At around 9:30 p.m., there was a tense faceoff between protesters and police officers on Broadway at 14th Street. About 100 officers, some appearing to be sheriff’s deputies, stood behind a metal barricade in full riot gear and wearing gas masks, while on the other side people pressed against the barricade, waving peace signs and chanting slogans. A few protesters hurled objects — what looked like water bottles — at the police, while over a loud speaker, officers instructed people to disperse or risk “chemical agents.”The street-level video looks very chaotic and dramatic. It's pure emotion. Hard for the police to look good from this perspective:
October 26, 2011
Police versus Occupy protesters in Oakland.
Lots of photos and video.
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That's why the leftists agitators do it that way. They provoke a police action, video it and then use/rely on the media to present their side only and leave out the provocations.
Hard for the police to look good from this perspective
Well.
Considering that
There were a series of safety conditions, including numerous reports of fighting, assault and threatening/intimidating behavior" at the camp, police said in a statement. Medical responders could not get to the scene to provide medical care on at least two occasions, and fire and police also could not get through.
"Sanitation conditions worsened with frequent instances of public urination and defecation, as well as improper food storage," the police statement said. "The existing rodent problem in the park was exacerbated, and authorities were unable to control it because of the campers' presence. Graffiti, litter and vandalism also posed problems, police said.
Your statement is open to interpretation...
What did the women who were corralled in the orange nets in New York do to provoke, when the white shirt cop maced them?
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
What did the women who were corralled in the orange nets in New York do to provoke, when the white shirt cop maced them
They were Smelly Hippies, do you need a better reason?
"Hard for the police to look good from this perspective"
Indeed, hard for them to look like anything. I'm not sure if they even appeared on this video. Was that a cop in the distance toward the end, walking with a flashlight?
How dreadful. He could have dilated someone's pupils with that thing.
We see a flashbang set off by...someone. And we see what appears to be a tear gas canister, hurled from the direction of the crowd.
Yes, this is just a nightmare. It's like Kent State, only with less actual shooting and death. I just wish that these poor protesters could be treated just as they would in those parts of the world run more to their liking -- North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba. Nothing like this right-wing hellhole, Oakland.
And still the Tea Party is dissed by the media as extemists, racists, and nativists, while these OWS prtests are full of antisemitism, signs urging people to practice cannibalism on the "rich", defecation on private property, outward Communists, and hundreds of arrests.
Could it be any more plain?
These protests are organized by the Usurper's Community organizing arms. Designed to fire up the base, and cause chaos. This is what they do. MSM has been instructed to stand down, and don't criticize. More violence is coming.
If the Tea Partiers had been doing the same thing as the OWS people are doing, I'd be completely behind the police doing the exact same thing.
Sorry, this is called "rioting".
Actually, it is hard for the police to look bad in this situation.
Unless they stood and did nothing while getting abused by the anarchists.
Hard for the police to look good from this perspective
Hard to look good because they already look beyond good and into the territory of awesome?
Seriously though, I don't see anything disturbing in the video. I don't see much of anything at all.
The police need to do this to all of Oakland; not just the Occupy protesters.
If you have never been to Oakland, here is a word of advice.....don't.
The street-level video looks very chaotic and dramatic. It's pure emotion.
You seem to be writing about a different video from the one that's embedded in your comment. The only emotion I felt watching this particular video was boredom.
Seriously though, I don't see anything disturbing in the video. I don't see much of anything at all.
Same. There's very little going on in the video.
It was Oakland's fault for allowing an encampment in the first place...
Mitochonri, if I had to guess, I'd say that those women who were pepper-sprayed (not maced, there's a difference) spit on the police.
The police, who don't want to bring HIV or hepatitis or some other godawful disease home to their families, responded to a potentially lethal threat with non-lethal force and remarkable restraint.
But I wasn't there, I'm just speculating. Maybe in this age of litigiousness, the NYPD consists of a bunch of rogue Dirty Harry Callahans with pepper spray instead of a .44, and they just squirt the stuff around like silly string at a birthday party.
Yeah, that seems likely.
Revolution is Obama's only hope.
It's worth reading the article that Althouse linked and watching ALL of the videos. The one Althouse selected shows practically nothing.
Hard for the police to look good from this perspective.
Hard for the protesters to look good from any perspective. They were told to disperse. They didn't. What are cops supposed to do? Walk away and let the hippies do whatever they please?
I saw the video of the protestor with the head scab bitching about the cops being "animals" and "totally fascists".
What, pray tell, does what the cops did in this circumstance, have to do with fascism?
Pasta, her is a link to the video of them being sprayed.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/video-appears-to-show-protesters-being-pepper-sprayed/
Martyr shopping. Nothing too ghastly this time, but keep trying. When you throw bricks at cops, you can count on something bad happening. Those damn cops always overreact when you try to kill them.
Mitochondri, how about doing us a favor, and let us know just which one of these videos is the most heinous, and what in particular makes the police look bad in it. I'll watch that one.
This is Governor Moonbeams hometown. The Iran hikers made an appearance @ OWS Oakland last week. This is where these folks decided to stage a confrontation. I sense this is more organized than most think. ACORN is apparently giving the marching orders.
This sad tired kabuki theater!
The rabble throws things and cavorts provocatively for the camera in their rabble uniforms. The cops put on their riot gear costumes and fire their non-lethal weapons for the camera.
The nostalgia that fuels this is old and busted, though. And the intended audience is fast asleep on the couch by 9:30 p.m.
And the rabble doesn't really care about revolution; they wouldn't have the first clue of what to do if an actual revolution broke out. They're ignorant nihilists.
And the cops don't really want the rabble to disperse completely; the rabble are the shock troops of the political party that ensures their comfortable early retirement.
Hard for the protesters to look good from this perspective.
Scott M asked...
"What, pray tell, does what the cops did in this circumstance, have to do with fascism?"
Only fascists oppose anarchists, right?
When you tell people, "Pay your mortgage or get evicted," but the government comes and prevents the eviction, why would they ever think that, "disperse or risk chemical agents" means that chemical agents are forthcoming if they don't disperse?
We get the behavior we reward.
What were police supposed to do with a bunch of hippies standing peacefully in a park, but to tear gas and fire on them with rubber bullets?????
/Wingnut
At this point, no-one gives a damn about these people.
Looks good to me. Let's bring the Oakland cops to NY if the NYPD won't do the job.
The "movement" the Democrats have gone all in on, in action:
Three young punks threatened to kill a 24-year-old Occupy Wall Street protester for pressing charges over an assault at the group's Zuccotti Park encampment, police said.
"You got our friend arrested. We're gonna kill you! Watch your back!" the trio warned the young woman on Monday - two days after her complaint led to the arrest of Garfield Leslie, police said Tuesday.
Leslie, 19, of Brooklyn, had offered to sell the woman drugs at the downtown sit-in, police said.
When she declined that offer and his romantic advances, he punched her in the face and then dished out more blows to a friend who had come to her defense, police said.
After clocking the friend, police said, Leslie then punched the man's girlfriend for good measure.
Lovely people.
And this, like, happened all the time at Tea Party rallies (which were orders of magnitude larger), you know.
People who seem to want more government regulation and control for others want none for themselves.
Watch out for the dude in this thread shouting "Over there!! SQUIRREL!".
He's not discussing the events or pointing to video from Oakland CA but to an unrelated event that occured several weeks ago during an NYC OWS confrontation with police.
What were police supposed to do with a bunch of hippies standing peacefully in a park, but to tear gas and fire on them with rubber bullets?????
/Wingnut
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lol how embarrassing to have the guiding lights of your "movement" be homeless bums, paid off ACORN retreads, rapists, and other assorted criminals.
In the end it's going to be about as successful as the coffee party. Remember those guys?
What were police supposed to do with a bunch of hippies standing peacefully in a park, but to tear gas and fire on them with rubber bullets?????
GM, you're being willfully ignorant if you think they have been "peaceful" the entire time they've been there. When first-responders cannot get to people needing them, it's time to break things up.
Don't feel too bad, Mitochondri. I see that "Anonymous" has just "leaked" the name and contact information of the officer who sprayed these women.
So I'm sure you'll get your pound of flesh soon enough. I would imagine some OWS freedom fighter will firebomb his house, and kill not only him but his misbegotten progeny.
Yay, team.
By the way, do you notice, in that pepper-spray (not mace) video, the way that those women are hunching their shoulders and rolling them forward before they're sprayed? We can't see their faces, so we can only guess what's going on there.
They appear to be shrieking just as loud as they can at officers about 6 feet away from them, who are attempting to get another suspect under control.
Oh, but wait, that's free speech. If I see an arrest going down, I can go right up to any police barricade, and push it just as far as it will go, and shriek into the faces of the arresting officers.
Right?
You know, I was planning to go to visit with my daughter and new grandson in SF in the next month. I'd rather put my hand in the garbage disposal instead of being anywhere near the occupy everything everywhere all the time morons.
I think we will just Skype.
I think I saw Norman Fell and Richard Dreyfuss asking if they were some of those outside agitators we hear so much about.
This sympathy meter must be broken. The needle is not moving at all.
I read the article by Zombie at PJ Tatler and I have to say what I wrote there: "Lots of folks there from the left side of the bell curve…"
GM, you're being willfully ignorant if you think they have been "peaceful" the entire time they've been there. When first-responders cannot get to people needing them, it's time to break things up.
Yea sure. What laws were they breaking again? I doubt you care.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'll give it a try:
Failure to disperse
Obstructing or interfering with a police officer
Assault on a police officer (someone threw that gas canister back at them)
Inciting to riot
It reminds me of a child holding his finger inches from his sibling's face and announcing "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you."
GM, you're being willfully ignorant if you think they have been "peaceful" the entire time they've been there. When first-responders cannot get to people needing them, it's time to break things up.
Yea sure. What laws were they breaking again? I doubt you care.
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Don't shit on the ground, assault people, and generally act like animals. Those laws.
And then there are all of the rapes and sexual assaults that have taken place during these peaceful sit-ins and love-fests.
But at least those women didn't get pepper-sprayed.
lol how embarrassing to have the guiding lights of your "movement" be homeless bums, paid off ACORN retreads, rapists, and other assorted criminals.
I would say how embarassing it must be for the right wing to have a world class fucking moron like you speak for them. But, you're pretty well representive of the right wing as a whole. Carry on, fool.
What laws were they breaking again?
Really?
I doubt you care.
About as much as you do that your hero's health care "reform" is going to eviscerate my HSA.
What laws were they breaking again? I doubt you care.
What an interesting bit of projection.
We know you don't care, clown.
I thought the police looked magnificent.
garage mahal said...
I would say how embarassing it must be for the right wing to have a world class fucking moron like you speak for them. But, you're pretty well representive of the right wing as a whole. Carry on, fool.
Hey bozo, how many times did the Tea Party do this?
“Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day – to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.”
Oh, that's right. None.
Shitting on the lawn, throwing your garbage everywhere, in general acting like a hateful, total waste of skin.
It needs to be said: these protesters are fucking white trash, totally oblivous to their rednecky white trash ways.
Tea Party protesters are the salt of the Earth, yet they are accused of being "white trash", mostly by media assholes and the likes of these.
I would say how embarassing it must be for the right wing to have a world class fucking moron like you speak for them. But, you're pretty well representive of the right wing as a whole. Carry on, fool.
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lol u mad?
Must be in deep with these pathetic high school dropouts.
People who seem to want more government regulation and control for others want none for themselves.
Yes! That's what I keep thinking.
If their college dorms provided these kinds of accommodations and rules, they'd be suing the universities and demanding the government do something.
Hey bozo, how many times did the Tea Party do this?
Paste something without a link, from unnamed "sources"? Actually save it, I'm sure it's the same retarded nonsense that fills your day.
It's not Kent State. Hell, perhaps even Kent State wasn't really Kent State.
Have you looked at Zombie's photos of the camp? I know the law is on the side of the criminal, but this is exactly what the loony left was working for. To provoke the police so they could get their films of it.
garage mahal said...
Paste something without a link, from unnamed "sources"? Actually save it, I'm sure it's the same retarded nonsense that fills your day.
Aw, are you mad silly boy that your wittle "movement" has turned out to be a bunch of paid stooges and rapists?
Too bad Mr Bonaparte isnt available to provide a whiff of grapeshot.
I lived in California. I have a very low opinion of the culture that pervades police departments, at least in cities, there, and of the thugs with badges.
However, I have a very low opinion of the OWS dirtbags, too.
So, it's pretty hard to get worked up about this, one way or another.
Hey bozo, how many times did the Tea Party do this?
Paste something without a link, from unnamed "sources"? Actually save it, I'm sure it's the same retarded nonsense that fills your day.
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Hey garage, would you actually want to get within a thousand feet of one of these drugged out, white trash, rapist caveman criminal assholes?
I bet you'd get as far away as you could if you had an encounter with one of these degenerates.
Jaytard with a foxnews.com link. Seriously, how fucking stupid do you think people are? Outside the low IQ fever swamps you inhabit, that is.
Have you looked at Zombie's photos of the camp? I know the law is on the side of the criminal, but this is exactly what the loony left was working for. To provoke the police so they could get their films of it.
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It was dumb of these assholes to start throwing missiles at the police. Oakland has a democrat mayor and I'm sure they could have prolonged the existence of their tent city for degenerates and vagrants for a long time. But now the cops are totally and rightfully pissed at them, and now their lame little movement is pretty much finished in Oakland because of that.
I have to admit to a certain element of schadenfruede watching this kabuki theater unfold. Oakland? who gives a damn? NYC? who gives a damn--its wonderful watching the unspeakable vie against the inedible.
Jaytard with a foxnews.com link. Seriously, how fucking stupid do you think people are? Outside the low IQ fever swamps you inhabit, that is.
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weaksauce
The general criminal nature of OWS is by now well established. Sorry you can't handle it.
ge mahal said...
Jaytard with a foxnews.com link. Seriously, how fucking stupid do you think people are? Outside the low IQ fever swamps you inhabit, that is.
Awwwww, wittle garagie all mad his "movement" is crashing and burning.
It's all kabuki. When the powers-that-be want the rabble to disperse, the rabble disperses.
Example: San Francisco. Yesterday afternoon. Market Street. Ground Zero for the Occupy crowd and every other sad, angry, and/or shiftless creature on the planet. Usually the area is seething with weirdos but yesterday it was eerily, noticeably quiet and weirdo-free. I did not know why until I read that Lord Obama had dropped by for a visit (collections activity).
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/26/MN3J1LM0N6.DTL
The article says there were 1000 protestors but that's probably a lie since there are no wide shots showing the protest.
Hey garage, remember when you refused to credit that evil rightwinger Breitbart during the Anthony Weiner scandal, and instead started floating ludicrous conspiracy theories about Weiner being framed? That didn't make you look too smart now did it?
Maybe you shouldn't go around dismissing the reality of OWS just because the ugly truth isn't convenient.
DBQ, congrats on the grandkid! My sister's oldest just got married this past weekend, and I know she is ready to go into an explosion of delight if/when she hears about a coming child.
DBQ: let me second Madison Man's congrats- Take care and keep your 45 clean and oiled.
What were police supposed to do with a bunch of hippies standing peacefully in a park, but to tear gas and fire on them with rubber bullets?????
If you have a problem with police then maybe you should move to SOMALIA, huh?
In SOMALIA, you can piss and shit anywhere you want. It is Garage's dream land.
What were police supposed to do with a bunch of hippies standing peacefully in a park, but to tear gas and fire on them with rubber bullets?????
If you have a problem with police then maybe you should move to SOMALIA, huh?
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So true. Remember the ridiculous logical falacy the left is always throwing around like it's pure logical gold - "If you're against like entitlement spending you must not like cops and roads and other gubmint things. You must want to live in Somalia."
But now we see who really doesn't want the cops around and who would be perfectly fine in Somalia living in a tent and shitting in the dust.
I dont know if the Al Davis' Oakland stadium still stands, but the current contretemps has all the elements of a wonderful gladitorial combat.
Charge for admission; put the OWS people on the arena, bring in the police, and no holds barred--might even be able to make a lot of money on it. Sort of like cage fighting on a large scale.
Garage, are you really wanting to claim these white trash cavemen as your own?
Whatever gets it done I guess.
The police looked great. If you have ever had to place someone into custody you would understand how awkward it is physically. Their level of restraint is admirable and should be commended.
In contrast to law enforcement in Oakland, the police in Albany, NY ignored a directive to arrest protestors as explained by the D.A. of Albany county:
"Well, I had reached out to our local chief and the local police department here, the Albany police department has been working very aggressively at improving their relationships with the community. And they were concerned that this directive would have, of course, compromised all of the efforts they had been making in that regard. And during the course of that conversation, I did inform them that we would decline to prosecute any of the arrests, based upon the fact that, unless there were injuries to police officers, or damages to property, then the people should be allowed to protest and exercise their First Amendment right. In Albany, we’re accustomed to dealing with protests and protesters all the time. We also have several universities, colleges nearby and our concern was — if we began to arrest people, and the media was capturing images of grandparents or children being hauled off to jail, this might spark more people onto the streets.
And, of course, that hasn’t happened. The protesters have been fine. We have been maintaining a great dialogue with the organizers and,for the most part,a lot of credit should go to the organizers for maintaining a wonderful protest, and there has been no violence. There’s been no reports of any kind of mishap, and we’re fine with it.
When the powers-that-be want the rabble to disperse, the rabble disperses.
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/10/shocker-acorn-paying-ows-protesters.html
They all decamped to Oakland to put on their show with the cops.
In contrast to law enforcement in Oakland, the police in Albany, NY ignored a directive to arrest protestors as explained by the D.A. of Albany county:
"Well, I had reached out to our local chief and the local police department here, the Albany police department has been working very aggressively at improving their relationships with the community. And they were concerned that this directive would have, of course, compromised all of the efforts they had been making in that regard. And during the course of that conversation, I did inform them that we would decline to prosecute any of the arrests, based upon the fact that, unless there were injuries to police officers, or damages to property, then the people should be allowed to protest and exercise their First Amendment right. In Albany, we’re accustomed to dealing with protests and protesters all the time. We also have several universities, colleges nearby and our concern was — if we began to arrest people, and the media was capturing images of grandparents or children being hauled off to jail, this might spark more people onto the streets.
And, of course, that hasn’t happened. The protesters have been fine. We have been maintaining a great dialogue with the organizers and,for the most part,a lot of credit should go to the organizers for maintaining a wonderful protest, and there has been no violence. There’s been no reports of any kind of mishap, and we’re fine with it.
*shits in the dust*
*sexually assualts a girl*
In SOMALIA, you can piss and shit anywhere you want. It is Garage's dream land.
What's frightening is I believe you're a lawyer, right? Even if somebody did take a piss, you feel tear gas and rubber bullets to the face is an appropriate response? No wonder this country is so fucked up.
In SOMALIA, you can piss and shit anywhere you want. It is Garage's dream land.
What's frightening is I believe you're a lawyer, right? Even if somebody did take a piss, you feel tear gas and rubber bullets to the face is an appropriate response? No wonder this country is so fucked up.
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Yes, when you have bums by the hundreds shitting and selling drugs in public parks and creating a health hazard as well as being violent and trying to injure cops with missiles and assaulting ordinary citizens, tear gas and rubber bullets is not only an appropriate response, it is a restrained response.
Do you ever ask a question that is not totally stupid?
Garage, are these white trash vagrants really your boys?
If so, lol.
Boy, just like the Tea Party.
fortunately, winter is coming and I suspect cold, rainy weather will take care of the situation.
I would be surprised if the whole Occupy thing ends before at least one death-by-police, and I bet it will happen in Oakland. Oakland loves martyrs.
And when it happens, I'm predicting murals. Lots of murals.
What's frightening is I believe you're a lawyer, right? Even if somebody did take a piss, you feel tear gas and rubber bullets to the face is an appropriate response? No wonder this country is so fucked up.
There's not much else the police can do against a mob of people intent upon disobeying the police. Since you are against police enforcing the law, then you must be against the very concept of law enforcement, and if you are against the idea of law enforcement, then the entire concept of law itself is meaningless.
Garage, weren't you whining like the rest of the left about the Tea Party being "fueled by hate."
Yet here is OWS, up to all sorts of evil and caveman level behavior.
Ever wonder if your on the right side of things?
There is nothing wrong with protesting and being politically engaged. The problem arises when that engagement interferes with others. Time to leave....
Somalia is also full of people who redistribute wealth from those that earned it to those that didn't. So, perfect for Garage.
So, are these goons paid like their NY brethren are paid to protest?
Also, Somalia is spared of all but tiny numbers of millionaires and private jets. Probably not a single billionaire there. And, zero student loan debt! So, a Garage nirvana.
Mobs-R-Us---A franchise started in Madison, Wisconsin.
A mob takes mass authority from the Government and runs with it until a leadership struggle within the mob kills off the weak ones and takes over. That becomes the Mob's succession method, and the Secret Police Strongman becomes Tyrant who then kills the other leaders on a schedule.
The police are doing these fantasy land dupes a favor by sending them home safe where they belong.
There's not much else the police can do against a mob of people intent upon disobeying the police. Since you are against police enforcing the law, then you must be against the very concept of law enforcement, and if you are against the idea of law enforcement, then the entire concept of law itself is meaningless.
I'm asking what laws were being broken to justify American citizens getting fired on with tear gas and bullets to the face. You countered with some wingnut tripe about people pissing and shitting. I'm assuming as a lawyer you would know precisly what laws were being broken to warrant that response. I don't know what is worse, you not knowing, or not caring.
Given that this is another ACORN production, this was pretty much inevitable.
They're playing from the Alinsky handbook, but the problem is '68 was 43 years ago and a lot has changed.
Ann Althouse said...
Hard for the police to look good from this perspective:
That's what they thought in Chi-town in '68.
As George Will noted, it meant 4 Republican Presidents in the next 5 elections.
seems to me there was a listing of possible laws that were broken above. of course the laws that may have been broken are keyed to what the Oakland city ordinances are. At any rate, its an empirical question.
Its almost spooky how much Coulter's most recent book COMPLETELY got the Left's love affair with the mob.
The police ask nicely, make announcements, give time to the organizers to respond, clean-up, etc. and the protesters simply don't comply. They literally steal the property they're on. If they were to come "occupy" your hovel, Garage, I'm sure you'd welcome them and they'd fit right in, but 99% of American society frowns upon public defecation.
In most of the big cities, the homeless and the local thugs moving into these OWS camps will bring an end to it. The protesters must look like easy pickings. Just don't call the police.
I think AllenS's observation is on target--that coupled with winter weather on the way will end the protests--no fun protesting in wet, cold rainy weather when some of your colleagues are, in fact, felons.
But cest la guerre
The police actually look good in all these videos. The protestors look like the unkempt, smelly, "dangerous only in a group" losers that they are. Nothing to really see her folks, move along.
I'm asking what laws were being broken to justify American citizens getting fired on with tear gas and bullets to the face. You countered with some wingnut tripe about people pissing and shitting. I'm assuming as a lawyer you would know precisly what laws were being broken to warrant that response. I don't know what is worse, you not knowing, or not caring.
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"American citizen"? Is that some kind of garage code for "worthless piece of shit"?
Seriously have you ever heard of assault on a police officer, vagrancy, creating a public menace? Between this and the Anthony Weiner thing, I'm beginning to worry that you may be retarded.
I'm seeing a lot of exaggeration and not much questionable behavior from the police. They fired four beanbags into the crowd, and Garage Mahal reports it as protesters 'getting bullets to the face.' Tear gas isn't exactly napalm, either.
"I was shot in the face!"
"You were not shot in the face."
Pretty mild response to a very unattractive group of protesters.
seems to me there was a listing of possible laws that were broken above.
Apparently, according to anonymous sources, ACORN is heading up OWS.
Ready, Aim, Fiiiiire!
I'm asking what laws were being broken to justify American citizens getting fired on with tear gas and bullets to the face.
If someone took my $5500 laptop, I'd be inclined to shoot them in the face.
seems to me there was a listing of possible laws that were broken above.
Apparently, according to anonymous sources, ACORN is heading up OWS.
Ready, Aim, Fiiiiire!
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Holy shit, your fictional narrative is such an embarrasing clunker.
'Roger J. said...
I think AllenS's observation is on target--that coupled with winter weather on the way will end the protests--no fun protesting in wet, cold rainy weather when some of your colleagues are, in fact, felons.
But cest la guerre'
10/26/11 1:40 PM
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au contraire..we need bright sunny days so this theater of the absurd continues and the Obama Jugend are exposed in every aspect.
Garage, you still haven't answered, why do you have such a hardon for these losers?
'Coketown said...
I'm seeing a lot of exaggeration and not much questionable behavior from the police. They fired four beanbags into the crowd, and Garage Mahal reports it as protesters 'getting bullets to the face.
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There's an old expression 'real politics ain't beanbag'. If the OWS folks were really serious the cops would have skipped the bean bag and move directly to rubber bullets.
Remember Obama's "youth brigades", where he was going to recruit 500,000 of them to be the government paid enforcers of his regime?
OWS is like a pitifully staffed version of what that would have been like.
Garage, you still haven't answered, why do you have such a hardon for these losers?
Quit busting GM's balls about this. He's not for these guys as much as he's against the 1% like Michael Moore...or people that can afford to lose $5500 laptops...or...
Lars: agree with your take--the dems seem to have adopted the OWS movement as their own--I understand your point, but my take is that in one year and a week, the OWS movement will be just a memory and no one will give a damn.
garage, here's the list of citations the Oakland police provided to the protesters throughout the camp last Friday, Oct. 21. Note that it says that those failing to vacate will be subject to arrest. The police re-visited on Tuesday morning and again warned in person that the park had to be vacated. In the afternoon, on the third visit, when protesters started pelting the cops with paint cans, the police used tear gas. As much as I'm against today's militarized police forces, these protesters provoked the cops to get exactly the spectacle they wanted. No sympathy.
This crowd has no soul. They just defy the City to tell them anything to do.
What they need is a Drum and Bugle Corp.
But if that fails, then they need to reenact the Battle of Kent State for the cameras.
Come on man!
In the face of an unlawful, violent mob the police are not expected to look good.
Competent and effective is all that is expected.
"Its almost spooky how much Coulter's most recent book COMPLETELY got the Left's love affair with the mob."
Absolutely! I just finished her section on the French Revolution, and it sounds like the logical extension of what these cretins and imbeciles are agitating for.
I hope they do try to stick it out through the Winter. It could end up being the biggest crowd of frozen solid Communists and Nazis since the last days of the Battle of Stalingrad.
It needs to be said: these protesters are fucking white trash, totally oblivous to their rednecky white trash ways.
This is an insult to rednecks, most of whom wouldn’t be caught dead at this thing.
Kensington- lol--none of these folks could withstand that sort of hardship.
"The street-level video looks very chaotic and dramatic. It's pure emotion. Hard for the police to look good from this perspective:"
Is there a "perspective" that would look positive for the police? It'd be like finding a perspective that would make most unpleasant jobs look good. Say a slaughterhouse worker. It's not pretty but it is necessary.
"Top Earners Doubled Share of Nation’s Income, Study Finds"
¶ The share of after-tax household income for the top 1 percent of the population more than doubled, climbing to 17 percent in 2007 from nearly 8 percent in 1979.
¶ The most affluent fifth of the population received 53 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, up from 43 percent in 1979. In other words, the after-tax income of the most affluent fifth exceeded the income of the other four-fifths of the population.
¶ People in the lowest fifth of the population received about 5 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, down from 7 percent in 1979.
¶ People in the middle three-fifths of the population saw their shares of after-tax income decline by 2 to 3 percentage points from 1979 to 2007.
The study was requested by Senators Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, when he was the senior Republican on the panel.
Come on Garage, you're way smarter than this. Do you actually believe that the police just barged in and started hassling and arresting people with no probable cause?
¶ People in the lowest fifth of the population received about 5 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, down from 7 percent in 1979.
Well, duh. How else would they be in the bottom fifth?
Shanna "This is an insult to rednecks, most of whom wouldn’t be caught dead at this thing."
Actually most of them can't read well enough to even know what's going on or how to get there.
Of course those red state rednecks have no problem accepting more government assistance than the blue states, while at the same time contributing less in taxes.
How big is your trailer, Shanna? Does it have a T-V?
Scott - I think the relevant number is the "down from 7 percent in 1979," meaning that they making even less than before.
You're not that bright are you?
The protesters should follow the example of our favorite Tea Party hating, Occupier loving priest, Thomas Reese, and give the police flowers.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-vatican-throwing-its-support-behind-occupy-wall-street/
If this was a group run by the Tea Party the usual contributors here would be screaming to high heaven abot police brutality.
And you all know it, too.
The real question is why you're more supportive of the big banks and Wall Street and the protesters.
Do any of you read anything other than what appears at the Althouse site?
Love: her brain case and contents therein are much larger than yours--as we quakers say: fuck thee
You're not that bright are you?
Hell no. If I were, I wouldn't bother engaging you.
Scott - I think the relevant number is the "down from 7 percent in 1979," meaning that they making even less than before.
You're not that bright are you?
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Millions of illegal immigrants tend to pull down the numbers of the lowest fifth. You can thank the left for that.
Millions of illegal immigrants tend to pull down the numbers of the lowest fifth. You can thank the left for that.
Tut, tut. The right has plenty of idiots responsible for this as well.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
People in the lowest fifth of the population received about 5 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, down from 7 percent in 1979
Meaning, POSSIBLY, that Illegal immigration has driven down the standard of living for Native Americans, with few or no skills…though it raises the Standard for the Illegal Immigrants. So, the number you so proudly display that “PROVES” some point, is subject to a number of interpretations two of which would be:
1) Improve Public Education, reducing the unskilled workers subset; and/or
2) Increased Immigration Enforcement.
Go to Love's Blogger profile. Her interests incllude one thing: Making people feel good.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!
Garage may be the stupidest poster here but at least he's the biggest liar.
Hey asshole, they threw paintbombs and bottles at the cops. They smashed the windows in police cruisers, overturned dumpsters in the streets, threw teargas canisters back at the police, refused to disperse when ordered.
Peacefully standing around a park my ass.
You dumb fuck you've hitched your wagon to the biggest bunch of useless anti-social losers since the sixties and your credibility is zero. Fuck off and die.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
If this was a group run by the Tea Party the usual contributors here would be screaming to high heaven abot police brutality
If this was a group run by the TEA Party, it would have a permit, start on time, end on time, and the area would be cleaner AFTER the rally than it was before the rally. Thank you for trying, though.
If this was a group run by the Tea Party the usual contributors here would be screaming to high heaven abot police brutality.
And you all know it, too.
The real question is why you're more supportive of the big banks and Wall Street and the protesters.
Do any of you read anything other than what appears at the Althouse site?
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Tea Party protesters are upstanding members of society, not criminal fuckups, druggies, and kiddie rapists like the protesters involved in OWS.
So your hypothetical scenario is stupid.
Love: a thought experiment for you (although I grant that is beyond your capability): had I substituted ni##er for redneck, you would be cool with that, no?
Only idiots deal in sterotypes--welcome to the ranks of idiots.
Love, are you one of the white trash fuckups involved in OWS? It must feel quite liberating, shitting wherever you please.
If this was a group run by the Tea Party the usual contributors here would be screaming to high heaven abot police brutality.
And you all know it, too.
Absolute horseshit, Love, but then again, painting with broad brush strokes is, in fact, a repeated facet of the left on this blog. If you were being honest, you acknowledge that there's enough people here that are conservatives that aren't ideologues that would, if the Tea Party were being treated thus, say that they got what they deserved.
If you were really being honest, you would admit that the Tea Party rallies across the country were well-behaved and non-violent, despite some on the left's dearest desires to paint them otherwise.
Do you support assaulting cops?
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The real question is why you're more supportive of the big banks and Wall Street and the protesters
I assume you meant to say, “…more supportive of the big banks and Wall Street, rather than the PROTESTORS?” Who to support the people that fund companies and my mortgage or a bunch of smelly Marxists who would destroy Capitalism?
"Roger J. said...
Lars: agree with your take--the dems seem to have adopted the OWS movement as their own--I understand your point, but my take is that in one year and a week, the OWS movement will be just a memory and no one will give a damn.
10/26/11 2:01 PM
Of course you are right. But let's enjoy the sights as long as possible...sort of like the autumn leaves.. These are the prototypical 'Sunshine Patriots' and will shrink from their tasks as soon as the weather changes
¶ The share of after-tax household income for the top 1 percent of the population more than doubled, climbing to 17 percent in 2007 from nearly 8 percent in 1979.
Here is the question I will use to test your intellectual integrity and credibility: is there any reason in particular you picked those two years? (If as I suspect you can't answer that because this is just copypasta you took all of three seconds to post, just say so and I will educate you.)
Sounds like garage doesn't like the police, a union group trying to do their job.
Reasoning with Love is pig wrestling--not worth it--just hurl his/her insults back and be done with it.
Here's a picture of a horrific confrontation between Tea Party members and police outside of Cincinnati City Hall last year.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68243358@N00/3445503589/in/photostream
If you were being honest, you would …
If you were being honest, you would …
See, that there's whatchacall 'anaphora'.
"..The real question is why you're more supportive of the big banks and Wall Street and the protesters.
.."
because I keep the money I've saved in a 'big' bank and Wall Street has the money I set aside for retirement.
"If this was a group run by the Tea Party the usual contributors here would be screaming to high heaven abot police brutality."
You really had the nerve to posit that? Given the many peaceful Tea Party rallies, you still had the nerve to base your hypothetical on a Tea_Party/Police clash?
OK. I'll bite> IF this was a group run by the Tea Party ... I'd be embarassed for the Tea Party.
Lars: when you posted your comment to which I resonded, it was exactly thomas paine's pamphlet that came to mind: summer patriots. Thanks for your comment.
Freeman Hunt - "Seriously though, I don't see anything disturbing in the video. I don't see much of anything at all."
WASHINGTON -- The Oakland Police Department fired tear gas on Occupy Oakland demonstrators Tuesday night as they marched through downtown, determined to reclaim the camp that officers destroyed that morning. As the marchers zigged and zagged in search of safe ground, authorities bombarded and barricaded the activists into a drawn-out stalemate that resulted in further arrests.
The local police's use of force seriously injured an Occupy activist and Iraq War veteran.
Scott Olsen, 24, remains sedated on a respirator, in stable but critical condition at Oakland’s Highland Hospital after being hit in the head with a police projectile.
Damn, Love--I do hope the projectile survived the encounter
LarsPorsena ..."because I keep the money I've saved in a 'big' bank and Wall Street has the money I set aside for retirement."
So you do support the big banks and Wall Street? And the 700 billion bank bailout?
Why?
In the afternoon, on the third visit, when protesters started pelting the cops with paint cans, the police used tear gas. As much as I'm against today's militarized police forces, these protesters provoked the cops to get exactly the spectacle they wanted. No sympathy.
Cops were using tear gas as a defense against paint cans? Didn't see any of that in any of the videos I watched. Don't buy it either. Unwittingly, you've just given the the government the authority to do the same thing to you. Hippies were gassed this time, so there is no possible way the government can ever do any wrong. Always trust the government!
Roger - "Damn, Love--I do hope the projectile survived the encounter."
I realize you're just trying to hang in with your friends here, but I find that comment to be rather strange, considering you and others here always touting their support of those who fight for their country...to preserve our Constitutional rights.
Will you feel as hopeful if the kid dies?
Always trust the government!
Back on message, I see...
I was in a Drum and Bugle Corps and I also teach Drum and Bugle Corps.
Tits.
Do the OWS people seriously not understand that physcially occupying a place and refusing to leave is *itself* a "use of force?" I'm beginning to think not.
Love said...
LarsPorsena ..."because I keep the money I've saved in a 'big' bank and Wall Street has the money I set aside for retirement."
So you do support the big banks and Wall Street? And the 700 billion bank bailout?
Why?
President Obama has assured me that all of the $700 miilion has been repaid ..with interest. He wouldn't kid me, would he?
10/26/11 2:46 PM
Oh and Love, you never answered my question about why you cited those years specifically, 1979 and 2007.
Do you have an answer or not?
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Unwittingly, you've just given the the government the authority to do the same thing to you. Hippies were gassed this time, so there is no possible way the government can ever do any wrong. Always trust the government
Garage, the Government has ALWAYS had this right….let the North American Man-Boy Love Association or the American Nazi Party camp out in Frank Ogawa Plaza, for one-half this length of time and the Government would have moved them on….Just because you approve of the Smelly Hippies doesn’t mean that they have MORE rights than anyone else, Garage.
Roger - "Damn, Love--I do hope the projectile survived the encounter."
I realize you're just trying to hang in with your friends here, but I find that comment to be rather strange, considering you and others here always touting their support of those who fight for their country...to preserve our Constitutional rights.
Will you feel as hopeful if the kid dies?
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He hung around with a mob of criminals and predictably got hurt.
But still, it would be best to wait for an actual news source to report this rather than a blog on Huffpo.
Love: yes I was being facetious, but please do not deign to lecture me on what service is like and wht the dangers of going in harms way are like. You have no idea. And trust me baby cakes--I dont post on here to gain the approbation of the other folks that post on here.
Hard for the police to look good from this perspective
yeah armed thugs in riot gear,tear-gassing and beating people--doesn't look great. Tho' admittedly throwing bottles/rocks at Alameda cop is not too bright in this day and age (that is, assuming reports are accurate).
Lars - "President Obama has assured me that all of the $700 miilion has been repaid ..with interest. He wouldn't kid me, would he?"
It was 700 BILLION, not million.
And it was not Obama who signed the bill in the first place.
It was George W. Bush.
Try to catch up.
Oh--and Love--frankly, my dear (channeling Rhett Butler), I dont give a damn.
That video was a major letdown. Not much of anything happened.
Sofa - I mere;y posted the study that was requested by Senators Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, when he was the senior Republican on the panel.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
So you do support the big banks and Wall Street? And the 700 billion bank bailout
False dichotomy…it’s like World War Two, I don’t have to LIKE Stalin, just dislike Hitler more…in a choice between the status quo and a TEA Party reality, I’d choose the TEA Party version of public policy, but in a choice between the status quo the smelly hippies of Occupy(City) and their Marxist/Anarchist/Nihilist Dreams, I choose the status quo.
Roger - "Love: yes I was being facetious, but please do not deign to lecture me on what service is like and wht the dangers of going in harms way are like. You have no idea. And trust me baby cakes--I dont post on here to gain the approbation of the other folks that post on here."
You were trying to be cute, for your friends who post here daily, not taking the time to think through the ramifications of the kid possibly dying.
Lars - "President Obama has assured me that all of the $700 miilion has been repaid ..with interest. He wouldn't kid me, would he?"
It was 700 BILLION, not million.
And it was not Obama who signed the bill in the first place.
It was George W. Bush.
Try to catch up.
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He's talking about TARP II, which was signed by Obama and passed over the objections of Congressional conservatives only.
You really don't know shit about shit if you are unaware of something that basic.
'Love said...
Lars - "President Obama has assured me that all of the $700 miilion has been repaid ..with interest. He wouldn't kid me, would he?"
It was 700 BILLION, not million.'
oops..700 billion..but still..President Obama says it has all been repaid. President Obama and Secretary Geithner have repeatedly assured me.
Me, I'm trying to figure out where all the 'Stimulus' money went.
¶ The share of after-tax household income for the top 1 percent of the population more than doubled, climbing to 17 percent in 2007 from nearly 8 percent in 1979
Okay, so why did this happen? Any thoughts? Any specific occurrences that show causality? Is it merely official government economic policy that explains the statistics? Tax policy alone?
What other factors could be involved?
Is it inherently bad for society? I would assume that you believe so, and would empathize with tax the rich policies under the aegis of fairness.
Is it easier to increase income more easily in an increasing globalized economy rather than in a more closed, national economy?
Is it easier to more greatly increase income in an age of information?
Is the increase at the top directly related to a decrease at the bottom? Is it at the expense of the bottom fifth?
Has their been a systemic abuse of the laws which govern our society that have resulted in such?
Sofa - I mere;y posted the study that was requested by Senators Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, when he was the senior Republican on the panel.
No, you didn't. You posted exactly two data points from that study. I want to know WHY THOSE TWO. This is not a hard question. If you don't know, just say so.
Uh oh Byro-Reve-Barry-Tradguy-Mary-Deborah-stoner-LDS troll has now put on his kumbayah schtick--and his dress and make up-- as Miss "Love"
Why not go down and party with the Alameda protesters radical dewd, er dudette, as you said you wanted to? Right down the street from yr Sac trailer park, whitey.
SPImmortal - The bank bailout bill was signed by George W. Bush.
On October 3, 2008, the Senate passed the $700 billion bank bailout bill. The guts of the bill was the same as the three page document submitted on September 21, 2008, by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
Get it?
Unwittingly, you've just given the the government the authority to do the same thing to you.
No, I WITTINGLY give the police the authority to tear gas me if I forcibly occupy a public space for weeks against posted and verbal warnings while I use and sell drugs, beat other protesters, block emergency vehicles, crap on the lawn, and throw bottles at the cops when they show up.
Reasonable time, manner, and place restrictions on first amendment rights are, and always have been, enforceable.
Um Love--reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit--I explained that to you. Try again baby cakes. I will try this again: I post my opinions. I dont give a damn what the commentariat thinks of them. As for the topic at hand, ie, the life or death of a prostestor--He put himself in harms way and is now paying the price for his decision. Sad--life happens
Sofa King said..."No, you didn't. You posted exactly two data points from that study. I want to know WHY THOSE TWO. This is not a hard question. If you don't know, just say so."
I have no idea what the hell you're referring to. I'm assuming we're talking about what I posted:
"Top Earners Doubled Share of Nation’s Income, Study Finds"
(10/26/11 2:21 PM)
¶ The share of after-tax household income for the top 1 percent of the population more than doubled, climbing to 17 percent in 2007 from nearly 8 percent in 1979.
¶ The most affluent fifth of the population received 53 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, up from 43 percent in 1979. In other words, the after-tax income of the most affluent fifth exceeded the income of the other four-fifths of the population.
¶ People in the lowest fifth of the population received about 5 percent of after-tax household income in 2007, down from 7 percent in 1979.
¶ People in the middle three-fifths of the population saw their shares of after-tax income decline by 2 to 3 percentage points from 1979 to 2007.
The study was requested by Senators Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, when he was the senior Republican on the panel.
but but but, don't you remember the teabagger head stomper and the ones brought guns to Obama's townhall meeting????
In the end, it's Oakland and it just reflects badly on blue cities.
Saith Mick: "And still the Tea Party is dissed by the media as extemists, racists, and nativists, while these OWS prtests are full of antisemitism, signs urging people to practice cannibalism on the 'rich', defecation on private property, outward Communists, and hundreds of arrests."
Well, when I attended a Tea Party protest, I did see protesters with water bottles. They were drinking from them, not throwing them at police, but still...
SPImmortal - The bank bailout bill was signed by George W. Bush.
On October 3, 2008, the Senate passed the $700 billion bank bailout bill. The guts of the bill was the same as the three page document submitted on September 21, 2008, by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
Get it?
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There was a second bank bailout, Tarp II, which was signed by Obama. Tarp I went through with the agreement of candidate Obama. These are pretty basic facts which you seem to be totally unaware of.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
I have no idea what the hell you're referring to. I'm assuming we're talking about what I posted
Love, he’s referring to EXACTLY WHY those two data appoints were chosen….this is not difficult, it’s like comparing Bush’s entering unemployment rate and his exiting one and proclaiming him a FAILURE, but ignoring the intervening rates….
Roger - To say that an American, protesting, "put himself in harms way and is now paying the price for his decision. Sad--life happens," makes you look like a very small person.
Oh, and also a real prick.
garage - you explicitly support rioting. You are scum.
"Love said...
SPImmortal - The bank bailout bill was signed by George W. Bush.
On October 3, 2008, the Senate passed the $700 billion bank bailout bill
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and since it's all been repaid..with interest, no harm, no foul.
It's now 2011 not 2008. Where was your outrage in 2008? Holding it in check? Why so?
Roger - To say that an American, protesting, "put himself in harms way and is now paying the price for his decision. Sad--life happens," makes you look like a very small person.
Oh, and also a real prick.
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Bad things happen to criminals. True story.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
put himself in harms way and is now paying the price for his decision. Sad--life happens," makes you look like a very small person.
Oh, and also a real prick
But truthful…you go out where people are shooting bean bags and tossing tear gas whilst wearing armour and you have a T-shirt and ball cap, you are placing yourself in harm’s way….
Joe - I didn't choose those two points. Scott pulled them out of my initial posting of the primary points.
I merely responded.
Get it?
*But it's always nice to see someone take the time to defend another contributor.
Are you close friends?
oops..700 billion..but still..President Obama says it has all been repaid. President Obama and Secretary Geithner have repeatedly assured me.
Me, I'm trying to figure out where all the 'Stimulus' money went.
TARP and Stimulus were two different pieces of legislation. TARP was signed by Bush, Treasury only dispersed around $450 billion of the $700 billion fund, a big bulk of it has been paid back (with interest), and currently CBO projects it will ultimately cost taxpayers $19 billion that we'll never see again.
Stimulus, or the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, signed by Obama, was supposed to cost $700 billion, ended up costing $847 billion (and still rising), did not stimulate the economy as much as promised/projected, and is essentially $847 billion we'll never see again.
People confuse the two because they cost about the same and were supposed to do roughly the same thing--prop up a poor economy. But the effects of both could not be more different!
Love/Hate, is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieeNvciXULM
I have no idea what the hell you're referring to.
I know you don't.
You don't actually know that 1979 and 2007 represent the bottommost and topmost outliers, respectively.
You don't know that I could just as easily say that the share of after-tax household income for the top 1 percent of the population actually declined from 1936 to 2009. And that figure is actually more plausible because that's without even using outliers.
Joe - Oh, give me a break.
The kid deserves exactly what he got, maybe even to die...because he was in the way?
Are you crazy?
Hopefully Oakland PD breaks more skulls and other bones!
See Sofa King? You erroneously stated that Love posted two data points, when in reality she posted four. Shame on you!
Now, if she could just explain what those data points mean, and why the study chose 1979 through 2007 specifically, we'd be in business. Hint: Something huge happened in 2008 that makes those data points perfectly moot.
TARP and Stimulus were two different pieces of legislation. TARP was signed by Bush, Treasury only dispersed around $450 billion of the $700 billion fund, a big bulk of it has been paid back (with interest), and currently CBO projects it will ultimately cost taxpayers $19 billion that we'll never see again.
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Not completely accurate. Only about half the 700 billion in funds allocated by TARP I were used. Obama signed TARP II which spent the other half, plus the stimulus on top of that.
Sofa - It wasn't MY study.
It was a study was requested by Senators Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, when he was the senior Republican on the panel.
Good lord...I merely posted the primary points.
If you disagree...send a letter to Baucus and Grassley. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.
Love: I will let the people with whom I served make that judgment. Now I fully confess that I am indeed I am a real prick--I fully acknowledge that.
If saying a dumb son of a bitch took a round in the head protesting, what, precisely, is a bit over the top--not my problem; he received the consequences of his action- Again, missy--life isnt very fair
Every picture and every minute of video is 10,000 more people voting Republican next year.
Kensington said...
I hope they do try to stick it out through the Winter. It could end up being the biggest crowd of frozen solid Communists and Nazis since the last days of the Battle of Stalingrad.
And we have a winner!
PS That's pretty much what you've got anyway.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Joe - I didn't choose those two points. Scott pulled them out of my initial posting of the primary points.
I merely responded.
Get it?
*But it's always nice to see someone take the time to defend another contributor.
Are you close friends
And yet you never answered, most likely because you CAN’T…it’s like quoting a Rasmussen or any other poll, without looking at the cross-tabs and sampling information you can’t tell much about VALIDITY…so why did those two points get chosen, 1979 and 2007? They are NOT intuitively obvious, 28 years? Why, could it be because 1979 was a LOW point and 2007 a HIGH point, and hence the differences would be dramatic, but not necessarily REPRESENTATIVE?
No Scott and I aren’t particularly close, he being some kind of airplane exit freak and believer in the CEZA…I just believe he is nailing your sad @$$ on points and felt it needed to be pounded home.
SPImmortal - Once again: George W. Bush signed the bank bailout bill.
Are you still
saying he didn't sign it?
Joe - Oh, give me a break.
The kid deserves exactly what he got, maybe even to die...because he was in the way?
Are you crazy?
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He wasn't in the way. He was there with the rest of the mob to attack the cops, after attacking them earlier in the day, after being forcibly dispersed for all manner of criminal activity.
People here aren't in favor of violent mobs, especially commie mobs filled with vagrant white trash. As a general it's your own doing if your one involved with a mob and get hurt.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The kid deserves exactly what he got, maybe even to die...because he was in the way?
Are you crazy
DESERVES, no doesn’t DESERVE to die, only Yhwh can make that judgment, MAY die, because he was at the wrong place and time….so sorry if that bothers you.
Not completely accurate. Only about half the 700 billion in funds allocated by TARP I were used. Obama signed TARP II which spent the other half, plus the stimulus on top of that.
Whoops! I didn't realize TARP 2 was its own legislation. I only ever heard of it as Treasury deciding to use the original, unspent TARP funds as stimulus, but didn't hear of them actually doing it. Thanks for pointing that out.
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