"This is what civic-level censorship looks like at a university with the largest and oldest public college for journalism."
ADDED: The protesting students are making many rudimentary PR mistakes here and could use some training in basic protest technique. They end up looking repressive and brutish, right in front of a camera, and they keep cranking up the intimidation. The photographer knows he's getting video that he'll be able to put up on the internet, and he's using a very effective technique of remaining calm and standing his ground in the face of what looks like scary intimidation. I have walked with a camera into big, passionate protests here in Wisconsin, and — with a few exceptions — the protesters were much better prepared to resist making the photographer seem like a sympathetic victim.
As for the First Amendment: The students and the photographers have free speech rights against the government, but not against each other. At 1:43, the photographer calmly cites the First Amendment, which, he says, gives all of them all "right to be here," in the public space, which is true. One of the black female protesters says "We do have our space as human beings," to which the photographer responds, emphasizing each word: "There's not a law about that." The woman then makes what I think is the most interesting statement in the video: "Forget a law. How about humanity? Respect?" He says, "How about documenting this for posterity?"
That's right where a good conversation could have begun. The law is not the beginning and end of how people treat each other. There is etiquette and there is respect. There is even love. As human beings, we want all of that. Please respect our space is an understandable request that a person should evaluate in ways that go beyond legal rights. The photographer did engage on that level when he offered a counter-value, documentation for posterity.
Unfortunately, that one-to-one conversation ended when another woman barged in and started yelling, precluding the development of the issues about photographing people who don't want to be photographed, and the crowd —which probably didn't notice the touching moment when Respect and Documentation stood face to face — got going with the old "Hey hey ho ho" chant format: "Hey hey ho ho/Reporters have got to go."
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Safe Space!
I wonder what happens if someone chooses not to leave when asked.
Why was it so important to not have the media there? What were they up to?
They didn't really "ask" media to leave. They pushed them away. They shouted them down. They blocked them. They body checked them.
You're responsible for this, Althouse. You and your tenured collegaues made this happen.
You've got a shinier, more clever way of presenting the spoiled brat ideology of the rotten tenured asshole, but that's just a facade.
You did this.
Tenure made a monster out of you. Your rotten asshole feminist religion is the vehicle. There is nothing to you that is not self-interested, ruthless and monstrous.
The crazies are you.
The irony (learned from instapundit) is that the student journalist Tim Tai, won an award for covering the Michael Brown case.
—Headline, University of Missouri School of Journalism Website, June 24, 2015. As the Website notes, Tai received a $1,500 scholarship for placement as one of the six finalists, and additional $1, 000 for “Best Single Photograph” in the competition, with a photo the site captioned, “Lesley McSpadden, the mother of Michael Brown, sheds a tear during a vigil for her son on Sunday, Aug. 10, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri. The vigil later turned into a march protesting Brown’s death. Photo: Timothy Tai.”
Tim may be the only Journalist left in the Journalism school.
The sad thing is that the usual DC media will probably back off #concernenstudent1950, at least the ones in the DNC's pocket.
Executive wishes
Just shut the place down and put the facilities up for bid. It doesn't serve any educational purpose to keep it open and it costs money that could be spent elsewhere.
I think every press person should be asking So you think Censorship is a good idea? Do not engage them in any other conversation except one about censorship. That's the only question that should be asked.
This is the face of fascism. Look hard. There will be more.
MayBee said...
Why was it so important to not have the media there? What were they up to?
I get your sarcasm, but the answer is that what they're doing has really really bad optics. Especially in political season.
Where is the quote from?
Horribly enough, the woman shouting for muscle is a media professor. Her twitter background picture said "Media is Love. Everyone is Welcome"
I look at that crowd and I see many people who do not deserve to be in college. What a waste of resources.
Chickelit- do you think just hanging out in the tents is bad optics?
"Why was it so important to not have the media there?"
I suspect they know that employers will have a copy of that video in a file "U of Missouri graduate."
Faces will be checked prior to interview.
That Yale student who created the uproar with the Halloween costume nonsense is busy scrubbing all her social media pages.
"The inmates have taken over the asylum."
The university president's resignation speech was about the most cringeworthy speech I have head in these United States of America.
OTOH, 45 - 50 years ago Mao's Red Guards made a lot of school administrators in China make similar speeches.
Pushed, blocked, shoved, and called for muscle to remove him.
From public property.
Chickelit- do you think just hanging out in the tents is bad optics?
Oh, is that all that they're doing there -- "hanging out?" Never mind then. Carry on. Nothing to see.
I fail to see the upside for the Democrat party in this. If I was a Democrat I would be wondering if the student leaders had been paid off by Republicans to make the party look bad.
Also, were are the regents? Cause if I'm a parent spending big bucks ($25,000+ annual instate including room and board and etc) I have to be thinking just how much education my child is actually getting.
And on Fox this morning they claimed that Mizzou has a prestigious journalism school!
They sound like bad cops. Not a peaceful gathering.
Also, I think the football coach is probably toast. If he had a winning record he might have gotten away with this, but as it is, I expect most of the football program's personnel to be replaced over the next couple of years with the idea that if students aren't showing up to practice then they are gone.
Nick Saban would never have let it get out of hand like this.
Oh, is that all that they're doing there -- "hanging out?" Never mind then. Carry on. Nothing to see.
Ha! Yes! They give themselves away.
They lost to Vanderbilt for God's sake.
MayBee said...
Horribly enough, the woman shouting for muscle is a media professor.
Yes, she revealed that she's undermining journalism with political activism and that she's pro-violence in one move.
Nothing surprising though.
Her twitter background picture said "Media is Love. Everyone is Welcome"
There are no enemies, only friends we haven't beaten into submission yet.
I repeat, this is Althouse's doing. She and her corrupt tenured colleagues in academia are responsible.
The willful idiot destruction of our great Christian patriarchy is at the root of this.
Althouse is responsible for this. She is an intensely destructive, rotten woman. Tenure freed her from any responsibility for her vile stupidity and destructive philosophy.
You only have to look at the creep show of her personal (not so personal) life to see the vile corruption freedom from responsibility for her actions and her evil philosophy produced.
The ruthless, rotten and nihilistic woman who writes this blog brought this destruction of our institutions and the demoralization of our children down on us.
The blame belongs right here. The villain is Althouse and her colleagues.
I want to work hard and pay really high taxes so the Hillary can take it all away from me to pay for this "Free College".
I like the young Asian man with the camera. I'd hire him in a heartbeat. As for the remaining students? I offer a resounding, "meh"
Thank God for vocational school.
Blogger bgates said...
Her twitter background picture said "Media is Love. Everyone is Welcome"
There are no enemies, only friends we haven't beaten into submission yet.
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hahahhahahaa!
This is a good thing. We're seeing deviant Leftism in its most distilled, ugly form. Shutting down speech, forcing people out of their jobs for only the vaguest and thinnist of offenses, absolute intolerance--the thugs are in full parade, and even left-leaning moderates are going to have to wonder how far this will go.
If the team's fans have any sense of decency, they'll boycott the football program over this. Make the school--and team, with its spoiled jocks--pay for their part in this. It's time for a reaction.
Ann, you say "They end up looking repressive and brutish". That is because they ARE repressive and brutish. The cameras are capturing their "true" selves. As I said yesterday, remember "Lord of the Flies" and I do think this is apt as there are no more adults in the room. The mob ate them first...
"I like the young Asian man with the camera. I'd hire him in a heartbeat. "
The only U of M journalism student with a job in journalism in five years. He got an award for reporting in the Brown case in Ferguson.
If the group just got a permit, well then they could say no media. Right?
They should be sprayed with a combination of: 3-Methyl-1-butajethiol; And,
(E) -2-butene-1-butanethiol.
Our space, in public, is just that, ours, both sides. I don't see a debate there, unless your a bully.
Ron Winkleheimer said...Cause if I'm a parent spending big bucks ($25,000+ annual instate including room and board and etc) I have to be thinking just how much education my child is actually getting.
UM has 35k students, 28k of which are undergrads. There are maybe 500 people involved and maybe 100 core activists. While this tiny few drive campus politics they are a minuscule cohort of students. Everyone else is going about their lives wondering why these people have no sense of perspective just like everyone else.
he touching moment when Respect and Documentation stood face to face
oh, geeze.
@Rick
Everyone else is going about their lives wondering why these people have no sense of perspective just like everyone else.
I would guess they would like to go about their lives, but the activists are doing their best to make sure that the other students will be "made to care."
"You're responsible for this, Althouse. You and your tenured collegaues made this happen."
I was around when Althouse's fellow baby boomers were rioting on campus in the sixies. We need a Sam Hayakawa for our current spoiled affluent liberal babies.
The woman who barged in and started yelling is a school administrator.
James Pawlak said...
They should be sprayed with a combination of: 3-Methyl-1-butajethiol; And,
(E) -2-butene-1-butanethiol.
The latter compound would be "trans" aggressive if you think about it.
"the touching moment when Respect and Documentation stood face to face
oh, geeze."
Liberals love to pretend that they want a dialogue, that was some dialogue at Yale.
What with cell phone cameras and such, they'd be better off letting the media be present because the media is certainly present......I too admire the doggedness of the Asian photographer. This is a resume enhancer. If that woman really is a journalism professor, she should be thoroughly trashed by journalists everywhere......It won't happen though. That other journalism professor, the one with her slanted description of "walking while black" was a one day story, and she will live out her days in the privilege of her victimhood. Probably get some kind of citizenship award.
Unfortunately, this is the next generation being educated that repression is good and freedom of speech should be mocked and punished.
Meet the new boss
Hey hey, ho ho, "reporters" doesn't scan.
I'd have suggested "reporters just have got to go" or "you press people have got to go".
"Also, I think the football coach is probably toast. If he had a winning record he might have gotten away with this, but as it is, I expect most of the football program's personnel to be replaced over the next couple of years with the idea that if students aren't showing up to practice then they are gone."
After he is eventually fired, he'll have to look to the NFL for future employment in football.
Ah, you who hide deep from the LORD your counsel, whose deeds are in the dark, and who say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?”
They don't seem to be getting much of an education. Temper tantrums. These children should not be permitted to vote.
I heard someone claimed someone yelled something out of a passing pickup once. Wow! No wonder they're pissed!
Melissa Click. This entire post works its way around mentioning the biggest hyperbolic hypocrite at the entire event. From the communication department, of course.
She is the face of University Professors everywhere. But who really gives a shit. The left created all this. The watering down of any type of real education on college campuses. The dishonest and untrustworthy media. Fuck Professors. Fuck the Media. You both deserve each other.
God help our kids.
This is the face of fascism. Look hard. There will be more.
OTOH, 45 - 50 years ago Mao's Red Guards made a lot of school administrators in China make similar speeches.
Academia went south during the sixties when the students first took over the campuses of America. The professors on those campuses promptly and self-righteously sided with the students. Those students and those that came later are now the current professors of our colleges. Since those years our students have been propagandized by the MSM, academia and the American intellectual class to believe the USA is a bad nation, rife with racism and misogyny under every stone. This “protest” is the logical result of decades of wallowing in America-hatred.
I’m sure many of the football players have professional aspirations. If I were a pro scout of the future I would think twice before drafting any of these particular college football players. Let them earn a living using their college degrees, if they ever get one.
Ron Winkleheimer said...
I would guess they would like to go about their lives, but the activists are doing their best to make sure that the other students will be "made to care."
They try but the other students still ignore them because their "best" is effectively meaningless. They end up screaming at the dorm's Master and blocking cars at the homecoming parade because they're infuriated their efforts are so worthless.
The impacts from these events are long term. More racial hiring means more taxes and more tuition. It means the activist leaders are likely to land themselves government or NGO jobs after they graduate. But it has effectively no impact on the day to day lives of anyone who doesn't choose to become involved.
I noticed that the reporter/photographer is a good head and shoulders taller than the intellectual midgets he's recording. If a film maker were making this stuff up, he or she would try for the same optics.
Life is good in that respect.
I have a Sophomore Daughter and a 7th Grade son. I don't know what to do. They need a degree. And they need and education after high school. I feel like if I send them to one of these psychotic institutions they'll be polluted.
You really have to pay money for your kids to attend classes taught by Melissa Click?
I don't know how that kid kept it together in the face of such stupidity.
What are they so afraid of? Why the need to intimidate? If there was really strength in their message then they'd have no problem with publicity.
All these kids with so little going on in their lives they need to be part of something. Who cares what it is, or whether it has merit, let's jump in because it feels good.
Pathetic really.
"I would think twice before drafting any of these particular college football players."
There is a whole record of pro prospects who flamed out spectacularly because of bad attitude. Scouts are well aware of this.
Nobody will talk about it, of course.
OMG, somebody just quoted Roger Waters in the comments. Talk about a freedom of speech turncoat.
Gusty Winds said...
You really have to pay money for your kids to attend classes taught by Melissa Click?
Ensure your kids choose a worthwhile major and they'll never even be in the same building as Click and others like her.
" I feel like if I send them to one of these psychotic institutions they'll be polluted."
My youngest graduated from U of Arizona two years ago and I was unhappy with some of her general ed classes and talked to the dean about it. I didn't know about Hillsdale then. Ion;t know how expensive it is but worth looking at. Beyond that, junior college if you have them nearby, and minimize the four year expensive experience. If the kid is an engineering major, I"m sure anywhere is fine.
I am reminded of Dear Leader accepting an award for transparency behind closed doors. It truly has become an Obamanation! Smiley must be so proud!
Assistant to the Dear Leader, Hands Biden also conducted transparency meetings without press coverage.
These acorns did not fall far from the tree.
I say we send Mr. T down for some facilitated conversation surrounding the 1st amendment.
The football coach caused the resignations of the two administrators but Althouse want to focus on the 'intimidating' wall of tiny blondes. To quote Drago, precious.
But it has effectively no impact on the day to day lives of anyone who doesn't choose to become involved.
Except now the students will be required to attend even more indoctrination sessions which will be called sensitivity training and the curriculum will be altered to conform to the activists demands. In addition, the day to day life of students will have to conform to whatever the activists deem acceptable. Which will be a narrow band of PC behavior which will be constantly shifting because these sorts of movements demand continual witch hunts to sustain momentum.
"Unfortunately, that one-to-one conversation ended when another woman barged in and started yelling, precluding the development of the issues about photographing people who don't want to be photographed"
A faculty member. Better than that, an untenured faculty member.
The woman then makes what I think is the most interesting statement in the video: "Forget a law. How about humanity? Respect?" He says, "How about documenting this for posterity?"
That's right where a good conversation could have begun. The law is not the beginning and end of how people treat each other.
Lol. There's nothing "interesting" about that woman's statement. It's an utter non sequitur. There is nothing in the reporter's behavior that is disrespectful or lacking in "humanity", so what does she mean? I think her meaning is obvious to anyone not driven by a need to turn this into something it manifestly is not.
The implication that the maker of the "interesting" statement was ready, willing, and able to put forth coherent and thoughtful views on civility and civic life, if only the reporter understood that the law is not the beginning and end of how we treat each other, is laughable.
What does it mean when someone who is not being treated disrespectfully tries to make everything all about their feelings of being disrespected? Unless one is very sheltered, it's a behavior whose "real meanings" most of us figure out pretty early on.
"Unfortunately, that one-to-one conversation ended when another woman barged in and started yelling,..."
Apparently our hostess is unaware of the identity of the woman who barged in. Professor Althouse also missed the "... we need some muscle over here..." quote fro this angry woman.
Instapundit posted on this nasty, radical feminist, MEDIA professor, Melissa Click.
I think it's time to take it to the next level - all faculty members and other employees at the University of Missouri should be required to sign a statement stating that they agree completely with #blacklivesmatter - both #blacklivesmatter's factual statements, and #blacklivesmatter's policy positions.
If they won't sign the agreement, they are racists, and have no place at the University of Missouri.
Anyone who doesn't believe that Michael Brown was a "gentle giant", and that he said "hands up, don't shoot" has no business teaching at an American university.
At my school there were harsh penalties for faculty engaged in threatening and intimidating behavior toward students.
Props to the young (tall) man with a camera. He's gutsy.
The reality of Click is she should be living in a van down by the river, or be known as the radical, idealistic lady at the NPR 'media lab' or be angling for activist foundation dough...the old-fashioned ways.
There's no sport in just sucking on the university teat...
Get out there out that lawn and hack all the j-students away from your safe space Little Big Horn!
This is it, Click! This is the quad to die on!
Blogger Rick said...
Gusty Winds said...
You really have to pay money for your kids to attend classes taught by Melissa Click?
Ensure your kids choose a worthwhile major and they'll never even be in the same building as Click and others like her
You can't always count on that. Many schools make these sort (SJW 101 Angry Studies) of classes mandatory, likely because they can't get enough students to enroll otherwise.
How about humanity? Respect?
What about it? You are engaged in a political protest in a public space. I really shouldn't need to say anything more than that. And so I won't.
Watching CNN, where a faculty member is explaining why the protests continue. The students feel unsafe, she says. They need big change.
They feel unsafe because some of them have been called the N word, and there are sometimes confederate flags. They need big changes so they can feel safe.
It seems the solution is big change. Big changes.
This is what they are fighting for.
Look at this complete bullshit from Dr. Melissa Click's curriculum vitae:
Dr. Melissa A. Click earned her Ph.D. from the Department of Communication at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Her research interests center on popular culture texts and audiences, particularly texts and audiences disdained in mainstream culture. Her work in this area is guided by audience studies, theories of gender and sexuality, and media literacy. Current research projects involve 50 Shades of Grey readers, the impact of social media in fans’ relationship with Lady Gaga, masculinity and male fans, messages about class and food in reality television programming, and messages about work in children's television programs. Melissa is Vice-Chair of ICA’s Popular Communication Division and is Chair of the committee hosting the Console-ing Passions conference at the University of Missouri in April 2014.
If Melissa Click who called for "muscle" to eject student journalist Tim Tai is an employee of MU, does Tim have a potential civil rights lawsuit against her and MU?
If so would that include the other MU employee, the blond wearing pearls.
There could be some political fallout for MU, both houses of the Mo legislature have a near Republican supermajority and it's an election year..
jackson jay- the barger-inner is another faculty member. She's in charge of greek life or something. Click is at the end of the video, yelling for muscle.
"That's right where a good conversation could have begun." R-i-i-i-ght . . .
That was the big mistake of the student photographer--trying to reason with people who do not want to discuss anything; they only want to be heard and obeyed.
That student photographer is the only person in this whole Mizzou race fiasco that has come out looking good. He should have a bright future ahead of him.
Wilbur's Law: The Hey, hey, ho, ho chant is incontrovertible evidence of someone not interested in persuading, but rather intimidating those within earshot.
It's difficult to imagine anything so lame and outdated.
Media professor =\= journalism professor.
Media studies tend to be flaky posting of issue advocacy on the Internet and essentially unrelated to journalism (while tightly related to women/ethnic/etc studies)
Can it be a coincidence this is all happening on the same day there are protests for $15/hour minimum wage? This happened last year with Eric Garner.
Come on, journalists. Tell us who bankrolls and organizes these movements. They are one and the same, I'm certain.
Ron Winkleheimer said...
Except now the students will be required to attend even more indoctrination sessions which will be called sensitivity training
Good. I went to college thinking I was a liberal and these programs showed me what "liberalism" really is. Show more students the crazy right off the bat and open their eyes. Academia's success in indoctrination is based on subtlety, as when professors teach from a perspective that assumes liberal values are better. But when they teach their perspective openly they cannot help but reveal their radicalism which naturally most students reject. Making liberalism more explicit is a positive outcome.
and the curriculum will be altered to conform to the activists demands.
Professor / activists can only control the curriculum where they teach the classes. Yes the humanities are ruined for students. But should any worthwhile department subject its students to the same their graduates become unemployable thus ruining their department. The faculty of those departments have too much invested to allow this, and for the most part these faculty are not activist warriors as the humanities faculty are.
the day to day life of students will have to conform to whatever the activists deem acceptable.
Activists don't have the power to do this. They cannot mandate you attend their protest, they can't make you read their stupid op eds. Institutions can be controlled, students cannot. And so our effort should be in opposing and weakening those institutions.
Scratch a liberal, find a crypto-fascist. Pretty simple really.
At my school there were harsh penalties for faculty engaged in threatening and intimidating behavior toward students.
And there should be here as well. This will be interesting to watch. Does Missouri protect its students from thuggish behavior from its professors?
Larry J said... You can't always count on that. Many schools make these sort (SJW 101 Angry Studies)of classes mandatory, likely because they can't get enough students to enroll otherwise.
Somehow I have to teach my kids going in that it is all bullshit. I knew it all the way through Grad School. Don't swallow the Kool-Aid. Get what you can. Learn to write well. Act your way through it. Learn the -ism speak, and just bat your eyes at how brilliant all your professors are.
They need to understand that professors and intellectuals you have NOTHING to do success later in life. Good Will Hunting was fiction.
Unless you plan to spend your life and career inside the bubble, you have to prepare for life outside of it. Preparing for life outside of college is where Universities are failing students the most.
Larry J said...
You can't always count on that. Many schools make these sort (SJW 101 Angry Studies) of classes mandatory,
My university was an early adopter of this requirement. The hate and insanity I witnessed in that class opened my eyes to the hatefulness of the left. Obviously you only want to dip a toe in the hate, not immerse yourself until you think it's normal.
the day to day life of students will have to conform to whatever the activists deem acceptable.
Activists don't have the power to do this.
Tell that to the kids in that fraternity at the UofV that were accused of sponsoring gang rapes. They had to leave their Frat House, which was vandalized. In addition, the students will learn pretty quickly that certain things simply cannot be said.
And, as mentioned up thread, grievance courses are now part of the core requirements while you can graduate from some colleges with an English major without ever having to take a single course on Shakespeare.
If you read the student's (and some sympathetic press and admin) twitter feeds, you easily see what the problem is.
They need a safe space because they don't trust the media. It has been used as an instrument of repression. So they can't trust their story to the media and therefore want to shut it out.
They assume those who had power before them wielded their power for the sake of power, and that's why they censored the press. They don't understand that those people, too, didn't trust the media. They, too, feared they would lose what they had if other people could critique them openly.
These students think they are different because their motives are different and their goals are desirable. But that's exactly what the powerful before them thought.
This is why talking about "white privilege" doesn't explain anything, and doesn't broaden the current activists understanding of what came before them. So they are doing the very thing they think they are fighting against.
Pushed, blocked, shoved, and called for muscle to remove him.
...by a journalism lecturer, no less.
And there should be here as well. This will be interesting to watch. Does Missouri protect its students from thuggish behavior from its professors?
Funny, isn't it? Considering the whole brouhaha is over students feeling "unsafe" on campus.
"...by a journalism lecturer, no less."
No, she is in the Communications department which is part of the College of Arts and Sciences. This is entirely separate from the School of Journalism. The reactions I have seen from the members of the Journalism School has been uniformly critical of the protesters in this regard.
Can't say I agree with Shouting Thomas' singling out of Althouse, but in general he is right. Liberal, emotionally-retarded professors have created this Frankenstein and now he is loose. Comparisons to the Red Guard are apropos. It is an ugly but fascinating adventure we are on.
"That's right where a good conversation could have begun"
You're so sweet in thinking about conversation, or interesting words to consider, or --. Then again, when the Red Guard wannabes are running loose, longing for "conversation" is just aiding and abetting their evil ways.
Pop hat: Safe spaces as shield, safe spaces as sword
There used to be a theory that academics were wandering so far out into left field that they would end up segregating themselves from the rest of America. Then Obama got elected.......I wonder if Melissa Click will get anywhere near the amount of mockery and derision that people on the right receive when their bad moments are captured for posterity. I don't think so, but maybe someday there will be a tipping point.
"They had to leave their Frat House, which was vandalized."
Rolling Stone will be paying for repairs and a good deal more.
"Why are some of you elite rich whites afraid to let your child compete without you?"
Why is this person still trolling here ?
I liked the part where they accuse him of touching them and pushing them while they touch and push him. Orwell must have been in their curriculum.
There is a reason this is so confusing and difficult to understand.
If you watch the nightly news shows, read papers like the New York Times, or read magazines like Time, you know that the Republican party is at war with its radical, tea party, right. That it's the establishment vs the conservatives. That the Republicans are in disarray and that is represented by the "clown car" primary currently taking place.
But the Democrats? They are united. It's Hillary. That's it. Period. There are only mainstream Democrats.
That's if you only read and watch the state approved media.
But really, there is also a war for the Democrat party. The left is taking it over. Communists and socialists want the power. And while Democrats are clearly moving left, they aren't moving left fast enough.
And that's what this is. Black Lives Matter and student groups and occupy Wall street, etc. They all have a taste of the power and leftist domination that they so desperately desire. But its not happening swiftly enough for them. Fox News still exists. Republicans still have a party.
This can't be allowed to stand. Christian fast food chicken must be destroyed.
They end up looking repressive and brutish, right in front of a camera,
Because they are repressive and brutish.
Forget a law. How about humanity?
Unless of course you are Conservative or religious, then fuck you.
Shouting Thomas. Next time you want to see what these Missouri or Yale students are doing, you might try looking in the mirror instead of wasting time searching for video clips of them on the internet.
As to Ann, I have to hand to her for finding the one sign of something positive in this insane confrontation. I do think these students are not as dumb about their impact via the media as compared with the Madison protests against Walker. By trying to keep the media out, they already give evidence of knowing how badly the public is likely to react to their rage and mob rule behavior. I say they are fine with it. What they want is to project POWER, not an appeal to the power of others, public opinion, as say you might do in a normal democracy. They are not out to win any argument, in any even remotely rational sense of that word. They think they are warding off danger, not differences of views. Like a cat whose tail bushes out when facing off with another cat. The aim is not to win the other cat over. These are people who feel so deeply aggrieved and wounded that the only alternatives are flight or fight.
They are so deeply wounded?
I'm sorry. These are adults with the ability and power to think. They understand consequences. They are doing what they want to do.
President Wolfe can return to the real and more sane world.
"He never stood a chance in the deranged environment of the politically correct modern university. Unlike so many college presidents, Wolfe made his bones in the real world.
According to his Wikipedia page, Wolfe began his career as a sales rep for IBM in 1980. He worked his way up the industry ladder, becoming president of Novell Americas in 2007. It’s unlikely that anyone demanded coddling from Wolfe during his corporate career.
Wolfe was named president of the University of Missouri in 2011. I imagine that he saw his mission more as maintaining the financial viability of the institution than as promoting
“the mental health of [the] campus,” which he probably assumed was okay. Little did he know."
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/shell-shocked-by-pc-world-university-of-missouri-president-steps-down.php
"Ann, you say "They end up looking repressive and brutish". That is because they ARE repressive and brutish. The cameras are capturing their "true" selves."
I'm saying that if they were better trained as protesters, they would have chosen to present themselves in a way that would have looked entirely different on camera. I disagree about their "true selves." The camera caught their outward behavior as they engaged in a tactic that they should not have chosen and would not have chosen if they were better trained in the art of protest demonstrations.
How brutish are they really on the inside? I don't know and you don't know. I thought the one woman who asked for humanity and respect showed something that suggested a very good inside, and if I had to guess, I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
@gk1/
The original saying was: "Scratch a Russian and you'll find a Tartar."
Now, instead of Tartars we always find a crypto-Robespierre.
And M. Jordan (and others here) are right. These "humanist" crypto-fascists are determined to "improve" society by "marching us all to virtue at bayonet-point." h/t PersonFromPorlock (An old Vietnam era B-52 NAV ECM guy iirc)
"I'm saying that if they were better trained as protesters, they would have chosen to present themselves in a way that would have looked entirely different on camera."
It seems the "best and the brightest" can be educated but can't be trained, just the opposite of those on the other side of the bell curve. Is that ironic?
Incredible.
Thugs. (Yes, I realize there were black people in that crowd of student protesters.) They and everyone else were thugs.
I especially like the fake "oh I'm just walking forward, breh. Not trying to push you or anything." Lol.
Then the dimbat redhead at the end calling for "muscle" to "deal" with the reporter. These people really don't know how they come off.
Click is a lip-smacking professor of Lady Gaga studies. Rumor has it she's on the short list for a Nobel.
@AA/
I CANNOT believe that anyone over the age of, say, twelve and with an IQ marginally into double digits would ever be so foolish as to compose a para like your concluding "love" para (above) let alone YOU. Evidence that your most severe detractors may indeed have a case when they charge that your brain in many ways is still stuck in the over-sentimental mush of the hippie 60s..
I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
You know who else wanted safety, respect, and love? Charles Manson. Jeffery Dahmer. The Zodiac Killer. Lenin, Mao, and Hitler.
So what?
Here is the guy who took the video: Mark Schierbecker
"I CANNOT believe that anyone over the age of, say, twelve and with an IQ marginally into double digits would ever be so foolish as to compose a para like your concluding "love" para (above) let alone YOU. Evidence that your most severe detractors may indeed have a case when they charge that your brain in many ways is still stuck in the over-sentimental mush of the hippie 60s.."
Okay, let's test you theory about age and IQ on the following statement:
"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”
How brutish are they really on the inside? I don't know and you don't know. I thought the one woman who asked for humanity and respect showed something that suggested a very good inside, and if I had to guess, I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
Yet not one of them asks why they are acting the way they are acting. Not one of them questions why they are all pushing the media. None of them says, "We are wrong here".
So that tells you a lot about them, and a lot about mob mentality, and a hesitancy to question the racist tactics of those they've decided to follow.
Ann, come on. Our true selves are who you see when we haven't been trained to act otherwise. Why did they unwisely choose those tactics? Because that is how they feel, that is who they are.
They are not decent human beings. They honestly are not. Not everyone is.
What Click and Basler did was arguably worse than shouting a racial slur. Especially as university employees. Threatening a student acting not only lawfully but admirably? Truly disgraceful, and that is their true selves.
Stalin however just wanted a steak and potato dinner, with a nice green salad. With the butter and sour cream on the side.
The students who didn't participate in this behavior are the ones showing respect and love. Nobody was forced to participate in the wall against the media. What do they think they are accomplishing? Why did they choose this behavior?
(that should be fascist tactics in my post above. Not racist)
Althouse said...I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
For the last 2 weeks, the protesters have been trying to generate media attention and coverage. Now that their short term demands have been met, they want to coverage to vanish. doesn't work that way.
I'd say the "Demonstrators want what they want, and any opposition to any demand is racist"
But Pol Pot, big on the safety and respect. Not so much the love. Go figure.
Remember, if you're inclined to make excuses for the thugs based on a "they're just kids" defense, Tai and Schierbecker are also just kids, yet they managed to learn a thing or two in their classes. How did that happen?
My guess? Tai isn't taking any classes on Lady Gaga or Twilight.
Life imitates ideology. The left is planning... cannibalizing itself.
Exactly, five wheels.
Character is all about who you are, even in the face of adversity. It is frightening to have adults be so easily led to these cruel tendencies.
There has been too much glorification of protests since about 1968. Sure there has been a number of necessary and effective protests in American history starting with the Whiskey Rebellion through Dr. King's protests. Lately, they've been quite lame, with unions hiring illegal alien contractors to protest for them, and the trite slogan, "Hey hey. Ho ho, blah blah has got to go."
So what I'm saying is that being a normal human being insofar as Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is not actually ennobling.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.png
I'm pretty sure they want food and shelter too.
Well, I defended Ann's first way of putting this, but can't accept this idea that these student flubbed up because they were not "better trained as protesters." I really think this assumes they actually have some practical goal, some realizable objective conceived as addressing the evil they claim to be angry about. I do not see that. I do not recall ever having been "trained" as a protester when we went into the streets chanting "Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" or "Hey, Hey, we ain't faking, today's pig is tomorrow's bacon." Such calls still echo up and down State St and University Ave for me when I visit Madison. We might have been in your face and we certainly provoked as much outrage from the public by our behavior as the Missouri students do. But unlike them, we did have an actual ACHIEVABLE end in view - to detach the university from its complicity in the war. From institutionally sanctioned university policies that the university was perfectly able to alter. I do not think our in-your-face behavior in our protests was based on a wiser or better trained notion of protest. It was how we felt. I also know for a fact we did not care how our behavior was portrayed in the media. We wanted to achieve certain achievable goals. These protests now over "offenses" given by almost anyone anywhere are attached to university administrators NOT because those administrators are either responsible for them or can do a thing about them. They are power plays, meant to intimidate not enlighten or win sympathy. These protesters are not trying to win any support to achieve anything real. They are suffering a delusion of dishonor and insult so deep as to be a violent crime itself. In response they are protecting themselves by acting in as angry and frightening a way as they possibly can. And in that, they have at least on this Missouri campus succeeded mightily.
"We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love."
No, they want power and then they think they can compel love and all the rest.
I'm sure Stalin and Hitler and Mao all wanted love, too. Just not at first.
Ann Althouse said...I'm saying that if they were better trained as protesters, they would have chosen to present themselves in a way that would have looked entirely different on camera. I disagree about their "true selves." The camera caught their outward behavior as they engaged in a tactic that they should not have chosen and would not have chosen if they were better trained in the art of protest demonstrations.
The two sentences above are a complete contradiction of each other. It's a desperate defense. True selves are what we are when no one else is looking. The students and professor got caught on camera before they could adjust. Since when does outward behavior not expose the true self? Stupid is as stupid does.
I'll bet Dr. Melissa Click wishes she'd behaved differently, but she was exposed, and cashed her 15-minutes of fame in on hypocrisy and hysteria. She forgot to hide her true self.
On the one hand Professor Althouse offers defense by saying the students would have looked better if they were trained at protesting, or better at acting, or pros at propaganda. Even though the training would be meant to hide their innate mob behavior, the professor denies that the untrained are exposing who they really are.
They just want a wittle wuv...
Bullshit.
"The camera caught their outward behavior as they engaged in a tactic that they should not have chosen and would not have chosen if they were better trained in the art of protest demonstrations."
Is the Art of Protest Demonstration a course taught at UW? Media Studies?
Maybe Click could get in touch with UW rabble-rousers and get the syllabus.
Maybe OFA can (has been?) get involved with the anarchist in Columbia.
Has DeRay Mckesson been spotted in Columbia?
Things I've learned in the past hour.
There is actually a state law in Missouri guaranteeing the right to protest on/to access that lawn. (Link).
Someone at Missouri has apparently realized the incredibly bad optics of the video, as all the "Go Away Media" signs are gone, and there are now signs welcoming the media. #TooLittleTooLate
Ann Althouse said...
"Ann, you say "They end up looking repressive and brutish". That is because they ARE repressive and brutish. The cameras are capturing their "true" selves."
I'm saying that if they were better trained as protesters, they would have chosen to present themselves in a way that would have looked entirely different on camera. I disagree about their "true selves." The camera caught their outward behavior as they engaged in a tactic that they should not have chosen and would not have chosen if they were better trained in the art of protest demonstrations.
I don't think they would have chosen anything differently. Sure they look like idiots to most people, but the protests Althouse apparently believes a "better" trained protester would have chosen are ineffective. So these students traded their own self respect to create an event faculty and administration activists can use to achieve their goals. This is why a willingness to say stupid things in public is such a key element in activist politics. This is why activists train their cannon fodder this way in the first place, theater of victimization works.
Ok so the students want "safe spaces" because it's not fair that someone can drive by them with confederate flags flying on his truck. After all, the students might feel scared or unsafe. Ok got it.
But if I see a truck drive by flying an ISIS flag and I feel scared or unsafe, then I'm an intolerant bigot? Ok got it.
And how about this photographer? He just wants a safe space in a public park to take some pictures, but for him "bring in the muscle" and force out this bigot in the name of respect and humanity and ... tolerance. Wait wtf?
Money can buy you love, so they should get jobs.
How many of your students do you provide ... love?
AA to v.xenophon: Okay, let's test you theory about age and IQ on the following statement:
"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”
Jesus, Althouse. Did you borrow sunsong's brain for the day? A passage of hippie mush and a passage of literature having some vocabulary words in common doesn't constitute a "test" for anybody's theory of anything.
1968 called. It said it's been fun but it's time for you to put the bong down, move on, and start paying attention to where reality has been going for the 47 years between it and now.
"Scarborough went on to press his panel and determined that no one could name what actions were directly responsible for those resignations.
“That’s been the question for three days and that’s the question I put out on the table – should a president of a university and a chancellor of a university be run out before there are discussions, before there is debate, before it is taken up, before there is due process – or do you just have a college football team – I mean, if a math class went out on strike, they would still be there. It seems to me major academic decisions are being made by a football team. And none of us around this table can name what the president or the chancellor did to deserve being kicked out.”"
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/10/scarborough-no-one-can-name-what-the-mizzou-president-chancellor-did-to-be-kicked-out/
The Cultural Revolution ordered by Mao was not that far removed from the one we are seeing that was set up and ordered by our Community Disorganizer-in-Chief.
Obama's goal is to start riots and declare Martial Law. So the University not attacking the thugs is working for now. That means the thugs will have to start something themselves...like when the Polish Privilege guys invaded the Germans in September ,1939
I disagree about their "true selves." The camera caught their outward behavior as they engaged in a tactic that they should not have chosen and would not have chosen if they were better trained in the art of protest demonstrations.
you disagree that they aren't showing their "true selves" because the lack the training to lie effectively?
I'm not getting your point here. At all.
I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
Hitler just wanted Germany to be for Germans and they needed more room for their families.
Abysmal behavior and abhorrent actions frequently have laughable justifications.
They just want to be loved.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/09/this-hilarious-short-film-mocking-social-justice-in-schools-is-going-viral/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Ann Althouse said...
How brutish are they really on the inside? I don't know and you don't know. I thought the one woman who asked for humanity and respect showed something that suggested a very good inside, and if I had to guess, I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
11/10/15, 10:56 AM
I don't know and you don't know and I don't care. I don't care that the person that hits me with a club and steals my wallet loves his kids. I don't and I don't because that sort of "inquiry" just does not matter. Hitler loved cats (I don't actually know that) but again who cares. What you DO and how that impact others matters, not how you feel. Sorry but screw how you feel. There are ways to protest injustice and committing injustice is not the way. Gandhi did it without swinging a club. These little special snowflakes don't deserve to be where they are. They have demonstrated that by their actions. The only bright spot in all of this is that it could not happen to a nice group of people (academics). You all (inclusive) have nurtured this sort of atmosphere for years and are now reaping what you have sown. Some of you were active in this and some of you stood by watching and saying nothing. A pox on all of your houses. You have earned it.
Me, I am getting a larger popcorn machine...
MadisonMan
Thanks for the link, so the university can be liable to the student photog per Missouri law.
Interesting, Missouri outlawed free speech zones on all campuses in the system.
Ann Althouse said...if I had to guess, I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love.
I'll just point out that I don't remember you voicing such assumptions--giving such a generous-to-the-point-of-ridiculous benefit of the doubt--about any non-Leftist protesters, Prof. The Tea Party is all about love, right, they want those same things, no? Hey, so did the people protesting outside the US Capitol a few years ago, you know, the ones the Democrats accused of spitting and shouting racial epithets? Those people just wanted love, but for some weird reason I don't remember you nor anyone else not on the Right mentioning that fact.
If you boil it down what these activists are calling for is not much short of a revolution--a revolution in the culture we as Americans take for granted. We assume freedom of speech means a marketplace for ideas wherein we have to listen to and (gasp!) tolerate all sorts of ideas and expressions we dislike. Traditionally we don't interpret "contrary points of view" as "traumatic" nor as violence, but these activists insist that we do just that, or else. This isn't exactly a new idea, but it is new to America and where it was successful in other nations in the past you can be sure authoritarianism (with attendant violence, deaths, etc) quickly followed.
As I said, they're agitating for a revolution in the culture...a Cultural Revolution, to coin a phrase.
The majority of Maoists probably wanted love, peace, and respect, too. The majority of southerners in America in 1861 probably just wanted peace and for their government to respect what they saw as their rights. The majority of Russians in 1917 just wanted peace (a literal end to war) and safety--what would become the Stalinsts were literally a minority party within the minority of political activists.
So what? What bearing does what's in the hearts of the majority have on judging the outwardly-thuggish actions of the minority actually taking action? The position that "gee, if only they were better trained they wouldn't look so bad" might be true, but it doesn't say whether they actually ARE bad or not, and just ASSUMING that they're not doesn't make any sense. You should just say "I'm predisposed to think these are good people and extend to them a benefit of the doubt (w/r/t their behavior) I wouldn't extend to other groups" and leave it at that.
Hey is this on University property, or what? I mean, I remember the Occupy deals, but is everyone just cool with some group appointing themselves owners of public spaces and forcibly keeping other members of the public out, now? With the assistance of university officials (teachers, admins) no less?
I mean, sure, everyone has a right to use the common spaces, and everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others, clearly. Damn, that oughtta be in a book somewhere, what an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Xb-4v2kuo
"They end up looking repressive and brutish ..."
News Flash to Althouse - because they are repressive and brutish.
The same shit was pulled constantly at the Walker protests. It's in lefties' DNA.
The University of Missouri is now threatening police force against speech.
Report "hateful and/or hurtful" speech to the police.
This sounds like a potential Monty Python sketch: a group holds a protest that nobody else is allowed to attend, view and/or report on. In such a case, did the protest actually take place?
Oh my, now people are questioning whether the poop swastika even ever existed. #BlackLiesMatter.
"Once sports teams, both professional and college, start joining the argument outside of sports for proportional representation, de facto quotas, and more diversity, should they be the first to suffer the consequences of their own ideology? Or should the logic of Orwell’s Animal Farm: All hiring, admission, and participation shall reflect the racial diversity of the campus — except sports teams, given that sports is a far more important activity than scholarship and teaching and thus alone requires selection solely on legitimate criteria of merit."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426849/university-missouri-football-team-demands
Ann,
How about one of your polls, with the question "What, if anything, will happen to Ms. Click as a result of her actions on video?" The choices could range from "She will be fired" to "She will be the next president of Mizzou".
I'd vote for "nothing at all".
Cruel neutrality?
That hey hey, ho ho
chant format has got to go.
1960's student radicals: "The whole world is watching!"
2015's student radicals: "Nobody is allowed to watch!"
Somebody has noticed one issue with the whole controversy:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/#disqus_thread
Sean Davis points out the amazing lack of anything resembling evidence of a fecal swastika. No named eyewitnesses. No photos. No nothing.
How brutish are they really on the inside? I don't know and you don't know.
My father used to say, "Handsome is as handsome does". Your excuse making leads me to believe there is a (faint) alarm bell ringing deep inside saying, "Yes, I AM part of the problem".
>>Report "hateful and/or hurtful" speech to the police.
Thoughtcrime soon to follow.
Dan the Man just wondered what Mizzou would do with the crazy bitch.
Looks like even the J school realized that she was bad news!
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/mu-journalism-faculty-voting-to-remove-click-s-courtesy-appointment/article_6e2cedaa-87c7-11e5-ae63-87e5cacea580.html
"Ann Althouse said...if I had to guess, I'd guess that the majority of the students who look bad in the video are really trying to say what most people really feel: We want safety, respect, and — ultimately — love."
The boy with the thorn in his side
behind the hatred their lies a murderous desire for love.
I don't think photographic evidence of the poopstika is required (or desired), but I would at least like to hear the testimony of the person who had to clean it up. Surely that person exists (if the incident happened).
BTW, the J school Dean here in North Texas is trying to restore her credibility after claiming to have been profiled. Damn that dash cam!
http://www.dentonrc.com/
U of M school of journalism grad = next generation of Starbucks associates
The protest has no goal but to flex muscle. They made a rule against media presence just so they could prove they could enforce it.
It's mob rule, and that's all it is.
I don't see how mob rule reinforces any human being's dignity.
This whole thing is clearly being led and directed by a group of faculty. In the end, the revolution will kill its own.
If a BYU player says something hurtful to a Mizzou player during this Saturday's game, can Mizzou call a timeout to notify the police?
In another outrage, no one powders the bottoms of Mizzou students after they go potty.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426818/tim-wolfe-resignation-mizzou
I think the reason they didn't want this guy shooting pictures is that he was getting the "wrong" pictures - he was documenting the faculty leadership. That wasn't the media picture they wanted to create.
"the amazing lack of anything resembling evidence of a fecal swastika."
The Reichstag Scheißtika
"How brutish are they really on the inside? I don't know and you don't know."
What I know is, the best way to determine what's on the inside is to look at what's shown on the outside. Meaning, the best definition of who you are can only be found in what you actually do.
Because, not only can we never see that "inside," but, whatever is or is not "really there" just ultimately doesn't matter, except to the extent that it is expressed. On the outside, where we can all see it.
It occurs to me that these folks had better be careful; you know how what Secretary Clinton described as a "spontaneous protest" turned out for our people in a certain town in Libya...gotta watch those spontaneous protests, don't'cha know.
The protesting students are making many rudimentary PR mistakes here and could use some training in basic protest technique.
Hee--yeah, excluding reporters from your demonstration would seem to indicate a lack of clarity on the concept. If protesters in the 60s had been that dumb we'd still be fighting the Vietnam war.
Maoists gotta Mao Mao.
It has always been thus.
Gusty Winds: "If a BYU player says something hurtful to a Mizzou player during this Saturday's game, can Mizzou call a timeout to notify the police?"
And God help any player who requests to see the actual data behind the AGW hoax!
That could lead directly to Martial law being declared.
Or "Marshall Law" if you happen to be playing the Thundering Herd.
E.G. Marshall? Didn't he play a lawyer? That would work as well.
Melissa Click apologizes, resigns appointment to Journalism Dept. before vote could be held.
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/mu-journalism-faculty-voting-to-remove-click-s-courtesy-appointment/article_6e2cedaa-87c7-11e5-ae63-87e5cacea580.html
Drago said...
"E.G. Marshall? Didn't he play a lawyer?"
I remember him as the Radio Narrator of 'CBS Mystery Night Theater' back in the day. AM band.
Wednesday nights, I think. Came on around Ten.
Listened to it in bed on a little radio.
I am Laslo.
Just because I forgot to mention it earlier: good for that photographer, it took actual guts to try and stand his ground under those circumstances. If there's any justice in the world (and if the Media has any brains) he'll get a big career boost out of this and be featured on news shows/interviews for the next few days.
"Respect our space!" that bitch shouted as they crowded around him and put their hands in his face. Imagine if a line of cops physically intimidated any of them like that tall black guy who loomed over the photographer did--it'd be a national outrage. The older official bullying the photographer ("I'm just walking forward, I can't help bumping into you" is something children--literal children whine as an excuse) needs to be fired ASAP. If I'd done that to her you know I'd be up on assault charges right now.
"Ay, you lost this one, bro." Bullies always seem tough then no one's fighting back. Next time they talk about how they're traumatized by some hypothetical violence remember how quick they were to use threats and physical force to impose their will on a minority.
Keep it up, fuckers. Someone's going to fight back and lots of us aren't going to mind too much when you take a beating.
@MikeR, thanks for that link. I note that Click is not tenured. I suspect this episode won't be prominent in her tenure file.
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