September 28, 2017

"The Black student population at Cornell disproportionately represents international or first-generation African or Caribbean students."

"While these students have a right to flourish at Cornell, there is a lack of investment in Black students whose families were affected directly by the African Holocaust in America. Cornell must work to actively support students whose families have been impacted for generations by white supremacy and American fascism."

From "Cornell Black Students group issues 6-page list of demands" (Legal Insurrection).

This demand must strike fear into institutions that are engaging in racial balancing on a superficial, how-does-it-look? level.

195 comments:

Scott McGlasson said...

From the THEY WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED file.

rcocean said...

If BLM would support immigration restriction, this would be a non-issue.

Scott McGlasson said...

Isn't this just proof that none of this is is about inclusiveness and completely about power?

Dave D said...

And how are African and Carribean peoples any less impacted by "white supremacy" and/or "fascism"? Deep pockets is my guess.

I would offer that Africans are victims of a much worse generational poverty/disparity of wealth brought on my current corrupt governments empowered by Euro-colonialism and the exploitation during that time.

James Graham said...

Whenever I read "diversity" as used in academia I mentally revise it to "derma-diversity" since invariably they refer to skin pigmentation.

This news confirms it. They pretend to favor American blacks who endured white supremacy but they'd much rather deal with real Africans or Caribbeans.

rcocean said...

Blacks from Hati/Dominican Republic have suffered far more than American blacks.

Blacks in Jamaica were slaves until 1833, and couldn't vote or hold office until the mid 1960s.

They seem to suffered plenty.

BarrySanders20 said...

Diversity is the legal justification for affirmative action. Surely it enhances the diversity goal to mingle with student from Africa or the Caribbean, even first generation Americans from these areas, than with plain old black people who have been here longer than many plain old white people. I'm beginning to think this is all about reparations and really doesn't have anything to do with opportunity.

Laslo Spatula said...

How can you just leave me standing?
Alone in a world that's so cold? (So cold)
Maybe I'm just too demanding
Maybe I'm just like my father too bold
Maybe you're just like my mother
She's never satisfied (She's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry

I am Laslo.

MikeR said...

"The Black student population at Cornell disproportionately represents international or first-generation African or Caribbean students." I'd be interested in the numbers. And SAT scores.

traditionalguy said...

The African Holocaust was Portugese/Brazilian, Spanish/South American and Caribbean, and French /Caribbean, and British/Carribean, and Dutch /Caribbean for 200 years before it worked its way into the American coastal south for the last 70 years.

So these political revenge specialists need to wipe out all exchange students from England, France, Brussells, Spain and especially Portugal before attacking real Americans for the evil of being White.

Bay Area Guy said...

Cornell is a prestigious Ivy League school in upstate New York, right?

I think all these mis-treated Cornell minorities should take a collective knee to this horrible administration and take their talents to Fordham University in the Bronx.

Laslo Spatula said...

Hey momma
Is it true what they say that papa never worked a day, in his life
And momma, some bad talk goin' round town
Sayin' that papa had three outside children
And another wife, and that ain't right
I heard them talking papa doing some store front preachin'
Talking about saving souls and all the time leechin'
Dealing in dirt, and stealing in the name of the Lord
Momma just hung her head and said

Papa was a rolling stone, my son
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
And when he died, all he left us was alone

I am Laslo.

sparrow said...

Just shows that success is more culturally derived rather than racial.

Anonymous said...

If "the Black student population at Cornell disproportionately represents international or first-generation African or Caribbean students", and the group saying this is the group at Cornell that "represents" those particular students, aren't the members of hte group saying that they have no legitimacy?

sparrow said...

Maybe the real question is why is the domestic culture failing? The lack of family structure would be my guess.

Gahrie said...

Cornell must work to actively support students whose families have been impacted for generations by white supremacy and American fascism."

Proper response?

A polite fuck you.

gspencer said...

"the African Holocaust in America"

Huh?

Prior to 1973 since a "holocaust" never existed. Since 1973, it's been horrific.

But I don't think that's what these AA beneficiaries are referencing.

Sally327 said...

"This demand must strike fear into institutions that are engaging in racial balancing on a superficial, how-does-it-look? level."

Absolutely. Terrifying. It's not just a matter of "how do we satisfy the aggrieved" but also "what about these African and Caribbean students", how do we handle this so they don't feel marginalized.

MadisonMan said...

Obvious Link. Wish I could find the whole sketch. Here's the script.

Gahrie said...

I would offer that Africans are victims of a much worse generational poverty/disparity of wealth brought on my current corrupt governments empowered by Euro-colonialism and the exploitation during that time.

Actually things have gotten much worse for sub-Saharan Africa since the end of colonialism. Those corrupt governments weren't empowered by colonialism, colonialism is what was preventing them. Africans are, and have always been, victims of African corruption and exploitation except during colonialism.

The problem isn't that colonialism happened, the problem is that colonialism ended too soon.

Oso Negro said...

The was NO African Holocaust in the United States of America. To the contrary, the slave population thrived here. Compare to outcomes for African slaves sent to Brazil. In addition, there is the question of comparative economic outcomes between those of African descent in the USA and those who remained in Africa. It is an unfortunate fact of history that the forebears of the African slave descendants in the USA were the losers of Africa - enslaved and sold to foreigners by OTHER black Africans and Arab traders, but I will be goddamned if I am going to foot any more of the bill for it centuries later.

Sigivald said...

Fascism, eh?

"Sod off, Swampy" is the correct response to such "demands".

PJ said...

I'm not aware of any institutions that engage in racial balancing on any deeper level, although admittedly my knowledge may be much inferior to Ann's. In any case, when the legally-prescribed justification for any of this "positive discrimination" is a "diversity" calculated to enrich the educational experience of current students, it's hard to see how an essentially remedial discrimination in favor of descendants of slaves passes muster. In that regard, one wonders how "disproportion" is calculated.

Rick said...

Wait, you mean diversity isn't the reason the left supports race preferences after all? It was a fig-leaf justification?

Whoever could have guessed?

Michael K said...

I would offer that Africans are victims of a much worse generational poverty/disparity of wealth brought on my current corrupt governments empowered by Euro-colonialism and the exploitation during that time.

In fact, the leaving of Africa by the Colonials is responsible for much of the devastation wrought by local dictators.

The essay, "The Case For Colonialism" was so disruptive of the SJWs that it was retracted by the author. Not because it was wrong or biased but because the left could not tolerate the triggering.

Other professors were especially outraged.

In the abstract of the essay, Gilley, a political science professor at Portland State University, argues that Western colonialism was “as a general rule, both objectively beneficial and subjectively legitimate in most of the places where it was found, using realistic measures of those concepts.

“The countries that embraced their colonial inheritance, by and large, did better than those that spurned it,” he elaborates. “Anti-colonial ideology imposed grave harms on subject peoples and continues to thwart sustained development and a fruitful encounter with modernity in many places.”

Gilley also argues that the practice of colonialism “can be recovered by weak and fragile states today in three ways: by reclaiming colonial modes of governance; by recolonising some areas; and by creating new Western colonies from scratch.”


Mugabe, after he became president of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, tried to get Lord Soames, the last colonial governor, to stay and help him govern.

That is not allowed in modern leftist scholarship. Of course, Zimbabwe has descended into anarchy since independence but we are not allowed to admit it.

The Drill SGT said...

1. Obviously there were impacts of black slavery in places other than the USA.

2. These African and other non-American blacks would seem to be much more "diverse", and that's the whole legal fiction, isn't it? As opposed to "reparations"

3. The fact is that black immigrants and their first generation children are infected with "white man's disease". They display imitative, want to succeed, and work harder. Colin Powell's parents and their kids are an example.

Owen said...

This is a natural response to the AA initiative. It just needs to accommodate the next level of diversity within "POC" so that we have "POC - Caribbean" and "POC -Detroit (West Side)" and "POC -Watts (Rotten Borough 1.13)" and so on.

Yes, the corrupt structure becomes more overt, but come on! We've had over 50 years to get used to swallowing that swill.

mccullough said...

The percentage of "whites" who are Jewish at Ivy League schools is also not reflective of the population either. By categorizing at a broader level of generality, the Ivy League betrays diversity. Also, the percentage of students from upper income/wealth households is very high. The Ivy League doesn't reflect US society

mockturtle said...

The African Holocaust in America? This is just laughable. That anyone should take this list seriously is also laughable. They are students at Cornell and they have been victimized. Right.

Abdul Abulbul Amir said...

When you run a spoils system, you need to grease all the right skids.

mockturtle said...

And speaking of Caribbean, did Trump not feature a video of Jamaican Usain Bolt pausing in an interview to respect the US national anthem? American blacks have better opportunities than any people of color on the planet. If they don't appreciate that fact, then they should leave.

buwaya said...

I am, of course, a strong proponent of colonialism.
For the sake of the colonized.

But its not coming back until some way is found to make it pay for the colonizers. That is why colonialism ended, it was a waste of colonialists resources. After WWI and WWII these places were unaffordable, for the sake of whatever non-economic advantages they still offered.

mccullough said...

Based on the demands, they want a Wall against foreign born blacks and want to exclude blacks with a foreign born parent, like Obama. In other words they want a Wall and are Birthers.

Fernandinande said...

6-page list of demands

They're pretty lazy if they could only come up with six pages. Perhaps they should take lessons from professional whiners:

NFL issues 153-page list of demands for Super Bowl host city

Virgil Hilts said...


I don't know if I first saw this posted on Althouse, but this Heterodox Academy article from last year is must-reading.
https://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/05/12/the-amazing-1969-prophecy/


Henry said...

Cornell must work to actively support students whose families have been impacted for generations by white supremacy and American fascism."

A few more "ands" and you have a null set.

Bay Area Guy said...

Q: Did you guys know that blacks were once slaves in America?

Well, Yes, that ended over 150 years ago. We fought a war over it. Many white Americans fought and died to undo this injustice.

Q: Well, the problems of blacks in 2017 are due to the slavery from 150 years ago, and the persistent effects of racism!

A: Really? In Oakland, the high school drop-out rate in public schools is 50%. Almost all the public high schools are black and other minorities. All are run by inner city Democrats. All the teachers are Democrats. Hmm. Shouldn't we address this high drop-out rate, rather than the grievances of spolied Cornell students?

Crimso said...

"Isn't this just proof that none of this is is about inclusiveness and completely about power?"

That's exactly why the only institutions that feel fear over this are those inclined to even listen to demands being made by people who are in no position to make such demands. Complying with "demands" by (fill in the blank) Student Group is letting the inmates run the asylum. I'd be much more inclined to hear them out if they were "suggestions" or "ideas." "Demands" are things that come from accrediting bodies, governing boards, legislatures (in the case of public institutions), etc.

Todd said...

So apparently being "woke" is no longer enough. Must folks now be "bwoke"?

Or is the new word "AHAFIWSAF"(African Holocaust in America Families Impacted by white Supremacy and American Fascism)? A bit hard to pronounce...

MaxedOutMama said...

What jumped out at me was the mandating of training (and rating/retaining/promotion of professional staff) based on the "power" theories of diversity.

This movement has reached its natural end in academia, but its death throes will be extraordinary to watch. How do you walk it back?

YoungHegelian said...

Ah, diversity's dirty little secret -- the folks who run it discovered long ago that African & Caribbean blacks are not only black, but they perform every bit as well as white students.

In my neighborhood in DC, entire service industries are now manned primarily by African blacks. Ethiopian women seem to have taken over the bank teller business (fine by me -- Ethiopian women tend to be really pretty). Cab & Uber drivers -- African. Baristas -- African.

These African communities have intact families where dad is very involved. It is, in a real sense, HIS family. When it comes to schooling, they're very serious. If you're an African kid, you're taking French & Calculus, & you'll do well in them, or it's time for a serious talk with Dad.

Michael K said...

The majority of my black medical students were foreign born. They did not understand American blacks, mostly.

Renee said...

Students of recent African Immigration have fathers in their homes.

My parish is filled with these families, all with father's.

rhhardin said...

Blacks with fathers do better than blacks without fathers.

traditionalguy said...

Actually the enslaved Africans Holocaust ( eventually 30% 0f African Population)was run as a eugenic cleansing death camp by the European Kings with Papal blessing when it was directed to import slaves to labor clearing land in the horrible tropics (which were disease areas with little food and no medicine) under a work them to death and bring in a boat of new ones system for growing the CASH crop, Sugar.

In the 13 colonies this was not the way slaves were worked until the 1820s ( apart from some coastal South Carolina Rice plantations,) It was after Eli Whitney's invention made Cotton into the King Cash Crop that the Sugar Plantation System came to the American south to clear new land and work the field crops. That happened as a quick transition Financed by New York, London and New England Bankers and done for their Cotton Mill owners.

Jack Tors said...

Given their fixation on skin color redolent of Antebellum and Jim Crow-era Democrats, wouldn't it be more appropriate for modern-day "progressives" to describe themselves as "regressives"?

mockturtle said...

Young Hegelian: My younger daughter works for a large corporation started, owned and run by a Nigerian-born woman.

Todd said...

MaxedOutMama said...

This movement has reached its natural end in academia, but its death throes will be extraordinary to watch. How do you walk it back?

9/28/17, 12:26 PM


You don't. You let physical academia eat its self alive. Higher education will be saved by online higher ed. It will reduce the costs to attend, reduce the need for support administrators, allow education to be more "color blind" (as everyone is remote), and will allow all involved to focus more on teaching and learning.

I have taken a number of college courses on-line and [for me at least] it works very well. More flexible scheduling and much less "distractions".

There will still be room for a few physical institutions but they will be able to be "reborn" back into their older form whereas they can focus on knowledge and learning.

So I predict...

Bay Area Guy said...

To harmonize the tensions on the Cornell campus, I suggest the administration show a noon-time movie, preferably a light-hearted comedy, on an outdoor large screen in the Quad, and provide the students with free refreshments.

I'm thinking Blazing Saddles by Mel Brooks.

Martin said...

Oh, like Barack Obama: Massachusetts Bay Colony white on his mother's side, and father a late colonial Kenyan tribal elite black, and not a scintilla of Southern slavery or Jim Crow in his background?

I swear, it used to be about once or twice a year I thought we had reached Peak Stupid, and something would set a new standard. That is SOOOO 2013.

Now, it's 2 or 3 times a day. Heck, my eyes are still burning from Jerry Jones "Taking the knee" and now I see this, which by logic SHOULD question whole premise of affirmative action as conceived and, but is meant in the opposite way.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Its always a superficial "how does it look/feel" level. Its also racist. Good Lord, read the dissent(s) of Clarence Thomas in the Fisher v UT case(s). What a crock!

Was it CJ Roberts who said something like 'the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race, is to stop discriminating on the basis of race'?

Todd said...

Bay Area Guy said...

I'm thinking Blazing Saddles by Mel Brooks.

9/28/17, 12:40 PM


A) That is F---ing funny!

B) That movie was damn funny (and could not possibly get made today).

C) The video of the little snowflakes freaking out would be almost as funny as the film.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Also, isn't the concept of "disproportionately represents" the giveaway here? if we make decisions based on proportionality, i.e. the "correct" proportions, then its simply a quota; we're trying to match the population. Absolutely racist!

Greg Hlatky said...

Demands include:

No brown M&Ms.

No wire hangers.

Earnest Prole said...

The same complaint applies precisely to Barrack Obama, the son of a Kenyan elite and his white, middle-class American wife. If you told me eight years ago that the radical, racial left would soon be carrying water for the radical, racial right, I would not have believed you.

Bay Area Guy said...

@YoungHegelian,

"In my neighborhood in DC, entire service industries are now manned primarily by African blacks."

We should really call these hard-working immigrants, "African African-Americans" to distinguish them from "African-Americans." Don't be insensitive!

exhelodrvr1 said...

Next they will have columns on the spreadsheet for total percent blackness, total percent Caribbean blackness, total percent recent African blackness, and total percent American Blackness prior to 1863.

jwl said...

Malcolm Gladwell - Black Like Them:

In the past twenty years, the number of West Indians in America has exploded. There are now half a million in the New York area alone and, despite their recent arrival, they make substantially more money than American blacks. They live in better neighborhoods. Their families are stronger. In the New York area, in fact, West Indians fare about as well as Chinese and Korean immigrants. That is why the Caribbean invasion and the issue of West Indian identity have become such controversial issues.

What does it say about the nature of racism that another group of blacks, who have the same legacy of slavery as their American counterparts and are physically indistinguishable from them, can come here and succeed as well as the Chinese and the Koreans do? Is overcoming racism as simple as doing what Noel does, which is to dismiss it, to hold himself above it, to brave it and move on?

http://gladwell.com/black-like-them/

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

After reading the list of demands, I recommend that the writers "to" take a course in English grammar.

Rick said...

Cornell must work to actively support students whose families have been impacted for generations by white supremacy and American fascism."

What are we calling American fascism this week?

Quaestor said...

Documenting the African Holocaust in America

Greg Hlatky said...

If these special woke snowflakes feel imperiled at Cornell, there are a lot of fine HBCUs they could transfer to and receive a perfectly good education if they were seeking one.

Where you go to school is less important than what you put into it when you're there.

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Clyde said...

*crumple* *crumple* *crumple*

Wow, a six-page crumple ball. Look, there's a wastebasket! He shoots, he scores!

Next set of demands from overprivileged crybullies? I can do this all day!

Hagar said...

The African Holocaust in America?

Aren't they threading on holy ground here?

Bay Area Guy said...

OMG -- I finally read the 6 page letter by the students.

Oh My F%@^@^# God.

The "educated" stupidity is off the charts. It is so embarrassing, so feeble, so pretentious, so illiterate, that I feel I need to read some Chaucer to regain my equilibrium.

Where do they learn to write in such vague generalities?

RichardJohnson said...

MikeR:
"The Black student population at Cornell disproportionately represents international or first-generation African or Caribbean students." I'd be interested in the numbers. And SAT scores.

Inside Higher Ed(2007: The Immigrant Factor.

"Percentage of Immigrants Among Black Students in Selective Colleges Studied:" 40.6% for the Ivy League.

Parental roles: Immigrant students were more likely to be raised by two parents (56.9 percent to 51.4 percent) and were more likely to have a father present (61.2 percent to 55.6 percent).
Fathers' education: While the educational attainment of students' mothers wasn't notably different, immigrants' fathers were much more educated, as is consistent with immigrant populations generally. Among black students, 70 percent of immigrants' fathers were college graduates, compared to 55.2 percent of other black students. And 43.6 percent of the immigrant students' fathers had advanced degrees, compared to 25.3 percent of native black students.
Religion: The immigrant students were more than twice as likely as the other black students to be Roman Catholic (30.2 percent to 13.1 percent) and less likely to be Protestant. (Levels of religious observance, however, were quite similar, and minimal.)
Schooling: The immigrant black students were more likely to have attended private schools (41.7 percent compared to 27.3 percent for other black students) and less likely to have been exposed to violence in schools (55.3 percent to 63.1 percent).
Academics: The immigrant students had slightly higher grade-point averages and took slightly more Advanced Placement courses, but they had a statistically significant advantage on SAT average (1250 to 1193).


Differences between black offspring of immigrants and black offspring with parents born in the US are not as high as some may have suspected: 57 points higher on the SAT, and 5.5% higher percent of two-parent families.

chuck said...

I would offer that Africans are victims of a much worse generational poverty/disparity of wealth brought on my current corrupt governments empowered by Euro-colonialism and the exploitation during that time.

Once upon a time, I worked at a German nursery that specialized in roses. Most of the other workers were Italian and Spanish, but there were a pair of cousins from the Ivory Coast. I showed them a picture in Time of Claude Brown, author of Manchild in the Promised Land, which showed him standing on a pile of rubble with delapidated buildings in the background. They were surprised, "Looks like home" they said. They were expecting something worse ...

mockturtle said...

chuck: That reminds me of a Russian-born scientist I worked with who came into my office wielding a Time Magazine article on the American prison system which featured a photo of a prison cell. He asked incredulously if that was where prisoners were kept and I told him, yes, that was a single prisoner cell in the photo. He exclaimed that 'a Russian family would be lucky to have an apartment that nice'.

All is relative, is it not? Multimillionaire football players and Cornell students somehow imagine injustice.

David said...

The gaming of black student statistics with children of privileged Africans, recent immigrants and other privileged blacks from around the world by top elite American schools has been known but ignored for some time. Whatever the motivations or literacy levels of these protestors, they are identifying a undeniable and scandalous fact. The related scandalous fact is the vast underperformance by African Americans on SAT and other standardized admission related tests. ETS did a study breaking down performance by race about a decade ago, and does not dare repeat it.

The basic problem remains the substandard secondary education most blacks are exposed to, together with the social pathologies that make that inhibit learning for black students in many communities. (Yes, Madison and Milwaukee, I am looking at you.) The liberal and bureaucratic educational establishments have had no solution for these problems, and strenuously (often dishonestly) reject ideas advanced by others.

Yet they are rarely held accountable.

JPS said...

"We demand that all students, undergraduate and graduate, to have appropriate, ongoing, and mandatory coursework that deals with issues of identity (such as race, class, religion, ability status, sexual/romantic orientation, gender, citizenship status, etc.). We want this coursework to be explicitly focused on systems of power and privilege in the United States and centering the voices of oppressed people, assembled by professional diversity consultants and student leaders. Every Dean of every college should implement this requirement, and hire faculty to teach this work who are well equipped to do so."

We think you have loathsome totalitarian inclinations.

Khesanh 0802 said...

The Harvard breakdown for this years's Freshman class noted 14.6% African American. It also includes 12.4% of the class as International with no breakdown of ethnicity, but it would seem that African American is a very specific group. By contrast Cornell's breakdown is 8.0% African American, (5.1% bi racial - don't know how you count them) and 17.9% "not reported (they're kidding, right?) or other. At first blush theCornell A-A's seem to have a valid gripe if one believes there should distribution equal to the racial makeup of the population. Of course, the missing statistic is how many A-A's applied for this freshman class.

The other interesting statistic is that Cornell admitted only 19.1 % Asian Americans, Harvard 22.0% . Harvard is being sued for not admitting enough Asian-Americans. Where's the justice?

Clearly the A-A students of Cornell should kneel at the 50 yard line of the Harvard/Cornell game this year. That will get everything straightened out to their liking.

Vittorio Jano IV said...

@exhelodrbr1: From a TV news report earlier this year:

"The Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920 required lease successors to be at least 1/4 Hawaiian in order to take over a lease. Nearly 100 years later, a proposal heard Tuesday at the state capitol aimed to lower that requirement to 1/32."

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Michael K said...

"In my neighborhood in DC, entire service industries are now manned primarily by African blacks."

I have interviewed several joining the US Army, which has a citizenship program. One I talked to last year had his plans all made, Army, citizen, college on GI Bill and medical school. I wished him well.

When I was at Dartmouth 25 years ago I met one who was a foreign student, living with my neighbor and working the night shift at the dining hall. He could not understand how American students could come into the dining hall at 4 AM drunk.

I'll bet he is doing well somewhere.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Isn't this just proof that none of this is is about inclusiveness and completely about power?

And the free stuff. Don't forget the free stuff.

Vittorio Jano IV said...

And the bill was signed by the Governor. But this change does not change the 50 percent blood quantum required to apply for an original homeland lease. And the U.S. Congress must still “consent.”

From the website of the Dept. of Hawaiian Home Lands:

"You must be a native Hawaiian, defined as “any descendant of not less than one-half part of the blood of the races inhabiting the Hawaiian Islands previous to 1778.” This means, you must have a blood quantum of at least 50 percent Hawaiian. This requirement remains unchanged since the HHCA’s passage in 1921."

n.n said...

The color diversity racket facing inconvenient truths is forced to amplify the narrative and accelerate its execution.

BLM = Black Lives Matter

Dude, we are Pro-Choice. Selective lives matter.

White lives? Brown lives? Some black lives.

Baby Lives Matter? No.

some way is found to make it pay for the colonizers

The Chinese have discovered the way through immigration reform, natural resource harvesting, and local investment in African nations. This is effectively colonization through a centrally directed but widely distributed operation.

William said...

Ok, American blacks had many bad experiences in this country, but Holocaust seems way too over the top. In Ireland, one out of seven people starved to death during the Famine years, and malnutrition was endemic for centuries in that benighted land. Nonetheless, I wouldn't describe those hard times as a Holocaust. You can find many, many people on this planet who were treated far worse than American blacks. Such grandiosity doesn't excite sympathy........Contra colonialism, not every African country had a happy experience with colonialism. The Belgians and Germans especially were merciless and cruel in the lands they occupied. American blacks were never subjected to such harshness. Ditto with Rwanda, but apparently mistreatment of blacks by other blacks is not crime which engenders much outrage.

n.n said...

BLM or Baby Lives Matter...

Strike that. [Choice] Black Lives Matter, is about capital, control, and comeuppance.

RichardJohnson said...

David
The related scandalous fact is the vast underperformance by African Americans on SAT and other standardized admission related tests. ETS did a study breaking down performance by race about a decade ago, and does not dare repeat it.

The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (2006):The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test
Under the SAT scoring system, most non-minority students hoping to qualify for admission to any of the nation's 25 highest-ranked universities and 25 highest-ranked liberal arts colleges need to score at least 700 on each portion of the SAT.

For admission to the very highest ranked, brand-name schools such as Princeton or MIT, applicants need scores of 750 to be considered for admission. Yet, as we shall see, only a minute percentage of black test takers score at these levels.

Let's be more specific about the SAT racial gap among high-scoring applicants. In 2005, 153,132 African Americans took the SAT test. They made up 10.4 percent of all SAT test takers. But only 1,132 African-American college-bound students scored 700 or above on the math SAT and only 1,205 scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT. Nationally, more than 100,000 students of all races scored 700 or above on the math SAT and 78,025 students scored 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.
If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation's most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Nationwide, 33,841 students scored at least 750 on the math test and 30,479 scored at least 750 on the verbal SAT. Therefore, black students made up 0.7 percent of the test takers who scored 750 or above on the math test and 1.2 percent of all test takers who scored 750 or above on the verbal section.


Compare those figures with the number of high SAT scorers from the high schools you graduated from. The results are not heartening. The lesson is that the elite colleges do not have many high-scoring blacks to recruit.

Bad Lieutenant said...

From "Cornell Black Students group issues 6-page list of demands" (Legal Insurrection).


Anyone who makes a "demand" of a school should be immediately expelled with no refund of tuition.

n.n said...

Racial balancing, judging people by the "color of their skin", or denial of individual dignity is so neo-... progressive Democrat.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opq8YCkFV9s

Pinandpuller said...

I shared this with my Haitian Lesbian friend and she laughed her black ass off.

ALP said...

Are there not some islands out there in the Caribbean that were thoroughly fucked over by Spanish imperialism? Wouldn't current students be descendants of these individuals and thus have a similar claim - albeit against a country they don't inhabit at the moment?

Michael K said...

"The lesson is that the elite colleges do not have many high-scoring blacks to recruit."

Yes and they really, really do not want to hear this.

The sad part is that some kids with lower SATs might do well at historically black colleges but are recruited to fill quotas

Francisco D said...

My first wife was/is Black with recent family roots in the Caribbean. She and her brother succeeded both in academia and the business world. She had a few close American Black girlfriends with similar values, but she mostly shunned the American Blacks. She found their value system "self-defeating" and "annoying."

I was a liberal then in the middle seventies. My brother-in-law was a black conservative of great academic achievement. We used to argue about affirmative action until he explained the downside. He went to a Top Five Law school following an Ivy League undergrad career. His various tests scores were in the 99th percentile. However, no one believed that he was truly qualified because of affirmative action. He was socializing with some White LS students who were hinting around about LSAT scores. They eventually asked his score and were stunned speechless when his turned out to be the highest in the group.

He had his choice of law firms, but could not tolerate the BS after a few years. He became a tax specialist and a multimillionaire by running his own business and not playing the game. Neither he nor his sister ever played the affirmative action card. They felt it was undignified and led to mediocrity rather than true success.

They stayed off the Democrat plantation!

HoodlumDoodlum said...

This demand must strike fear into institutions that are engaging in racial balancing on a superficial, how-does-it-look? level

Why would it? They've gotten away with it for this long--why should anyone care now? Being a Lefty means never having to justify decisions you paint as pro-Left, and that's doubly true for a Leftist member of the Academy.

This stuff isn't new. How many minority students at the big Ivies are legacies? How many of the students schools proudly claim as minority admits are Asian American, and how many are foreign students?

Would applicant Barry Sotero/Barack Obama have counted as someone "directly affected by the African Holocaust in America?" A smart foreign "minority" would argue that the international slave trade in which America participated undoubtedly affected all the nations of the world, and certainly the peoples of Africa including the ones not taken to America as slaves. Ain't I a POC??

It's a problem with asserting that everything's founded on slavery, and genocide, and "illegal" war, and colonialism, and conquest, etc--if your view is that we're all products of those terrible things then it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that only some of us deserve to have the effects of those past "wrongs" righted. I gave Ta Nehisi Coates credit for dwelling on "recent" harms suffered by blacks due to official racism--things like redlining, Jim Crow restrictions on economic activity, etc--and not just slavery in his big essay on reparations. Once you go back hundreds of years the calculations necessary to convince me that I owe you something out of my pocket today becomes pretty much impossible.

Anyway this sounds like it could lead to a cleaner, more honest form of demand. "We want special treatment" or "we want X# of admissions set aside for people we choose because we have the political capital and political/social will to get our way" is in many ways better than "these members of this group DESERVE this benefit because of historic wrongs suffered by X group." Just be honest about it, you know?

JaimeRoberto said...

If there truly had been an African Holocaust in America, these guys wouldn't be around to complain. And please tell me how the blacks in in Caribbean had an easier time during slavery.

Michael K said...

" However, no one believed that he was truly qualified because of affirmative action."

This is EXACTLY the problem!

You see it in the leftists attitude toward Clarence Thomas.

PB said...

So many quotas, so little time.

mockturtle said...

David suggests: ... together with the social pathologies that make that inhibit learning for black students in many communities.

Social pathologies? Gee, d'ya think?

Bruce Hayden said...

"When you run a spoils system, you need to grease all the right skids."

This is the fundamental problem -,Dems always want to run a spoils system. That is how they divvy up the spoils of winning elections. And one of the big spoils that they are after are prestigious college degrees, for the doors that they open. The problem is that divvying up college admissions as a part of their spoils system is illegal. It violates the 14th Amdt Equal Protection guarantee, as well as the Civil Rights laws. The only legal justification for discriminating on the basis of race for college admissions is diversity (and that was supposed to end after 25 years). But a diversity justification doesn't allow for discriminating both on the basis of race AND income or national origin at the same time. Black is Black. And poor is poor, foreign born is foreign born, etc. Can't discriminate in favor of poor Back native born without doing the same for Whites, and that won't happen since most of the White slots go to the rich, smart, and/or politically connected, in the case of the Ivy League. For a lot of those schools, it isn't really about the money, directly, but likely much more about it long term, with big donor alumni expecting to get their kids admitted to their alma maters. Every poor white who gets a diversity slot is one fewer white slot available for legacies or those with almost 1600 SATs. I should add that admitting too many Blacks with an American slavery heritage would reduce the value of the degrees being sought as credentials. There just aren't enough in that category that can excel in these colleges and universities, which means a lot of remedial work, as well as lowering the schools' SAT average. Blacks without that limitation do much better (and are probably less likely to need financial assistance).

Darrell said...

Google ads on Althouse saying Rush Limbaugh is gone, friends and relatives never expected it to end this way, and then proclaiming a National wave. Tell Google to get fucked.

mockturtle said...

They stayed off the Democrat plantation! Good for them, Francisco D! My black second husband never played the race card, either. At that time I was a left-wing radical and was a bit annoyed at his disdain for the Black Power movement but in retrospect I can see how right he was. He worked hard all of his life and didn't think anyone owed him anything just because of his race.

Gahrie said...

And please tell me how the blacks in in Caribbean had an easier time during slavery.

The ignorance of history by young people today worries me. The ignorance of Black history by Black people astounds me.

rcocean said...

"Are there not some islands out there in the Caribbean that were thoroughly fucked over by Spanish imperialism?"

Spain controlled Cuba for a long time and the Dominican republic. The rest of the Caribbean except for maybe a few small islands were controlled by France, Britain, Netherlands, and even Denmark. We've had Puerto Rico since 1898.

You could blame Haiti on France, except they were pretty much gone by 1810.

n.n said...

Color diversity is... well, insufficiently diverse. What we need is tribal diversity.

Judge people by the "color of their skin", rather than the content of their character (e.g. principles).

That said, Plan for another baby on the barbie, it's over or just begun.

n.n said...

re: baby on the barbie

Baby Lives Matter

Bay Area Guy said...

"The lesson is that the elite colleges do not have many high-scoring blacks to recruit."

Yes and they really, really do not want to hear this.
______________________________________________________

Which is why I feel compelled to remind folks that the public high school drop-out rate in Oakland is about 50%.

Obviously, high school drop-outs ain't taking any college entrance exams.

Of the 50% who graduate high school, how many are going to college? (Dunno, but much less than half, and mostly junior college).

Of the group who graduate high school, and go to college, how many are viable candidates for Ivy League schools? Dunno, but it can't be more than a handful.

This is why diversity quotas and affirmative action at the higher institutions are so bogus.

The goal should be to shore up high school graduation rates, and increase junior college attendance of minorities, not Yale attendance. Lesser, but productive pathways. Also, don't forget some form of technical training for the non-college bound.

Heck, you're a black kid in Oakland, with a 3.2 GPA, 1000 on SAT, and you graduate from McClymonds High? You're probably the Valedictorian, with acceptance letters from Yale, Stanford, Harvard and Cornell.

But, you might simply be better off going to Fresno State, where the competition fits your level.

The Democrats really, really, really suck on this issue.

AllenS said...

It's the same with Indians (Native Americans). Universities will hire a Ward Churchill or Elizabeth Warren before they'd hire a real Injun. "I have high cheekbones, and we have the stories passed down from generations." Sure.

Kevin said...

Like Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas, they are not true black people.

1. Advocate for equality
2. Limit the drive to the "truly disadvantaged"
3. Make yourself one of the few who qualify
4. Stop when you run the world

Michael said...

There was no "African Holocaust in America" . On the contrary it was the practice of slave owners to encourage reproduction. It is not OK to toss in all the bad things you can think of when trying to make your point about American born blacks.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

This has been known for ages. African students actually from Africa or the Caribbean just do better work than American blacks do. And, yes, it does put American universities in a bit of a pickle when they have to import students so as to keep both their "diversity" numbers and their SAT scores up simultaneously.

Gahrie said...

Are there not some islands out there in the Caribbean that were thoroughly fucked over by Spanish imperialism? Wouldn't current students be descendants of these individuals and thus have a similar claim - albeit against a country they don't inhabit at the moment?

Yes, such as the Island of Hispaniola.

There are two countries on this island today. One is Haiti, which is a hellhole and the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere and the other is the Dominican Republic which is the most prosperous nation in the Caribbean.

Michael K said...

"One is Haiti, which is a hellhole and the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere and the other is the Dominican Republic which is the most prosperous nation in the Caribbean. "

Black politicians have their second homes where ? Not Haiti.

Nonapod said...

Black politicians have their second homes where ? Not Haiti

Whatever happened to ol' Charlie Rangel?

Roughcoat said...
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Roughcoat said...

Black politicians have their second homes where ? Not Haiti.

Ha ha, Michael K, remember Adam Clayton Powell? He spent a lot of time on Bimini.

Xmas said...

Cornell's admission statistics, if you filter by Bachelor's Program Enrollment, it's 39.5% White, 21.5% "Underrepresented Minority", 20.8% Minority, 10.2% International and 8% "Unknown".

If I was going to take a guess, I'd say the "Underrepresented Minority" is Black, Hispanic, and Native American. While "Minority" is Asian.

The percentage of White students went from 63% in 2002 to 39.5% in 2016 and most of the drop went to increasing the Underrepresented Minority, with "Unknown" students the next largest increase.

veni vidi vici said...

Ann Coulter at Poli Con or whatever its called, on a panel this year, took note of this fact.

I think it's beyond ridiculous that the children of Ghanaian doctors and lawyers are taking the Affirmative Action "slots" that were created in the first place in a manner of correcting for the wrong of slavery.

It's as facially asinine as giving the children of wealthy Black CEO's and bankers those slots, while inner city families never get the promised leg-up.

Our fellow citizens whose ancestors were brought here as slaves deserve a fairer shake than they've gotten but because of the politics (D's shovel money that all goes to union groups instead of into the classrooms, and the R's can't make headway because they're suspect of whitesplaining), it's hard to see where this will ever change.

Roughcoat said...

Two questions:

What is the average SAT test score?

Were the SATs harder when I took them (in 1967) than they are now?

My test scores were mediocre. Not surprisingly I attended a mediocre college, got a mediocre education, and made mediocre life choices through my 20s. Finally, around age 30, I smartened up at least to enough to figure out how to make the best of what I had and even improve a bit upon it. Mainly I did this by marrying a smart girl. What she saw and still sees in me I don't know. I guess I'd rather be lucky than smart, and in that respect I am surely lucky.

Achilles said...

The issue here is that foreign blacks in 3rd world countries get better educations than black kids in the US on the democrat public school plantations.

Fabi said...

Mindless phraseology such as "African Holocaust in America" is ultimately harmful to their cause. Fuck them and their complimentary boat ride to civilization.

AllenS said...

When the Obama children go to college (and you know they will), will they be counted as disadvantaged?

furious_a said...

This demand must strike fear into institutions that are engaging in racial balancing on a superficial, how-does-it-look? level

Racial vocational balancing, apparently. Universities are outsourcing their quota attainment.

Bruce Hayden said...

"I think it's beyond ridiculous that the children of Ghanaian doctors and lawyers are taking the Affirmative Action "slots" that were created in the first place in a manner of correcting for the wrong of slavery."

Except that correcting the wrongs of slavery through affirmative action is illegal. Violation of the 14th Amdt and the Civil Rights Acts. Closest that they can do is "diversity" of skin color, and that is why we are having this discussion today.

mandrewa said...

I ran across this vlog, www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIFSD_WR6bU , titled "Fascinating and horrifying" and it's about IQ, and by a young woman who grew up in Jamaica.

I'm amazed she was brave enough and honest enough to address this. It's still kind of hard to watch. A big part of what made that possible is that she is an individual first and black second.

Part of what makes her so opposed to identity politics is that she grew in a non-racial culture. Jamaica is 92% black plus 6.1% mixed, so basically everybody's black.

We don't have that option here in the United States. I think the worst thing that white people actually do to black people is to look at them and see them as black. People 'other them' with their eyes.

I believe the real issue is shame. It isn't that bad things were done to slaves in the past. It's the bad things that black people did in the past and do now and the relative lack of achievement. This, I think, is what hurts, if you are black.

I don't know what you do about that. We already lie about it. We are pretty darn dishonest about black, not to mention world, history. Does that really make things better?

Clearly the Cornell students think the answer is bigger and bigger lies. And really they want genocide. They'd like to kill all the white people because they feel inferior. Is that human nature?

Roughcoat said...

When the Obama children go to college (and you know they will), will they be counted as disadvantaged?

Yes, because institutional racism. The gift that keeps on giving.

Martin said...

Heck, if you as an institution get the same social justice points for enrolling someone with a supportive family who wants to work hard, get ahead, and bring honor to himself and his school, as you do for someone from a "broken" or "never was" home who has absorbed the "don't act white" culture and promises to be a huge headache and draw on resources, the choice is pretty easy, eh?

For 50 years we've been lying to ourselves that employers can solve problems colleges didn't, colleges can solve those high schools didn't, high schools can address problems not addressed in elementary school, elementary schools can fix what kindergarten couldn't, kindergarten can address what Pre-K didn't, and Head Start/Pre-K could fix what poverty, ignorance, and bad culture did to a toddler. We have spent trillions of dollars to accomplish next to nothing, maybe even destroy net value.

And every decade or so, a Daniel Patrick Moynihan or a Charles Murray or a Bill Bennett or an Amy Wax, not to mention a Thomas Sowell or a Glenn Loury or an Armstrong Williams, tries to tell the truth and kindle the discussion we need to have before yet another generation is lost, and gets literally savaged for their honesty and concern.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

The funny thing, Xmas, is that the "underrepresented minorities" aren't actually underrepresented; the universities take care of that bit. What they mean is "minorities that would be underrepresented if we admitted them based on grades and test scores like everyone else." Asian-Americans therefore do not count, apart from possibly some sub-groups, like Filipinos and Hmong.

Balfegor said...

I'm sort of sympathetic to their complaint, actually.

In the wonderful world of make-believe that is our legal system, the justification for affirmative action is "diversity", and foreign Blacks (or foreigners period) add more meaningful diversity of culture and experience and thought than any native, Black or White. But even if they don't say it, I think most University staff understand that "diversity" is just one of those lawyerly fictions invented to justify a policy actually intended as a remedy for historical discrimination. Against Blacks, specifically. (No one is pushing for affirmative action in favour of Asians in California, despite a little-remarked but well-documented history of laws mandating segregated education for Asians.)

If affirmative action is a wink-nod remedy for past discrimination under US laws, giving it to people whose ancestors weren't discriminated against in the US doesn't serve the purposes of the policy at all. Even if their ancestors suffered terribly under brutal regimes (as in the Caribbean sugar plantations), it wasn't the US at fault -- it was mostly the French or the Spanish.

And behind either the "diversity" or "remedy" rationales, I think the cold hard truth is that affirmative action is not a policy adopted for high moral reasons. It is a policy calculated to buy social peace, against the threat of Black violence, like the 1960s riots that left burnt ruins in the centre of cities like DC. It doesn't work if you give the Danegeld to, you know, a bunch of Swedes who just kind of look like Danes.

Mary E. Glynn said...

One day soon,
we are going to be introducing the concept of "black privilege" into our ongoing, very important national "discussion" of racial issues. Until we can have an honest conversation on race and culture, it's just black folk lecturing "whites" with all the white owners, legacies, and liberal media people nodding their head, knowingly (they think).

I hope we will have that aspect of the "conversation" before it is too late...

HT said...

"the Dominican Republic which is the most prosperous nation in the Caribbean. "

Really?

Known Unknown said...

"How can you just leave me standing?
Alone in a world that's so cold? (So cold)
Maybe I'm just too demanding
Maybe I'm just like my father too bold
Maybe you're just like my mother
She's never satisfied (She's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry"

Would Prince be considered authentically black in 2017?
• Light-skinned
• From Minnesota
• Dated white women
• Effeminate in appearance
• Wore heels

Khesanh 0802 said...

It really is astounding that here are a bunch of supposedly high performance kids and they still want someone to hold their hand and give them extra breaks. Snowflakes, indeed.

buwaya said...

Filipinos most definitely don't count re affirmative action.
They are "Asian" like all the rest, or at least I haven't heard of any schools that offer them preferences.
Currently Fil-Am SAT scores and public school test scores in CA are at "white" levels.

Khesanh 0802 said...

@Allen s Malia just entered Harvard as one of the 1%, but I am sure she counts in the Africa-American stats.

Jupiter said...

"there is a lack of investment in Black students whose families were affected directly by the African Holocaust in America."

Investing in Blacks is how we got into this mess in the first place.

tcrosse said...

How did that list of demands work out at Mizzou ?

Gahrie said...

"the Dominican Republic which is the most prosperous nation in the Caribbean. "

Really?


Yes, really.

The Dominican Republic is the largest economy(according to the U.S. State Department and the World Bank) in the Caribbean and Central American region. It is an upper middle-income developing country, with a 2015 GDP per capita of $14,770, in PPP terms. Over the last two decades, the Dominican Republic have been standing out as one of the fastest-growing economies in the Americas – with an average real GDP growth rate of 5.4% between 1992 and 2014. GDP growth in 2014 and 2015 reached 7.3 and 7.0%, respectively, the highest in the Western Hemisphere. In the first half of 2016 the Dominican economy grew 7.4%. As of 2015, the average wage in nominal terms is 392 USD per month ($17,829 DOP).

Known Unknown said...

"the Dominican Republic which is the most prosperous nation in the Caribbean. "

Fascinating that Haiti is on the same island.

mockturtle said...

mandrewa asks: I believe the real issue is shame. It isn't that bad things were done to slaves in the past. It's the bad things that black people did in the past and do now and the relative lack of achievement. This, I think, is what hurts, if you are black.

I don't know what you do about that. We already lie about it. We are pretty darn dishonest about black, not to mention world, history. Does that really make things better?


And there is the correlation vs. cause & effect confusion that so infects our academic institutions today. Maybe--just maybe!--the same behaviors that cause kids to drop out of school are the same behaviors that lead to lives of crime. There are plenty of examples of kids beating the odds to succeed if they want to. The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars [or racial barriers] but in ourselves that we are underlings. A solid home life and early education is nice but it doesn't guarantee success. Remember The Onion's hilarious--but true--debate, Are Tests Biased Against Students Who Don't Give a Shit?

Michael K said...

"Ha ha, Michael K, remember Adam Clayton Powell? He spent a lot of time on Bimini."

I remember him well. He set the standard for black politicians by "sticking it to the white man."

Charley has his district.

Actually, I don't have a problem with the immigrant black kids getting preferences because they will make use of them unlike the people kneeling for the Anthem.

One of my black medical students was from Eritrea and her parents had smuggled her out to South Africa, then to Guadaloupe where she grew up, then to Los Angeles where she lived with a grandmother. She was so poor that she could not afford a laptop, which has replaced the microscope. I tried to promote one for her and did give her my physical diagnosis instruments.

Unlike my LA black student that year, she did fine and graduated.

Balfegor said...

Re: Known Unknown:

Fascinating that Haiti is on the same island.

Haiti has had a pretty awful history. It had -- I think -- the only successful slave revolt in the Caribbean, but the only halfway decent fellow in the whole conflict, Toussaint Louverture, who led the rebel slave armies to a couple victories, made the mistake of trusting the French and promptly got himself locked up in a French prison where he died. The other slave generals, whose names I forget, were complete psychopaths. One marched under the banner of a dead White infant (as in, literally, a White infant impaled on a stick). And the French armies sent to suppress the slave revolt were just as bad (this was the time of the Revolution after all, when the French turned into utter beasts). After a cycle of atrocity after atrocity after atrocity, the French (and the Spanish and the British, who all intervened at some point for various reasons) just gave up, but they forced newly independent Haiti to pay a massive indemnity. Haiti didn't finish paying that debt until 1947.

That would be a drag on any poor country.

ALP said...

From the list of demands, they want all students/faculty to have training "...that deals with issues of identity (such as race, class, religion, ability status, sexual/romantic orientation, gender, citizenship status, etc.)."

Let's talk about religion. I don't believe in a god, not religious at all. If I worked at Cornell, how on earth could they force me to engage in classes that involve religious teaching? Doesn't "freedom from religion" count anymore? And would said training involve the issues of being a Southern Baptist? Probably not. I am willing to keep my mouth shut in the presence of those choosing to believe what I view as fairy tales - but I'd draw the line at being forced to hear religious folks yammer on about their beliefs.

Roughcoat said...

I remember him well. He set the standard for black politicians by "sticking it to the white man."

. . . all the while working behind the scenes hand-in-glove with Hizzoner Richard J. Daley to deliver the black vote and keep the Machine running smoothly.

He may have stuck it to the man, but he didn't stick it to "Da Man," if you get my drift.

Roughcoat said...

Balfegor:

Haiti also has a history of bad government by their own political figures. The Duvaliers are modern cases in point. But there were others before them. The best thing that ever happened to Haiti was America's 19-year occupation of that country.

The occupation (1915-1934) saw Marine Corps engaged in a sometimes very hot little banana war. Lots of small-unit combat actions. Many career NCOs and junior officers who served in Haiti made their bones in that on-again off-again conflict and would put their experience to good use against the Japanese. In particular Marine Corps aviation invented and perfected dive-bombing techniques which the Germans would copy and the U.S. Navy would adopt, using them with great effectiveness against Japanese naval forces in the Pacific War.

HT said...

Ok, largest economy is not exactly the same as most prosperous nation.

tcrosse said...

They used to talk about the N-triple-A-C-P, the National Association for the Advancement of Adam Clayton Powell.

Bad Lieutenant said...

HT,

Ok, largest economy is not exactly the same as most prosperous nation.

Here, have a nit. Take two, they're small.


Buwaya,

Currently Fil-Am SAT scores and public school test scores in CA are at "white" levels.

I'm sure they are. Back in the 90s I had a summer job tutoring AFDC clients for paraprofessional intake programs (e.g., pre-nursing). This was not calculus and biology. I'm sorry to say I taught arithmetic. Addition and subtraction, positive and negative numbers. This should alert you to their backgrounds and readiness to succeed.

One such was a scrawny little chick named, get this, America Pupo. A Fil (or a Flip, or whatever is a nice nickname for Filipinos). Anyway, I tutored her. Her determination was so intense that I was awed. No cynicism was possible to me; I could not but take her seriously.

I'm sure she would have fucked, married and/or killed me if need be, not so that I would help her cheat or pass her through corruptly, but so that I would HELP HER LEARN AND SUCCEED!!! We did our best; I dont know the outcomes of the Project REACH program, or hers. But that was a woman not to underestimate or hold lightly.


Roughcoat,


. . . all the while working behind the scenes hand-in-glove with Hizzoner Richard J. Daley to deliver the black vote and keep the Machine running smoothly.


I must observe that Adam Clayton Powell was a New York politician, and Daly was in Chicago, so this confuses me a bit.

n.n said...

Establishment of institutional and personal racism, including color diversity, is a propagation of progressive prejudice. Discriminating between two individuals based on the color of their skin is racism, not the euphemistic "identity politics". It is a Pro-Choice solution that profits from treating symptoms and avoidance of addressing causes, with the same collateral and long-term damage of other Pro-Choice solutions.

It's ironic that some of the poorest and most malnourished people in the world live in some of the most productive natural environments. Their sacrifice is for the sake of political and social progress in order to establish, to prove the appeal of, a progressive Church and culture.

Rehabilitation. Reconciliation. Revitalization.

As for religious/moral philosophy, it is universal and organized, with only the philosopher that varies with faith, ideology, preference, opportunity, etc.

We really need to stop conflation of logical domains and concepts. Euphemisms matter and should be discouraged with extreme prejudice.

Paul said...

These little buttwipes at the universities never seen a 'Holocaust' and the only fascism they have seen is their own.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

"The Black student population at Cornell disproportionately represents international or first-generation African or Caribbean students."

Do they by any chance carry less white southern slaveowner rapist genes?

If so, then they're still privileging black over white. African students are blacker. Less white slaveowner rapist in them.

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Bay Area Guy said...

I'm sorry. If you earned or finagled or hornswoggled your way into Cornell University, a prestigious Ivy League school, you don't get to claim victim status. You, most assuredly, are not a victim.

You get a big bowl of mockery, if you act stupid or say stupid things.

And, this goes for the people of color at Cornell, too.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

From the list of demands, they want all students/faculty to have training "...that deals with issues of identity (such as race, class, religion, ability status, sexual/romantic orientation, gender, citizenship status, etc.)."

For gods sake.

Enough with this poisonous navel-gazing toxic identity politics bullshit.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Whenever I hear the name Adam Clayton Powell I get confused and think of one of those non-one-word named guys in U2.

n.n said...

Bad Lieutenant:

Her determination was so intense that I was awed.

That's one x-factor that biases achievement to people of a certain class/character. It used to be native Americans. Perhaps it still is, but the truth is obfuscated or suppressed for the sake of "color" (e.g. national, ethnic, cultural, religious/moral) diversity.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

When we promote black Americans over immigrant Africans we're just privileging the white slaveowner's bastard children.

Fernandinande said...

Virgil Hilts said...
I don't know if I first saw this posted on Althouse, but this Heterodox Academy article from last year is must-reading.
https://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/05/12/the-amazing-1969-prophecy/


Pretty amazing prescience, and perhaps a unique example of a judge writing something that wasn't stupid or obvious - unique as in "the only".

"The black students, unable to compete on even terms in the study of law, inevitably will seek other means to achieve recognition and self-expression. This is likely to take two forms.

First, agitation to change the environment from one in which they are unable to compete to one in which they can. Demands will be made for elimination of competition, reduction in standards of performance, adoption of courses of study which do not require intensive legal analysis, and recognition for academic credit of sociological activities which have only an indirect relationship to legal training.

Second, it seems probable that this group will seek personal satisfaction and public recognition by aggressive conduct, which, although ostensibly directed at external injustices and problems, will in fact be primarily motivated by the psychological needs of the members of the group to overcome feelings of inferiority caused by lack of success in their studies."

Bay Area Guy said...

@Toothless,

When we promote black Americans over immigrant Africans we're just privileging the white slaveowner's bastard children.

Wait a minute. I think you trying to tell us something. There's some hidden message, I am trying to decipher. Let me re-read this one more time. Wait, I think I got it!

Slavery was evil!

Well, you are totally correct. No doubt about it. No moral defense. A horrible, unjust institution. Glad we went to war over it in 1864.

But lemme ask you this:

How does emphasizing the fact that a 17-year old black high school descended from slaves help him study for his SAT in 2017?

p.s. Yes, slavery was evil. I will say it again, if you like.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

How does emphasizing the fact that a 17-year old black high school descended from slaves help him study for his SAT in 2017?

It doesn't. Nothing will. And I'm not advocating in favor of affirmative action. The only thing that will do anything for these kids, if anything, is a total cultural change. It might as well start with whites/the majority abandoning affirmative action. But the ultimate answer can only be black communities deciding that reading and conventional achievement is superior to whatever else they're wasting their time advocating for. Becoming rap stars, athletes or just your average weirdo who jaywalks with pants pulled down to his thighs.

Michael K said...

I must observe that Adam Clayton Powell was a New York politician, and Daly was in Chicago, so this confuses me a bit.

Yes, I think Daley had his own black allies in Chicago.

It may be that John Stroger, of late unlamented memory was one.

When he was dying n the hospital, a black reform candidate was running against him and asked Obama to endorse him.

Obama endorse and supported Stroger's son who was quickly substituted for his corrupt father.

Bay Area Guy said...

@Tooth,

The only thing that will do anything for these kids, if anything, is a total cultural change. It might as well start with whites/the majority abandoning affirmative action. But the ultimate answer can only be black communities deciding that reading and conventional achievement is superior to whatever else they're wasting their time advocating for. Becoming rap stars, athletes or just your average weirdo who jaywalks with pants pulled down to his thighs.

Jesus, you sound like a Republican here - I like it. But instead of "total cultural" change, how about a few baby steps in the right direction? A few more charter schools, a few more school voucher plans, much less affirmative action at the college level, etc, etc, etc.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Tooth, are you in France now? Did you get my tip about the steakhouse? The high-end one. Atelier Vivanda. That's a gilt-edged tip.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

I think charter schools and vouchers are separate issues. They might include a racial element or two in their Venn diagram but they're larger and in that sense seem to have equivocal results on outcomes. But in principle and ideologically I think the idea of a school being centered around a specific mission is fine. Becoming corporate toys however I'm less fond of. And then there's the whole issue of how much good they do in the aggregate practically speaking.

But I'm against affirmative action. The Hillarying of the 2016 election has convinced me of it. The left doesn't need to be hostile about it, but it does need to admit that it's impinging on broader, color/gender-blind socioeconomic realities that if they aren't attended to will split the country no less than they split the Democrat party. The corporatist wing running it are basically a bunch of jackoff PC-friendly Republicans-lite. I think they're as useless as the right thinks their own establishment is. And dangerous. You can't end hate or bigotry or fascism, you can only buy it off. The only reason it's a problem is because of the wealth divide and the inattention to the working class. When your socioeconomics suck, people will resort to anything, and identity issues will get nasty. People need to be able to eat first before they need to be told to love one another's silly tribal differences.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Not yet, BL - but I definitely appreciate the tip and will take you up on it!

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

But in principle and ideologically I think the idea of a school being centered around a specific mission is fine.

Particularly a community-specific (chartered) mission.

Anonymous said...

This is nothing. If you go to Bard or Harvard, the majority of Black students with full scholarships are from Africa, Caribbean, etc. But, the latest fad is that refugees, esp DACA DREAMERS get full scholarships at Ivy leagues.

There needs to be a serious media inquiry on:

- Why Liberals or Pro Hillary or Anti Trumps support more money for African Blacks in US and full scholarships to refugees but nothing to poor blacks?

- Majority of homeless or poor asking for handouts today are poor blacks/whites who are getting laid off or veterans, etc.

Why are we not spending money on them? Why are we not helping them? Do we hate our on people?

We have to be America First!

Bay Area Guy said...


Tooth sez: "The corporatist wing running it are basically a bunch of jackoff PC-friendly Republicans-lite. I think they're as useless as the right thinks their own establishment is."

Tooth opposes affirmative action. Tooth recognizes that economic issues should trump identity politics.

Jesus, Tooth is making far too much sense today. I am going to declare victory and go home.

Freeman Hunt said...

Because it's harder to be an American than it is to be an African or a Caribbean person? Might be a tough sell.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Jesus, Tooth is making far too much sense today. I am going to declare victory and go home.


Indeed, Ritmo is mellow AF today, and just can't stop making sense! Get some last night, laddie? It suits you ;)

Mark said...

Who's nativist and anti-immigrant now?

Tom_Ohio said...

I have to do it from Reddit/The_Donald comes this gem, that is really from Imgur https://imgur.com/t5R7GGz

Mark said...

That POS paragon of hate tradguy gets it wrong again (12:34).

Sixty years before Columbus discovered the New World, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of peoples in his bull Sicut Dudum (1435). Pope Paul III in the bull Sublimis Deus (1537) described enslavers as allies of the devil and declared attempts to justify such slavery null and void. Accompanying the bull was another document, Pastorale Officium, which attached a latae sententiae excommunication for those who attempted to enslave Indians or steal their goods.

When Europeans began enslaving Africans as a cheap source of labor, the Holy Office rejected enslaving innocent blacks (1686), as was trading such slaves. Slaveholders, the Holy Office declared, were obliged to emancipate and even compensate blacks unjustly enslaved.

MaxedOutMama said...

But isn't this nationalistic and Trump-like? Americans First? Isn't that the sort of thing we are supposed to be persistently enlisted to resist?

I'm so confused!

Roughcoat said...

I must observe that Adam Clayton Powell was a New York politician, and Daly was in Chicago, so this confuses me a bit.

Oops. I confused Powell with one of Daley's Chicago minions. Apologies. What can I say, it's been a tough week.

HT said...

People from Nigeria, for example, by and large grew up being the dominant race (maybe not the dominant ethnicity), and did not contend with any potential effects of racism. That in and of itself confers untold amounts of confidence and cultural cohesion.

There’s a large difference between the Caribbean country with the highest GDP and the DR, which is way down the list.

hombre said...

Freeman Hunt said...
"Because it's harder to be an American than it is to be an African or a Caribbean person? Might be a tough sell."

Hear, hear.

But how would Ivy League university SJWs know about the staggering poverty and genocide in Africa or that Caribbean blacks also descended from slaves? Obviously, our altruism ought to be focused instead on the local culture dominated by homicidal young men, athletic savants and rappers.

Balfegor said...

Re: Mark:

Was it the Holy Office making those pronouncements? I thought the Holy Office (better known as the Inquisition) was concerned with rooting out heresy. I know it handles doctrine today, but I didn't think that was a core part of its mission back in the 17th century. Not an historian of the Curia, though, so you may be right.

mockturtle said...

Doesn't "freedom from religion" count anymore?

ALP, nowhere in our constitution is freedom from religion guaranteed. Only free exercise of religious beliefs. Our founders never presumed--nor desired--to attempt to erase religion from our nation. They just proscribed a state religion as in Britain. It could even be argued that they assumed citizens would be Christians and Jews.

hombre said...

Martin wrote:

"I swear, it used to be about once or twice a year I thought we had reached Peak Stupid, and something would set a new standard."

This is 2017. Insane eclipses stupid.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
But in principle and ideologically I think the idea of a school being centered around a specific mission is fine.

Particularly a community-specific (chartered) mission.


The only way this will happen is by giving the parents of Black kids, or any kids, a voucher and letting them choose the school they want to educate their child.

The parents are the biggest advocates for their kids. My father taught in Marino Valley for years. Not exactly Compton but they had race riots regularly.(Black vs. Latino) The poor parents were not well educated and they didn't know what they needed to do to help, but they wanted to help. The teachers are hobbled in what they can do as well.

You have to give more power to the parents.

rcocean said...

"When Europeans began enslaving Africans as a cheap source of labor, the Holy Office rejected enslaving innocent blacks (1686), as was trading such slaves."

You know who were the big wheels in the slave trade? Jews. The Confederacy had a Jewish Secretary of State, and a Jewish Senator from Florida. I'm not sure when Jews decided Slavery was bad, you tell me, if you can.

Asians, Africans, and Muslims kept up their slave trades until well into the 19th century.

Mike Smyth said...

To get into college, black students would need to act "white": Study and get good grades.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"They (Jamaicans) seem to suffered plenty."


9/28/17, 11:41 AM

Yeah, but black suffering doesn't matter to the Left unless you can blame white Americans for it.

Vittorio Jano IV said...

"[The 7.0 earthquake in Haiti in 2010 occurred because something] happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. ... [The Haitians] were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever ... And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' TRUE STORY. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.'"
--Pat Robertson

"Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody"
--Bob Dylan

Michael K said...

"Asians, Africans, and Muslims kept up their slave trades until well into the 19th century."

No, Africans and Muslims have slaves today. There is a brisk slave trade in Sudan.

Arab families with large farms and plantations in the Arab areas immediately to the north of Southern Sudan may buy between 50 and 100 slaves. Families buy women to be used as "concubines" who perform farm and household tasks in addition to providing sexual services. If the women are young enough, they are genitally mutilated as soon as they reach puberty, so as to make them acceptable to their Arab masters.

Boys are circumcised. In a bid to "Arabise" them thoroughly, the boys are taught to recite the Qur'an by heart. They are, however, not taught to read or write Arabic.

CSI uses networks of "retrievers" -- Arab traders who live just to the north of the Dinka, in Darfur and Kordofan, and who operate in secret -- to buy back the slaves. The organisation pays 50 000 Sudanese pounds, or $50, for each redeemed slave. At current market prices, that also happens to be the price of two goats.


jaydub said...

"Enough with this poisonous navel-gazing toxic identity politics bullshit. "

I don't know who kidnapped TTR and took over his account, but we're not paying any ransom so you might as well let him go now.

lgv said...

Some day a university will just say no. If African Americans don't like it, they can just transfer to Evergreen, Oberlin, or Grambling.

vanderleun said...

Alas, like so many of my brothers and sisters of all ethnic extractions throughout t he land, I don't really give a good goddamn what afflicts or what is the major malfunction of African Americans any long.

Scott McGlasson said...

"Demands" are things that come from accrediting bodies, governing boards, legislatures (in the case of public institutions), etc.

And kidnappers. And terrorists. :)

Scott McGlasson said...

What does it say about the nature of racism that another group of blacks, who have the same legacy of slavery as their American counterparts and are physically indistinguishable from them, can come here and succeed as well as the Chinese and the Koreans do? Is overcoming racism as simple as doing what Noel does, which is to dismiss it, to hold himself above it, to brave it and move on??

I'll just pass along what Taneshi Coates and I argued about years ago in his blog comments. My point was basically yours. His point was that the (Africans, in that debate) non-American blacks that come here represent the cream of the crop from their respective populations. IE, they are the best, brightest, and most well-off, proven simply by their ability to travel halfway across the globe. His point was that it's apples and oranges trying to compare such people to everyone (the good, the bad, and the ugly) in the entire American black population.

I don't agree with that, but that's what he was convinced of.

Micha Elyi said...

Actually...
--traditionalguy

Why is it that comments that begin with "Actually" are so rarely actually truthful?

I expect you to link to the verbatim text of that "Pope's blessing" you claimed "actually" happened. Your use of the word "actually" cuts you off from being able to backtrack by claiming you were being merely figurative or using hyperbole.

haithabu said...

One reason for the disparity may be that the American black slave-descended population as a whole has never lost a sense of learned helplessness which may have been instilled by slavery and reinforced by discrimination but ironically, even in the post-Jim Crow era is still reinforced by those who claim to help them. (Isn't the core message of the Democratic Party to black Americans really "You can't make it without us"?)

What's missing for many is a sense of agency. On the other hand, most of the actual Africans I have known are strivers and climbers.

TBlakely said...

I think you can make a good case that the blacks in this country owe reparations to whites. While the whole slavery thing was despicable it did have the benefit of their offspring escaping the hell-hole of Africa and living in a land of much greater opportunity even as flawed as it is.

Then there was the Civil War were hundreds of thousands of whites gave their lives ending slavery and the appalling price in lives and treasure that whites have suffered at the hands of blacks in the past half century. I wonder what an appropriate monetary figure should be?

autothreads said...

You know who were the big wheels in the slave trade? Jews. The Confederacy had a Jewish Secretary of State, and a Jewish Senator from Florida. I'm not sure when Jews decided Slavery was bad, you tell me, if you can.

Southern Jews were actually less likely to own slaves than southern Christians. This was all hashed out when Louis Farakhan made similar claims as you did.

Tim said...

For all the fantasies about black students rising out of the ghetto into the ivy league, please read this article that gets so little attention.

I went to some of D.C.’s best schools. I was still unprepared for college.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-went-to-one-of-dcs-best-high-schools-i-was-still-unprepared-for-college/2012/04/13/gIQAqQQAFT_story.html?utm_term=.1dd4456e7be3

Thoughtful Conservative said...

Ignored by the Progressive Left race baiting 'industry' is an Inconvenient Truth' (sorry Al Gore). Slavery has existed since early civilization. A history lesson for those who are ignorant / uninformed.

Slavery from Africa to the New World was initiated by Arab (Muslim) traders who bought captives and prisoners from one African tribe who defeated a second tribe. The victors profited two ways - they eliminated a neighboring tribe and received some trinkets in return.

Then the Europeans (and later the Rhode Island sea captains) transported the captives primarily to South America, the Caribbean, and then to the southern US (the triangle trade, slaves, rum, molasses).

Many ambitious American blacks were fortunate enough to escape / buy their freedom and prospered. Others fell into the cycle best described by the late Liberal NY Sen Patrick Moynihan - men who fathered too many children and abandoned their families to welfare.

Rich Rostrom said...

rcocean said...
Blacks in Jamaica were slaves until 1833, and couldn't vote or hold office until the mid 1960s.

Jamaica had a limited franchise in the 1800s, including some blacks. Britain established universal suffrage in Jamaica in 1944. Norman Manley (mixed-race) was Chief Minister 1955-1959, Premier 1959-1962. Jamaica became independent in 1962, by leaving the West Indies Federation.

Bad Lieutenant said...

autothreads said...
You know who were the big wheels in the slave trade? Jews. The Confederacy had a Jewish Secretary of State, and a Jewish Senator from Florida. I'm not sure when Jews decided Slavery was bad, you tell me, if you can.

Southern Jews were actually less likely to own slaves than southern Christians. This was all hashed out when Louis Farakhan made similar claims as you did.

9/29/17, 7:49 PM



Forget it autothreads, it's rcocean.