ADDED: Here's a tweet from Chuck Todd:
Hope most folks realize we have a toxic political culture and that attempting to exploit today for political gain will only poison us more— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) June 14, 2017
Meanwhile... what do we know about James Hodgkinson, 66, of Belleville, Ill.? I suspect there are a number of people with that name, but here's a Facebook page, with a Bernie Sanders image as the profile picture:
AND: Another screen grab from the Facebook page:
ALSO: More from the Facebook page:
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Thank you sunsong.
Yesterday when I was imagining Soviet Man interviewing Senator Sessions for his crimes against the Deep Soviet State, I could not have imagined how prescient it would have been.
And yet today we have Leftists applauding violence in many quarters, and hoping for a Congressman's death via assassination.
Things are getting quite interesting in a way I do not prefer.
"The office of Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.) said they received a “disturbing” email with the subject line “One down, 216 to go…” following the shooting.
The person who sent the email began by asking, ”Did you NOT expect this?"
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance."
Sunsong, as others have, I applaud your remarks. I'd like to think that when we disagree--even strongly and using strong words--we would stop short of acts of violence and still respect each other as people. God bless!
Chuck Todd, he should know about toxic political environments. He works where they create them
Big Mike wrote: ...but stories About M16 jamming had been trickling out of Vietnam for years already
The reason M16s jammed in the early phase of it combat deployment was due to four decisions: one made by McNamara, two by the Ordnance Department of the US Army, and one by some nameless idiot at Ft. Benning who wrote a briefing memo for the recruit training staff.
Robert McNamara rejected Armalite's original chrome lining specification for the M16's chamber and bore as a cost-cutting measure, saving $8 per rifle.
Without testing, Ordnance changed the specs of the 5.56x45mm cartridge, substituting ball powder (normally used in the 7.62x51mm NATO round) for "stick powder" as stipulated by Olin Corporation. Ordnance also neglected to issue cleaning kits with the M16
Trusting the Ordnance Department instructor sergeants at Ft. Benning and other posts told trainees that the M16 had no cleaning kits because it was a"self-cleaning" rifle.
Watch these vids: AKM Mud Test and AR-15 Mud Test
"Today in the white house, we have perhaps the worst and most dangerous president in American History."
"and also not to be forgotten, we have extreme right wing leadership in the house and the senate."
Bernie Fucking Sanders. June 12th. TWO DAYS AGO. At the PEOPLES SUMMIT. Everyone who attended that meeting cheered this crap.
Bernie Sanders should resign. The shooter was a Sanders campaign aide. He should be investigated and if his political organization shows a pattern of incitement they should all be thrown in jail.
The DNC and the Clinton campaign were caught hiring people to incite violence at Trump rallies. There are dozens of examples of violence occurring.
This is not a lone wolf. This is a sizable chunk of the democrat party who cheer this on with thinly worded denunciations when it happens.
mockturtle said...
Sunsong, as others have, I applaud your remarks. I'd like to think that when we disagree--even strongly and using strong words--we would stop short of acts of violence and still respect each other as people. God bless!
People are getting ahead of themselves. Until sunsong denounces Bernie Sanders and the rest of the democrat party which has been clearly implicated in inciting violence it is only words.
Quaestor recalls: Robert McNamara rejected Armalite's original chrome lining specification for the M16's chamber and bore as a cost-cutting measure, saving $8 per rifle.
Oh, yes. Mr. bean-counting statistical control officer cum Defense Secretary. He was a real gem.
Who wouldn't want to go back in time and strangle Marx in his crib? Think of the millions of lives that would be saved.
Marxists are monsters and deserve to be punched in the face.
Bernie Sanders is Marxist scum.
...Good. Goose. Gander. Just sayin.
So the new rule is that we can now murder Democrats over policy differences. Good to know.
People are getting ahead of themselves. Until sunsong denounces Bernie Sanders and the rest of the democrat party which has been clearly implicated in inciting violence it is only words.
Achilles, sunsong made an admission that someone on her 'side' was guilty of unprovoked violence. And, although I don't care for Bernie Sanders, I don't blame him for the attack. The toxic environment that Chuck Todd bleats about is more media-driven than politically driven, IMO. Bernie only called Trump 'dangerous', he didn't suggest he be beheaded.
Where does the head of Planned Parenthood live?
What time does Rachel Maddow arrive at MSNBC studios?
Does Nancy Pelosi have any children?
Where does Chelsea's husband work?
Asking for a friend. Thanks.
"It's the shit sandwich you and yours have long prepared and now it's on your plate."
I know it would appeal to your apparent appetite for melodrama to have me bust out in a "mea culpa" as you call it, but actually I take the responsibility for my own actions, and let others take the responsibility for theirs.
No wonder why Bernie said what he did. He's busted.
Achilles, Bay Area Guy, Fen, exiledonmainstreet;
Thanks for your supportive comments. I really appreciate each one of them...
In my view, these are challenging times (they may seem wonderful from where you sit.)
I want to 'calm down' :-) . There are plenty of left wing nut cases, sadly. We are all flawed in some way or other as humans (not meant as an excuse for behavior).
Again, I am so, truly sorry that some bastard Bernie supporter tried to kill who knows how many people BECAUSE they were republicans. Good God. It's reprehensible! To cause such suffering and create such fear for what?
My prayers are with Congressman Steve Scalise and his family and loved ones, and the other four (two cops who were amazing and brave as hell ~ bless them) who were injured and their families and loved ones.
Anyone who reads my comments knows I don't traffic in violence or violent people of any side. But I know the new narrative is to paint your opponents that way regardless of the truth. "Let God sort it out" and all.
@Quaestor, I understand that there was also an issue with the buffer tubes on the early M16s. Bottom line, they were rushed into combat without adequate testing and no provision to revert to the M14 or M1 carbine (the latter had been successfully used in jungle combat in WWII in the Pacific) in case of problems.
Brookzene, so you think you don't paint with the broadest of brushes?
You don't have a side? You are alone in the universe? An island, are you?
Again, I expect nothing of you, and am not disappointed.
sunsong said...
"Bernie promotes peace."
I agree. And I supported Bernie in the Democratic Party primaries.
But be honest — the well of anger, frustration, and anti-establishmentism Bernie Sanders tapped into is just like the one Donald Trump tapped into.
mockturtle said...
Achilles, sunsong made an admission that someone on her 'side' was guilty of unprovoked violence. And, although I don't care for Bernie Sanders, I don't blame him for the attack. The toxic environment that Chuck Todd bleats about is more media-driven than politically driven, IMO. Bernie only called Trump 'dangerous', he didn't suggest he be beheaded.
Bernie is a marxist. Some fun quotes:
You may recall way back in, what was it, 1961, they invaded Cuba. And everybody was totally convinced that Castro was the worst guy in the world, that all the Cuban people were going to rise up in rebellion against Fidel Castro. They had forgotten that he had educated their kids, given them healthcare, totally transformed their society.
In response to venezuela:
""You know, it's funny. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is when people are lining up for food. That's a good thing. In other countries, people don't line up for food. The rich get the food and the poor starve to death," Sanders lamented at the time."
Blogger Brookzene said...
"I wonder what you think you are accomplishing with the attempted humor."
"That's not humor. I'm pointing out that that's really an unAmerican remark, that people with a certain political disposition in our country should not be entitled to their Second Amendments. That's not America, is it? Democratic Socialists shouldn't be allowed to have guns? What do you think?"
Sure. Why not. Since the people you align yourself with tend to be prone to violent lashing out I wouldn't recommend that they, or you for that matter, obtain firearms. However. Since the right to self defense is inherent to all individuals I would be loath to make a blanket decree. If you are going to own a firearm and become a member of the great unorganized militia I would suggest you learn how to use it responsibly.
And learn how to aim.
BROOKZENE: Anyone who reads my comments knows I don't traffic in violence or violent people of any side. But I know the new narrative is to paint your opponents that way regardless of the truth.
BAD LIEUTENANT: Brookzene, so you think you don't paint with the broadest of brushes?
There are plenty of concrete, real life examples of what I said right here in this thread, Bad Lieutenant.
"Sure. Why not. Since the people you align yourself with tend to be prone to violent lashing out I wouldn't recommend that they, or you for that matter, obtain firearms."
Well I wouldn't recommend necessarily you or some other people on this thread obtain or maintain their firearms either, but that's a different thing than Questor was advocating for, isn't it? I mean you can read.
"Anyone who reads my comments knows"
Anyone who reads the posts created by your current short-lived identity knows that, to paraphrase Napoleon on Talleyrand:
Tenez, Monsieur, vous n'êtes que de la merde dans un bas de rayonne.
But I know the new narrative is to paint your opponents that way regardless of the truth.
Well, Brookie, when I recollect that protestors at Trump rallies would attack any individual they caught alone, when I recollect the violence of the people who supplemented the non-violent anti-Trump demonstrators during the inauguration with burning limos and broken windows, when I look at Evergreen State and Middlebury, when I see leading Democrats and their buddy Bernie using violent imagery in their speeches, I think the truth is not hard to find and if the paint feels funny as it dries on you, well you should have thought about that before.
Meade,
I agree. And I supported Bernie in the Democratic Party primaries.
But be honest — the well of anger, frustration, and anti-establishmentism Bernie Sanders tapped into is just like the one Donald Trump tapped into.
Yeah, I think Trump was savvy enough to see what he might 'co-opt- from Bernie :-). [or anybody] There ARE "forgotten people. And that is, to me, a disgrace. I'm still not getting why folks here are so knee-jerk against justice?
There are plenty of concrete, real life examples of what I said right here in this thread, Bad Lieutenant.
6/14/17, 4:21 PM
You're not getting it.
Today is not your day to make accusations and criticisms of others.
Today is your day in the barrel.
Sunsong, as others have, I applaud your remarks.
+1.
"I think the truth is not hard to find and if the paint feels funny as it dries on you, well you should have thought about that before."
More of the Burn the Witch thinking. One size fits any group.
I agree. And I supported Bernie in the Democratic Party primaries.
Whoops.
More of the Burn the Witch thinking. One size fits any group.
6/14/17, 4:28 PM
'Elp! 'Elp! I'm bein' oppressed! Come see the violence in'erent in the system!
De la Légion étrangère, Bad Lieutennant?
sofa King, mockturttle,
Thank you for your comments. I do appreciate them. I agree with knowing the line you won't cross. [ And it varies between so many people :-) ] 'But we are all people.'
Sorry we are being brought together under such previously unfathomable circumstances.
Bullshit Brookie. In 24 hours you'll be othering conservatives and enabling violence from liberals. Go fuck yourself.
Today is your day in the barrel.
This event doesn't allow you or anyone else to really paint with a broad brush and say that this is an act of violence by Dems, or by Bernie Sanders supporters, or by old white men, or left-handers born in Oregon, or by black people who listen to Bob Dylan music.
Fuck it. Violent people are responsible for themselves. In fact we're all responsible for ourselves. I may choose to accept responsibility for someone other than myself (I do it all the time) but you don't get to make me responsible for anyone else.
Kind of figured when the pressure built up sufficiently we'd find out what kind of special snowflakes some of you so-called conservatives really are underneath.
Kevin said...
De la Légion étrangère, Bad Lieutennant?
Je travaille pour un fonds de couverture.
@sunsong, I'm not as nice as the others (you may have noticed). My read on you is that you looked into the abyss, and didn't like what you saw. Back in the day someone more clever than I characterized it as "the abyss looked back." That's one step, but only one, in the right direction. Tolerance has to be worked at every day of the rest of your life, not just when something shocking brings home its importance.
"'Elp! 'Elp! I'm bein' oppressed! Come see the violence in'erent in the system!"
I'm just sayin'. And it ain't the violence in the system that necessarily worries me. It's the violence in'erent in you-know-who.
There's a lot of burn the with talk in here. Deal with it.
That's just who some of you are. Why deny? It's right there.
This event doesn't allow you or anyone else to really paint with a broad brush
What else do you do in life but "paint with a broad brush"? Everything from you is grenades.
There are times when you should play defense. This has been one of them.
"Yeah, I think Trump was savvy enough to see what he might 'co-opt- from Bernie :-)."
And yet it was Hillary (yes, crooked globalist neocon third-way Hillary) who in fact was able to co-opt what was left of Bernie at the Dem convention. Demoralizing, disheartening, and disgusting. Bernie supporters who ended up casting votes for Clinton would be wise to do a little self-reflection before marching off to their next "Our Revolution".
I am going into a new work environment. I am having a conversation with the recruiter doing paper work. The election came up.
Me: "I am voting for Trump."
Them: "Me too. But you better keep that quiet around here."
Why would someone say something like that? The entire leftist movement is based on violence and suppression.
"Of all the persons who murdered a President of the United States, or made a serious attempt to so — by that I mean fired a gun at, or wounded, or as in the case of Samuel Byck attempted to hijack an airplane to use a weapon of assassination — each was either certifiably mad or left-of-center. NO EXCEPTIONS."
What about JW Booth, who feared that Lincoln's policies would keep American from being an all-white country. To quote:
"This country was formed for the white, not for the black man. And looking upon African Slavery from the same stand-point held by the noble framers of our constitution. I for one, have ever considered if one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us,) that God has ever bestowed upon a favored nation. Witness heretofore our wealth and power"
Not really a left-of-center view. And he was quite sane.
Chuck Todd tomorrow: Republicans Overreach..."
National civility bullshit.
People shouldn't exploit things like this for political gain, but professional Leftist Media exploiters are exactly the wrong people to make that plea.
"There are times when you should play defense. This has been one of them."
I'm a very moderate just-left-of-center Democrat. Some decades I go independent. I don't have to defend myself because of what some maniac does. If I'm out there advocating violence against conservatives or Trumpists or other groups, sure you got an argument. But I'm not. All you got is self-righteous animosity towards apparently anyone on the left who has a different opinion than you do.
We got off-topic in this thread somewhat but it's easy to see where I come from from my earliest posts in here. I'm with people of any political side who reject violence.
I am relatively certain the point people are trying to make is that the Leftists have created, fostered and nurtured an environment in which this sort of behavior - by Leftists - is not only predictable but also inevitable.
I made the point in the earlier thread, repeatedly, that if it is ok to punch a Nazi then it is ok to kill and Nazi and every Republican is a Nazi by acclimation of the Leftists. This is inarguable. This is where the Leftists have driven themselves.
The whole point is the exercise of raw power of the other. The other is less than. The other is created all the time with all the charges of -ist that and -phobia the other. Some of us have been saying and writing these things for as long as we could think clearly about the history of the Left.
During the whole punch a Nazi discussion many of us were saying these things. George Orwell, as much a member of the Leftist firmament as has ever walked the earth, wrote "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" as a warning to his fellow Leftists about who they were, at core.
Now, some of you have taken it for granted that the Right will yield and give ground at every offense. But that is no longer true, if ever it were. Now that government power is wielded more recklessly and more broadly than ever before, those of us who moved away from the Left's bastions and found peace in the hinterlands recognize that the power the Left wants can never be enough. C.S. Lewis called it right on the nose.
But I doubt you'll listen.
I think the people who reject violence should work together regardless of party.
An argument that John Wilkes Booth, who shot a Republican president, was not a member in good standing of the Democrat Party.
Ignorance is a powerful force.
Brookzene: "This event doesn't allow you or anyone else to really paint with a broad brush and say that this is an act of violence by Dems, .."
That moment when you realize your own teams rules aren't fun when applied equally to both sides.
I like it when Leftists refuse to take credit for their own views. After all, only 10% of Leftists want to punch a Nazi.
It's just that 80% of the Leftists want another Leftist to punch a Nazi.
After all, we're all -ist and -phobic and lower than.
College campuses are having a systemic problem with leftists running around beating people they disagree with. This shooting was not an isolated incident.
Lets just post the top comments from the NYT article right here where almost all of you leftist fucks agree Scalise deserved it:
"I condemn this violence unreservedly. But as GOP members bemoan their inability to go about a sacred America ritual without fearing for their lives, I must point out that the vast majority of Americans cannot now go to bed, or get up in the morning, or go to work without the threat of GOP cruelty hanging over them. My Medicare! My Social Security! My country once more to be dragged into a war of political and profiteering convenience! Let's have some proportionality here! And let's have some civilized gun safety laws."
"I was a student at Virginia Tech on April 16, 2007. I was on campus the day a Graduate Teaching Assistant was shot at Purdue University.
I am deeply sorry to hear of this most recent shooting. May we have sensible gun control reform now, please?"
"My thoughts and best wishes go to all injured.
Congressman Scalise, let something good come out of this tragedy. Let your Website, instead of "Congressman Scalise's pro-gun stance has earned him an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association, say "Congressman Scalise's anti-gun stance earned him an F rating from National Rifle Association.'"
"some guy was enjoying his second amendment rights AND multiple trained men with guns were NOT able to stop a guy with a gun..."
"That moment when you realize your own teams rules "
My rules are always the same and don't change according to inconvenient circumstances. And my rules are just that: MY rules. Not someone else's. You should try living accordingly.
Achilles startles us with the news that Bernie is a marxist.
Wow! Next thing you'll be telling me that carnival games are rigged! Yes, he is a foul Marxist and I am vehemently opposed to Marxism in all forms. But, unless he shoots first, I don't have the right to shoot him.
It was stupid to blame Palin for the shooting that injured Giffords. It would be almost as stupid to blame Bernie for this shooting.
Don't be stupid.
Hey guys. Pay attention. A Leftist has just defended itself by claiming to be an atomistic actor responsible only for its own actions. This may be a first.
Collectivism? What the hell is that? Am I right, Leftists?
steve uhr said...
What about JW Booth, who feared that Lincoln's policies would keep American from being an all-white country. To quote:
You mean the democrat JW Booth?
"This country was formed for the white, not for the black man. And looking upon African Slavery from the same stand-point held by the noble framers of our constitution. I for one, have ever considered if one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us,) that God has ever bestowed upon a favored nation. Witness heretofore our wealth and power"
The confederates were democrats and progressive. They spent the next 100 year writing and enforcing Jim Crow laws. Democrats.
Not really a left-of-center view. And he was quite sane.
Look at all of the people proposing and enforcing racist policies now. All very much left of center. Always have been always will be.
HoodlumDoodlum,
You are free to unilaterally disarm in this fight.
As for Sunsong's first comment, I salute those of you who have thought it sincere, but I'm not buying. I've read Sunsong when the mask slips. I think you have too. I believe that represents the authentic Sunsong. Today is the pose. No different than all the others who suddenly profess to abhor violence when their side of the spectrum commits an act that can't be explained away. Sunsong's comment acknowledges the Bernie connection without taking responsibility for it. Eerily like the claim that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism because Islamic terrorists don't represent authentic Islam.
My first thought here was "sobering." I know there are people on both (or all) sides politically who reject this kind of hatred and violence that this guy represents. I think a lot of them are quiet about it. But those people I stand with.
Here's what I think is happening. People seem today to equate violent words with violent action. It's the same puerile thinking that puts 'verbal abuse' on the level with physical abuse. Whatever happened to 'sticks and stones....'? While most of us would like to hear more civilized discourse, it has been a fact of history that people call each other vile names and say nasty things about them but usually--thank God!--stop short of killing them or beating them over the head. Have we become so sensitive to words that they strike us as soundly as would a two-by-four? Grow up, people!
mockturtle said...
Achilles startles us with the news that Bernie is a marxist.
Wow! Next thing you'll be telling me that carnival games are rigged! Yes, he is a foul Marxist and I am vehemently opposed to Marxism in all forms. But, unless he shoots first, I don't have the right to shoot him.
This attack is the logical result of his actions.
He has repeatedly said large numbers of people will die because of republican policies. He has repeatedly called his political opponents extremists. He has repeatedly called for the necessarily violent confiscation of wealth.
If that isn't enough he admits he is a part of a political movement that has used the same rhetoric and tactics dozens of times throughout history and has resulted in millions of deaths and the systematic repression of political enemies.
Tell me how Bernie's rhetoric describing republicans is any different than Hitler's rhetoric describing Jews? Same movement same tactics.
mockturtle said...
Here's what I think is happening. People seem today to equate violent words with violent action. It's the same puerile thinking that puts 'verbal abuse' on the level with physical abuse. Whatever happened to 'sticks and stones....'? While most of us would like to hear more civilized discourse, it has been a fact of history that people call each other vile names and say nasty things about them but usually--thank God!--stop short of killing them or beating them over the head. Have we become so sensitive to words that they strike us as soundly as would a two-by-four? Grow up, people!
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
You made me smile, Birkel. It's not easy to describe me as "disarmed!"
For the record, I have few problems using Leftist tactics against the Left where appropriate. Excoriate Lynch for her "blood in the streets" comments. Point out Media complicity in violence--by implicitly supporting political violence the Media has made itself partially responsible for violent outcomes,and we shouldn't let them forget it.
But. We can still be smarter than the Left. We can be smarter in our arguments and we can be smart enough to choose targets and tactics that could help win over the center/non-Right.
It's FUN to throw the Left's hypocrisy back in their faces, which is what blaming Bernie (as the Left blamed Palin) is all about. It's fun but it's not smart. I want you to be effective in (non-violently) fighting the Media and fighting the Left, Birkel, and I think you will be more effective if you act in smart ways.
Achilles, what you say of Bernie's rhetoric is true. It's what I expect from the political opposition. What I don't expect is for the MSM to use the same--even more provocative--rhetoric do discredit a freely elected President. IMO, they are more culpable than Sanders.
HoodlumDoodlum,
There are many roles to be played. Some people do well in certain roles but Peter Principle themselves right out of usefulness.
Query this: If somebody punches another in the face, is the punched person in a fight? Does it matter if the punched person fights back as to whether they are in a fight?
I am not telling you not to punch back, Birkel. I am not Jonah Goldberg or David French or Jennifer Rubin or David Brooks. I know we're in a fight and I want to win.
I am not telling you not to punch back. I am telling you to duck, to slip, to strike hard, and to knock the assholes out (metaphorically, unless physically attacked!). I don't think blaming Bernie is smart nor effective--and I think it's not smart because it won't be effective.
"But unless he shoots first -"
No one ever died from reading Der Sterner, but the culture it served caysed 6 million Jews to Fri dead - George Will
Words have power, as evidenced by the Republican Congressman currently fighting for his life in the ICU.
The centrists don't care. I will wagerbthat 90% of them haven't flipped on the news today and haven't the faintest idea anything happened today. They are busy shuttling Johnny to soccer practice and trimming the hedges.
I forget the name, Bridget?, giving thst beautiful response that "the peaceful majority is irrelevant"
I'm not willing to sit on my hands while my people are murdered over the hope that the moderate centrists will flock to my side.
Remember, only a third of Americans supported the revolution against Britain. And of those supporters, only a third actively participated. Even after the Boston Massacre.
I consider you an ally, I understand where you are coming from, I won't condemn you for it.
But I think you are wrong, and I don't think that waiting for the centrists is wise.
Drop dead, not Fri dead. But it kinda works. Poor George, mangled.
HoodlumDoodlum,
Others can take that under advisement. How many Democrats are off limits if that is the case?
What about all those CEOs, like AmEx's CEO, should we leave alone.
If the positions were reversed, how many on the Right would be left alone?
Unless your answers are similar, then I can think of a reason the Left wins with its one way ratchet.
And I understand full well that we are talking tactics not goals.
HoodlumDoodlum said...
I am not telling you not to punch back. I am telling you to duck, to slip, to strike hard, and to knock the assholes out (metaphorically, unless physically attacked!). I don't think blaming Bernie is smart nor effective--and I think it's not smart because it won't be effective.
Bernie wants to take everything I have and make me a slave to the state.
Fen offers a quote: No one ever died from reading Der Sterner, but the culture it served caysed 6 million Jews to Fri dead - George Will
OTOH, George Will is full of shit. :-)
Birkel, Achilles, friends, countrymen, hear me: I am not advising against attacking Bernie! Go after Bernie, go after the Left, go after Leftist-supporting big business-people.
All I am saying is because I want you to succeed I want you to use methods that I think will succeed; smart arguments and smart tactics are, I think, more likely to succeed, so use smart arguments.
"Bernie is responsible for this shooting just like Palin was responsible for the Tuscon shooting" is not a smart argument. It is not smart because Palin was not responsible for the Tuscon shooting. You will not convince people Bernie is evil with that argument. (Marxism, if course, is evil.)
The Scott Adams line in the Professors latest post is a smart line.
Anyway, good luck.
I am arguing that only pain will cause the flatworms of the Left to turn away.
They have declared as much through their words and actions so that any mechanism to inflict that pain should be considered. We do not show ourselves better if we yield on any point.
The Left would firebomb we who live in Dresden.
"@Bruce Hayden, I read that the shooter used an M4 (probably not the real M4, more likely an AR with a 16" barrel, which is shortest legal barrel length without going through extra background checks). Where did you read that his weapon was an AK?"
From CNN: (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/alexandria-virginia-shooting/index.html):
"Traces are still being done on the two firearms recovered at the scene -- an SKS rifle 7.62 (which is a Chinese-made AK variant) and a 9 mm pistol, a law enforcement source tells CNN."
Tactics I use: Boycott MSM as well as their sponsors when at all possible. Boycott Hollywood by not going to movies or buying DVDs. Write my Congressional representatives as well as President Trump expressing my views. Most importantly, I do not let myself cower under name-calling tactics by the left. I'm not a racist, nor do I hate gays nor do I care if someone calls me a Nazi. They are the Nazis, the totalitarians, the dictators and the haters.
HodlumDoodlum said ...
All I am saying is because I want you to succeed I want you to use methods that I think will succeed; smart arguments and smart tactics are, I think, more likely to succeed, so use smart arguments.
Why make a "smart" argument when the truth serves us better?
Bernie Sanders treats his staff/employees like shit.
In pretty much every way Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit. The champion of the little people made a million dollars last year. Doing what exactly? The only reason he is not out there like Che or Fidel is because he is a coward too.
It is time to honestly describe these people. Everywhere they are they act as a group and they are suppressive and ridiculous. They want to take our stuff and say they will give it to other people. But they always end up just keeping it. Socialists are thugs and thieves and they are inherently violent. It is long past time to stop giving these people quarter.
Sunsong wrote;
" There ARE "forgotten people. And that is, to me, a disgrace."
Yes, there are. And many of those people voted for Trump (and some in the Midwest, voted for Obama and then voted for Trump because they realized the Democrats had forgotten them.)
" I'm still not getting why folks here are so knee-jerk against justice?"
I don't think any of us are against justice. Have you ever thought that others might have a different definition of "justice?" To me, justice does not mean taking money from one group of people and redistributing it to others who did not work for it. Justice means that everyone is equal in the eyes of God and in a court of law and there should not be favored groups. I was once a liberal. I stopped being one because I saw that many of the remedies applied by liberals to alleviate injustice in fact made the problem worse, like welfare programs which destroyed the black family and made it harder for people to climb out of dependency.
And I also saw that many of the people who claimed to be "compassionate" were more interested in expanding their own power at the expense of others.
I think ace is correct:
Now is not the time to start yelling "Rhetoric doesn't cause violence!" 1, it almost certainly does -- a society that condones thievery will see more thieving, after all -- and 2, we cannot continue living under the "Republican rhetoric only causes violence!" rule.
A bad rule is many times worse when it is only applied against a disfavored caste.
I would rather live under a regime in which a Bad Law was applied equally to everyone than a regime in which a Bad Law is only applied against me and my friends, family, and allies.
How will the left ever learn its "rules" are vicious if the right keeps White Knighting in order to spare them of its pain?
"some guy was enjoying his second amendment rights AND multiple trained men with guns were NOT able to stop a guy with a gun..."
Thank god someone was there with a gun to stop that asshole. He would have killed a dozen or more without those people with guns who stopped him.
"Virgil Hilts said...
I would like to see everything pivot to the capitol police who seem to have saved multiple lives despite (at least one of them) being shot. True heroes. I want to see their photos rather than any more of this lunatic.
6/14/17, 11:29 AM"
A thousand times this.
I *deplore* the way the media focuses on the evil killers in these situations -- serial killers and mass shooters become household names. We should be hearing about the heroes. Several of the congressmen seem to have acted heroically as well as the capitol police. Those are the stories that we should be talking about today.
Coming late to this thread but if I am reading it right it seems the progs are suggesting calm and non-violence. I am with Fen on this. When down they always cover their heads with their hands and ask you to stop pounding them. They "give" as we used to say. But they don't "give" they only recover, change shirts and start the same old thing as soon as they can. Back in those days there were those who let them up and those who pounded them long enough after their pleading that they never, ever, tried it again. We need to be one of those latter types.
Virgil Hilts suggests: Virgil Hilts said...
I would like to see everything pivot to the capitol police who seem to have saved multiple lives despite (at least one of them) being shot. True heroes. I want to see their photos rather than any more of this lunatic.
Yes. Me, too! But don't hold your breath. The media would like nothing better than a bunch of publicity-seeking copycats. Then Wolf Blitzer, et al, can put on their shocked, saddened faces while secretly salivating over THE BIG STORY they get to cover. Ad nauseam.
BTW I am now buying RGR. As are others.
Back in the late 60's-early 70's some of us were part of the radical left. We debated almost daily whether or not violence was ever warranted in the cause of the Revolution. The consensus was usually that is was OK if there was destruction of property but not harm to people. Of course, I deplore these ideas today but I know the radical mind and how it works--and how it justifies and rationalizes. This might be expected of naive, idealistic college kids but this perp was a middle-aged man. For this guy, no excuse.
BTW I am now buying RGR. As are others.
Good idea! It's climbing like a rocket.
I would really, really hate to see a Civil War. But if one comes, I will fight for Team Red in whatever capacity I can. But who would be our Grant or Sherman? I certainly don't trust any of the 'generals' around today. They seem to be tools of the Establishment as the rest of the Washington crowd.
And this: Can we fight Islamists and the Progs?
Sorry--I'm over-posting. :-\
Can we fight Islamists and the Progs?
It is beginning to appear that each has a religion bent on destroying non-believers. So, yes.
@Bruce Hayden, thank you, but something still doesn't add up. The SKS is actually a forerunner of the AK-47, being invented in 1943. It has an attached bayonet that folds back under the barrel, which makes the gun pretty distinctive, and it chambers the same round as the AK-47. But it doesn't have the curved magazine that you mentioned earlier -- the SKS has a box magazine that is loaded by a stripper clip.
I supposed we'll know more tomorrow, because I've seen the gun described as an M4 and as an AR-15, now AK and SKS are in the mix. The SKS is obsolete and Russia sold them in the United States as surplus for a song -- under $200 if I recollect correctly.
"I would really, really hate to see a Civil War. But if one comes, I will fight for Team Red in whatever capacity I can. But who would be our Grant or Sherman? I certainly don't trust any of the 'generals' around today. They seem to be tools of the Establishment as the rest of the Washington crowd.
And this: Can we fight Islamists and the "progs?"
You people have lost your ever lovin' minds.
Unless, of course, you're the one who's crazy and we're the ones who aren't.
Big Mike, I got my SKS years ago for $79.99, with bayonet, bandoleer, oiler and sling. Also got a case of ammo (1440 rounds if I remember right, packed on charger clips too). There are after market add on's for the SKS that make it look more AKish. One is a 30 round mag that replaces the 10 round original integral box at the front hinge plate. Never bothered with that myself, as my version was a ChiCom knock-off from Norinco, with one of those interesting stuck firing pin conditions which can cause the rifle to go into an almost full auto mode. Pop - pop - pop - brrraaaaappp with a blur of brass.
Inga said...
You people have lost your ever lovin' minds.
Says the party of Kathy Griffin and general admirer of Trump assassination porn.
Quaestor demands a vote of censure on Senator Bernard Sanders and his expulsion from that august body.
"Traces are still being done on the two firearms recovered at the scene -- an SKS rifle 7.62 (which is a Chinese-made AK variant) and a 9 mm pistol, a law enforcement source tells CNN."
The SKS is not an AK-47 variant.
All I know, is that the pathologists have the shooters brain in a jar now. Marked "Abnormal"...
""Traces are still being done on the two firearms recovered at the scene -- an SKS rifle 7.62 (which is a Chinese-made AK variant) and a 9 mm pistol, a law enforcement source tells CNN."
The SKS is not an AK-47 variant."
Just quoting CNN. We know that they would never lie to us, and esp about guns. 😉 ;-)
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance."
This is why Socialism, even the watered down, crony capitalist version in the USA, is an evil ideology. When the majority of people reject it via their elected representatives, Socialisms adherents think it's OK to kill them to keep it in place.
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