June 4, 2015

"If they let me serve as myself, I will give 30-plus years."

"I will sign up for the rest of my life. I love the military. I love my peers. I love the whole structure of the military."

Said a 22-year-old Navy officer quoted in a NYT editorial titled "Let Transgender Troops Serve Openly."

50 comments:

rhhardin said...

It's one way to get women to meet strength requirements.

Michael K said...

The military is not a social experiment, no matter how much the left thinks it should be.

The Israelis who have a real problem with numbers tried women in combat and gave up. I doubt anyone in their right mind would think "transgender" people should be in the military.

T. A. Hansen said...

Well, it is the Air Force. Not too tough a gig. Anyone can push papers around.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

22, hunh? I thought a lot of things about my future at 22 that I no longer think.

Paul said...

Worked out GREAT for Bradley Manning...(No, I won't call him Chelsea...)

Bob Ellison said...

Getting a job in the military is a right, then?

I can't serve, and I've asked. I'm too old and too riddled with chronic diseases.

It's OK to disqualify me on those bases. It's not OK to disqualify someone with what may be a mental disorder.

There's no "right" to be a soldier. It should be considered an honor.

Jane the Actuary said...

The biggest surprise in this piece? The pushback from the NYT readers. They weren't buying it.

The overriding objective of the military, that which trumps all others, is effectiveness in fighting wars.

The Drill SGT said...

Michael K said...
The military is not a social experiment, no matter how much the left thinks it should be.


Well that still means they can join the USAF. It's not exactly a "Military Service".

Seriously thoughThese people have personality disorders. Ever see their rate of regret and suicide after realignment surgery? If it were publicized, there would be calls to outlaw the practice. It's self-FGM.

As for mental stability and the Ensign that wants to fly jets, I used to run what the Army calls a "Personnel Reliability Program". Everybody in the chain of command for nukes is carefully screened, tested, then monitored for medical, financial, and other issues. Any mental down-check and you are pulled off the roster. I once had to go explain to the Commanding General why he needed to take my full colonel commander out of the nuke CoC (but not the regular one), because the Colonel had been in an auto accident and been unconscious for 2 minutes. Any incident like that took you off the roster for 6 months. I can imagine the result if I told him that Ensign S wants to wear dresses and mutilate herself...

Landing Jets on carriers is a stressful task that needs total concentration and level headed presence. Guys who want their dicks cut off are not good candidates.

William said...

The NYT states that there are thousands of oppressed transgendered serving in the military. I don't believe it. In society at large it's a fairly rare condition, and I wouldn't think a military career would appeal to men who like to shave their legs........,I don't think transgendered people are in any way evil, and, like all of us, they deserve to be treated like human bengs. But they suffer from a kind of sexual dyslexia and the rest of us shouldn't be forced to read in their alphabet.......Shouldn't toleration be extended also to young men who object to living in intimate quarters with transsexuals. Their antipathy to transsexuals is as natural and authentic as the transsexuals wish to dress up like a girl.

TosaGuy said...

Have served 27 years in the military.

The military has a mission and it allows a person significant freedom to accomplish that mission. I've never had such a high level of freedom in any other professional endeavor. In exchange, it also requires you to give up part of yourself and your sense of individuality. Those who don't like that exchange are free to leave at the end of their enlistment or to resign their commissions.

The Drill SGT said...

TosaGuy said...
The military has a mission and it allows a person significant freedom to accomplish that mission.


The priority is:
- Mission
- Men
- Self

Leaders that can't deal with that set of priorities don't belong.

The Military exists to Defend the Nation. Force Effectiveness is the top, and nearly only priority. Things that improve Force Effectiveness are Good. individual rights for Trans people does not improve Force Effectiveness, ergo, those social engineering rules are bad.

Kelly said...

I don't know if I've told this story here before, but my husband is a military contractor and was working in Afghanastan. Every job has to have a DOD civilian counterpart. My husbands counterpart was a transgendered male to female. I don't know if he'd had all the surgeries, but he had the boobs along with a greying balding head. They stuck "her" in with the woman and scared the crap out of the females in the showers the first day he walked in. He laughed about it when he told my husband. He also talked about the beautiful woman in the showers. I guess he became a lesbian when his gender was reassigned. My husband had to take this person around to the different shops and introduce him to the soldiers. Imagine having to that in that type of environment. What an embarrassment. It seems the plan was for my husband to write him up to get him out of there which he refused to do. He wasn't going to go to court as part of a lawsuit so eventually someone else did the dirty work.

chickelit said...

rhhardin said...

It's one way to get women to meet strength requirements.

Inside every woman is a future men's decathlon champion. He just needs to be set free.

The Drill SGT said...

chickelit said...
Inside every woman is a future men's decathlon champion. He just needs to be set free.


Not likely, however, inside a few men, are future female Gold Medal winners...

Anonymous said...

...and in other military news..all of the women who volunteered for Ranger training flunked out....but lets just keep playing games.

Bay Area Guy said...

Yes, because there is no better way to fight Radical Islam, than with clueless, self-absorbed, 22-year old transgendered Navy Officers!

chickelit said...

If they let me serve as myself, I will give 30-plus years.

The military doesn't want quantity so much as quality.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

If they let me serve as myself, I will give 30-plus years.

News flash, precious little snowflake: Nobody gets to serve as themselves. They break you down then build you up into the form they need to accomplish their tasks.

exhelodrvr1 said...

The Drill Sgt,
" Force Effectiveness is the top, and nearly only priority"

If only ...

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Shows you how much I know.

I had no idea transgendered troops couldn't serve openly.

How the hell do they keep it a secret, anyway?

TosaGuy said...

ex...

It is top priority when the times call for it, then the theater matures to the point where powerpoint projectors can be set up and then garrison priorities take over.

The Drill SGT said...

Bay Area Guy said...
Yes, because there is no better way to fight Radical Islam, than with clueless, self-absorbed, 22-year old transgendered Navy Officers!


Well it could be worse, in the Army I could see our transperson setting back Civil-Community relations among the noble savages of Kandahar back a few hundred years in multiple scenarios.

The Irony is that our DoD SJW warriors think that all cultures and mores are equal until they rub each other the wrong way, like putting a tranny in charge of searching the local females.


Skyler said...

Oh, how nice of him to promise to sully the navy for thirty years, as though he's giving US some kind of bargain.

If you let me poop on the quarterdeck, I promise to keep pooping on the quarterdeck for thirty years.

How generous.

Get lost, loser. We don't need the likes of you in the navy.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Tosa,
"It is top priority when the times call for it"

You mean like now? Considering the number of crises or "strong potential to become crises" and the potential for our military to get involved, and the size of the military after the cutbacks of the recent years, there is less margin for this type of thing than at probably any other time in our history, other than maybe during the Revolutionary War.

Coupe said...

If a soldier, sailor, or airman is thinking about their sexuality, they've been in the rear too long.

chickelit said...

Yes, because there is no better way to fight Radical Islam, than with clueless, self-absorbed, 22-year old transgendered Navy Officers!

In that context, these guys could redefine the term "giving head."

Anonymous said...

I believe I'm a general.

If they will just let me serve in the military as myself, a general, then I'd do 30 years as well.

Anglelyne said...

The Drill SGT: The Military exists to Defend the Nation. Force Effectiveness is the top, and nearly only priority.

Get with the program, D-Sarge. Equality is Job 1. (Of absolutely everything. If you can imagine it, it deserves equal protection.) The top priority. (I would say the only priority, if it weren't for the vital importance of diversi-tay.) In any fundamental social institution, not just the military.

Anglelyne said...

Kelly: He also talked about the beautiful woman in the showers. I guess he became a lesbian when his gender was reassigned.

Are any of these women-trapped-in-men's-bodies not "lesbians"?

Funny how so many of these really-feminine-on-the-inside (really!) not-a-dudes seem to have such stereotypically masculine sexual interests/behaviors.

Sebastian said...

"Equality is Job 1 . . . if it weren't for the vital importance of diversity."

Indeed.

The military needs to look like America.

If it looks like America is going insane over sex-related issues, the military needs join the insanity.

The Drill SGT said...

Coupe said...
If a soldier, sailor, or airman is thinking about their sexuality, they've been in the rear too long.


Real pointy spear (e.g. rough men) solders, in my combat experience, think about only one thing. Sleep, oh and being alive to wake up (having the whole unit asleep at the same time is not conducive to survival)

TosaGuy said...

"Tosa,
"It is top priority when the times call for it"

You mean like now? Considering the number of crises or "strong potential to become crises" and the potential for our military to get involved, and the size of the military after the cutbacks of the recent years, there is less margin for this type of thing than at probably any other time in our history, other than maybe during the Revolutionary War. "

Not now. Only for the 10-minute period where offensive ground operations crush any organized resistance in our path. Once that is over and a Green Bean coffee hut is set up for the FOBBITS, then the REAL priorities of the military can happen.

William said...

I would suppose that a woman trapped in a man's body has a life full of drama and misunderstandings" and challenges. I would also suspect that in this drama nearly everyone on earth is a bit player as the star makes her grand entrance. Sadly, the military has other aims than to make transsexuals feel good about themselves. There are some contexts where I would be sympathetic to their challenges, but there are better places and better ways to work out their life.

Zeb Quinn said...

Sure, why not? The dirty little secret is we've always put half-wits and psychos on the front lines as pawns and cannon fodder.

Lost My Cookies said...

Klinger stayed a Corporal for what, eight years?

Anonymous said...

"...Not now. Only for the 10-minute period where offensive ground operations crush any organized resistance in our path. Once that is over and a Green Bean coffee hut is set up for the FOBBITS, then the REAL priorities of the military can happen"

In the rear,
With the gear,
the Sergeant Major
and the beer.

Alex said...

Michael K - when Army cadets are forced to wear high heels because of a psycho female "general", the military is officially FUCKED.

This kind of self-neutering of a PROUD nation's military has no precedent in world history. It's unbelievable.

Coupe said...
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Jason said...

"A 22-year old Navy officer"

<----- laughs, does the 'jerk-off' motion, and skips to the reader comments.

Bay Area Guy said...

Do we know if this 22-year old Transgendered Top Gun Naval Officer graduated from the Gaia Democratic School?

That would be an Althouse two-fer:)

Anonymous said...

The military is not a social experiment, no matter how much the left thinks it should be.

I remember your grandfather saying the same thing right around the end of July in 1948.

chickelit said...

@madiisonfella: But there were pre-existing colored troop corps so integration was just a joining together. Where are the pre-existing fighting units of transsexuals or gays so that we may objectively evaluate them?

chickelit said...

Race is a phenotype which must be on display at all times. Sexual orientation and disorientation is not a badge of courage despite what our President says.

holdfast said...

In the 90s and early 00s I was in a NATO ally Army where there was no legal bar to gays serving. In the combat arms and combat support units in which I served there were no openly gay men - there were likely some closeted gay men, but the social rules were very much "don't tell on pain of getting sh*tkicked". It may have been different in admin / logistics units. The MPs, on the other hand, were almost all lesbians or bisexual women - and frankly they were among the most effective women I served with - generally much more professional and hardcore than the straight women.

I am trying to imagine a transexual serving in the field in a combat arms unit, and it just does not compute. I suppose it will be good to have some "females" who can do more than 3 proper chin-ups, and maybe one will pass Ranger School or Infantry Officers' School. Most of the females I served with couldn't even meet the physical requirements for the junior NCO leadership course, until they gutted those requirements.

Anonymous said...

Since men can now be women, can transsexual men compete in women's sports?

How far is the professor willing to take this?

The Drill SGT said...

Eric.

apparently in the progressive world, there is no binomial definition of gender. Rather a continuum


Thus there are no women's sports. just sports for folks who identity today as a woman...

Gahrie said...

I remember your grandfather saying the same thing right around the end of July in 1948.

Someone remind me who it was that officially resegregated the military and federal government?

I seem to remember his party affiliation started with a "D", and he described himself as a "Progressive".

Kelly said...

Anglelyne, I did wonder if maybe he was trying to make my husband more comfortable by assuring him he was still interested in woman. A cold comfort to the woman he was showering with I'm sure.

jr565 said...

If you commit a crime immediately say you are a woman. You will then go to a woman prison. Since Jenner is a woman and still has a dick, would you even need to have your penis removed to be considered a woman? Then you could bunk with women, and have sex with them in prison.
Free conjugal visits, while avoiding male prison rape.

Jason said...

Libtards haven't thought this through. Then again, they never think anything through.