Telling Coy [Mathis] “that she must disregard her identity while performing one of the most essential human functions constitutes severe and pervasive treatment, and creates an environment that is objectively and subjectively hostile, intimidating or offensive,” Steven Chavez, the division director, wrote in the decision....
It was clear, the state said, that Coy had completely integrated into society as a girl — wearing girls’ clothing, standing in the girls’ line at school and choosing to play with girls.
But the state’s ruling went even further, saying that evolving research on transgender development showed that “compartmentalizing a child as a boy or a girl solely based on their visible anatomy, is a simplistic approach to a difficult and complex issue.”
June 23, 2013
"A Colorado school district discriminated against a transgender first grader when it refused to let her use the girl’s bathroom..."
"... the state’s civil rights division has determined, a decision gay and transgender advocates say will have an indelible impact on how such cases are handled in the future."
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I think those straight men otherwise known as "creeps" might be taking advantage of this ruling in the future.
"Why were you in the girl's bathroom?"
"I think I'm a woman."
"Yes, but why are you spying on the other girls in the girl's bathroom?"
"I think I'm a lesbian."
It became a complex issue only after a few assumptions were made.
Tags: Hell, Handbasket.
Now nobody will protect the children from the sexually perverted...
Send the parents to jail & the kid to a new home
Send the parents to jail & the kid to a new home
That's what "small-government conservatives" like, using the power of the State to break up homes and take children away!
vive la simplicité
How on earth can you tell whether a first grader is transgender, versus "Just quirky?"
I'd like to see followup articles on these kids in 20 years...
Child abuse.
How the Hell can a kid be transgender?
Don't you have to have surgery for that?
I've never met anybody from CO who wasn't weird.
Now I know why.
Would anyone who supports this idea please explain it slowly? I promise not to complain.
Doesn't Occam tell us the simple answer is usually the right one?
Perhaps we should stop having boys and girls bathrooms and just switch to having bathrooms for persons with a penis and bathrooms for persons without a penis. Now we don't discriminate on gender anymore.
Yes, but then someone would complain about someone else pointing at them.
Nobody made a funny about his/her name being Coy? Then I won't either.
Three bathrooms. One for transgender and two for normals.
My god ! A first grader ! I'd like to see this in 20 years too, but won't be here. Thank God.
wearing girls’ clothing, standing in the girls’ line at school and choosing to play with girls
Why do they have the boys and girls line up separately for anything other than the bathroom?
I was class clown.
If this crap had been going on when I was in high school, I would have been in the prinicpal's office demanding to use the girl's locker room, bathrooms and to play on girl's sports teams.
DAN said...
"Tags: Hell, Handbasket."
No, not to worry.
The Democrats will fix this, once they take responsibility for it.
Deirdre Mundy said...
"How on earth can you tell whether a first grader is transgender, versus "Just quirky?"
"I'd like to see followup articles on these kids in 20 years..."
There will not be any such articles.
For, if there were, they'd report that all the adults involved, starting with the parents, either were nuts, or totally abrogated their responsibilities.
Palladian,
I don't recall "stick" commenting here before now. Do you have any evidence that "stick" is a small government conservative?
"Why do they have the boys and girls line up separately for anything other than the bathroom?"
Habit.
Nevermind the larger question of identifying a 1st grader as transgender, but girls' bathrooms have doors on the stalls so what would be the privacy issue for first graders here?
Boys are girls, girls are boys, cold is hot, appeasement is strength, debt is good, more debt is better, the US is bad, Cuba is good, 2 + 2 =5
Thank goodness for the Ministry of Truth
a transgender first grader?
A first grader?
"Gahrie said...
I was class clown.
If this crap had been going on when I was in high school, I would have been in the prinicpal's office demanding to use the girl's locker room, bathrooms and to play on girl's sports teams."
To be honest, I could see any number of my HS friends doing this if it had been an option in the 1970's. Me? Too inhibited to do it. Wonder how my current employer would feel if I started dressing funny and insisting on...
Will the feminists protest? They might make it stick.
This is what bugs me: children don't have a clue about what "boys" and "girls" are except by external cues: "girls like pink and dresses and have long hair, boys play sports and roughhouse and have short hair. I like the things girls like; therefore I am a girl."
And instead of saying, "it's OK to play with dolls/want long hair/pretty things even if you're a boy" the new answer is to say, "yeah, you're right, you're a girl."
What happened to "free to be you and me" and "William wants a doll"? Margo Thomas, where are you?
I agree, though, that there's no reason for boys' lines and girls' lines -- or anything else that unnecessarily splits boys and girls. For small children in daycare, there is no boys and girls split in bathrooms. At my son's daycare, in the 4's room, the stalls were short enough that the adults could see over to know who needed help, and half the time the children didn't close the door anyway.
For younger elementary school children, there's also not a clear reason to worry. But young children turn into older children and teenagers. And for every boy wanting to use the girls' room, isn't there a girl wanting to use the boys' room, urinals and all?
And what do high schools do when a boy claims to be a girl and wants to play sports? Anyone?
I realize that we are all for tolerance and all, but can we not foist sexual hangups on first graders?And if they say they are transgender as a six year old, don't go along with them. Tell them, wait till you're 16 and then we'll have this conversation again.
Also, Im not saying we should hate anyone or hurt anyone, but can we not say that transgender people might need pyschiatric help?Because you're not changing your sex. Youre getting fake penis or vagina added to your body. It's all fake. You're still the same sex.
Prior to the ability to create transgenders, how many people suffered from the affliction of being in the wrong sex?
Tyranny of the minority.
That said, the only solution is to reject every and all standards, whether objective, subjective, or selective. I suggest we begin with opening The White House bathrooms to the public, whether male, female, or confused.
It's kind of funny, to see old folks like Prof. Althouse try to make sense of the modern world. She's a standard-issue feminist of fifty years ago, and "difference feminism," which is pretty much as orthodox as breathing oxygen among everyone under fifty, leaves her confused and unhappy. And she's a standard-issue gay rights supporter, and these weird transgender advocates come from out of left field, deploy the same rhetoric which she was so happy to deploy against others, and completely befuddle her.
Well, that is world the boomer generation will leave behind.
Those who find it hard to believe the child could manifest this identity as early as first grade haven't read the article. It started much earlier.
How about just being a boy who likes to play girls' games.
So if the child manifest that she was a dog, we should put a collar on her, feed her on the floor, and play along?
In second grade, one girl in class would let you look under her skirt for a quarter. I never had to ask for a refund, and that's what made this country great.
@jr565
Prior to the ability to create transgenders, how many people suffered from the affliction of being in the wrong sex?
Well, if the Roman historian Cassius Dio is to be believed, the Roman Emperor Elagabalus was one such
individual.
Also, 19th century homosexual activists in Northern Europe sometimes spoke of themselves as urnings,, that is, women stuck in the bodies of men. How much this involved simply a not-too-scientific attempt at self-understanding versus being men who longed to be physically women I don't know enough about to say. But the language of transgender desire is definitely there.
Those who find it hard to believe the child could manifest this identity as early as first grade haven't read the article.
I read the article and am not persuaded. I'd venture to say that the child was a tool of the gay and lesbian advocates. No first-grader has the cognition to understand gender difference, transgender identity.
Crayons, yes.
Born biologically a boy, Coy began identifying as a girl after just a few years, growing her wispy blond hair long, wearing dresses, and telling family and friends they should refer to her as female.
So apparently Coy began running the family by age 6, telling his/her parents how long s/he was going to grow his/her hair, telling his/her parent when s/he needed to go shopping for dresses, etc.
That, to me, is the aggravating part of this story -- that these parents have abdicated their responsibilities and let Coy have whatever Coy wanted.
also, I don wonder about feminists and transgendered. Because here the feminists have been saying for the longest that gender doesn't matter, and have been trying to remake the world along those lines. And in fact are predicating defense of gay marriage on the idea that men and women are interchangable, and that sex is irrelevant. Anytime someone mentions traditional roles of men and women they get the third degree.
And yet here are some people lumped into the coalition who say sex matters more than anything. So much so that they have to take drastic measures to remake their body so they are the correct sex.
If sex doesn't matter, why would you need to change your sex?
When this child grows up, she may appreciate how this is being handled, or she may say "what the hell were you thinking?" We'll see.
Sounds like he's being used in an experiment to me.
do you htink his parents naming him Coy might have had something to do with him thinking he was a girl?
Astro wrote:
So apparently Coy began running the family by age 6, telling his/her parents how long s/he was going to grow his/her hair, telling his/her parent when s/he needed to go shopping for dresses, etc.
and some girls are tomboys and like to do all the things that boys do, but don't grow up thinking they are really boys. Lets let his hormones kick in, lets see who is attracted to before we pigeon hole him as a transgender and chop of his penis.
I think the penis/no penis solution might be the answer.
It's pretty obvious if you have one or not and if someone gets upset about having to prove it one way or the other they're the ones who started the whole thing so they can be the ones to be inconvenienced.
So according to the Left, if your child wants to be a princess, that is a bad thing... unless your child happens to be a boy who wants to be a princess. Then you should pump them full of female hormones and start finding a doctor to do the surgery.
God help the young man this boy grows up to be. If he ever decides that he wants to just be a normal boy, he's going to be fighting years of indoctrination. His parents are either encouraging mental illness, or engaging in simple negligence.
Perhaps we should stop having boys and girls bathrooms and just switch to having bathrooms for persons with a penis and bathrooms for persons without a penis. Now we don't discriminate on gender anymore.
I like this idea, but the "penis bathroom" should be all urinals. All sit down shit down jobs for the stalls.
JR565,
It's all about the malleability of truth. If the most basic physical truths, like whether or not you're male or female (a chromosomal fact, except for a very small number of people) is open to interpretation, then anything else is.
"I smell ... fear here.
of a little girl..."
Yes, that true. A little girl with a penis, who is told long before she is able to understand it that she was born some kind of physical freak. The adults are telling her this, because they thought it up.
If this crap had been going on when I was in high school, I would have been in the prinicpal's office demanding to use the girl's locker room, bathrooms and to play on girl's sports teams.
Fuckin' A, Bubba!
From the article (emphases mine)
“This is the first ruling in the nation that holds that transgender students be allowed to use bathrooms that match who they are,” he said. “There are thousands of families like the Mathises who are feeling relieved and vindicated that the commission ruled that Coy is a girl just like any other girl.”
The hubris expressed in those bolded statements is just stunning. "Who they are" Of a 6 years old? Really? "Coy is a girls..like any other". No, the poor child is not, because little girls don't have penises, and, like it or not, this poor child has a terribly tough row to hoe growing up, and no transgender legal triumphalism is going to change that.
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world....
I've read up on these parents. There is a little something wrong with them. All of their children are autistic, except for Coy. Who is now transgendered. Coincidence? Also, the issue wasn't about a first grader using a bathroom stall, the issue was what do we do about it when junior high comes around and there is a locker room to change in? The school wanted Coy to use an either/or bathroom by itself. I think that's a reasonable accommodation. The parents sued. Who's the ones being unreasonable?
First grade??
Hell, I didn't even know that girls were different. They were just puuuurrrdy.
Well...I kinda knew cuz I wanted to kiss them, but it was all above the belt!!
A few years later.....I can REALLY make you happy.
"you're a dying childless bachelor, right.
kids are smarter than you know."
I raised two, one is a lesbian, so I have plenty of first hand experience, and you have what?
Boy wants to grow his hair out long. Answer, "Little boys get their hair cut short. When you're 18, you can wear it however you want."
Boy wants to wear dresses. Answer "Boys can wear dresses to bed. They're called nightshirts."
Boy wants to play with teasets and dolls. Answer "Who the heck cares. Have a Cabbage Patch kid and a play kitchen." Sheesh. Why do all these things turn into existential crises?
My boys play with dolls and kitchens. My girls play with trucks and trains. We only step in with toy choices if playing becomes 'flinging stuff at each other's head.' They all thwack each other with nerf swords.
How is this hard??
If all schooling was private, would this even be a problem? Keep the state the hell out of the decision. It would be between the parents and school, and established ahead of time in the contract that each party signed when the kid was enrolled.
Also, in my experience, when a small boy demands to grow his hair out, it's not wanting to be a girl. It's hating the barber. Lollipops and a really cool barber can work wonders.
On the other hand--- since teachers perceive girls as smarter and better behaved than boys, perhaps these parents are making a rational decision so that their child receives fair treatment in school.....
Teach gender roles in elementary schools as Congressman Gingrey suggests, he's a doc. Isn't he?
Problem solved!
nope, best to m.y.o.b.
This isn't about society peeking into the windows. The parents are demanding that the rest of us go along with their little fucked up world, to acknowledge it and validate it. By putting that boy in the girls bathroom, and by extension the rest of the girls' facilities as he goes through school, the school is sending the message that they agree with what the parents are doing and putting their needs ahead of the objections of any other parents.
the kid needs a good beatdown. that'll learn him.
No, but his parents probably do.
Odd thing is . . . (according to a web search) the parents insisted she wear "boy's clothes" until that point when they officially "transitioned" her into a girl. So they pretty much insisted on an either/or: if you like girly things, you have to be a girl. Being a boy who liked girly things wasn't an option.
A Colorado school district discriminated against a transgender first grader...
I had to stop reading right there and pause for a bit... and wonder what it might mean and what it might lead me to react should those words linked together liked that mean what I think they mean.
Something tells me don't overreact its just a phase she will grow out of it... but then, does that mean early trans-gendering could be like getting a tattoo?
I don't have children... Why Am I worrying about this?... I have my answer... Its none of my business.
Nothing to see here... move along.
I was really scared there for a minute.
Ann,
Those who find it hard to believe the child could manifest this identity as early as first grade haven't read the article. It started much earlier.
Yes, I read the article. The child is now six. The article says that years earlier, Coy was growing her hair long and wearing dresses. Show me a three-year-old who chooses his/her own clothing and hairstyles, and I might possibly believe that Coy's gender identity is not influenced by his/her parents.
Bago, don't engage with the bitter one. (I rarely give advice).
So these parents had a boy and name him Coy? Or did the Coy moniker emerge with the long wispy hair and dresses?
At my kids' school, it was always my impressions that students went to the bathroom one at a time. It doesn't matter, then, what bathroom they use.
what boy? this is about a lil girl. ask her, her parents, playmates or teachers.
So you do hate this boy. I suspect it is not limited to just this boy...
Mom is a part-time, studio-at-home photographer (http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/ -- an older interview, where, when she had to get work done, she turned the tube on for the kids). Big sis, and triplet brother autistic. Triplet sister severely brain-damaged. Probably not getting "boys are bad" signals from mom & dad, but prior to the attention from being "transgender" probably suffered from attention-deficit disorder -- that is, lack of attention by being the "good kid" without needs.
Does this child have an unusual genetic condition? Don't care to read the whole article, and I didn't find anything searching on "gene" or "chromo".
Which gets to my hypothetical:If the child is an actual XY male and still decides "he" wants to be a "she", can the child insist on gender reassignment surgery? What if the parents decide for such surgery? What do the courts decide about a minor that wants (or whose parents want) irrevocable & serious surgery done to themselves?
...
O brave new world, That has such people in't!
jr565,
Lets let his hormones kick in, lets see who is attracted to before we pigeon hole him as a transgender and chop of his penis.
Oh, you'd be surprised how involved this stuff can get. I remember an article in one of the SF Bay Area "alternative" free papers a long time ago (somewhere in the 90s) featuring a MTF transsexual (post-operative) who identified as lesbian. That is, she was biologically male, had been surgically altered so as to appear female, and was attracted only to women.
"Bago, don't engage with the bitter one"
Of course, your right, but I saw it stalking around like a rabid leopard, and just felt like taking a few shot at it. I didn't use the good ammo.
Some of you probably weren't around when the crazy one first appeared here and elsewhere. Just don't engage with her. If Charlie Manson had a blogger account he'd be about as coherent and charming.
Bagoh, you could always throw a beer can at a stalking leopard, ya know. You don't have to shoot it.
Is it permissible to say "fuck you in the teeth you perverted bastards who are pulling down civilization?" Notice I did not restrict this to Western civilization. All civilized people of any stripe know this is madness.
So if Said Child was Precocious and Read Camus and Kafka Precociously And Decided Life is Not Worth Living Do We Let the Child Make the Determination that He/She wants a 26th Quarter Abortion upon His/Her Self?
Which gets to my hypothetical:If the child is an actual XY male and still decides "he" wants to be a "she", can the child insist on gender reassignment surgery? What if the parents decide for such surgery? What do the courts decide about a minor that wants (or whose parents want) irrevocable & serious surgery done to themselves?
They should castrate before puberty. Transgendered personalities are one thing but the world's not ready for hirsute women.
Today I caught on the teevee while passing, didn't linger because it was annoying, the Colorado government station, a young woman was bragging about all the social projects that Denver Public Schools is becoming known for. At the moment I passed through she was remarking that visitors from other states are coming here, studying Denver's success, using Denver and Colorado as model for their own programs. I did linger but only momentarily, the vocabulary drove me off, fairness, justice, awareness, access, she was talking about social things so her subject was tangentially political and I was reminded the whole Colorado ballot was populated with people who came up through the Denver public school system. The Democrats in Denver have transformed DPS, parlayed it into political machinery that produces Democrat candidates for various offices, all offices, and that is all that is available on the ballot with a few exceptions. It is actually not so easy to research either because they're claiming to have non-party ballots while laughing privately because they're ALL Democrats. And we end up with schoolmarm legislators that pass legislation overly liberal for the rest of the state and truly believe they are fighting the good fight. You know the rest. Sheriffs protesting, recalls started, but all that is the price to be paid for progress whether or not we troglodytes want any such thing as gun control.
Proud of everything but teaching in the portion that I heard. And because of that, because Party is using state resources for Party, now that it's ruined, I must vote against k-12 education here every chance that I have, to strangle it, until that is corrected, probably never.
Only if the child threatens to quote Derrida at us, betamax, only then.
Those who find it hard to believe the child could manifest this identity as early as first grade haven't read the article. It started much earlier.
I don't know why but I'm getting a Ginsu Knives Commercial vibe here.
But wait... There's more...
Now how much would you pay?
It is So Much Easier to Let Pre-School Children Choose to Abort Themselves; that -- of course -- is what 'Goo Goo Goo' means.
Transgendered personalities are one thing but the world's not ready for hirsute women.
Oh, man, so many jokes there .... Must ... exercise ... restraint!
rhhardin said...
It became a complex issue only after a few assumptions were made.
Can we assume that homeschooling was out of the question?
I do sense a certain vindictiveness in the parent's attitude.
Uncle Derrida says:
By Wanting to Post-Modernly Sleep with You, Small Child, I am Confirming the Adult World Within You That Makes Such Decisions Your Own Despite your Socially-Determined Age.
Yes, the Lollipop is Strawberry.
since teachers perceive girls as smarter and better behaved than boys
I don't know what teachers perceive (even though my wife is one) but I can tell you what I perceive when her high school's National Honor Society has its semi-annual pot luck party at our house. There are more girls than boys. The girls are smarter and less geeky. They have been accepted at more prestigious schools, such as MIT and Carnegie-Melon. And finally, the girls have better social skills.
since teachers perceive girls as smarter and better behaved than boys
I don't know what teachers perceive (even though my wife is one) but I can tell you what I perceive when her high school's National Honor Society has its semi-annual pot luck party at our house. There are more girls than boys. The girls are smarter and less geeky. They have been accepted at more prestigious schools, such as MIT and Carnegie-Melon. And finally, the girls have better social skills.
Show me a three-year-old who chooses his/her own clothing and hairstyles, and I might possibly believe that Coy's gender identity is not influenced by his/her parents.
The earliest memory I have of my younger brother is when he was three years old and he borrowed a blue dress with a white collar from our sister and went out to play with the other kids. Within a few minutes he came back inside crying.
This was 1959 and my parents had nothing to do with it. He grew up seemingly straight, a cool surfer kid. He got mixed up in drugs and was dead before he left his teens, his sexuality unclear.
Human beings are very complicated. Their sexuality too. I think it's possible that a child could identity with the other gender. I think it's possible that a child could go through a phase like that. And I think it's possible that a child could respond to some weird parental programming on that score.
But almost all of us, I suspect, have insides that don't entirely match the outside roles we have in society. There are limits to how much society should shape itself to accommodate all the millions of psychological configurations people come in.
The comments are deteriorating. But the Washington Post's article "Transgender at Five" says that 80% of such kids, later on, say, yeah, I guess I am a [whatever] after all."
This is how people end up thinking they are a leopard and get spots tattooed all over them and file their teeth down to fangs, or get the tongues split because they think they are a lizard or some shit.
I'm serious about my question of what if the child decided at 3 years old that he was a cat or a dog. Would you encourage that? Support it? Insist that others accept it? If not, why not?
The most elusive thing in our culture now days is a lie. They have figured out how to hide as some deeper truth.
Re: "Transgender at Five" says that 80% of such kids, later on, say, yeah, I guess I am a [whatever] after all."
The Math is Even Better with Five-Year Old "I'm=a=Pony" Kids. 85% -- 95% if you Count Unicorn Wishes.
or get the tongues split because they think they are a lizard or some shit.
"You don't even know who you're dealing with. You don't even know my real name - I AM THE FUCKING LIZARD KING!"
The most elusive thing in our culture now days is a lie. They have figured out how to hide as some deeper truth.
That's what you do when you sell a big lie, you wrap it up in the truth to make it more palatable. ~Sherlock Holmes
Children are being multilated in obesiance to political correctness. Someday people will look back in horror and disbelief that this happened, the way we look back at the eunuchs and castrati of the Middle Ages and Renaissance. And I fear there will be rash of suicides among adults, remorseful that they were so blinded by ideology that they subjected their children to this quackery and pseudoscience.
Gene, Is it really surprising that more girls than guys would show up at a potluck party, be less geeky, and show better social skills. That's like saying they are more girl-like than the boys. Hasn't this always been true?
FFS. COY IS NOT A GIRL. He is a boy and he is faaaar too young to have decided that he is transgender.
He does NOT have the right to use the girls' bathrooms, and whatever rights he DOES have do NOT trump the rights of the girls not to have a boy in their bathroom!
This reminds me of the Who Song I'm A Boy, but in reverse. In that song the mother dresses the boy up like a girl because she wants a girl, but he just wants to do boys stuff> He's a boy he's boy but his mom wont admint,and if he says he is he gets it.
The who wrote it as a dystopian future type song. The song was supposed to be part of a musical that he intended to write, where parents of the future were allowed to choose the sex of their children. The singer's mother has selected four girls, and by mistake, three girls and one boy were born instead.So she dresses him up like a girl.
The future is now. Only now a six year old with no context of the real world, or even an inkling of what sex is about is telling their parents what they are sexually.
Kids say they are alot of things. Parents should be parents and put their foot down on this kids need to change his sex. If, when he's 18 he still wants to do it, god help him. But at 6? that's crazy.
Remember, this is the BOY whose own mother described him in her blog (which is your first clue as to who is really behind this whole situation) as her only neuro-typical child, and who is seen dressing as a boy in a family photo, and who did NOT start dressing and acting like a girl years ago, as she is now claiming.
Someday people will look at the language in this "civil rights" decision and wonder what happened to make everyone so stupid.
People wonder that now, but sadly they don't have the wherewithal to make a difference. When did a few social progressives get the power to make such stupid utterances stick?
We are well and truly doomed.
'...and so is Lola!'
Sorry, it was an interview promoting her photography business, not a blog.
The civil rights folks in CO are out of their mind. My sister had a phase similar to this when young where she did the whole boys' haircut thing and insisted people call her a boy. And then it passed and she went back to being a girl long before puberty hit.
The point is, children have more of a fluid sense of identity than adults do. How many boys have thought they were Superman or some other super hero at some point, or an animal or cartoon? The adults are supposed to know better and while the behavior might be indulged, they're at least expected to know better than to take it all seriously at that age.
Side question - if Coy at some point later decides to identify as male, does he still have the "right" to use the girls' facilities, or is that a right that depends on what gender he or his parents think he is at any given point in time?
Immigration problem solved in one: Yo no soy un mexicano. Soy un gato.
Comes with a 3 squares, a spot at the animal shelter, and the ability to be adopted for $20.
Bonus: If we legally are what we fantasize ourselves to be we can eliminate crime by next Tuesday.
Going to the bathroom should not be a "sexualized" activity. A person should go the bathroom that best accommodates the biological plumbing that they have. If you have a penis, you should use the male bathroom. There's a practical reason why it's different from the female bathroom.
loudogblog -- And without urinals, little boys get pee ALL over the place. Don't the girls have a right to a non-sticky floor?
Birches said...
I've read up on these parents. There is a little something wrong with them. All of their children are autistic, except for Coy. Who is now transgendered. Coincidence? Also, the issue wasn't about a first grader using a bathroom stall, the issue was what do we do about it when junior high comes around and there is a locker room to change in? The school wanted Coy to use an either/or bathroom by itself. I think that's a reasonable accommodation. The parents sued. Who's the ones being unreasonable?
Sounds like an extension of Munchausen-syndrome-by-proxy to me.
When I was a kid back in the '60s in west Texas, one of my dad's friends was a man named Coy. Not totally unheard of as a man's name, in other words.
Actually, according to the LGBTQWERYUIOPASDFHJKZXCVNM guide, this kid is a Q for Questioning.
In all point of fact, he's just an IP - Idiot Parents.
Inga said...
Teach gender roles in elementary schools as Congressman Gingrey suggests, he's a doc. Isn't he?
Problem solved!
Even better, teach the She Devil of the SS not to pollute the post making stupid comments intended to suck up to the proprietress.
Of course, your right, but I saw it stalking around like a rabid leopard, and just felt like taking a few shot at it. I didn't use the good ammo.
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ah violence... the refuge of cowards...
you could always throw a beer can
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fuck you in the teeth you perverted bastards...
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ah violence... the refuge of cowards...
They should castrate before puberty
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ah violence... the refuge of cowards...
There are more girls than boys. The girls are smarter and less geeky. They have been accepted at more prestigious schools, such as MIT and Carnegie-Melon. And finally, the girls have better social skills.
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The boys can't compete once they've been taught to play the victim card...
poor boys.
He does NOT have the right to use the girls' bathrooms,
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The law currently says otherwise.
You gonna do something violent to change that ?
one of my dad's friends was a man named Coy.
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first they try to dictate gender roles... then they try to tell you what you can name you can name your kid.
unfree men bristle @ freedom. Lots o' bitter 'men' in madison wi.
And without urinals, little boys get pee ALL over the place.
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sounds like a parenting problem to me. he's either rebelling against an awfully overcontrolling mom
or needs a man to teach him aim...
or is your son pretending to be a dog peeing on the floor?
You know, maybe they should have let the kid try a mullet. Socially acceptable long hair for boys!
(Another option I just remembered: During the school year, dress code says you need to keep your hair short, but honey, you can grow it out over the summer......)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/16/female-teachers-give-male_n_1281236.html
Again, in today's climate, maybe a boy masquerading as a girl is reasonable, just like all those old stories of women masking as men to get ahead and defeat gender stereotypes. Paging Helen Smith.....
During the school year, dress code says you need to keep your hair short, but honey, you can grow it out over the summer......)
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ah-- you are in one of those crappy school districts where the admins have to play parental roles...
tradeoff for the free breakfasts. Security over liberty...
SO, if the 1st grader thinks he wants to be a tractor when he gets big, his potty breaks are going to be in a car shop, right?
If one has a penis, one is most decidedly not "a girl, just like any other." Sorry, that's not how it works, regardless of any propaganda from GLAAD to the contrary.
"Transgendered" may very well just be a form of crazy. This is supported by the science, unlike the pro-tranny crowds assertions to the contrary.
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/02/surgical-sex--35
“We knew that this was discrimination."
Having boys and girls bathrooms is discrimination. Big deal.
"'Yes, it is very clearly harassment,’"
It is very clearly not harassment.
The poor kid's mental problems should be addressed.
icepick said: "Does this child have an unusual genetic condition? Don't care to read the whole article, and I didn't find anything searching on "gene" or "chromo"."
For liberals, human genes only determine trivial characteristics like eye color, and non-trivial characteristics, especially personality and extra-especially cognition, are independent of genetics.
"Perhaps we should stop having boys and girls bathrooms and just switch to having bathrooms for persons with a penis and bathrooms for persons without a penis. Now we don't discriminate on gender anymore. "
Actually we do have boys and girls bathromms.
Not masculine and feminine bathrooms.
Bathrooms are already divided by sex not by gender. There may be any number and type of genders but there are still only two sexes.
Of course the law does not have to recognize that, the law in its majesty can invent anything.
But that doesn't make it so.
If the poor little thing thinks he's Superman, are they going to court to allow him to jump off the roof?
They have been accepted at more prestigious schools, such as MIT and Carnegie-Melon.
Not while I was at Carnegie-Mellon. 68% male for crying outside! Having Pitt next door wasn't much of a tonic either ... have you seen Pitt girls?
Should've transferred to UCLA when I had the chance.
Wait until he hits middle school, and the hormones kick in. You know, the voice change, the fuzz on the chin, and the ripe thoughts. The first time he springs a boner in the girls' shower room, it's all over. Unless his mother takes the precaution of having him castrated (at his demand, of course.)
First grader? The problem isn't the school, its the parents.
And the angel opened the Seventh Seal...
#whitepeopleproblems
Hey A-house...I thought it was the responsibility of you and your peers in the judiciary to PROTECT children and minors?
When I was this age, I refused to wear dresses, liked short hair, and wanted to be a chimney sweep. Does that mean that I was a boy? Give me a break.
So can men or boys begin demanding that gay men not be allowed to use the men's locker room/showers? I mean, aren't we allowed to be able to shower without fear of being leered at by people who find us sexually appealing? Isn't that the reasoning women use to get gender-segregated facilities?
Is this some new form of sexism? I thought it was considered sexist to say that a little boy who liked dolls and pretty things was girlie. Now the okay thing is to call him an actual girl?
There is nothing wrong with this little boy. There is something wrong with the adults around him, pressing on him with their adult world templates.
Send the parents to jail & the kid to a new home
Everything looks easy if you haven't had to deal with it.
There's a guy at work who had twins. At age four one of them decided he was a girl. My coworker and his wife tried for months to change his mind. They did everything you could possibly think of doing, including getting professional help.
What they learned is there's a limit to what you can do as a parent. This is a physiological problem - it has nothing to do with what they fed him or how they treated him or breastfeeding or any of the other things people normally assume to be causative.
I get there are some parents who screw up their kids in an effort to prove something about gender politics. But that's not the normal case - nobody outside academia wants to try to explain this kind of thing to friends and relatives. In my coworker's case his mother-in-law has severed ties with the family after accusing them of doing... something to mess up their son (but not his twin brother).
At the advice of counselors they put their son in a different school and allow him to dress as a girl. He uses the girl's restroom. Apparently there's some percentage of kids for which it ends up being a phase, but that's not usually what happens.
How much further will this nonsense go?
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