July 18, 2017

Who's afraid of Kid Rock?

Apparently, people are finding this very powerful:



I like that his issue is clear speech. That's one of my long-term issues (and one of my favorite tags). There's something poignant in the thought that all we really want is to understand what the hell is going on.

Last 6 words of the previous sentence brought to you by Mr. Clear Speech, Donald Trump...

138 comments:

David Begley said...

Kid Rock is running.

He will win in a landslide.

john mosby said...

He can smell a pig from a mile away!

JSM

Birkel said...

All summer long!

Bob R said...

My impression is that being a senator is really boring. I'm not sure Kid Rock can stand it.

Ralph L said...

So he doesn't trust his people to navigate his taxes and legal issues?

Patrick said...

Aren't some things complex?

Kate said...

Part of the problem with healthcare reform is that no one can understand the topic, which is frustrating as hell. If a Kid Rock platform for simplicity ran in every state, the Congress itself would be repealed and replaced.

Clyde said...

Best thing is that if he chooses to use a Kid Rock song in his campaign, there won't be any liberal musicians whining about it and asking him to cease and desist.

Bay Area Guy said...

No matter how "unconventional" he is, he's better than Debbie Stabenow.

Rusty said...

No, Ralph. He doesn't trust the government to do that for every other citizen. So Ralph. Perhaps he really wants to run to serve his country rather than enrich himself.

stlcdr said...

"Aren't some things complex?"

Yes, but some people make a job out of ensuring this is so.

Kevin said...

Apparently, people are finding this very powerful

Chuck hardest hit.

Freder Frederson said...

He will win in a landslide.

Debbie Stabenow won in 2012, 59-38%. While I am hesitant to call any campaign a joke (considering the current president), Kid Rock is no Donald Trump.

There is no need to fear Kid Rock, but of course we can't ignore him either.

Ralph L said...

Rusty, my point is that the other suddenly rich celebrities don't seem to care what government does to them.

AJ Lynch said...

So I go in the 711 the other day and the young man in front or me has his McDonald's employee shirt on and is buying cigarettes. When he leaves, I comment to the store owner that jeez he spends $8 for cigarettes on a McDonald's paycheck? The store owner says yeah but he gets $600 per month for some type of disability plus food stamps of $300 or so plus a housing voucher. My point is the average taxpayer is not aware of how their taxes are spent. That is an example of what Robert Rickey would like cleared up.

n.n said...

This Constitution was written for "the People" and "our Posterity", not for lawyers and their works to discover storks at the twilight fringe. Lawyers are the priestly class of a "secular" society.

traditionalguy said...
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traditionalguy said...

In 1984 Orwell sets out Confusion as Big Brother's first display of power over thoughts. The State demands 2+2 =5. Which is depressing to your morale.

War works by an intentional deception in the reality narrative. The State wins when it keeps your firepower aimed imaginary targets.

Sample Commenter said...

Songwriters are versed in rhetoric. I think he's a real possibility.

Freder Frederson said...

The store owner says yeah but he gets $600 per month for some type of disability plus food stamps of $300 or so plus a housing voucher.

How the store owner knows this is beyond me, but at least on the food stamps, he is full of shit. Maximum benefit for a household of one is $194.

How much is the government subsidizing your mortgage?

rehajm said...

I will admit I'm a bit frightened by by the new video. even though we're all the same deplorables.

Ann Althouse said...

"This Constitution was written for "the People" and "our Posterity", not for lawyers and their works to discover storks at the twilight fringe. Lawyers are the priestly class of a "secular" society."

Compare Chief Justice John Marshall in McCulloch v. Maryland:

"A Constitution, to contain an accurate detail of all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit, and of all the means by which they may be carried into execution, would partake of the prolixity of a legal code, and could scarcely be embraced by the human mind. It would probably never be understood by the public. Its nature, therefore, requires that only its great outlines should be marked, its important objects designated, and the minor ingredients which compose those objects be deduced from the nature of the objects themselves."

Bill Crawford said...

Whether he actually runs or not, as long as he keeps that option open he is going to remind everyone why Donald Trump was elected president. He might even get almost as much free press as candidate Trump did.

Gusty Winds said...

Kid Rock has successfully brought Rap and Country together under his umbrella. Wonder how his candidacy will play in Detroit. If he can ciphon inner city votes he could win. Everyone in Washington is now such a do nothing clown, Kid Rock looks appealing. Can he run as Kid Rock, or does he have to run as Guy Richie.

Saw him at Summerfest in 2011, 3rd row on the Born Free tour. Awesome show.

How is his opponent supposed to hit him on his lifestyle when he wears it on his sleeve? This could be awesome.

Robert Cook said...

"Whether he actually runs or not, as long as he keeps that option open he is going to remind everyone why Donald Trump was elected president."

Yes...because the voters who voted for Trump distrusted and disliked Hillary Clinton. Is Kid Rock's potential opponent another Hillary Clinton?

Snark said...

"Debbie Stabenow won in 2012, 59-38%. While I am hesitant to call any campaign a joke (considering the current president), Kid Rock is no Donald Trump.

"There is no need to fear Kid Rock, but of course we can't ignore him either."

He's no Donald Trump in the sense that he just seems to be a bit of an asshole rather than a personality disordered malignancy, but If Kid Rock runs, and I think he will - you probably don't do an interview with Dan Rather because you're looking to sell records - I expect many democrats will vote for him. Anybody who in one way or another helps keep expectations of him low is helping him along because the lower they are, the greater the speed with which he will blow past them. The man has a gazillion dollars and lives in a decked out double wide trailer on a hill near Nashville. There is a certain deliberateness in that that suggests an underlying depth and realness that I think will translate to people. Other aspects of the arc of his life will do so as well. He's been politically engaged for years and has been extremely loyal to His Michigan roots. Nobody should be treating Kid Rock as a joke.

Matthew Sablan said...

I'm not sure whether to blame the Governator, Ventura or Al Franken.

Chuck said...

Gusty Winds said...
Kid Rock has successfully brought Rap and Country together under his umbrella. Wonder how his candidacy will play in Detroit. If he can ciphon inner city votes he could win. Everyone in Washington is now such a do nothing clown, Kid Rock looks appealing. Can he run as Kid Rock, or does he have to run as Guy Richie.

If he runs as Guy Richie, there will likely be a British film director who will be unhappy.
The law is that he will need to run under his legal name, which is Robert Ritchie.

And since Detroit votes about 97% Democrat (and you will rightly think that is hyperbole, but it isn't), I don't know how many would vote in a Republican primary. Or, if they did vote, how many would vote for Rob Ritchie over the African-American Bob Young.

In the Republican suburbs of Birmingham, Grosse Pointe, Troy and East Grand Rapids, I don't know how many will vote for a pro-choice and pro-Obergefell candidate.

Chuck said...

"Debbie Stabenow won in 2012, 59-38%..."

That was such a depressing election. She beat Pete Hoekstra, who would make an excellent U.S. Senator. 2012 was one of the Obama-turnout years. Where we saw that record-setting, incomprehensible turnout of straight-Democrat voters in Detroit, Flint, Pontiac, Wayne County, etc.

Chuck said...

Can somebody please explain the attraction of Kid Rock? "Better than Debbie Stabenow" is a really, really low bar.

I am guessing that almost none of you know anything about the leading Republican candidate, former Michigan Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Young.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Untangle the corrupt bureaucracy. Stay away from the corruptocrats. R's suck too.

Gahrie said...

"A Constitution, to contain an accurate detail of all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit, and of all the means by which they may be carried into execution, would partake of the prolixity of a legal code, and could scarcely be embraced by the human mind.

Bullshit. The original concept was : "if we didn't include it, the federal government can't do it" not "here's a basic outline, we'll fill in the details later".

It would probably never be understood by the public. Its nature, therefore, requires that only its great outlines should be marked, its important objects designated, and the minor ingredients which compose those objects be deduced from the nature of the objects themselves."

This is only to be expected by the man who committed one of the greatest con jobs in history when he created the power of judicial review for the Supreme Court. He was the original judicial activist.

Chuck said...

If Kid Rock runs for the Republican nomination on the platform of "Republicans suck too," that will make for an interesting campaign.

But, I have to admit, that Kid Rock will probably own the "Dickin'Bimbos@Home" demographic.

Snark said...

"And since Detroit votes about 97% Democrat (and you will rightly think that is hyperbole, but it isn't), I don't know how many would vote in a Republican primary. Or, if they did vote, how many would vote for Rob Ritchie over the African-American Bob Young."

He's got deep roots in the black community, whatever that might be worth. His stage name comes from "Look at that white kid rock" and was born in his formative music years spent deep in black neighbourhoods and clubs of Detroit.

Gahrie said...

I am guessing that almost none of you know anything about the leading Republican candidate, former Michigan Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Young

I'm willing to bet that he is a lifelong Republican and member of the GOP Establishment.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Chuck - LOL.

AllenS said...

Chuck said...
Can somebody please explain the attraction of Kid Rock?

Easy, he's not a politician.

Chuck said...

Imagine what the standard sorts of oppo-research (you know, the kind of stuff that Don Trump Jr. specializes in) will turn up on Ritchie, with at least one public sex tape so far and a half-dozen arrests and convictions.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70 year old person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home."

-- Colin Powell on Felonia Von Pantsuit



AJ Lynch said...

Freder:

The store owner knows the card recipients. They come into his store regularly and are probably flush with card money on the 1st of the month. He probably has been told this amount by one or more of the recipients. I have no reason to doubt what he says - why do you?

And the govt does not subsidize my mortgage asshole but of course you are likely one of those d-bags who view tax deductions as tax expenditures a term made up by Bill Clinton just like govt investments.

Btw, have I told you lately to get bent.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Chuck - Opposition research is fine as long as it's not on Hillary Clinton, queen corruptocrat, mega-media-Stephanoplois-McAuliff money whore.

Gahrie said...

Imagine what the standard sorts of oppo-research (you know, the kind of stuff that Don Trump Jr. specializes in) will turn up on Ritchie, with at least one public sex tape so far and a half-dozen arrests and convictions.

UHM..we expect rock singers to have public sex tapes and criminal convictions......

Ralph L said...

How much is the government subsidizing your mortgage?
Taking less of his money is not a subsidy. But the Democrat party does not understand that concept.

Marshall was trying to rationalize SCOTUS's power grab. Do you think Marbury came out of the blue?

Chuck said...

DB@H:

But Colin Powell, very much unlike me, did end up voting for Felonia von Pantsuit, right?

The Dickin' Bimbos at Home Crowd specializes in non-ideological, principle-free voting, based simply on your gut reaction to someone's pop culture persona, right? Why the hell does Colin Powell claim to be a Republican?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Oh no - Kid Rock dated Pamela Anderson. It's over.

Greg said...

'Aren't some things complex'. Some perspective: I work for a large global accounting firm, I'm located in Canada. I have the entire Canadian tax code, corporate and personal on my desk. It's a single soft cover book about 4 inches thick. We have a small group that specializes in US tax for our clients with operations in both countries. They have a small library to contain the US tax code.

Fabi said...

"...with at least one public sex tape so far and a half-dozen arrests and convictions."

Kid Rock is running as a Kennedy? ;-)

Gahrie said...

Marshall was trying to rationalize SCOTUS's power grab. Do you think Marbury came out of the blue?

Quite the opposite. I think Marshall created the controversy on purpose while he was serving simultaneously as Secretary of State and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court so that he could create the power of Judicial Review.

Chuck said...

UHM..we expect rock singers to have public sex tapes and criminal convictions......

And the number of "rock singers" in the U.S. Senate = zero.

Gahrie said...

And the number of "rock singers" in the U.S. Senate = zero.

So far.

Chuck said...

Kid Rock is running as a Kennedy?

Maybe moreso than any Republican! He's a Kennedy, on abortion. He's a Kennedy, on same-sex marriage. He's probably a Kennedy on taxes (promise lots of cuts) and government spending (keep the federal programs flowing).

He's like a Kennedy, with all kinds of name-recognition, much of it dubious or infamous, and almost no personal substance.

Gahrie said...

I think the best thing that can happen for Republicans at this point is for lifelong Republicans and members of the GOP Establishment to start attacking potentially popular Republican candidates for seats currently held by Democrats.

Chuck said...

I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Blogger Chuck said...
UHM..we expect rock singers to have public sex tapes and criminal convictions......

And the number of "rock singers" in the U.S. Senate = zero.


7/18/17, 8:59 AM

We have an SNL "comedian" so why not a rock singer?

We had zero business tycoon/reality show stars in the WH until January 2017. And you can't stop moaning and bitching about it.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Chuck,
She's greedy, runs a private server for cash in secret while heading the State Dept, and he's dickin bimbos at home. but but but - we are all supposed to freak out over Donny. and now Kid Rock.

I'm not a fan of the celebrity take over of our government, but in this case, I'm willing to give Kid Rock the benefit of the doubt. At least he's not Sean the Socialist Penn.

Gahrie said...

I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy.

He could win and take a Senate seat away from the Democrats.

It's understandable why that might not appeal to you.

Chuck said...

Gahrie said...
I think the best thing that can happen for Republicans at this point is for lifelong Republicans and members of the GOP Establishment to start attacking potentially popular Republican candidates for seats currently held by Democrats...

I am attacking someone who has barely any Republican credentials, and who espouses a few profoundly un-Republican ideals, who would mount a primary challenge to one of the finest conservative Republican candidates anyone could imagine.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Kid Rock would be a fun President to send to Europe. I see he's playing the Iowa State Fair on August 20. And 6 nights in September at the brand new Little Ceasar's Arena in Detroit. What a great name for an arena!

Snark said...

"'Aren't some things complex'. Some perspective: I work for a large global accounting firm, I'm located in Canada. I have the entire Canadian tax code, corporate and personal on my desk. It's a single soft cover book about 4 inches thick. We have a small group that specializes in US tax for our clients with operations in both countries. They have a small library to contain the US tax code."

Not only that, but two inches of the book is CRA apologizing.

Gahrie said...

I am attacking someone who has barely any Republican credentials, and who espouses a few profoundly un-Republican ideals, who would mount a primary challenge to one of the finest conservative Republican candidates anyone could imagine.

Yeah...how'd that work out for you in the 2016 presidential election?

"Let's lose with class" is not a winning campaign strategy.

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

American Bad Ass-partial lyrics:
I'm an American Bad Ass
Watch me kick
You can roll with Rock
Or you can suck my dick
I'm a porno flick, i'm like Amazing Grace
I'm gonna f*ck some hoes after i rock this place
~~~~~~~~~~
I, for one, appreciate such honesty amd straightforward talk. No 'didnt know the mic was on' accidents for this wordsmith!

Birkel said...

Nobody believes the MSM because they have burned their credibility. Even Democrats understand the game but cheer because the correct ox is gored.

Nobody can know precisely when the final hair is removed that makes a man bald. But we know baldness when we see it. Nobody knows precisely what particular damage to credibility leaves one without credibility but we know it when we see it.

Over to Michigan expert and all-around so-called fopdoodle who has loads of "Hot Takes" on a Kid Rock candidacy...

Snark said...

Oh no - Kid Rock dated Pamela Anderson. It's over."

Married Pam Anderson. Briefly.

Darrell said...

Chuck said-
Robert Young.


I loved him in Father Knows Best and Marcus Welby, M.D.

Chuck said...

Darrell said...
Chuck said-
Robert Young.

I loved him in Father Knows Best and Marcus Welby, M.D.

Donald Trump loved him, when he put Bob Young on his short list of possible SCOTUS nominees.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Fabi @ 8:58.

!

Gahrie said...

Donald Trump loved him, when he put Bob Young on his short list of possible SCOTUS nominees.

So we give him RGB's seat and let Kid Rock run for the Senate.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Married her? omg - it's over. I bet they had SEX.

Lyle Smith said...

Gauls and Celts in the Senate? Oh my!

Birkel said...

I do understand Chuck. Chuck is a big government (compassionate conservative?) social conservative. He thinks other voters will be turned off by a lack of social grace when most voters recognize the country is going broke (i.e. cannot meet its promises except through inflation)

and are willing to compromise on social issues (i.e. that horse left the barn, kicking over an oil lantern on the way out and burning half of Chicago to the ground)

and are prioritizing with the understanding that the Chucks of the world are losers.

We want half a loaf if it means the country doesn't go broke.

Snark said...

"Married her? omg - it's over. I bet they had SEX."

I know!!! Maybe even with EACH OTHER. I mean, just forget about it.

Chuck said...

So Birkel, what is the priority(ies) that Kid Rock would bring to the Senate, that Bob Young wouldn't? The part about "the country going broke" is curious, with Kid Rock. I don't have a clue about what he'd stand for, and I wonder what you know about that.

I am trying to understand any principled argument for Kid Rock. Not just the "everybody knows him!" argument.

Lyle Smith said...

Chuck is starting to learn that all demographics matter! All demographics matter!

Big Mike said...

Yes...because the voters who voted for Trump distrusted and disliked Hillary Clinton. Is Kid Rock's potential opponent another Hillary Clinton?

By now you know what hat his opponent will be Debbie Stabenow, do the short answer is affirmative, except that Stabenow not quite as corrupt.(But then, who is?)

Darrell said...

He had three separate weddings to Pamela Anderson--one near St Tropez, another in a Beverly Hills courthouse and a third in Nashville.

Fabi said...

The verbiage in Rock's promo shown above is very compelling. I'll be sending him a donation.

sean said...

My takeaway from a comparison of Oberwetter and Cohen v. California is that the courts pronounce simple expressions (like "offensive conduct") to be hopelessly confusing, whereas long periodic sentences are like catnip to lawyers. So the attempt to write comprehensible laws in plain language is doomed.

Snark said...

There will be some percentage of people who will simply never vote for a Kid Rock. And there will be some percentage who will always vote for a Kid Rock. The vast middle is the question, and I'd bet all of Donald Trump's money (like the money that actually belongs to him) that there is a significant number of people that will start out with a certain set of assumptions and end with up with a much more complex and more favourable picture of the man. Low expectations are his friend.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

I know!!! Maybe even with EACH OTHER. I mean, just forget about it.

Each other! NOOOOOO.


Kid Rock needs to learn fast that it's government sanctioned robot sex or re-education camp, buddy.

Chuck said...

Big Mike, there are some doubts that Stabenow will run again. One thing that, in my mind, makes her a more likely candidate in 2018 is the fact that she is such a dunce, she is not a likely private sector candidate for a major lobbying/think tank position. I don't think that she has many million-dollar offers awaiting her if she retires. But she might.

In three terms in the Senate, she's done almost nothing of consequence. She was the Chair of the Agriculture Committee, when a major agriculture bill was passed but she was a figurehead in those negotiations.

Darrell said...

"The couple vowed to keep her diagnosis with Hepatitis C a secret, but when Anderson secretly revealed the affliction, Rock was left looking ignorant in subsequent interviews when he continued to deny it.

Rock summed the affair up succinctly on The Howard Stern Show: "I knew the stove was hot, and I wanted to put my hand on it"


Note he said "on it."

Fabi said...

"In Rock We Trust"
"Pimp of the Nation"
"Party to the People"

What's not to like? I've already ordered a t-shirt.

dustbunny said...

There was a sex tape with Pam Anderson. At this point I'm not sure whether that's a negative or positive.

Birkel said...

A fopdoodle has asked me for a principled explanation of a vote for Kid Rock.

I ask the fopdoodle what principled, winning message he is forwarding by constantly arguing against gay marriage. The barn and half of Chicago burned down. But now the Cubs have won a World Series and there is no curse if somebody admits those issues are not winning issues. You're an old, stodgy, socially conservative bore.

We know!

Craft a winning message in the current political environment.

Darrell said...

Sex Tape

Rock's unlikely friendship with US singer Stapp took an unfortunate turn due to a bizarre series of events in 1999. While the sex tape itself never emerged – Rock said he "paid the money to quash it through attorneys and things" – knowledge of it became public in 2006.

Rock's telling of the story is that while he was touring with Metallica, he was visited by a groupie in his trailer. "There’s a knock at the door and it’s Scott Stapp with a video camera. He’s like: 'What’s going on here?' And I’m like: 'Whaddya mean, what’s going on here?'

"I was just trying to be a friend to him. He just seemed a little lost. I think I said to him: 'What’s with the camera?' And you just know that thing’s coming out one day. The thing is, if it did – and it almost did – I’d be a f------ hero; it would ruin his career.'

Fabi said...

How about this one --

"Kid Rock 2018 -- I'll shit in the caviar"

Fabi said...

"Kid Rock 2018 -- Screw the fopdoodles"

mockturtle said...

When reading the voter's pamphlet, I am often confused about the measures on the ballot. Legalese often makes it difficult to know whether a vote 'FOR' is actually 'FOR' or is really for rescinding an existing abrogation of said law.

Chuck said...

I ask the fopdoodle what principled, winning message he is forwarding by constantly arguing against gay marriage. The barn and half of Chicago burned down. But now the Cubs have won a World Series and there is no curse if somebody admits those issues are not winning issues. You're an old, stodgy, socially conservative bore.


Chief Justice Roberts:
"If you are among the many Americans—of whatever sexual orientation—who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S. ___ (2015)(Roberts, CJ, in dissent).

So let me get this straight; I am the guy who is accused of being the left-wing subversive here? It's my Republican credentials that are in doubt?

dustbunny said...

I was wrong, The Anderson sex tape was with Tommy Lee Jones, maybe he'll run too. As Hunter Thompson presciently said, "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

Unknown said...

No one.

Birkel said...

No, fopdoodle, I am questioning your ability to craft a winning message. Justice Roberts couldn't craft a winning message out of nine people. Nine old people. Young people are not going to be swayed toward what might be a winning message if you keep feeding them your socially conservative agenda. Even Republicans aren't worked up about the issues you wish were big motivators of GOPe.

It's a losing message. Get it?

Your argument for purity and either a whole loaf or no loaf is answered. We want some fucking bread. Purity on social issues plus $1.25 will get you a Coke out of a vending machine. Return the bottle for a dime, GOPe losers.

You think there's no principle when most of us on Althouse are arguing for the possible. And you're too pigheaded to understand.

Justice Roberts lost. You lost.

At some point you must come to grips with the fact you are a loser in love with losing policy purity arguments. Loser.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

If Kid Rick makes leftists lose their collective hive minds. Winning.

Darrell said...

He's an ordained minister

The whys and the wherefores are lesser known on this one, but Rock brought it up in 2015 while describing his political views: "As an ordained minister I don’t look forward to marrying gay people, but I’m not opposed to it."

In a similarly unusual take on right-wing politics, Rock also believes in the legalization of drugs: "they should legalize and tax everything: pot, cocaine, heroin. Has it not been proven that people will always find a way to get what they want?"

Snark said...

One fairly unique thing about Richie is that he's had long, immersive experiences ranging over the entire breadth of the 99%. He was born and raised middle/upper middle class and then took a deliberate hard turn and spent years honing himself in the underbelly of Detroit with its very different socioeconomic ethos. Over time he found a great deal of wealth, and the necessary concerns of a rich man. I think all that combines to produce an ability to understand and empathize with the needs and concerns of an awful lot of people that can't be learned in the same way from the outside of any of those experiences, and to be a uniquely credentialed bullshit detector across that same board. If I were to asked to make a principled argument (as far as that is possible for a guy who leans right - ha ha!) for a Kid Rock candidacy, I think it would be based on those things.

Birkel said...

As was said many years ago on a documentary about Kid Rock: "Kid Rock has a ghetto pass for life."

97% of Detroit might vote for a Democrat in normal times. But how many of those voters are aware of Kid Rock in a context that cannot be faked? He will be able to ask for votes in areas that Republicans usually don't bother campaigning without looking like a John Kerry level dumb ass asking for a "huntin' license" in a bull shit accent.

Gahrie said...

and are prioritizing with the understanding that the Chucks of the world are losers.

It is not so much that they are losers as that they are completely ineffective. The Republican Party controls the House, Senate, Presidency and and the Supreme Court and they still can't pass a budget or kill Obamacare.

I can't wait to hear the GOP pleas in 2018..."Vote Republican and we'll do all the shit you want us to do, and that we have been promising to do. No really..we will this time. Honest. Trust us."

Snark said...

"I was wrong, The Anderson sex tape was with Tommy Lee Jones, maybe he'll run too."

Tommy Lee (of Motley Crüe), not Tommy Lee Jones. I like this thread. Guy Richie might become a Senator and Tommy Lee Jones plays wicked drums.

Drago said...

I wasn't too sure about the Kid Rock candidacy.

But seeing where Chuck comes down convinces me that the "Kid" will run and likely win.

You could do well electorally by simply adopting the opposite position from certain commenters.

Big Mike said...

@Gahrie, all too true. I got a desperate fundraising letter from my Congresswoman, Barbara Comstock (R), pleading for donations because the Democrats have targeted her district in 2018. But what has she done? The only vote she has taken where a Democrat would have voted differently was for Paul Ryan as Speaker. If you can't get agreement on how to replace Obamacare then just kill it. For the vast majority of voters Obamacare has meant paying more money for worse healthcare coverage. That's the simple truth. They can fix taxes too, while they're at it.

Really, it's up to those of us who are Republican voters in Republican-held districts to contact our Congress critters and let them know that the status quo is not acceptable. Living in the Washington bubble as they do, perhaps our Congress critters have forgotten that you win with voters casting votes. Not with dollars raised or favorable mentions in the Washington Post, but with people who care enough about their candidacy to drive a mile to the polls on Election Day and cast a ballot for them.

Idea's crazy enough it might just work.

Swede said...

He used to be balls deep in Pamela Anderson and hangs out with midgets and shit.

Why, yes, I will be voting for him.

dustbunny said...

Can't believe I wrote Tommy Lee Jones instead of Tommy Lee, afraid I'm entering Emily Litella territory, Nevermind!

gspencer said...

"'Better than Debbie Stabenow' is a really, really low bar."

Okay, substitute HRC for DB. Doesn't seem so bad, does it?

That was the motivator for a lot of DJT voters.

Chuck said...

Birkel said...
No, fopdoodle, I am questioning your ability to craft a winning message. Justice Roberts couldn't craft a winning message out of nine people. Nine old people. Young people are not going to be swayed toward what might be a winning message if you keep feeding them your socially conservative agenda. Even Republicans aren't worked up about the issues you wish were big motivators of GOPe.

A really great reason, for you to be a Democrat, and for me to be a Republican.

Unknown said...

Trump talks clearly!

cubanbob said...

Considering the clowns that are already in Congress or were in Congress I don't see a problem with Kid Rock in the Senate. Is he dumber than Joe Biden? No. More crooked than Hillary Clinton? No. Sleazier than Chuck Schumer? No. Looks like Kid is more of a Libertarian than Republican. So what. That is still infinitely better than any Democrat.

Ann Althouse said...

"Trump talks clearly!"

I'm sure it looks nuts on paper, but listening, it's fine. Easy to understand... as long as you don't listen through a filter of hate.

Birkel said...

fopdoodle,
Do you see the Republican Party you want has no future in elective office, you purity pusher? Which elected officials can you count to follow your agenda? Name them.

I want regulatory and spending decreases. The rest of my platform is "get out of my way".

Ann Althouse said...

"I'm sure it looks nuts on paper..."

Especially if the transcriber chooses to punctuate unsympathetically.

AllenS said...

Unknown said...
Trump talks clearly!

I think Inga is back.

Chuck said...

Ann Althouse said...
"Trump talks clearly!"

I'm sure it looks nuts on paper, but listening, it's fine. Easy to understand... as long as you don't listen through a filter of hate.

It looks nuts, and it sounds nuts. Worst of all, reading it or hearing it, it comes off as crazy/stupid/illegal in a U.S. District Court.

The cause of greater immigration scrutiny was actually set back, by Trump's irresponsible, incomprehensible verbiage on "a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States..." No one was ever going to enact such a thing. Not in a federal statute; not in the Code of Federal Regulations, not in an Executive Order. The Trump Administration knew better, than to even try. So they tried something else. Something that might stoke the fires of the base, and give off an appearance of a Trump immigration victory.

I offer no opinion on whether the many district court T.R.O.'s were proper. My only opinion is that Trump's terrible, reckless, imprecise, insupportable language was a huge problem. For his base, it was a false promise. For his enemies, it was catnip. For U.S. District Court judges, it was an issue.


Bad Lieutenant said...


Chuck said...
I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy.
7/18/17, 9:04 AM


Here are two:

1) Donald who?
2) Sen. Rock (MI) will annoy you every time you read it

Birkel said...

"The cause of greater immigration scrutiny was actually set back, by...

...District Court judges who ignored the law, became laws unto themselves, assumed authority not granted them by the U.S. Constitution and were overruled unanimously by the Supreme Court of the United States.

I am happy to correct your falsehoods. Please let me know when you would like to spout more lies and I will be similarly helpful.

Gahrie said...

I offer no opinion on whether the many district court T.R.O.'s were proper

Well I mean, why would you? I mean it's not like they are cases of activists judges unconstitutionally interfering with a Republican President's right to manage the Executive branch.

Birkel said...

Althouse: "...don't listen through a filter of hate."
Chuck: Hate is what I have.
Everybody else: "We know.

Darrell said...

I now bring in Mr. Wu from Deadwood, South Dakota, to finish the debate with Mr. Chuck of Michigan.

hombre said...

"Work your butt off and pay your taxes? There goes the Democrat base, the leftmedia and the Political elite.

tdocer said...

Chuck said: "I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy."

AllenS is essentially correct: Kid Rock is not a politician.

From Orrin Hatch and John "Maverick" McCain, who are still lurking about after swearing that they'd never hang around into their 80's--no sir, not them!--through Nancy Pelosi et al who have enriched themselves from the information she gleans in legislative sessions and hearings, to Bill and Hillary Clinton, who sold access through the State Department for personal gain and glory, the self-anointed, permanent, professional political class has reveled in their incompetence and corruption. That talent is matched by their success in systematically dismantling the rule of law.

The current Governor of Virginia is Terry McAuliffe, former Democrat bagman. The Republican candidate for Governor of Virginia is Ed Gillespie, former Republican bagman. They are both well-schooled in the game of politics, but that says nothing about their ability to govern. So sure, what the hell. Kid Rock for US Senate. I can't shed any tears that the political class, and the media that feeds it and off of it, are taking in the teeth. They invited the abuse. It would be unfair of the not to accept it.

Snark said...

"Trump talks clearly"

John Oliver said the other day that Trump talks like a Speak-and-Spell that just fell in the toilet. Cracked me right up then, and cracks me up again just now writing it. An awesomely literal LOL.

Birkel said...

Funny, Darrell.

Chuck said...

God, what dumb asses on this page.

My opinion on the Trump "refugee ban" cases is this; I'd be most comfortable seeing Trump's administration win. It is an area of the law where good clear management responsibility rightly rests with the Executive. And I hate seeing federal district courts become micro-managers of immigration policy. In a nation where we've seen far too much power taken out of the Legislative branch and too much invested in the Executive (and FAR too much in the Article III courts), immigration is an exception.

Okay?

Now if I was a DoJ lawyer tasked with defending the Trump EO's in federal court, my first email would be to the Attorney General and the White House counsel: "Please tell the President that he has screwed things up for us, with his Tweets and his stray comments, in addition to that campaign announcement. We'll do our best, but things will go more smoothly if you get the President to shut up on this issue."

Yancey Ward said...

If he runs, he will win. I suspect he won't run, but I could definitely be wrong about that.

Birkel said...

So, a fopdoodle would like to assure people, again, that the law changes and U.S. District Court judges are free to assert their will -- instead of applying the laws of the nation -- because the president tweeted mean things.

And we're the dumb asses who aren't conservative?

All because you want Republicans to run on the Social Conservative Platform Guaranteed to Lose (SCPGL for short). Loosen your bow tie and your anal sphincter. The blood to your brain is overly restricted.

buwaya said...

"We'll do our best, but things will go more smoothly if you get the President to shut up on this issue"

But the real issue is that it matters that the President must "shut up on the issue".
The law should be the law no matter what anyone says.
That is, the real issue, of the corruption of institutions, is much larger than the issue of immigration policy.

This is a symptom of the autism of the procedurally-obsessed.

Drago said...

"lifelong republican" and Dem Defender Chuck: " "Please tell the President that he has screwed things up for us, with his Tweets and his stray comments,..."

The tweets are just an excuse for your lefty kindred spirits to completely disregard the law.

Trumps tweets are irrelevant as to the law.

Any "so called" lefty judge that seeks out the tweets as a basis for a ruling is establishing rules of men, not of laws and will bastardize any law to serve their own political purposes.

It's no wonder Chuck finds so much common cause with them.

Drago said...

"I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy."

He can win in an environment where the "lifelong republicans" and their lefty allies refuse to fight.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Snark, John Oliver also said he would donate to the Trump campaign if Trump ran for president because Oliver was 100% sure he would lose.

Unless Oliver lied, Trump got some of the limey dolt's money.

Trump - 1
Oliver - 0

Drago said...

Careful exiled, there is no surer way to get a rise out of Chuck then to mock a lefty late night host.

Drago said...

Snark: "John Oliver said the other day that Trump talks like a Speak-and-Spell that just fell in the toilet. Cracked me right up then, and cracks me up again just now writing it. An awesomely literal LOL."

Yes, you guys on the left and "lifelong republican" side do have the late night insult zingers down pat!

It's been an effective strategy so I would double down on it if I were you.

Michael K said...

I understand why that isn't impressive for the Marshal Of Vichey GOPe Michigan, who is in a lifelong monogomous relationship with Palmula Handerson.

It's a good thing my mouth was not full when I read this.

I'm still laughing.

Snark said...

Chuck, do you watch Better Call Saul? You always make me think of the character Chuck a little bit, which I think would happen even without the coincidence of the name. It's interesting to me, and I have wondered what you would think about the aptness of the comparison.

Snark said...

"It's a good thing my mouth was not full when I read this."

Rarely a good response to jokes about masturbation. The mind wanders.

Achilles said...

Kid rock is the future of the Republican Party.

The Vichy traitors like Chuck are the past.

It is time to start focusing on primarying other Vichy traitors like murkowski snowe and capito McCain graham etc.

Chuck said...

Snark said...
Chuck, do you watch Better Call Saul? You always make me think of the character Chuck a little bit, which I think would happen even without the coincidence of the name. It's interesting to me, and I have wondered what you would think about the aptness of the comparison.

Yeah! But, uh, {SPOILER ALERT} we're probably not going to have to worry about Charles McGill anymore.

john mosby said...

It's just too bad Joe C isn't around to see this. Would be great to see him in the staff seat behind Kid Rock on the Senate floor.

JSM

Snark said...

"Yeah! But, uh, {SPOILER ALERT} we're probably not going to have to worry about Charles McGill anymore."

Wasn't that an incredible end of the season? Will be fascinating to see how it impacts Jmmy. Anyway, glad you watch as it's an exceptional show. Hopefully we will continue to see Chuck in flashback, because he's a great character.

Rusty said...

Chuck said,
"I'm still waiting for anyone to post a rationale for a Kid Rock candidacy."

I hope you brought something to read.

Jeff Norman said...

Among other reasons, Ann Althouse is a genius for figuring out how to customize the endpoint of a YouTube video. Very impressive!