It gets curiouser and curiouser.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

thanks, T in V.

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

They played the audio of the start of the shooting during the top-of-the-hour news during commute this morning.

It was awful. First time I actually wished for a 'trigger warning' cuz I would have turned it off. Not trying to make a pun and don't care if I sound like a p*ssy. Horrible.

Clyde said...

It will be interesting to see what kind of social media profile the psychopath had. What kind of sick hatred motivated him to murder and injure so many people?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Give it the 24 hour rule. I have no idea what the scumbag's motives were. it is highly doubtful a "violent white male Trump supporter" would shoot up a CW festival.

Since I am not knowledgeable about the varieties of mental illness, can someone who is (like Francisco D.) tell us if schizophrenics are capable of planning an attack as meticulously detailed as this one was?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Media happy to take ISIS as scapegoat if it turns out this guy was a leftwing Bernie supporting leftwing nut job.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Clyde said...
It will be interesting to see what kind of social media profile the psychopath had."

Apparently he didn't have much of one at all. That's not so surprising for a 64 year old.

tim in vermont said...

I am pretty sure that your freezer full of game would be warmly received in North Korea, if you could get it there. Communism has a way of broadening the appetites of its subjects. Solzhenitsyn wrote about some prisoners condemned to the Gulag working in a mine who came upon a frog that had been locked in the coal for eons, and they ate it immediately "with relish" Not picked relish either, they enjoyed it.

Freeman Hunt said...

I wonder if it will turn out to be one of those amygdala pressing tumors. Usually if there's a history of serious mental illness or weird ideology, the family seems less surprised.

Jason said...

Trumpit: The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, dumbass.

Pinandpuller said...

Is anyone familiar with John Gilbert Graham or Andrew Kehoe? Crazy white people don't need guns to kill. Sane people don't use explosives for self defenses.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Terrible, terrible stuff. I really hope the final toll is not higher than what's being reported now.

walter said...

Pinandpuller said...Was he known to law enforcement for golfcart DUI..
--
ALl I've heard on that was a statement by police that he had one previous citation processed in normal fashion.
So..not really telling.

Rick said...

Larry J said...
It sounds like he used a fully automatic weapon. The feds will be working very hard to learn how he obtained it.


It's overwhelmingly likely he purchased it as semi-automatic and converted it to auto himself.

Titus said...

No one cared about Ed Gein's politics.

Sometimes it is just good ol' American Crazy.

I am Laslo.

agreed....crazy is crazy

Original Mike said...

Quaestor said..."Anybody who buys pot unlawfully knows how to buy a machine gun."

Not up to your usual standards of intelligent comment.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Tim in Vermont said: Venison can be pretty good, but you have to handle it properly, and you probably should be a good shot, to avoid contaminating the flavor of the meat. Wild duck? Well, like lake trout, or vegamite, you sort of have to grow up on it to enjoy it.

Trumpit thinks 'it' is funny, but in reality there is nothing wrong with hunting and wild game as a nice supplement to the freezer. Not contaminating the venison is a serious issue and does require a carefully placed shot. As well as when field dressing to be careful to not contaminate with gut or bladder fluids. Glazing, wrapping and hanging before butchering also enhances the meat. My husband's family existed on mostly venison until he was 12 years old. They lived in logging camps in the Trinity Alps and in Oregon. Fishing and hunting were the mainstays of their diet.

Now, wild duck? It depends on what the duck has been eating. A fishing duck like a Coot or other....gaack. However mallards, widgeons are ok. Geese are best and although illegal...Swans are delicious...or so I have heard :-). We mostly breast the wildfowl, pound the meat to tenderize before cooking, and stew the rest of the bird which is really tough. Wild fowl have very little body fat and this is why most people don't like them because they cook as if they were domestic (fat) birds.

Now back to our regularly scheduled speculation on the Las Vegas shooting and sniping at each other about guns, politics etc.

walter said...

Noooo...was hoping for some recipes.

Unknown said...

Gun nuts, Congratulations, yet another mass shooting by mentally ill people obsessed with guns.

tim in vermont said...

Unknown has the facts already, everybody can relax!

Pinandpuller said...

Trumpit

If it weren't for the British RFK would still be alive.

Michael K said...

" However mallards, widgeons are ok. Geese are best"

We used to cook mallards with an onion in the body cavity. They are pretty greasy,

Coots NO !

tim in vermont said...

One recipe for wild duck I have been sort of wanting to try is to encase the whole duck, feathers and all, in mud and bury it in a pit of coals. When you remove the casing, the feathers come off and you pick off the meat. Kind of like a bronzino encased in salt.

Pinandpuller said...

A freezer in NK is called winter.

Michael K said...

"You tell me if you think she is a crazy person making it all up."

Maybe the "girlfriend" is a local hooker he picked up.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga, we don't know the story yet. "We" includes you.

Pinandpuller said...

Something tells me BLM won't be down for the struggle if only cops have guns.

Pinandpuller said...

TIL Chicago was full of gun nuts.

Unknown said...

"I think that ISIS is credible in these matters. We already have witnesses claiming that two others at least, knew about the attack prior to it."

Tim knows!

Michael K said...

" When you remove the casing, the feathers come off and you pick off the meat. Kind of like a bronzino encased in salt."

I was always in charge of cleaning the game and the way to get all the feathers off ducks is to get a pot of boiling water and float a block of paraffin on it. When the paraffin has melted, you dip the duck into the boiling water (carefully) and when you pull it out, the feathers are coated with paraffin. You let it cool and then break the paraffin coat and pull it off and all the feathers come off with the paraffin mold.

I was doing this when I was ten years old. Maybe it had something to do with my becoming a surgeon.

AllenS said...

Damn, this is worse than a weekend in Chicago.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

@ Tim

I used to roast the mallards whole in one of these Clay Roasters Pluck the mallard (PITA) Prick all over. Maybe cover with a bit of bacon strips if it seems too lean. Onions ala Michael K. Garlic cloves. Salt Pepper, Thyme or other spices. You soak the roaster first and the bird is sort of steam roasted and very moist. Line the bottom with parchment paper or you will end up with a greasy roaster that is hard to clean (gross). If you want or have a broiler, you can crisp up the duck at the very last.

Same idea as your clay recipe but easier and no feathers.

See....recipes :-)

Dust Bunny Queen said...

OOH Parafin blocks. I have a bunch of those. Thanks Michael. I had just used the scalding method.

AllenS said...

DBQ, just remember to not gut the birds before dipping them in the parafin. Back when my dad was alive, duck hunting was a real big deal.

Big Mike said...

I'm seeing the street address as a particular number on Babbling Brook Court, but Google Street view only gets me to the entrance to the neighborhood

@Althouse, I've read elsewhere that he lived in a gated community. That would explain why Google Street view could go no further. The satellite view shows large houses on relatively small plots of very arid ground.

Original Mike said...

"Unknown has the facts already, everybody can relax!"

Not only that, I'm sure she has the solution too.

walter said...

Just a few more for the commemorative cookbook...proceeds to go to the victims families and NAMI.

Big Mike said...

The online Daily Mirror reports:

"The suspect was later named as Stephen Paddock, who it is claimed had converted to Islam."

OTOH, the Mirror is basically a tabloid so one may take that with a grain of salt.

Big Mike said...

The shooter's brother, Ed Paddock, claims that his brother "was not an avid gun guy at all." Another report says that there were ten guns in the room when SWAT broke in. These two statements do not add up.

Something else seems strange to me. The 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel is at least 100 yards up in the air, and the concert site is well away from the hotel. My point is that, even though Stephen Paddock was spraying automatic fire, it seems to me that he had to have practicing more than a little just to get his rounds to hit close to the crowd. How did he do that with no one noticing?

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Big Mike said...
The shooter's brother, Ed Paddock, claims that his brother "was not an avid gun guy at all."

It could also be possible that the shooter's brother really wasn't that close to him and has no idea what he believed or didn't believe. I know people who haven't talked to their siblings in years.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Gun nuts, Congratulations, yet another mass shooting by mentally ill people obsessed with guns."

Thank you sincerely but compared to the millions I kill using reverse-psychology to encourage abortion these dead people seem small in number. So I congratulate myself for the net millions of aborted leftists moreso than your meager congratulations you found to be warranted in this instance.

Pinandpuller said...

I may be crazy but I just skin fowl when I butcher it. I'm not into neck breaking either so I just use a .22.

Those Romertops are totally the shit too. I do stuff like dump in a can of black beans and some Jerusalem artichokes.

Freeman Hunt said...

So far no weird information about Paddock. Could come out later. Wonder if it's possible that someone else used his room and killed him?

walter said...

Oy Freeman, that would be a diabolical deed...

James K said...

Wonder if it's possible that someone else used his room and killed him?

There will be security video of him coming and going with large bags, I suspect.

exiledonmainstreet said...

I posted this in another thread, but it's really shocking - although it shouldn't be.

"A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she "is not even sympathetic" for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.

"If they wouldn't do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing," wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. "I'm actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters."

Rick said...

Freeman Hunt said...
So far no weird information about Paddock. Could come out later. Wonder if it's possible that someone else used his room and killed him?


Reports suggest someone was firing from the room as police arrived. Presuming that's true how could another person have exited the room? It seems unlikely.

Rick said...

Hayley needs to update that resume.

David said...

" Wonder if it's possible that someone else used his room and killed him?"

That's gonna make a great conspiracy theory.

Quaestor said...

Authorities say a woman who was a companion of the Las Vegas shooter is considered a person of interest and is out of the country.

Is this Marylou Danley or someone else?

Rick said...

Is this Marylou Danley or someone else?

Yes, but she's no longer a person of interest.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Rick said...
Hayley needs to update that resume.

10/2/17, 12:03 PM

So she can get hired by MSNBC?

Rick said...

So she can get hired by MSNBC?

She's destined for academia. Hiring someone so open about their hatred of Americans would damage MSNBC's influence.

Howard said...

So glad Hayley has provided you people with the red meat fix required to hold up your fragile ego's and low "T" numbers. That said, she is a cunt who needs to be hounded 24/7 until she has a nervous breakdown.

walter said...

Haley must have been cheering when Scalise was shot.

walter said...

..and depressed when he lived.

Rick said...

Howard said...
So glad Hayley has provided you people with the red meat fix required to hold up your fragile ego's and low "T" numbers.


Notice this doesn't accurately describe any of the responses. It's like our trolls determine how they characterize everything completely without regard to reality.

We really need a better class of troll.

Assrat said...

>So glad Hayley has provided you people with the red meat fix required to hold up your fragile ego's and low "T" numbers

But remember that it's Trump who is divisive.

walter said...

Howard! Where ya been? Did you carry out your social justice protest at work in front of customers?

Assrat said...

>It's like our trolls determine how they characterize everything completely without regard to reality.

There is something robotic about it, isn't there? Orwell did use the line "Orthodoxy is unconsciouness."

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Notice this doesn't accurately describe any of the responses"

Yep. Does Howard's low-T problem make reading comprehension difficult for him?

tim in vermont said...

"A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she "is not even sympathetic" for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.

Even ISIS noted that the problem with the Pulse killings was that they alienated their allies on the left, so they needed a target that cheered their allies.

Remember Michael Moore's post on his website on 9-11 about how the terrorist attacked their friends in NYC and should have attacked Kansas City or Dallas?

Rusty said...

AReasonableMan said...
Brookzene said...
It shouldn't be about blame.

"The blame should be placed squarely on our violent gun culture, whatever his personal beliefs, or lack thereof."

Of course it will. Communal guilt. That is the America ARM believes in. Gun owners. The filthy Jews of the new century.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"The blame should be placed squarely on our violent gun culture, whatever his personal beliefs, or lack thereof."

Of course ARM believes that. However, when a Muslim shoots up Pulse Nightclub, ARM does not rush to blame violent Muslim culture. Instead we are told we can not judge an entire religion by the actions of a few.

Sweeping generalizations only apply to conservative gun owners.

Brookzene said...

But remember that it's Trump who is divisive.

Trump is divisive. But he did a good job today and he was not divisive. That's what the president needs to do.

Rick said...

Trump is divisive.

That's what the left said about Romney and Bush, plus every other person they've ever disagreed with. Which is how they got Trump.

There's a satisfying symmetry there.

Original Mike said...

"That's what the left said about Romney and Bush, plus every other person they've ever disagreed with."

Yep. It's getting very tiresome.

Jim at said...

Hayley Geftman-Gold = Inga by a different name

CStanley said...

There's quite a bit of daylight, I think, between the brother's description of "just a guy who played online poker" and a guy who referred to himself as a professional gambler and was making daily bets that exceeded 10K at casinos. At best his brother didn't know him very well...at worst he may have suspected some criminal connections and doesn't want to acknowledge his failure to report his suspicions,

gnome said...

If Marilou Danley has any sense at all she won't be returning to the US, where Althouse (and seemingly everyone else) already has her in custody.

In the rest of the world, she's in the Philippines and is not a person of interest. I think in the US they lock you up first and let you try to prove your innocence over the next few years if you're rich enough.