April 16, 2015

Why is Hillary Clinton misstating checkable facts about her life?

Buzzfeed reports: "Speaking in Iowa Wednesday, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that all her grandparents had immigrated to the United States, a story that conflicts with public census and other records related to her maternal and paternal grandparents."

Meanwhile, Chelsea Clinton expects people to believe that her very curly hair on its own changed into glossily sleek, slightly curved straight hair:
"My curls, in my early twenties, just fell into waves. I don't know if they got tired of me, but the curls slowly subsided, and so now it's naturally a little bit wavy but... I miss my curls."
Why lie about things you don't even need to lie about, things that can be checked? Why lie so badly?

132 comments:

MayBee said...

Ancestry.com will get you every time

Patrick said...

Old habits.

Michael K said...

Habit.

MountainMan said...

Because they can. And get away with it. With the help of their lapdogs in the media. Obama gets away with it all the time. As did Warren wtih her fake Cherokee heritage. As Glenn likes to say, "It's who they are. It's what they do." And the low information voters just lap it up.

sydney said...

When you live with lies they become the truth.

Unknown said...

Lying is what they do. For the Clintons, and unfortunately the MSM, if they say it or report it, it must be true.

MayBee said...

I'm sure Hillary has seen people pay very little price for these biographical fudges.

Obama did it. Elizabeth Warren did it. Democrats still love them.

Michael K said...

Allan Drury's president (modeled after FDR) in his novel, "Advice and Consent" would "lie when the truth would do as well."

Tank said...

What difference at this ...

CStanley said...

Agree that the answer is "because she can" and yet I really think people are overreacting to this particular "lie."

If the truth (as I think I read) is that her grandfather was born abroad and her grandmother was born here shortly after her parents immigrated, then it is still true that her grandparents grew up in immigrant families and were immersed in that experience.

This really doesn't even come close to the whopper she told about Tuzla.

Sebastian said...

"Habit."

Sure. Also "congenital." (W. Safire, Jan. 8, 1996)

Levi Starks said...

To be fair I'm sure we can judge this as somewhat true.
We are using the term "grandparent" in the strict sense of our parents parents. See, wasn't that easy?
It's an exaggeration, she's just starting off early getting us used to the idea. At some point in the campaign we will discover that almost every word that comes out of her mouth will be a half truth.
And we'll be fine with it, just you wait and see

traditionalguy said...

The Clintons and their personally controlled media are 1990s throwbacks. In the pre-internet age the most successful chameleon gave you what seemed to be right in your eyes.

The whole concept of truth has way overrated since the WWI mobilization days...until today.

Matt Drudge is to blame.

rhhardin said...

Lying is what we hire them for.

PB said...

Lying is sport for them and crucial to their success.

BTW, the article claimed that when Bill Clinton ran for president, Chelsea was a victim of bullying comments about her unruly hair. No it wasn't about the hair. That was the most interesting and honest thing about their family.

rhhardin said...

The plaid shirt of truth defeats the chameleon of deceit.

Fernandinande said...

Why lie so badly?

There are never any consequences.

Q: Why was Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
A: Because Janet Reno is her father.
(HT J. McCain)

Bob Ellison said...

I like Tamron Hall of The Today Show. She usually wears a wig, but she has also put her own hair out on-air.

Such a beautiful woman, whatever hair she's sporting. Why are so many people hung-up on hair? Mine is thinning and gray.

theribbonguy said...

It's who they are, it's what they do.

It depends on what the meaning of "is" is...

Thorley Winston said...

I think it’s important to keep in mind how recent it’s been that people have been able to instantly fact-check statements by public figures and to bypass traditional gatekeepers in getting information out. Twenty years ago assuming someone took the time to request and gain access to the actual records, they might have posted it on an internet message board (or leaked it to Drudge). Today a lot more things are searchable online that didn’t use to be and you can tweet it, share it on Facebook, make a Youtube video showing a clip of her statements and contrast that with the actual records. And the traditional gatekeepers of print and broadcast journalism instead of ignoring these non-standard outlets in many cases are now highlighting them as they’ve cut back on their usual reporting desks.


So if you’re someone who was used to spending the first forty plus years of your life being able to say pretty much whatever you wanted with impunity, you now have to live in a world where the rules have changed. So either you double down and plod on hoping people will agree when you say “what does it matter” or you have to change your old habits and adapt to the new world.

Tank said...

Thinking about the shadow journalism today (ie. the internet), I wonder if Bill C could have been elected now.

Tank said...

OK, so Thorley said it better.

And first.

Meade said...

“All my grandparents, you know, who came over here had come under sniper fire during their immigration trips and, you know, sniper fire will make anyone's hair curl.” she said in a personal email to Bill that was deleted. "Curl and then, later, go straight."

Brando said...

Clintons can't help but lie. They are fundamentally dishonest people.

Somehow, Bill was able to do it successfully--he fooled a lot of people (or didn't, but enough people just didn't care about the lying as they enjoyed his rascally ways). Hillary though doesn't have the skills of a good liar. She resembles Nixon that way.

Todd said...

Why is Hillary Clinton misstating checkable facts about her life?

Misstating? MISTATING? Are you f*ing kidding me? As far as the Clintons are concerned, that word is due a well earned retirement.

"That shirt is blue!", "No it is teal". "Oh, I misstated the color, sorry".

That is a misstatement.

She LIES CONSTANTLY. She is a politician, a democrate, a laywer AND a Clinton. She knows no other way.

paminwi said...

Hey CStanley: there 4 grandparents. Only 1 (ONE) grandparent was an immigrant. So...she lied about 75% of them.

This is NOT a mistake, it is an out and out blatant lie. But...lying comes easily to Hilary and she will apologize and the media will say "well, she said she was sorry, so, allis good!"

Meade said...

"Webb's hair? No, Webb's hair was straight. Well, straight AND curly. No wait. Webb was always bald — bald-headed, bald-faced..."

traditionalguy said...

We are in a golden age of internet fact checking by everybody. But how long will that last?

Regulating the 'facts" permitted to be written on the internet is nowtarget #1 in the World War against Dirty Carbon Mobilization by our UN Propaganda Overlords.

lgv said...

Liars lie. I worked for amoral, unscrupulous CEO once. He used to lie all the time. It was like a game to him. He thought he was good at it, but the small lies were often the most obvious. Sometimes he didn't realize that everyone knew he was lying.

The bigger the lie, the more apt it was to be believed. No one would make up the big lie.

That's why curls and grandparents are such bad lies.

Benghazi, heterosexuality, email servers. Those are the big lies.

BDNYC said...

These people will lie about literally anything.

SteveR said...

For liberals, small price to pay for someone who believes in AGW and supports SSM. They are even saying how much they need Warren in the senate. All is proceeding as I have forseen. Politics trumps ethics all the way down.

David said...

Why lie about things you don't even need to lie about, things that can be checked? Why lie so badly?

It's an old joke:

George Washington: "I can not tell a lie."
Richard Nixon: "I can not tell the truth."
Hillary Clinton: "I can not tell the difference."

rhhardin said...

So far all of Hillary's grandparents were heterosexual.

Skeptical Voter said...

Because lying is what Hillary does. She's just not very good at it.

Bill on the other hand is a liar, but he's very good at it.

As for Chelsea, she's just carrying on the family trade; and she's not much good at anything as her failed TV "news" gig proved.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If Hillary said all her grandparents were immigrants and only one was, that's still 25% true, and most politicians work at the 10% level.

As for Chelsea, and her curls, what exactly is the lie? Is that in the same category of lying as women who dye their hair?

Anonymous said...

Because Democrats have proved that their voters don't care that they are liars.

Kevin said...



They are Clintons. Lying is as natural as breathing to them...

Tank said...

Think about the "trust issues" presented when the Obamas and the Clintons sit down to talk. Yiiii.

Actually, Mrs. Zero is not that good at hiding the crazy, which is why she is not allowed to talk about anything important in public.

Hagar said...

Was it William Safire whos wrote that it wasn't so much that they lied that disturbed him, but that they lied so easily?

Skyler said...

Hillary lies about these things because she is a stranger to truth, and because it lowers expectations for her.

MadisonMan said...

I used to have fabulous curls. They're gone now, though, and not just because my hair is shorter. I miss my curls too.

CStanley said...

Paminwi: fair enough- when I commented I had incorrectly assumed she had only referenced the one set of grandparents and felt that it was somewhat of a technicality if the grandmother was born shortly after the family arrived in the US instead of before.

I am certainly not interested in defending HC. I think this struck a chord for me though because my family ancestry includes most of the immigration happening at the level of my great grandparents and yet I think of my grandparents as immigrants since they were raised in families that had not yet assimilated- they all lived in Polish neighborhoods and spoke Polish. It just seems immaterial to me, whether a particular child was born prior to the voyage across the Atlantic or afterward, in terms of the experience that the child had growing up.

So I will grant that 25% accuracy is worse than the 50% that I'd wrongly assumed! but it still is a big "so what?" to me. And I think it's best to ignore things that really don't matter, since there will be many other lies she will tell which do matter. This trivializes it IMO.

Gahrie said...

Why lie so badly?

Habit.

TosaGuy said...

The Clinton "outrage of the day" strategy is doing its job at the moment. People are pouncing on everything and getting riled up about it. However, people can only sustain outrage for so long and will tire of the subject by the time its to the time of actual campaigning. The thought is the Hillary Haters will tire themselves out.

Hate is human quality that is important to politics because it raises an emotion and rallies those you like you to your defense. Effective politicians can manage and redirect hate.

The risk to this strategy is that the general public will become indifferent to Mrs. Clinton and indifference is a death curse to politicians.

Smilin' Jack said...

Meanwhile, Chelsea Clinton expects people to believe that her very curly hair on its own changed into glossily sleek, slightly curved straight hair....Why lie about things you don't even need to lie about, things that can be checked?

Um, exactly how would you check that?

Fen said...

According to Dem strategists, she already has an electoral lock and only needs to swing Florida.

Maybe she agrees and thinks all this campaign stuff is just nonsense that shouldn't be taken so seriously.

She's just dialing it in.

Crimso said...

She's the George Costanza of politics. Soon she'll claim to have designed the new addition to the Guggenheim. And that it really didn't take very long.

Fen said...

"Um, exactly how would you check that?"

Throw water on her, Dorothy.

But be careful not to let any splash on Hillary.

MaxedOutMama said...

Chelsea may be telling the truth. Her hair doesn't look straightened, and some individuals do have hair that switches from straight to curly or vice versa in a lifetime.

I was born with dead straight hair. By the time I got to high school, I had a wave. By now (in my 50s), even cut short it is unmanageably curly. It's been a trial for decades now.

If I let it grow, it would look very similar to Chelsea's high school age photos. Sort of a white Afro look.

My mother, btw, warned me about this when I was thirteen, so it must have been a family pattern.

As to Hillary's immigrant background, she is a very narrative-oriented politician.

clint said...

Why not lie?

Some low-information folks will believe the lies -- some of them will like her better for this lie. Most supporters won't care that she lies. And those who do will have the MSM Fact Checkers giving Hillary a "Mostly True" rating while screaming "Liar, liar, pants on fire" to any Republican who relates verifiable facts contrary to the narrative.

So... why lie? Because it is in her interests to do so.

Real American said...

I still find it amazing that in 1947 she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary who wasn't world famous until 1953, when he climbed to the summit of Mount Everest. Her parents must have been quite prescient. She gets that from them, you know.

Or maybe she's just a congenital liar.

exhelodrvr1 said...

There is only X amount of time that will be spent discussing her lies.
So she lies about insignificant things like this so that people get tired of talking about her lies, and thus ignore the lies on important issues.

Charles Kramer said...

As Christopher Hitchens wrote, they simply have "No One Left to Lie to."

I do recommend the book. Although it deals with Bill Clinton and his presidency, there is a chapter or two on Hillary.

Jason said...

Did one of her grandparents liberate Auschwitz? Under sniper fire? While keeping his doctor?

Jason said...

"Look for the Union Label"

Rumpletweezer said...

Bill smoked pot but "didn't inhale." They lie when they don't need to just to keep in practice.

hombre said...

Re Chelsea's curls: My son had very curly hair that straightened out to waves in his early 20s.

I don't think it's a rare thing.

~ Gordon Pasha said...

Lying is pervasive apparently, and infects every part of society.

"Associated Press | Apr 13, 2015
LAWTON, Okla. -- A command sergeant major at Fort Sill has been convicted of wearing unauthorized military insignia, including a Ranger Tab and the Pathfinder Badge.
Command Sgt. Maj. Perry McNeill was convicted last week by a military judge who sentenced McNeill to a demotion to sergeant first class, a letter of reprimand and to forfeit $500 in pay per month for 10 months.
The sentence must be approved by the fort's commanding general.
The Ranger Tab is awarded to those who complete Ranger School -- considered one of the Army's toughest training schools. The Pathfinder Badge goes to those who complete a school on managing helicopter landing zones, drop zones and other air-ground operations.
McNeill allegedly wore the badges between 2011 and 2014 while serving in Japan, Turkey and at Fort Sill."

Here is a man in a very high position brought low by his deliberate misrepresentations. Reminds me of ADM Boorda who as the CNO committed suicide for wearing valor insignia to which he was not entitled.

Of course Hillary! will pay no such price.

RonF said...

Hillary has lied so much about everything in her life for so long that she quite frankly can't remember what the truth is anymore. She just says whatever comes to mind.

Peter said...

Arrogance? Confidence that the press will bury reports on the lies (along with snide dismissal of any who think the lies might say something significant about the candidate)?

The press treated Benghazi that way, essentially dismissing dissenters from this view as deranged crackpots. Why would a few mis-statements about her life be treated differently?

She's arrogant because she's always gotten away with flagrant, obvious lies, and why would she think anything was different now?

And she's old, and her political reflexes (to the extent she has any) would have been formed in the pre-Internet era.

RonF said...

"... but enough people just didn't care about the lying as they enjoyed [Bill Clinton's] rascally ways"

I flew into Little Rock a few years ago, rented a car, and drove out of the airport. As I drove out I passed a billboard. It was advertising a local FM rock-themed radio station. It displayed a large likeness of Bill Clinton playing a saxophone, the logo of the station, and the quoted phrase "Carry on my wayward son ..."

Mrs Whatsit said...

Against my better judgment, and just this once, I'm going to stand up for Chelsea. She didn't say her hair went straight. She said it became wavy. It doesn't take much to straighten wavy hair -- I can almost straighten my own wavy hair just by blowing it dry with a brush. If I had the patience to fuss around with straighteners and hair products as I'm sure Chelsea does, I could probably make mine as glossy and straight as hers.

And it's not unheard of at all for hair to change its curliness. Mine was very wavy when I was a child and teenager. In my 20s, it relaxed into much looser waves. Later, during each pregnancy, it curled back up again, curlier and thicker than it ever was. Then it relaxed back into the barely-there waves and stayed like that until just recently. Now, the gray that's coming in is pretty curly and has to be beaten into submission to match the rest.

Two of my brothers and one of my sons had stick-straight silky shiny hair as little boys, that curled up tight at puberty and stayed curly ever after.

Hair changes. This one time, she might not be lying.

FullMoon said...

Maybe Hillary never actually knew her grandparents and was simply repeating family lore without thinking. You hear stuff as a kid and never relly fact check it as an adult..like Elizebeth Warren and her Cherokee blood.

Personally, I was sorely dis appointed as an adult when my Aunt Gloria informed me that there actually were no Barbary coast pirates, riverboat gamblers, Revolutionary war heros,pouneers, etc in the family history contrary to what my father had told me.
Didn't know who to be upset with, him, or her.

Scott M said...

"Why is Hillary Clinton misstating checkable facts about her life?"

1) Because she would climb a tree to tell a lie.

2) Because she actually believes her own bullshit (see: "mispeaking" about sniper fire)

3) Because she really thinks we're that stupid.

Take your pick.

St. George said...

So...a major national publication that accurately told the story of a philandering presidential candidate (Edwards) now reports that another major candidate (Clinton) is not only gay but has a string of lovers and there may be security questions involved.

Sounds like news to me!!

Roger Sweeny said...

Hillary though doesn't have the skills of a good liar. She resembles Nixon that way.

Of course, Nixon was elected president twice.

FleetUSA said...

It is in their DNA as small time politicians from Arkansas. They had to hide so much stuff from back then (payoffs, murders, etc.) that it became natural especially as Bill is such a gifted liar.

Fred Drinkwater said...

I advise startup founders about getting angel investor funding. I tell them "The most important thing you bring to the table is not your product or business. It is your personal credibility. Angels are skittish; most will walk away from you at the first sign of dishonesty or embellishment. There's always more deals in the pipeline for them to look at."
The difference between business and politics is centered in that last sentence.
CAPTCHA word: "gibel" - a nice portmanteau of "gibe" and "libel".

Basil said...

Why to Democrat voters continue to vote for people who repeatedly and blatantly lie to them (and to the rest of us?

It's a great mystery!!!!

Matthew Sablan said...

Didn't she lie/misstate about how her name was chosen?

campy said...

Why to Democrat voters continue to vote for people who repeatedly and blatantly lie to them (and to the rest of us?

The alternative is to not vote.

machine said...

Meh...so President Bush can lie us into war, but this is objectionable?!?!?

chillblaine said...

Nice rollout Hillary! The word that comes to mind is desultory.

Gahrie said...

Meh...so President Bush can lie us into war

Bush didn't lie.

All of the intelligence agencies, our and foriegn, were saying Saddam had WMD.

There is also plenty of evidence that he did have WMD, some of it was destroyed and much of it was shipped to Syria.

Gahrie said...

Basil said...
Why to Democrat voters continue to vote for people who repeatedly and blatantly lie to them


Because along with the lies comes promises of more free shit.

Darrell said...

Michelle Obama has worn a wig for her entire time in the public eye and Lefties stomp and throw things to deny it is true. How many stories has the Media put out about Michelle's beautiful hair? About cutting "her" bangs? When she recently appeared without a wig on Jeopardy, the Left swore up and down that she had her hair pulled back into a pony tail even though it is all 3/16" long. Democrat lies don't stop with Hillary.

Kyzernick said...

Bush didn't lie us into war. And yes, this is objectionable.

dreams said...

Hillary can lie because she knows it doesn't matter to anyone but Republicans and she knows the liberal media will handle those Republicans.

Roost on the Moon said...

I think the real answer is that she believes these things about her heritage, (or in the other case her hair), the way everybody believes silly unexamined things about their lives.

Of course, maybe she realizes that consumers of right-wing "news" are the republicans' own worst enemy. They can't be controlled, and have no sense of proportion. Everything is evidence for an anti-Hillary case that has been building for 25 years.

So, toss out some bait to get them yapping early, about how Chelsea lies about her hair-history, and the percentage of people who think they're ridiculous will ratchet up from slight majority to slightly larger majority.

Worked on me.

Anonymous said...

Because they're Democrats, and so they assume the press will continue not calling them on their lies.

It's worked for the last 40 years.

whitney said...

Yeah. Chelsea learned to be truthful from her parents

Sam L. said...

They've never had to lie goodly or well, as the MSM would never admit their lies occurred.

Roy Jacobsen said...

"There are four lights!"

CStanley said...

A couple of commenters, like Roost on the Moon, allude to a different reason she might do this: trolling.

This has been the MO of the Democratic Party for some time now, and it has worked pretty well. Democrat voters now reflexively excuse anything that conservatives find fault with.

Best not to feed the trolls. People who wouldn't consider voting for HC already know she's dishonest, and those who will vote for her don't care.

MathMom said...

My sister had curly hair until she started taking the Pill. Then it straightened out.

In the case of any Clinton, though, I just assume they are lying for some reason.

JackOfClubs said...

Hair losing its curl is a well documented but poorly understood phenomenon.

Michael K said...

"so President Bush can lie us into war, but this is objectionable?!?!?"

Another characteristic of the left is that they cannot tell the truth from a lie. It all depends on who says it. If a Democrat-it is gospel !

Coupe said...

Why is Hillary Clinton misstating checkable facts about her life?

The only thing I can figure, is that all American Politicians are [expletive deleted] liars.

Now it's affecting the media as well, adieu Brian Williams...

EMD said...

Meh...so President Bush can lie us into war,

That evil-but-immensely stupid fuck really duped the world over, didn't he?

He connived an entire coalition of Moron Nations. I can't comprehend how he can be such an intellectual dimwit yet manage to pull off the foreign policy heist of the century.

Coupe said...

Hmm...

curly-gate, immigrant-gate, the press always adds a gate to remind us that it's all Nixons fault...

On another note, my neighbor has been growing a goatee and he keeps pulling on it. We had him over for a BBQ in the backyard, and he asked me what I thought of his goatee.

I replied "yea, my wife has one of those too, only it don't talk."

My wife didn't appreciate the joke as much as I did...

campy said...

"Now it's affecting the media as well,

The media's always lied. Ever heard of Walter Duranty?

Unknown said...

Skeptical, I don't think that's fair.. She apparently has the skill set of helping hedge fund managers ejaculate. She seems to have demonstrated sufficient performance to get a full time job. She was wise to start this career early while still in possession of some looks.

by the way I don't recall those things so much how well the anti robot ware works on the desktop, but it seems to be dynamite on an Android phone.

Christopher B said...

I remember the original Edmund Hillary flap, and as far as repeating the story of her being his namesake goes, I'm inclined to give her something of a pass. I'm willing to bet that shortly after he became famous people started noticing the similarity, and probably after the tenth time it came up in casual conversation her parents stopped protesting that they had selected the name (obviously since she was 6) long before his Everest climb and just started to politely agree. Being a young child Hillary probably didn't understand the polite fiction at work and absorbed it as the origin of her name.

I'm less inclined to give her a pass on this one, not so much because it isn't likely that a similar family oral history is at work but because it speaks to the fact that she and her team are unwilling to do the legwork to question her assumptions. They should realize that these sort of facts are checkable and when slipped them into prepared remarks they are the sort of factoid that people like to check on. They make a useful barometer on the veracity of other more difficult to check portions of the speech.

Scott M said...

The location of handicapped parking spots are instantly "checkable" but her Scooby Doo van still managed to park in one.

However, the entire debate is moot. There's a new Star Wars trailer out.

Brando said...

"Meh...so President Bush can lie us into war, but this is objectionable?!?!?"

The war may have been a mistake, and it may have been based on mistaken assumptions, and Bush may have been wrong in his assumptions. But please explain where Bush "lied" to get us into the Iraq War (in which he fooled a majority of this country into supporting, including Democratic Senators and a number of our foreign allies). And by "lied" I don't mean "he was wrong" but I do mean "he knew that what he said was false".

If you have nothing, then stop with the "he lied us into war" nonsense. There is a distinction between making a bad--even boneheaded--call and being blatantly dishonest.

ken in tx said...

As others have commented, she just says what comes to mind, especially if it sounds good. Joe Biden does the same thing.

lgv said...

So I will grant that 25% accuracy is worse than the 50% that I'd wrongly assumed! but it still is a big "so what?" to me. And I think it's best to ignore things that really don't matter, since there will be many other lies she will tell which do matter. This trivializes it IMO.

She stated they were all immigrants. This is either true or false. It is false. There is no partial credit.

While it may seem trivial, it is an important sign. She will lie to the American people. She lied about being named after Sir Edmund. She lied about sniper fire. It is now very believable she lied about Benghazi and her two phones and emails. I liked Bill Clinton until he looked straight into the camera and said, "I did not have sex with that woman" turned out to be a lie.

When someone lies on a resume, no matter how small, you toss it in the trash. "I'm not talking about the typical "I did this and that", but say a GPA. I'v caught candidates with two falsities on their resumes. Despite liking them, you know you have to take a pass.

Scorpion - Frog.

Brando said...

Considering it is only the first week of Hillary's official candidacy, maybe it's best to take a break on being outraged by the Clintons. It'll be a long year and a half, and they'll be giving us plenty to be outraged by. And I'm sure we're going to be in for some doozies.

Coupe said...

campy said...Ever heard of Walter Duranty?

Ah, no, I was born in the 20th Century, sorry... :-)

damikesc said...

Clintons lie as second nature now. They may not even realize that they lie about everything.

Unknown said...

I don't think she lied, I think she heard or knew something about her family history that was explainable or otherwise consistent with the idea that her grandparents were immigrants. When the issue of illegal immigration needed a personal face and some humanity, she simply advanced the assumption as a fact. Same deal with being named after a famous person; after all, why else would someone name a girl Hillary.

I think she believes what she says. This is delusional, not lying. After all, wouldn't you rather have delusional President than a lying President?

Meade said...

"After all, wouldn't you rather have delusional President than a lying President?"

Jimmy Carter was a delusional president. JFK was delusional. LBJ was our greatest lying president and the most evil.

I'd gladly have Nixon back.

St. George said...

I'll say it again, the big story...the question to ask Hillary Clinton if you can get in front of her with a camera is:

"The National Enquirer is reporting that you are a lesbian and have been having extramarital affairs with women. Is this true?"

Big story.

Gigundo.

Big.

Oshbgosh said...

Like me two Scottish terriers, the Clintons will continue to misbehave until they are corrected.

Coupe said...

St. George said...I'll say it again, the big story...

That's not a big story.

The big story is the Treasury has 65 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, with a 235 million voting population, who only wants to elect candidates from two hillbilly families.

CStanley said...

Lgv- I'd have tossed her resume in the trash long ago. Unfortunately this isn't a job interview though, as much as I'd like it to be. It's an election where their side will take known liabilities like her dishonesty and (with media complicity) make them into gains for her. Half of the idiot voters in the country think that the people who call her out on lies are the ones who are wrong, and will see her as a victim.

I think the best strategy for the GOP is to ignore the stupid stuff. Treat her like a child who is acting out to get attention. By ignoring, you are not condoning but you're working at extinguishing the bad behavior.

CStanley said...

I mean think about it- the woman has admitted to running a shadow state department and risking national security with her personal server. Talking about her exaggeration of family history is like getting outraged about a bank robber jaywalking while he makes his getaway.

Sternhammer said...

As much as I hate the Clintons, I have to agree with a couple other commenters about the hair. My wife had tight curls her whole life (I loved it). When she had our first son her hair straightened out. Kind of barely wavy now. I miss it.

Anything that happened before you were a conscious person you are relying on your family to tell you what happened. I might be wrong about some of the things I believe about the family.

Hillary has told a bunch of other lies, though, and checkable ones. Why does she do it? I would guess she feels trapped. That's when most people lie. I think Hillary has terrible anxiety and self-doubt, and she doesn't handle it well. It isn't surprising, because she is always comparing herself to someone more competent. And that more competent person treats her horribly, constantly humiliating her. And then she has a burden of guilt over the wrongs she has committed against the women he assaulted. I'm surprised she isn't crazier than she is.

And, as someone else noted, the fear of being caught lying doesn't work as a disincentive, because most of the media does try to help her. They may not like her, but they hate the republicans a lot more.

Meade, I'm curious why you say that LBJ was the evilest Prez. How you figure?

Barry Dauphin said...

Both WJC and HRC want to create a mystique (cf. Kennedy/Camelot), which involves manipulating the information they put in front of the listener. Even "little" lies are important. In this case, the theme of being for the "little" people by being one of them. She can claim to have misspoken (even persuade folks questioning her statements to say she misstated the facts) and that somebody from her family was an immigrant, so it's all good, no need to worry about the details, maybe even try to cast fact checkers as pedants. On to the next little lie.

Michael K said...

"If you have nothing, then stop with the "he lied us into war" nonsense. There is a distinction between making a bad--even boneheaded--call and being blatantly dishonest."

They can't stop. It's like being gay. It's out of their control. Someone says "Bush" and the lefty says "Bush lied people died." It's a reflex somehow.

It's an improvement on when they used to say, "If only Comrade Stalin knew about this !"

Rhythm and Balls said...

Why lie about things you don't even need to lie about, things that can be checked? Why lie so badly?

It's their identity to do so.

Bill taught his girls that they have to learn to believe their own lies to make them more credible.

But Hill's still too passionless for me to discern when she's even managed to at least convince herself of something.

Coupe said...

Sternhammer said...Meade, I'm curious why you say that LBJ was the evilest Prez

It's common knowledge that LBJ had Kennedy killed. His mistress confirmed it years and years ago.

That's pretty evil...

Big Mike said...

But, but, Hillary flew back to New Joisey coach. Coach class! Does that not demonstrate that she's a woman of the people right there?

How dare people check up on her lies?!? It's merest puffery and none of their business. So there.

8-P

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

Why lie about things you don't even need to lie about, things that can be checked? Why lie so badly?

It is what pathological liars do. But you knew that, didn't you, Prof?

Big Mike said...

Clinton was, however, photographed pulling her own suitcase down an airport concourse.

So there! Just like you and I. A true woman of the people.

(Hat tip: Drudge)

Henry said...

Well, thank God that no Photoshop was applied to her figure.

gadfly said...

Hill figures that Pocahontas got more popular by using the "my family always said" meme - so Ms Rodham "remembers" all the discussions her grandparents had on the subject of immigrating.

Unlike Lizzy Warren, Hillary does not have high cheekbones, but she most certainly displays more cheekiness than our Indian princess.

Æthelflæd said...

My hair went from way to very curly in my 20s. I always wondered if it had to do with pregnancy, etc. My Mom's straight hair was curly for about 2 years after she had chemo, then it gradually straightened out again. So I will give Chelsea the benefit of the doubt on this one.

RecChief said...

who was it that called her a congenital liar?

I think he was right. she can't stop herself. I think in journalism, she would be called a fabulist. If the presidency doesn't happen, maybe she can get a job writing for Rolling Stone.

Michael The Magnificent said...

Number of left-wing posters upset with Hillary's dishonesty: ZERO!

So why be honest, of honesty is not a trait valued among the left?

Indeed, lies are a leftist's stock in trade, as demonstrated by "President Bush can lie us into war..."

St. George said...

Coupe--

You're right about unfunded liabilities, but that won't play with low-information voters, and when the economy does tank (and, boy, will it...Goodbye post-war era and dollar dominance), it will somehow get blamed on the GOP.

But it's not a scandal scandal or an issue-yet-to-blow that will keep her off-message, especially since it's possible her lover is her aide, Abedin.

Here's what the Enquirer story says:

"Hillary is particularly concerned about intimate emails to longtime aide Huma Abedin – who married U.S. Representative Anthony Weiner in a ceremony that many ridiculed as a political arrangement. Anthony later resigned over extramarital sexting scandals, after porn star Sydney Leathers said that she believed he was in an open marriage.

“I think a lot of the time when we were speaking, Huma was probably with Hillary,” she charged, at the time.

One exchange between the women had Hillary mistakenly responding to political correspondence with an email that seemed to be about decorating.

Added the insider: “That makes you wonder if any sensitive information was sent to her romantic partners!”

And that's the issue, really, not sexuality, but can Clinton be trusted with official secrets.

Unknown said...

"can Clinton be trusted with official secrets," she certainly can't be trusted to handle them according to the law.

I may have it wrong, but I think LBJ took social security into general revenue to support a new welfare state which he called "The Great Society." The impact of TGS was predicable, government dependency, and the impact of using social security money was also predictable, eventual insolvency. It as also a great illustration of why fed gov should be limited -- it can't be trusted when there's "extra" money laying around. Many States have a "rainy day" fund to cover harsh financial times, the fed gov increases taxes (and increases spending in lush financial times).

Rusty said...

"Remember, Jerry."
"It isn't a lie if YOU believe it."

Steven Wilson said...

Where I grew up in West Virginia the descriptive phrase was "so and so would climb a tree to tell a lie rather than stand and on the ground and tell the truth."
I have always considered that the Clintons carry trees around for that very purpose. Take them to the Sahara and they would struck dumb.

Sammy Finkelman said...

These facts are checkable, but not instantaneously, and not everybody is ready to doubt them, and the only thing that matters to a Clinton is if they can fool most of the people, most of the time.

And they lie about public policy matters, too!

Sammy Finkelman said...

Tank said...

Thinking about the shadow journalism today (ie. the internet), I wonder if Bill C could have been elected now.

4/16/15, 9:46 AM

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And they still don't know the truth about Bill Clinton. I mean most people actually think he grew up in Hope, Arkansas, not mob-dominated Hot Springs, Arkansas, where the political machine was run by "retired" gangster, and according to Jimmy Breslin, the Founder of organized crime in America, Owen Vincent "Owney the Killer" Madden (1892-1965)

And I found out a lot in 1992, from some newspaper columns, and talk radio, and library research with which I followed it up.

Maybe now there are some more bloggers, but to mean anything it has to go viral.

Sammy Finkelman said...

Later on, Shirley Temple Abbott, actually got away with a letter to the New York Times, in which she claimed that the machine was defunct by the time Bill Clinton was growing up. But that's not true - it came back.

Bill Clinton's step-uncle, Raymond Clinton, was an important member of the machine.

Sammy Finkelman said...

By the way, just like Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton even once claimed to have Indian ancestry!

http://www.wargs.com/political/rodham.html

In her autobiography, Living History, Sen. Clinton describes her maternal grandmother as “one of nine children from a family of French Canadian, Scottish and Native American ancestry”. No records have been found to support this claimed Native American ancestry.

Living History was published in 2003.

Rusty said...

Apparently a rigorous 5th estate is only necessary if a republican is running for office.

Sammy Finkelman said...

The lie that Chelsea Clinton may be saying is that she doesn't know why her hair changed.

Chelsea Clinton used to be more honest. I remember looking at her face in 1992 on TV and saw how she looked - she evidently didn't like it when her father claimed he had balanced 11 budgets in a row.

(Arkansas had a 2-year budget, and also Bill Clinton hadn't been Governor for 11 years "in a row" He lost his re-election bid in 1980 and came back in 1982, probably with the help of money that Don Lasater made smuggling cocaine into Mena airport. (not the CIA of course! And it was all over by the time aid was cut off to the contras)

Nobody ever called him - or Al Gore - they both said it - this was a point they didn't want people to miss - on this business of budgets balanced "11 years in a row" business - as if it would have meant anything anyway.

Kirk Parker said...

Ask Christopher Hitchens.

Kirk Parker said...

"Apparently a rigorous 5th estate is only necessary if a republican is running for office. "

Rip van Winkle wakes up... ;-)