In that sermon, the Rev. Louie Giglio called for Christians to “firmly respond to the aggressive agenda” of some in the gay community and warns that widespread gay marriage ”would run the risk of absolutely undermining the whole order of our society.”
January 10, 2013
"An evangelical pastor from Atlanta announced Thursday that he would not give the benediction at President Obama’s swearing-in ceremony..."
"... after a sermon he gave on homosexuality in the mid-1990s resurfaced earlier this week."
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Chuck Hagel?
The right reason is that marriage is already in use for something else.
Disarming law abiding citizens will do more to undo the social order than allowing carpetmunchers and queens to get married.
If saying intemperate things back in the 90's is so disqualifying...how is it that Obama is president?
lol don't fuck with the gays
Gawd, I need new glasses.
I thought the guy's name was Gigolo!
It's okay if Rev. Giglio declines to give the benediction but my concern is that the caterer knows who he is and keeps him away from the buffet table.
Well, there's always Rev. Wright. And isn't Al Sharpton a pastor? He can hold the Bible for Barry.
Obama has the worst luck with preachers.
"The right reason is that marriage is already in use for something else."
Providing divorce lawyers with a career?
Obama should ask Congress to make a law establishing religions that respect gays.
If saying intemperate things back in the 90's is so disqualifying...how is it that Obama is president?
It's only a problem if you don't admit you were wrong and that you have abandoned your previous bigoted view.
I find it interesting that in the days of mega church pastors and trillion dollar coinage... a magazine holding more than 10 bullets is obscene.
Andy R. said...
It's only a problem if you don't admit you were wrong and that you have abandoned your previous bigoted view.
But how did Obama get through your bigotry litmus test in 2008?
But how did Obama get through your bigotry litmus test in 2008?
Obama came to openly accept gay marriage well into his first term... and even then it was touted as a Joe Biden gaff.
The veneration of the gays proceeds apace.
Nasty little spoiled brats like Andy rejoice.
Remember, even though Andy is a fat spoiled white boy, he's actually just like blacks under Jim Crow.
Got that?
But "well into his term term" still didn't count in 2008.
But how did Obama get through your bigotry litmus test in 2008?
1) Obama's view then was a problem, although obviously McCain was worse.
2) It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could. I cut him a little slack for the sake of political expediency.
Next up - pedophilia.
Or is it just polyamory?
The veneration of the gays thing, for those of you who are not aware of the historical background... began...
Because there weren't any black males to funnel into the quota system for the obvious reasons.
Thus, fat white spoiled brats like Andy became the focus. In order to work this scam, the Andys had to be promoted to martyr status.
If not for that, all the quota spots would have gone to white women and that would have really looked bad.
1) Obama's view then was a problem, although obviously McCain was worse.
Thank you for your predictability.
Andy making a comeback to accuse people of being prejudice?
Without the ugly photo this time?
Or do a higher than regular percentage of the man on man brigade go by the name of Andy?
Have we finally reached the point where Christians can't excuse their anti-gay bigotry by saying that magic fairy sky beard guy wants them to hate the gays?
It always used to be that you could get away with a little gay-hating if you claimed you were doing it in the name of Christianity. I thought it would be a lot longer until that excuse wouldn't fly.
But perhaps I was overly pessimistic. Perhaps the effort to call Christians "bigots" when they offer their religiously inspired gay-hating has paid off!
Andy making a comeback to accuse people of being prejudice?
What else does the little bastard got?
Besides a fat white ass?
But perhaps I was overly pessimistic. Perhaps the effort to call Christians "bigots" when they offer their religiously inspired gay-hating has paid off!
It's been a hell of a scam for low lifes like you, Andy.
Does this mean no free Chick-fil-A sandwiches at the inauguration?
Andy making a comeback to accuse people of being prejudice?
I won't be a regular around these parts, but this was too delicious not to post on. If there is any big news around Chick-fil-A or gay marriage, I'll probably pop back in to gloat.
Other than that, you folks seem to be having plenty of fun without me. I can't imagine my presence since the election was missed.
I'll remember that, Andy.
When the tables turn, I hope the opposition has no mercy on you.
Always remember when a Republican changes his views he's an indecisive flip flopper, when a Democrat does it his position is "evolving".
Does this mean Terry Jones is out too?
Andy R. said...
2) It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could.
Essentially: we all understand the left is lying whenever it moderates its image in order to appeal to the public.
The real question is why anyone believes leftists who attack those asserting that leftists like Obama are lying when (for example) they claim to want a balanced approach to solving fiscal problems.
Intersectionality!
(Inconvenient car crash blocking the interesection. Turn around and go back.)
I like what you did there Marshal...
Keep your eye on the ball.
Next up - pedophilia.
Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult...result in no identifiable damage... The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage." [The Guardian, Jan 13, 2013]
We're three-quarters down that slope already. Soon, pedophiles will be branding anyone opposed to consensual adult-child sex as bigots.
Andy R, the turd that won't flush.
Glad you still go with your magic sky fairy routine showing so much respect for those of faith.
It's okay though, there are kinds of fairy that the muslims don't like very much either. Maybe you should try forming a club with them?
And don't worry about being missed too much during your absence, we have plenty of overweight lilly white leftist idiots posting daily.
Like Garage for example.
HomoIntersectionality!
Two same-model cars in a crash blocking an intersection!
"2) It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could. I cut him a little slack for the sake of political expediency."
Obama was and is a vessel for whatever hopes progressives wanted to fill him with. So he doesn't express what you think he believes? "I cut him a little slack for the sake of political expediency." Sure you did. Obama is your Psychic Friend. He knows what you want and what you hope for. He couldn't possibly harm you.
That kind of magic thinking is what got Obama his "aspirational" Nobel Peace Prize. And all those drones raining bombs on Pakistanis, and those hundreds of Mexicans shot by drug cartels who were armed by the Justice Department...well never mind.
Progressivism is a con game and a cult all rolled into one.
Andy R. said...
2) It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could.
Oh. So it was clear that Obama was a massive liar back then. Who only lies to get what he wants. And when what he wants, is what you want ... lying is awesome.
Got it.
"It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could."
No, it wasn't. It was clear to YOU because you wanted to believe it. It was NOT clear at all to other people, probably including this preacher, and there was no particular reason to believe that Obama was going to be a gay marriage supporter. Obama really is the sum total of his base's wish fulfillment, whatever they project onto him. Then he picks and chooses what to front, for the sake of political expediency. Too bad for black people they don't have the financial and political clout of the poor oppressed gays.
"announce it when he could"
Right, what exactly was holding him back all these years until an election year when he was struggling?
"I cut him a little slack for the sake of political expediency"
Of course you did.
HomoIntersectionality!
Two same-model cars in a crash blocking an intersection!"
Not exactly. Intersectionality is where two whines cross. The intersection here is between Black Avenue and GLBTetc Drive.
Obviously, black got turned back from Gay Drive.
Obama has the worst luck with preachers
No doubt. None of the Reagan astrologers ever had any controversy like this...
Which sock-puppet is the alter ego of the chronic flaming hemorrhoid troll known as "President Moms Jeans"? And I do mean ego because there is clearly no known brains behind the rat droppings that our resident "svelte" swimmer wannabe leaves behind.
My bet is Methadras.
If a person believes the Bible, then they have no choice but to see homosexual sex as sinful behavior. That is not anti-gay.
Anti-gay is slurring people who engage in that behavior. Stating that the Bible condemns the behavior is simply accurate.
Trey
I'm sorry, none of this is coming through. You'll have to SPEAK UP.
SPEAK UP!
I honestly cannot hear you over the din of 16.4 Trillion debt and rising with no reasonable end in sight the crackling white noise of your own creation is drowning you out.
Goddamnit, aren't we one-issue voters interesting?
Andy, you have it wrong. Christ died for people who engage in prohibited sexual behaviors. People like me. I am forbidden from having sex with anyone but my wife. I have broken that commandment.
The accurate Christian message is that homosexual behavior is sinful and requires forgiveness, just like my sexual sin.
No hate. Just forgiveness.
Trey
Chip, well said. Point made, and quite well.
Trey
Person A: Against-bad
Person B: Against-worse
Got it
Awww, did I hurt your widdle feelings Garage?
Did the verbal spanking from Professor Althouse in the other thread make you extra sensitive today?
Or just riled up that your non heteronormative fellow traveler Andy returned, albeit briefly?
Sorry to to burst your sock puppet fantasies (stick to PedoElmo, he is state subsidized) but I cannot take credit for the posting of Methedras or any other poster here. Besides, I thought Inga had decided that I was Jay? You need to get on the same page with the liberal delusion of the day. One man, one vote, one screen name. Just me baby, just me.
Well, get Reverend Jessuh. For the right amount, his morals are negotiable.
Andy R. said...
lol don't fuck with the gays
Unless you want a deadly disease.
Andy R. said...
Have we finally reached the point where Christians can't excuse their anti-gay bigotry by saying that magic fairy sky beard guy wants them to hate the gays?
No, because the queers have yet to explain why they have a 10 times higher rate of venereal disease than heterosexuals.
And, then, of course, there's AIDS.
Edutcher, there is a simple explanation to that.
Diseases are bigots, right Andy?
1) People were really surprised when Obama came out in favor of gay marriage? You people are dumber than I thought.
2) People think that every politician other than Obama is completely honest and forthright about all of their beliefs and never says something because it is political convenient? You people are dumber than I thought.
I for one, will not be surprised when Obama finally comes out.
You have to admit, Michelle is rather man-ish.
Andy R. said...
2) People think that every politician other than Obama is completely honest and forthright about all of their beliefs and never says something because it is political convenient? You people are dumber than I thought.
Note Andy's inability to distinguish the argument. The argument is that those defending politicians from accusations of lies are not honest, as he admitted above. He claims this is an expectation of honesty from politicians. But in fact those defending the politicians are resting their case on the honesty of politicians. So in fact his criticism applies not to those who he claims are dumb, but to those attacking them.
I'd say he's dumber than I thought, but honestly we all already knew he is this dumb.
Amertel,
Is that a head-on collision, or did somebody get rear-ended?
Andy R. said...
1) People were really surprised when Obama came out in favor of gay marriage? You people are dumber than I thought.
Projection.
Barry made his antipathy known for a long time.
BTW where is the token L, token G, token B, token T, token I, token Q, token A, and token U in the Cabinet?
Why not have ShawtLo, the Atlanta rapper with a reality show on Oxygen that highlights the ten mothers of his eleven children do the swearing in.
Okay, I'll take take the bait, its a boring day.
What pray tell, is "my kind"?
Other than that, you folks seem to be having plenty of fun without me. I can't imagine my presence since the election was missed.
Andy R, your presence was missed even when you were here.
What pray tell, is "my kind"?
I think Moms Jeans is asking if he/she is gay.
I read unhinged ranting with no semblence of punctuation or grammar as a sign of a mental imbalance, requiring medication or otherwise.
And for your information, my own personal brand of non-observant Catholicism doesn't give a shit about whether Trey cheats on his wife or not, or whether some other lunatic takes offense at any claims on behalf of Christians. The Pope says I don't have to wear condoms, and thats good enough for me.
And while we are setting the record straight, my own political and religious beliefs could give two shits about where or with whom anybody decides to consensually insert their genetalia, I just find Andy annoying and enjoy mocking him. It's been a while since he has been on the site, and I would hate to miss an opportunity.
Now why don't you get yourself a computer (or more likely brain) that functions properly, start expressing your thoughts in coherent grammatically correct English, and take a break from having a completely one sided argument with whoever Trey is.
Otherwise, know your role, and shut your mouth.
I'd say he's dumber than I thought, but honestly we all already knew he is this dumb.
There is this weird dynamic here where people act like I'm the stupid one.
Do you remember the primaries? And the election? How many of you said Obama was going to lose?
Remember how I said Obama was going to win? And I even explained why Romney was going to lose, way back in the primaries. (And the post-election analysis confirmed much of what I said.) I realize I can be snarky and rude and all that, but there were obvious weaknesses with Romney and I was pointing them out and saying why he was in trouble while a ton of people were claiming he would win and arguing that I was wrong.
And now the election is over and people pretend like the previous year-long discussions/debates here that I was right about and others were wrong about didn't even happen...
He was wrong how?
Andy R. said...
lol don't fuck with the gays
Before or after?
Ah, so the mystery computer virus that prevents you from capitalizing words doesn't interfere with your spellcheck, good to know.
You are getting sidetracked though, why don't you continue enlighten us to the true interpretation of Christianity, divinely and personally revealed to you.
As we are in the guess the "kinda crowd" game today, let me take a few stabs at you.
Probably white, definitely over the age of 50, most likely a spinster. I'm picturing greying or white hair (God wouldn't want you using that sinful dye, thats for those awful adulterers). I'm putting the over under at 3.5 cats.
Hows that?
Zero didn't come out in favor of gay marriage until last May, after Biden opened his big bazoo and Zero had to say SOMETHING. Completely politically expedient.
Too bad so many people were stupid enough to take him seriously.
Andy R. said...
There is this weird dynamic here where people act like I'm the stupid one.
I already gave you the answer.
Note Andy's inability to distinguish the argument. The argument is that those defending politicians from accusations of lies are not honest, as he admitted above. He claims this is an expectation of honesty from politicians. But in fact those defending the politicians are resting their case on the honesty of politicians.
Making one prediction doesn't make up for your inability to think clearly. If you prefer not to be recognized as stupid quit basing your attacks on stupid arguments.
"no one asked about your faith or lack of it. why jump into something not directed to you but to trey"
The answer, you stupid bint, is that the topic of the thread is the pastor who was scheduled to appear at Obama's swearing in next week removed himself due to pressure over statements he made regarding homosexuality.
In other words, I wrote something actually related to what Althouse posted.
Those gays are sure an intolerant bunch.
so the mystery computer virus that prevents you from capitalizing words doesn't interfere with your spellcheck, good to know.
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i learned to spell without computer help. natural talents and all.
but don't worry -- you've got your magic pills to help you.
Hollywood has already moved on new ways to normalize other things that push the boundary even further.
That's why the Democrats want to nominate Secretariat for the Senate.
History repeats itself.
You know, I forgive pastors for saying stuff like this in the mid-1990s. I don't speak for anyone else but I'm alright with them assuming they've moderated their views. Change is hard.
Otherwise, know your role, and shut your mouth.
I know a lot of folks think that it was Jesus who said that about women, but it was actually Paul...wasn't it?
Yes it was but after Yoko and that one legged bitch it makes sense that he was bitter. Just sayn'
pussy editing
phx said...
You know, I forgive pastors for saying stuff like this in the mid-1990s
So you don't forgive pastors who read from the bible today.
Is your next step to hate them? Kill them? Toss them in jail?
Oh well. Christians are used to psychos like you. And we forgive you.
Is your next step to hate them? Kill them? Toss them in jail?
I'm not planning on taking any next steps.
1) Obama's view then was a problem, although obviously McCain was worse.
2) It was clear, even back then, that Obama was going to be a marriage equality supporter, and was going to announce it when he could. I cut him a little slack for the sake of political expediency.
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If I had money of my own that wasn't shared to bet with, I'd wager that Andy R voted and railed against Romney for pretty much the same reason. That is the mark of a core Sullivanist -- the elevation of gay marriage to be the supreme litmus test. They may say that they're against so-and-so for a number of other reasons but in the end it's really just that.
Is Father Guido Sarducci available?
Is Father Guido Sarducci available?
This would actually make me want to watch the inauguration.
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