Why it's like the administration at Evergreen State has created--or at least allowed the existence of--a "hostile environment".
Allowing the existence of a "hostile environment" for women, gays, racial or ethnic minorities of one flavor or another has caused many a private employer to be found liable for discrimination and hit with a hefty jury verdict.
Now if this was Evergreen Widget Manufacturing Company, no one would blink an eye when the old Widgeteers got hit with a $3.8 million jury award.
"What other way is there to bring a stop to this nonsense? The universities have been unwilling to do so on their own."
The guilty parties, that is the administrators and the board supposedly in charge of that asylum, will not suffer from this. They have impunity, its not their money.
"Who the [blank] would ever go to Evergreen State College? Were admission standards too high at West Texas junior college?"
Just like Mizzou, after the BLM meltdown there. Plummeting applications and matriculations. Closed dorms. Layoffs. All because the administration went SJW crazy.
I don't blame him. He will probably be unemployable as a professor, given the enormous biases he will face from hiring committees. He will be ostracized if he remains at Evergreen.
The state doesn't have to fund this. The smart reaction would be both a funding and tuition freeze so the school administration has to decide how to make up the difference.
@buwaya: "All of this is other peoples money." Not to get all argumentative with a kindred spirit, but: it's always other people's money. No one, no one in the MSM anyway, ever says of big judgments agains police or schools: "wait, let's don't do that, it's other people's money." Nor does anyone, well, hardly anyone, ever say, wait, let's not expand Medicaid to people making $80K, it's other people's money. At least in Weinstein's case we might get a message and some entertainment out of it.
Sebastian said... @buwaya: "All of this is other peoples money." Not to get all argumentative with a kindred spirit, but: it's always other people's money.
Yes. He was saying, in essence, "Never sue the government. Let gov't employees get away with anything." The responsible people won't suffer as much as they should, but they'll suffer a bit, and there should be some deterrent effect to the institutions.
All this takes is a little adult supervision from the state houses and education regents and these warmed over commies will go back into hiding like they usually do. They just got a little carried away mocking the normals the last 8 years.
It's always disappointing to see a case that really ought to be about free speech end in a lawsuit. Instead of everybody joining together and learning a valuable lesson, everybody's going to troop down to the courthouse and somebody's going to get ordered to comply.
Not taking sides on the lawsuit, by the way. It's quite plausible to me that the level of vilification and intimidation the guy was subjected to rises to the level of a tort. I'm just disappointed that the better angels of our nature didn't win out.
Watching that clown in the tracksuit with her profanity and the stupid dog under her arm just makes me sad. That is not the behavior or presentation of someone who is emotionally, intellectually or spiritually healthy.
"Just like Mizzou, after the BLM meltdown there. Plummeting applications and matriculations. Closed dorms. Layoffs. All because the administration went SJW crazy."
The difference is Mizzou is a blue dot in a red state. Oregon is liberal.
It's going to get paid by the E & O policy of the university. If the plaintiff lawyer is smart he will pile on civil RICO counts. The plaintiff is going to need to net at least $2.mm after legal and taxes. I figure that is what he is going to need since after being a " trouble maker" in prog world he is now permanently unemployable in his profession. Between a job at wherever non university placement he can get and the income the $2.mm would net invested he will sort of be revenue wise where he was at with the university. Of course insurance companies will watch with great interest and make the appropriate language changes in their policies. For the next time.
Cubanbob. WRT E&O. These policies have a deductible. And the renewal premium will go up, particularly if the guys who did this stuff--which is to say the admin and their immediate stooges, I mean subordinates, remain in their current jobs. That would mean they're ready to do it again. It would be like a commercial insurer, after having paid for a fire at a factory, inspects the place for the renewal and discovers open containers of flammable liquid around. At best, the same company will renew at much higher rates and those are likely to be the rule for years.
So,could not the settlement include finding individuals also responsible?
Can't a settlement include individuals being removed from their positions, even if rules require giving them a position of equal pay but no authority in areas like that of their screw ups?
A million or four here or there gets a bit of press and may sting a bit. But a few of the loonies losing positions of authority sends a MUCH bigger message.
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It seems a bit rich to ding the poor taxpayers for the misbehavior of a large number of charity cases being provided near-free educations.
Its like suing the people who drop dollars in hobos mugs, should said hobos menace a social worker.
More of those "free thinking", "tolerant" and "open minded" lefties in action.
Why it's like the administration at Evergreen State has created--or at least allowed the existence of--a "hostile environment".
Allowing the existence of a "hostile environment" for women, gays, racial or ethnic minorities of one flavor or another has caused many a private employer to be found liable for discrimination and hit with a hefty jury verdict.
Now if this was Evergreen Widget Manufacturing Company, no one would blink an eye when the old Widgeteers got hit with a $3.8 million jury award.
It seems a bit rich to ding the poor taxpayers for the misbehavior of a large number of charity cases being provided near-free educations.
What other way is there to bring a stop to this nonsense? The universities have been unwilling to do so on their own.
I hope he wins.
"What other way is there to bring a stop to this nonsense? The universities have been unwilling to do so on their own."
The guilty parties, that is the administrators and the board supposedly in charge of that asylum, will not suffer from this. They have impunity, its not their money.
Can I be on the jury? Please, please, PLEASE???
And can we assess RICO damages against the students photographed carrying baseball bats?
Evergreen can cut the grievance studies budget by 3.8 million to pay the professor. Win/win
Who the [blank] would ever go to Evergreen State College? Were admission standards too high at West Texas junior college?
I would be nice if he won. Maybe the State of Washington would decide to rein in Evergreen.
"I would be nice if he won. Maybe the State of Washington would decide to rein in Evergreen. "
The people making the decisions are not the people supplying the money.
All of this is other peoples money.
"Evergreen can cut the grievance studies budget by 3.8 million to pay the professor. "
Washington state, especially western Washington, is the culprit. The eastern 2/3 of the state wanted to secede 50 years ago.
"Who the [blank] would ever go to Evergreen State College? Were admission standards too high at West Texas junior college?"
Just like Mizzou, after the BLM meltdown there. Plummeting applications and matriculations. Closed dorms. Layoffs. All because the administration went SJW crazy.
When colleges start paying off these big lawsuits, only then will they decide to reign in their grievance tyrants.
I don't blame him. He will probably be unemployable as a professor, given the enormous biases he will face from hiring committees.
He will be ostracized if he remains at Evergreen.
The state doesn't have to fund this. The smart reaction would be both a funding and tuition freeze so the school administration has to decide how to make up the difference.
Look at what they're funding now:
More Evergreen Lunacy
The supreme irony in this particular case is that this isn't some rightwing conservative professor...this is a Bernie bro being run out of town.
The taxpayers allowed this.
@buwaya: "All of this is other peoples money." Not to get all argumentative with a kindred spirit, but: it's always other people's money. No one, no one in the MSM anyway, ever says of big judgments agains police or schools: "wait, let's don't do that, it's other people's money." Nor does anyone, well, hardly anyone, ever say, wait, let's not expand Medicaid to people making $80K, it's other people's money. At least in Weinstein's case we might get a message and some entertainment out of it.
Sebastian said...
@buwaya: "All of this is other peoples money." Not to get all argumentative with a kindred spirit, but: it's always other people's money.
Yes. He was saying, in essence, "Never sue the government. Let gov't employees get away with anything." The responsible people won't suffer as much as they should, but they'll suffer a bit, and there should be some deterrent effect to the institutions.
Arresting and imprisoning people is "other people's money" too.
May we should stop doing that.
No "lawsuit I hope will fail" tag. Good for you.
The university system is just a slush fund paying for grievance majors to run around and deprive people of freedom and civil rights.
Notice the leftists on this site who tacitly endorse this activism. They are not good people.
All this takes is a little adult supervision from the state houses and education regents and these warmed over commies will go back into hiding like they usually do. They just got a little carried away mocking the normals the last 8 years.
I hope this is one of those cases where the jury asks the judge if they can award MORE than the plaintiff asked for.
It's always disappointing to see a case that really ought to be about free speech end in a lawsuit. Instead of everybody joining together and learning a valuable lesson, everybody's going to troop down to the courthouse and somebody's going to get ordered to comply.
Not taking sides on the lawsuit, by the way. It's quite plausible to me that the level of vilification and intimidation the guy was subjected to rises to the level of a tort. I'm just disappointed that the better angels of our nature didn't win out.
Jason said...
The taxpayers allowed this.
7/25/17, 7:52 PM
Yep. More suits like this one, if successful, might induce the people of Oregon to do something about the lack of free speech on campus.
Look at what they're funding now:
More Evergreen Lunacy
Watching that clown in the tracksuit with her profanity and the stupid dog under her arm just makes me sad. That is not the behavior or presentation of someone who is emotionally, intellectually or spiritually healthy.
"Just like Mizzou, after the BLM meltdown there. Plummeting applications and matriculations. Closed dorms. Layoffs. All because the administration went SJW crazy."
The difference is Mizzou is a blue dot in a red state. Oregon is liberal.
exiled: ESC is in Olympia, Washington, not Oregon
but your point stands :)
It's going to get paid by the E & O policy of the university. If the plaintiff lawyer is smart he will pile on civil RICO counts. The plaintiff is going to need to net at least $2.mm after legal and taxes. I figure that is what he is going to need since after being a " trouble maker" in prog world he is now permanently unemployable in his profession. Between a job at wherever non university placement he can get and the income the $2.mm would net invested he will sort of be revenue wise where he was at with the university. Of course insurance companies will watch with great interest and make the appropriate language changes in their policies. For the next time.
Oregon is liberal.
Yes, and more to the point, so is Washington.
I hope this commie really sticks it to those other commies.
Saw the bloggingheads segment with Glenn Loury.If Weinstein can prove it the College deserves to be financially crippled.
Always press charges, always prosecute.
Cubanbob. WRT E&O. These policies have a deductible. And the renewal premium will go up, particularly if the guys who did this stuff--which is to say the admin and their immediate stooges, I mean subordinates, remain in their current jobs. That would mean they're ready to do it again. It would be like a commercial insurer, after having paid for a fire at a factory, inspects the place for the renewal and discovers open containers of flammable liquid around.
At best, the same company will renew at much higher rates and those are likely to be the rule for years.
"Maybe the State of Washington would decide to rein in Evergreen."
They don't need a lawsuit to do that.
So,could not the settlement include finding individuals also responsible?
Can't a settlement include individuals being removed from their positions, even if rules require giving them a position of equal pay but no authority in areas like that of their screw ups?
A million or four here or there gets a bit of press and may sting a bit. But a few of the loonies losing positions of authority sends a MUCH bigger message.
No "lawsuits I hope will win" tag. Guess there's not a lawsuit yet.
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