At around 9:30 p.m., there was a tense faceoff between protesters and police officers on Broadway at 14th Street. About 100 officers, some appearing to be sheriff’s deputies, stood behind a metal barricade in full riot gear and wearing gas masks, while on the other side people pressed against the barricade, waving peace signs and chanting slogans. A few protesters hurled objects — what looked like water bottles — at the police, while over a loud speaker, officers instructed people to disperse or risk “chemical agents.”The street-level video looks very chaotic and dramatic. It's pure emotion. Hard for the police to look good from this perspective:
October 26, 2011
Police versus Occupy protesters in Oakland.
Lots of photos and video.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 495 of 495@garage, I thought I had explained the reasons for my skepticism.
I wasn't aware of his alleged mother making statements alleging that her son was a marine with two tours under his belt.
As I said, the truth will come out. So just chill, bro'
Michael - "Why would lefty cops shoot a Marine in the face with a beanbag, thaT is the question that ought to be asked."
I don't remember seeing or certainly not posting myself anything implying anything of the kind.
Based on that; your question makes no sense.
As for "lefty cops"...you actually think that the police officers in specific cities are required to lean in a particular political direction?
Get a grip.
I find it interesting that much that is being posted here today, by the rabid anti-protester group, is almost identical to what was said about the Vietnam protesters.
And we ALL know who was proven to be right about that fiasco.
Do we get to ask that question to the boat people?
It is a nice trick to deflect the conversation from the violent actions of Democratic administrations against the peaceful occupiers of public spaces in Oakland and Atlanta but it is a dishonest trick. Democratic governments are shooting peaceful vets in the face and lefty commenters want to change the conversation to a failure of conservatives to cry about the vet. They wont condemn the violent Democratic administrations that are squashing free speech.
Big Mike - "I wasn't aware of his alleged mother making statements alleging that her son was a marine with two tours under his belt."
So now it's his "alleged" mother?
She's literally quoted in any number of news reports, along with the kid's friends and fellow soldiers.
Are they ALL caught up in some kind of incredible conspiracy?
Are you people losing your minds??
Michael - "Democratic governments are shooting peaceful vets in the face and lefty commenters want to change the conversation to a failure of conservatives to cry about the vet."
You really need to bone up on your reading comprehension.
Nobody is changing anything. My comments, along with a few others, relates to people literally suspecting the kid of lying about his actual service...until, of course, they have ample proof of such service.
His mother, friends and fellow soldiers can't be believed, and his association with Veterans For Peace is also a searing hot point.
As if a veteran soldier could possibly want "peace."
Embarrassing.
Democratic Oakland administration unleashed their violence on a peaceful group and may have killed a former vet, a two time volunteer to Iraq, a war that was violently opposed by Oakland residents and their representatives.
The injured man was a vet and was shot by a Democratic administration when peacefully demonstrating.
Michael & Love
[Oakland] administration and its police force are liberal(s)
If they were 'liberals' in the way you [Michael] mean the police wouldn't be out there with tear gas and weapons.
But, yes, they are police officers in a city that has the highest crime rate in America. That alone does make it understandable that they are on the offensive. That said, I am not sure if they purposely shot this vet.
The truth is [Love] Oakland police are actually a lot more reactionary than NY police - but the scene is quite different. I don't envy the cops in Oakland and if I were a protestor there I would pay attention if the police laid down a curfew.
It doesn't excuse the injury to anyone though - because I DO believe most of the protestors mean no harm.
Why so many here side with the big banks and Wall Street is strange indeed.
You know, back in the days of the Viet Nam protests, I recollect that an awful lot of the protesters only got serious about protesting after they wound up with low draft lottery numbers, and conversely a lot of folks lost interest when their numbers were 250 or higher. Well, except for the people who wanted to raise Hell generally.
The reason that so many of us are against #OWS has nothing to do with our being "for" banks and financial firms. They fill a necessary role, when properly regulated, but it's clear that in the 21st century they took long risks with money that they had a fiduciary requirement to look after. (Did I say that right, Professor?) So, no, I'm not "for" banks and financial firms as they are currently constituted, incentivized, or regulated. But that doesn't mean I'm "for" #OWS, either. I'm not "for" people who think they have a right to defecate and urinate on other people's property. I'm not "for" people who think that they have a right to pound drums in residential areas any time of the day or night. I'm not "for" people who have suddenly discovered that their degrees in something-or-another "studies" are worthless. They've screwed themselves, and they want somebody else to pay for it. Why would anyone sane be "for" that?
"Can you imagine something like this happening to teabaggers?"
No, garage. I can't.
Because I'd have to *imagine* the Tea Party failing to get a permit and failing to follow the rules for the permit and failing to pick up after themselves and failing to go home after an hour or three of rally or march.
No, I can't imagine this EVER happening to anyone at a Tea Party event.
Curious George said;
Nope. If the teargas and pepper spray doesn't work, then time to thump some skulls.
10/26/11 3:32 PM
You got your wish , the young Marine veteran who did two tours in Iraq has a skull fracture. The rhetoric that many of the Althouse conservatives have posted here today in this thread shows you for what you truly are. This thread is sickening , you haters should be so proud of yourselves. Coke town says he will pray for this young Marine, maybe he should pray for his fellow Althouse conservatives.
Love. What is embarassing is that the vet was shot by a liberal repressive administration, a Democratic administration. What is embarassing is that lefties dont mind shooting vets when it suits their aims. What is embarassing is that sanctimonious lefties are always on high alert when conservative administrations crack down on peaceful demonstrators but dont mention the politics of lefty administrations when they are repressive. What is embarassing is to read your posts as though you had been supportive of Iraq and those who served there.
@Love, I was baiting garage and caught you by mistake. Lucky for you I'm into catch and release.
You'll note that garage knew better than to rise to a a dough ball like that one.
Good on you, garage.
Love. You are aware, are you not, that the city of Oakland, its administration and its police force are liberal(s)
You have no idea how many cops in Oakland are liberals. You just pulled some shiny keys out of your ass to justify the action the OPD took. Because your idea of civil liberties means "whatever my side needs to do to win".
Love these Althouse conservatives also gave me hours worth of nasty comments when I commented here that my daughter is in the Navy, a Corpsman serving with the Marines in Afghanistan.
They cannot come to grips with the fact that liberals and Democrats are patriots. They want to see us only as dirty hippies that are deserving of skull thumping . In Hitlers Germany one of the first things that was done was to portray Jews as less than human, so when they were rounded up and murdered it was only getting rid of dirty vermin.
"Mitochondri-Allie said...
Curious George said;
You got your wish , the young Marine veteran who did two tours in Iraq has a skull fracture."
And that's on all these OWS assholes who refused a lawful order to disperse, and threw rocks and other crap at the cops.
Same crap is happening in Atlanta.
It is time, well past time actually, for these clowns to be cleared out. A civil society cannot tolerate this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20125734/occupy-waste-noise-test-neighbors-patience/
That alone does make it understandable that they are on the offensive.
No! Do not fall for this bullshit. They don't get to decide where their offense starts and your rights end.
Michael
Stop being contrarian and absurd. This has nothing to do with what political persuasion the police may or may not be. This happened because the police there are under a lot of strain due to the high crime rate in Oakland. Unfortunately for everyone involved things elevated to tear gas being used on protesters.
I don't know all the facts that led to the use of tear gas and neither do you. But for the sake of those injured I think one should step back and show a bit of respect and compassion - after all these are protesters not violent drug dealers packing heat.
Love these Althouse conservatives also gave me hours worth of nasty comments
Yeah... you know, that complaint would sound a lot more sincere if you didn't follow it up by comparing them to genocidal fascists.
Evan Coyne Maloney, at OWS trying to give away Che rolling papers.
shown on you tube video : "Conservative Blogger Giving Away Bongs for Gotcha Photo-ops at Occupy Wall Street"
after all these are protesters not violent drug dealers packing heat.
We know they were protesters, and can assume they weren't drug dealers.
But your assumption that they were peaceful and unarmed is simply that -- an assumption. Like you said, we don't know the details yet.
"Non-lethal" only means "non-lethal unless something goes wrong."
The fact this guy was a vet is irrelevant to anything. It's almost not even interesting.
The police shot bean-bags (?) into the crowd to disperse it, and "something went wrong" because this guy caught one exactly in the wrong way. Bad luck.
Could have been some 18 year old female honor student.
Could have been a bum.
As for the police not being justified... at what point would they be justified?
@garage, for a change you're right on. The fact that Oakland and nearby Berkeley are so far to the left, politically, that they're almost out of sight says nothing about their police force.
Similar situation across the Potomac river from me, in Prince Georges County Maryland. Lefty-politics in a majority Black county, but the police are nothing that even a white guy like me wants to cross. A couple years back one of them heard that a wanted drug dealer was driving a large black SUV with some sort of out of state plates. The officer, dressed for an undercover assignment with gangsta clothes and dreadlocks, was out driving around and came across a university student in a Jeep Cherokee, chased him into Virginia, bottled him up in a cul-de-sac, and when the young man, named Prince Jones, tried to get away the PG county officer put 16 bullets into the Jeep, including four into the back of the student.
The officer was never charged with a crime.
Description here.
So, bottom line, the fact that the politics of Oakland are far left-wing lunatic fringe does not preclude the likelihood that their police are "authoritarian" in nature (how's that for a euphemism?)
Revenant, the fact that my daughter is serving with the Marines in Afghanistan has nothing to do with my comparison. From the comments I have read here today on this thread, my comparison may be frighteningly accurate.
@garage
Huh. Sounds familiar. Just a janitor though...
Yeah, and these guys were just making a traffic stop.
You have no idea about life in Oakland...but flail on.
"Stop being contrarian and absurd. This has nothing to do with what political persuasion the police may or may not be. This happened because the police there are under a lot of strain due to the high crime rate in Oakland. Unfortunately for everyone involved things elevated to tear gas being used on protesters."
Matt, I have to say, you seem to be in an incredibly reasonable mood.
Oakland *is* bad. The police are supposed to keep people safe. Camping out overnight is going to attract all the bad sorts along with the idealists.
Why not cooperate and "occupy" during daylight hours? Would that really be so horrible? I don't think so. People should have some sense.
So, bottom line, the fact that the politics of Oakland are far left-wing lunatic fringe does not preclude the likelihood that their police are "authoritarian" in nature (how's that for a euphemism?).
Like most righties, you really have no idea what your entire premise is based upon. Or you're lying. Either way it's always hard to tell.
It wasn't just the OPD that was present last night. Several different law enforcement agencies, from different locations, were present last night. Not to mention you still have no idea how many liberals or conservatives make up the OPD. Excuse excuse excuse. And you never seem to tire of it.
Yes, but just because the NYT has been fooled in the past does not mean that they are fooled every single time.
They've been fooled A LOT and this is a movement they agree with rather completely...willful ignorance is a powerful tool.
Why would the status of the injured vet no be verified?
Because getting a DD-214 from an injured person tends to not be a super quick process.
I don't think anything I have read from Love would indicate she is far left. She seems more of a moderate actually.
Everybody is a moderate...to themselves.
(In response to my comment)
What did the women who were corralled in the orange nets in New York do to provoke, when the white shirt cop maced them.
Joe the Crypto Jew said;
"They were Smelly Hippies, do you need a better reason?"
10/26/11 11:36 AM
Shame, I bet your Bubba is proud of you.
Revenant, the fact that my daughter is serving with the Marines in Afghanistan has nothing to do with my comparison.
Which is why I didn't mention your daughter. Just your comparison and your complaints.
Love or garage?
Good Lord, garage! You don't even like it when I offer up support.
Sheesh.
(I said)
Love these Althouse conservatives also gave me hours worth of nasty comments ( after I commented that my daughter was serving with the Marines in Afghanistan AND that she was a liberal).
Revenant said;
"Yeah... you know, that complaint would sound a lot more sincere if you didn't follow it up by comparing them to genocidal fascists."
So my complaint isn't SINCERE because I made the comparison? It was OK for Althouse conservatives to say that I was lying about my daughter serving and going on for hours in this dispicable way they often seem to , when they feel threatened by a liberal patriotic American, because all you conservatives know the are all just dirty hippies, right?
Now some of you nice folks are trying to say the young Marine veteran in Oakland with the skull fracture wasn't REALLY in the Marines, right , he is a fake too right?
10/26/11 7:27 PM
All the little fascists are coming out of the woodwork. That's a good thing. I long suspected Curious 3rd Grade Grammar of being one. Now confirmed. No wonder he loves Walker.
Yup Garage, they are not even ashamed enough of themselves to try to pretend anymore, what does that say about their own humanity?
So my complaint isn't SINCERE because I made the comparison?
Yes. Nobody is much interested in hearing an asshole whine about how mean other people are.
The Pro Life Party, Pro Military Party, Pro Civil Liberties Party, and Pro Jesus Party. It is indeed a crock, isn't it.
Revenant, it is it way more than just complaining about how "mean" someone is , it's my observation that conservatives have lost their way, they have jumped the hate shark and that there is something deeply wrong with hating ones political opponent THAT much. Don't like the mirror I put in front of you Althouse conservatives?
Matt. The cops work for the Democratic administration in Oakland. They do not unilaterally make decisions that are not supported by the liberal Democratic administration of the City of Oakland. I know you lefties would like to ignore that fact, but there it is. And they shot a vet in the face. Own it, Oakland.
M-A. The liberal Democratic administration of Oakland ordered the attack that injured the vet. This is an abomination and you want to talk about your feelings. Focus your anger on the liberal Democratic mayor of Oakland and his lefty administration.
As mean as Republicans are they do not represent administrations that have attacked peaceful demonstrators.
Michael, if the liberal administration does not investigate and fire the cop who did this ,I will give them blame too. I am mainly commenting on what I have been reading here on this thread by Althouse conservative commenters and the disgusting level of bile and that they show to their fellow Americans. A few days ago Eddutcher said he doesn't consider Liberals American. So what are they now the enemy?
"It was OK for Althouse conservatives to say that I was lying about my daughter serving and going on for hours in this dispicable way they often seem to ,"
IIRC, it seemed like you were using your daughter's service to justify something or other, which is lame, sounds lame, etc. 25% of the active military (last I heard) are Democrats. I get that it's traumatic to worry about your daughter, but in the end, she serves, you don't. Borrowing her moral authority rubs the wrong way. Get your own.
(Yes, I have a DD214, and yes, I know first hand that people in the military hold a wide range of opinions and beliefs.)
M-A. The liberal Democratic administration of Oakland ordered the attack that injured the vet.
With desperation like that I'm starting to think you are actually in the top 1% as you claim.
Revenant, it is it way more than just complaining about how "mean" someone is
I'm afraid you don't get it.
The problem is that you, yourself, are clearly an ignorant and hateful person. Ergo nobody will take you seriously when you whine about how horrible other people are. You're part of the problem. You're one of the nasty people you're whining about.
M-A. Yes, but we are talking about the repressive actions of a Democratic administration in one of the most liberal cities in the US. This horrible action was done by Democrats not by Conservatives. Democrats ordered rubber bullets fired into a peaceful crowd. Democrats, not conservatives. Oakland owns this.
IIRC, it seemed like you were using your daughter's service to justify something or other,
Also, don't post anonymously and then demand that your stories about your private life be taken as gospel.
"there is something deeply wrong with hating ones political opponent THAT much."
Ah, yes.
The Tea Party racist, terrorist (said by national Dem officals), trying to destroy America (I believe I have that one in my in-box from a bonafide local Dem candidate), teabagger, fascist, haters, Uncle Tom (if you're black), responsible for every violent loon that shows his face.
Yes, hating your political opponent that much is deeply wrong.
Synova, what, not interesting enough for you?
"Non-lethal" only means "non-lethal unless something goes wrong."
The fact this guy was a vet is irrelevant to anything. It's almost not even interesting.
The police shot bean-bags (?) into the crowd to disperse it, and "something went wrong" because this guy caught one exactly in the wrong way. Bad luck.
Could have been some 18 year old female honor student.
Could have been a bum.
10/26/11 7:30 PM
Oh it would never be an 18 year old honor student, dontcha know they are all dirty hippies who deserve to be shot in the face? You people are such hypocrites it's sickening. Did one of you have the guts or decency to call out your fellow Althouse conservatives to stop their despicable comments about the veracity of my claim that my daughter serves? Cowards and hypocrites.
Face it... When your feelings are hurt it is a tragedy. When someone else is insulted you don't even notice.
Everyone is that way to some extent. But when someone points out that the exact same or even harsher or even violent language is used on the other side as well you don't get to say that your side is the only one that didn't mean it, your side is the only one that doesn't encourage loonies to go off the deep end because some "comic" is tweeting to kill Sarah Palin or some other "comic" is saying bankers should be beheaded or yet some other comic is joking about raping conservative women or the freaking Vice President of the United States of America just called the opposition rapists.
Cuz that was just talk. La de da.
OMG!!!!!!! SOMEONE QUESTIONED MY PATRIOTISM!!!!!
And seriously... Questioning if you had made up a daughter serving was not *despicable*. It was reasonable in response to the fact that 1) on the internet no one knows you are a dog, and 2) people often make up shit, particularly friends or family or personal political histories, and 3) you were using your daughter's service to prop up your own moral authority.
Getting your panties in a wad because 1) you expect not to be questioned, and 2) you get questioned anyway, makes you look like a whiner.
Many commenters here have mentioned their children and some personal aspects of their lives, what the conservatives here didn't like was that I stated stated she was serving in the military and was a liberal, you haters just couldn't come to grips with that. JUST like questioning the fact the injured Marine veteran was REALLy in the Marines, you people are disgusting, I'm done with this thread.
Ah, yes.
Synova, don't forget 8 years of chimpy mcbush hilter and Darth Cheney! It's hard to take this particular complaint seriously (especially using a phrase like "hate shark". Lord.)
I'm sure everyone hopes this guy gets better, whatever the status of his dd214. I also dislike the 'bloody flag waving' being used as if it's some sort of trump card that the person hurt was a vet. Vets are people to, and they can be every bit as wrong as anybody else.
We don't know if you're really a military mom, so we'll smear you as not being a military mom. Because it will never be proven either way!
I'm done with this thread.
But you made such important contributions! Without you, none of the other left-wingers would have thought to call us a bunch of Nazi wanna-bes. That was some innovative material.
"Synova, what, not interesting enough for you?"
Other aspects might be *interesting* and other aspects are most certainly *relevant*...
The fact that this person was a vet is neither.
That he *might* have been a *paid* protester is interesting, and if he was, it might even be relevant.
The fact that this is downtown Oakland is both interesting and relevant because no one in their right mind goes to Oakland at night (my husband worked there for a few years) and also because the police in Oakland have a reputation for brutality.
If that brutality is simply a departmental/culture thing, or a response to gangs and violent crime, is also interesting and possibly relevant.
That OWS feels like camping out in Oakland indefinitely and making it impossible for the police to do their jobs and expecting to be safe at the same time is a good strategy is relevant and annoying.
It COULD have been an 18 year old honor student caught up in the idealism who caught a bean bag the wrong way and ended up in intensive care. HER I would have felt sorry for, on account of children aren't entirely responsible for being stupid.
What I wonder is... why doesn't anyone seem to want to blame the Movement?
BTW, Occupy 'Burque is getting kicked out of its little occupation, too, because of crime, drugs and alcohol (and a death) and violating the conditions of the permit they got.
It seems like drugs, disorder and crime are typical of the Movement.
Oakland is just a worse place before they even got started.
"We don't know if you're really a military mom, so we'll smear you as not being a military mom. Because it will never be proven either way!"
Is it a smear? I suppose it's a smear to suggest someone might not be telling the truth. But the fact is no one knows, and when a person brings up some aspect of their personal life as proof of something, it's not proof.
Anon-military-mom got her feelings hurt because people were talking as though the military is conservative... and it is, 75% to 25% (though a whole lot of those percents aren't any more politically active than the general population.) Without bringing up the daughter anyone could have said that approx 25% of the military votes Democrat and no one would have doubted or smeared anything.
Mitochondri-Allie: what the conservatives here didn't like was that I stated stated she was serving in the military and was a liberal, you haters just couldn't come to grips with that.
Strawman. What we don't like is you using your daughter's service to prop up your politics.
JUST like questioning the fact the injured Marine veteran was REALLy in the Marines,
We only question because so many Leftist "vets" have been outed as frauds. That you and yours used his "vet" status to draw sympathy for your line of argument is one red flag. That he is a member of the Veterans For Peace movement is another red flag.
Its simple - based on experience, we no longer trust your claims of "veteran" status, especially when it patterns along all the other instances where your "hero" turned out to be a fraud.
you people are disgusting, I'm done with this thread.
Boo-hoo. You're pissed that we no longer give you the benefit of doubt? Thats like an Enron advisor throwing a tantrum because no one takes his calls anymore.
"Strawman. What we don't like is you using your daughter's service to prop up your politics."
This.
The daughter has her own politics. They may be similar to Mom's, but they are her own.
Could you link it all one more time. I still don't know (or care) what you're talking about.
Garage: I just did, Einstein. Click on the blue letters that say "Link".
The link won't say what you claim it says. Could you you link to it again? Or do you have a better link that, ya know, actually says what you claim it says. That would be nice.
[the boy who cried wolf! can't understand why I refuse to listen to him. Too funny]
But yes Garage, post another link for me. I'm sure that will change my mind.
Synova said...
Why not cooperate and "occupy" during daylight hours. Would that really be so horrible? I don't think so. People should have some sense.
I think the point of "occupying" round the clock is to remove the scare marks around occupy, in the public mind. Over time ownership accrues to the occupier, as in possession is 9/10ths of the law. I know that that's not legally the case but many will come to see it as the case. And that's their strategy. I'm not at all sanguine that winter weather will end this thing. Not with the deep pocket supporters behind it. Imagine if these occupations last into the spring. By then they will truly own places like Zucotti Park. Think of what force will be required to unlodge that built up and built in inertia. Who will dare do it? And note that this Love creature is going on and on about the injured marine. They've found a martyr. And they'll find more in the coming months. This thing is political dynamite. It is hugely dangerous.
Nice to see so many upstanding citizens justly horrified & outraged at seeing other Americans' Constitutional rights being summarily crushed by police violence (because surely people here are smart enough to figure out that it might be THEM next in line for the pepper-spray & baton treatment).
All two or three of them.
Yes, it is "hard for the police to look good" while they assault unarmed civilians. Althouse can rest easy: the police really don't care how they look - they care that they justify their salaries. If NORPs have to bleed or die to get that done, they don't care much about that either.
Liberal Media stalwart The Washington Post portrayed their coverage of the violence at Occupy Oakland with a picture of ... a cop petting a cat.
WV = "sting."
The link won't say what you claim it says. Could you you link to it again? Or do you have a better link that, ya know, actually says what you claim it says. That would be nice.
2nd grade stuff:
One thing is not like other, Fenny.
The original DK post: no bulls-eye.
Gateway Pundit version: bulls-eye
How did the bulls-eye get there?
"Nice to see so many upstanding citizens justly horrified & outraged at seeing other Americans' Constitutional rights being summarily crushed by police violence (because surely people here are smart enough to figure out that it might be THEM next in line for the pepper-spray & baton treatment)."
Which Constitutional Rights would those be?
Why does the label "protest" suddenly make illegal things a matter of Rights?
Do the protesters in my city have a Right to camp out on campus? If they have that right, why can't homeless camp out on campus all of the time?
If someone drank herself to death in a frat house on campus instead of at the Occupy protest on campus, would the frat house simply be partaking of its Constitutional Rights?
They pepper sprayed and arrested a bunch of people here, too.
In any case, it's likely that a few people will automatically come down on the side of the protesters. But I'm betting that there won't be a whole lot of sympathy. And if deep-pockets (thanks ricpic) maybe the protests will go through the winter and we can be accused of callously letting some poor soul freeze to death.
I think that people are stuck in a nostalgic 60's feed-back loop, all suffering and noble and shit. While the rest of us trying to deal with the crap economy and general despair and keeping our heads up look at them and see nothing but self-inflicted or even invited misery.
"I hung out with a mob, made a huge mess and a whole lot of noise, threw a public trantrum for weeks and then threw stuff at cops... finally the jack-booted thugs did their part and oppressed us. Success!"
garage: How did the bulls-eye get there?
What bulls-eye?
When are you going to figure out that I no longer go to your links? They've never panned out before, and all I did was waste time debunking them.
Do you get it now? You've cried wolf! so many times that I no longer bother to listen.
But go ahead and post another link. I like that I'm wasting your time the way you wasted mine.
What bulls-eye?
The one I directly linked to. You're an embarrassing fraud and douchebag. It was nice owning you for a few hours though, but that wore off a long time ago.
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2Fin4mant1&sort=dd&channel_id=0&livestreaming_tutorial=False&ytsession=%7B%7D&start=0&user=in4mant1&page=1&autoplay=True&gl=US
Another veteran at OW.
@Garage
Cops were using tear gas as a defense against paint cans? Didn't see any of that in any of the videos I watched. Don't buy it either.
Here (you can see paint thrown at .33 secs) and here.
What did this crowd think would happen after they surrounded a handful of police and pelted them with paint, bottles and other projectiles?
Kumbayah and mashmallows by the campfire?
I wouldn't presume to tell you what Madison is like, why do you think you know what is happening in Oakland?
Downtown Oakland barely has a pulse, it was badly damaged in the '89 quake, repeated riots, lawlessness and trashing have chased shoppers and retailers away...it's almost a ghost town except for City HAll/Ogawa Plaza, the Fed bldgs, Chinatown/Old Town from the flatiron bldg at the top of Broadway at 10th down to 5th. Most of the storefronts along Broadway are empty or small mom & pop/ethnic businesses struggling to survive.
The largest employer is the Federal govt..so who exactly is oppressing Oaklanders?
How is this helpful? Who are the protesters really hurting? The only people downtown are federal workers, people accessing city hall and the working poor. There haven't been any Banksters in Oakland for thirty years.
Protesting in Oakland is pointless...there is no there, there. For real.
I'm done with this thread.
10/26/11 8:49 PM
Another veteran at OW.
10/26/11 11:46 PM
Flouncing away in a huff only works if you don't come back, dude.
Think I can get Garage to throw me another link I won't bother to go to?
It could happen.
Hey Garage, I still don't see the "bullseye". Could you try again?
So noting that a city run by Democrats was justifiably violent is "desperate" but blaming conservatives for the actions if a government with no conservatives is peachy?
The whining about a veteran getting hurt from supporters of a government that believes returning vets are major threats to be terrorists is kinda funny.
Damikwsc. I think that liberals have been so ingrained with the notion that occupier protests represent their interests that they fail to note that it is Democratic mayors ordering these assaults on the pesceful protesters. "desperate" and "sad" are the two words they use when their worldview is assaulted by reason which is the weapon of conservatives.
Wow--long thread--
Wonder if any of the OWS protestors care about the economic damage they might be doing to shop owners and other independent business people's jobs they might be doing--I do hope someone examines the economic consequences of this "movement."
Great videos, BJM. They back up exactly what the police statement said. 10 cops surrounded by 500 screaming and trash-hurling protesters eventually choose to deploy tear gas to exit the situation safely. Unfortunately one guy in the crowd got hit by a canister.
Like I said last night, this situation is not at all about suppressing the right to free speech or peaceable assembly.
Matt said...
I don't think anything I have read from Love would indicate she is far left. She seems more of a moderate actually.
Proving your idiocy.
Love said...
SPImmortal - Once again: George W. Bush signed the bank bailout bill.
Once again:
The bank bailouts were written by Democrats, supported by Obama, and implemented by Obama.
You vote for Democrats and will vote for Obama again.
Therefore, you have no credibility on the issue of "bank bailouts"
Idiot.
ThisAintHEll weighs in:
Wearing their bloody shirt
"It’s terrible that Olsen has been injured in such a brutal fashion, what’s really terrible is the way the hippies and the pretend veterans of Veterans For Peace are using his broken carcass for their own purposes.
... he shouldn’t have been resisting the police, which is what all of the crowd were doing. The hippies are saying he was injured for “speaking out” but he wasn’t speaking out, he was breaking the law. Veterans don’t get a pass when they break the law, even if it’s just a law we don’t agree with.
Now, the hippies get to hide behind Olsen’s broken body and make a martyr of him... someone they would have spit on a few weeks ago and called a baby-killer. Scott, if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Laying down with VFP and IVAW gets you shot with rubber bullets. And then they get to use your unconcious body as a bloody shirt.
And IVAW gets to use your blood-stained image to raise money."
[IVAW fundraising letter at the link]
And their people are checking to see if he's really a vet. So far:
"Couldn’t find him in MOL. The only Scott Olsen on MOL is a Colonel.
This could just mean that he is completely free of his IRR time (at which time, MOL removes you from the system)."
...pending
what’s really terrible is the way the hippies and the pretend veterans of Veterans For Peace are using his broken carcass for their own purposes.
I'm still not understanding the left's logic here.
A "vet" gets clubbed by the cops in a Democratic, union friendly city, and therefore what ______ again?
Occupy Oakland politburo needs new playstations. Donate today!
American war hero shot down by Police! If you're a patriotic american, you'll contibute to our fundraising drive for more weed!
the address of the clinic where Scott is hospitalized so you can send your postcards to support him and his family through these difficult times:
USMC Scott Olsen
Highland Hospital
1411 East 31st Street
Oakland, CA 94602
new york - Fen doesn't believe he's a vet.
He thinks the kid and his mother and friends are all lying.
That's the kind of person Fen is.
Jay - "what’s really terrible is the way the hippies and the pretend veterans of Veterans For Peace are using his broken carcass for their own purposes."
I've read enough of your comments to understand what a jerk you are, but where does the "hippie" and "pretend veterans" thing come from?
Glenn Beck? Rush Limbaugh?
Do you ever actually think or speak for yourself?
Believe it or not, there are plenty of veterans who are more interested in peace than war.
Why is it so hard for you, Fen, Alex, Sofa and others to understand that?
Do you not read?
The guy the Democrat administration's violent response to peaceful demonstration is a vet. No question about it. What is odd, is that a liberal administration ordered the police to shut down this peaceful demonstration and somehow conservatives are being called out for improperly showing grief. Logic and reason do not comport with purely emotional political beliefs. The vet can be reached at the address that New York posted. The mayor can be reached at the Mayor's office. Perhaps the Occupy Oakland people will follow the tea party example and vote the liberal Mayor of Oakland out of office.
Love said...
Jay -
I've read enough of your comments to understand what a jerk you are, but where does the "hippie" and "pretend veterans" thing come from?
Hi dum-dum.
I didn't use those terms, I was quoting them to make a point.
You missed that, mainly because you are not that bright.
Have a great day.
Michael - You appear to be ignorant of what Mayors and Police do, whether the "administration" is Democratic or Republican.
If there's a problem, they deal with it...sometimes in a good way...sometimes not so good.
Why are you uninformed?
Do you ever read newspapers?
Jay - The passage you "quote" is exactly how you feel so please, don't give me the "Oh, you just don't understand" B.S.
Why?
Well, because, being the silly twit that you are, you immediately follow up with this:
"A 'vet' gets clubbed by the cops in a Democratic, union friendly city, and therefore what ______ again?"
As if when the administration is Democratic, and any unions are working in the city...they ignore any matters relating to specific situations relating to their police officer's duties.
In this case, the police overreacted, and any reasonable, informed person understands that.
You're both unreasonable and uninformed.
In this case, the police overreacted
Of course you have no proof this "vet" was injured by police.
But then again, you're stupid.
So you have that going for you.
As if when the administration is Democratic, and any unions are working in the city...they ignore any matters relating to specific situations relating to their police officer's duties.
Um, no, the lawbreakers were throwing objects at the police and the police acted appropriately.
You are an imbecile.
Love: I am in the 1%. How do you think I got here? I read the following: NYT, WSJ, FT, LA Times, Guardian, London Telegraph and The Hindu. Every day.
You?
It's Oakland. This is what they do practically daily. Nothing to see here.
New York:
USMC Scott Olsen
Highland Hospital
1411 East 31st Street
Oakland, CA 94602
USMC Scott Olsen? Really?
And you want to pretend they're not exploiting his "vet" status to prop up their politics? Pathetic.
Think about it - when do you ever address anyone that way? Like this:
Navy Ann Althouse
Highland Hospital
1411 East 31st Street
Oakland, CA 94602
Ugh..Highland is the county hospital...gang-banger/junkie central.
Wonder why they transported him to the county hospital and not the Kaiser ER which was closer or Alta Bates Summit? Maybe no ID?
I hope they get this guy to a better medical facility ASAP.
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