The prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg said: “Compared to other countries I wouldn’t say we have a big problem with right-wing extremists in Norway... But we have had some groups, we have followed them before, and our police is aware that there are some right-wing groups.”
He looks like this:
Adjust your stereotypes accordingly.
A Facebook page matching his name and the photo given out by the police was set up just a few days ago. It listed his religion as Christian and his politics as conservative. It said he enjoys hunting, the video games World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2, and books including Machiavelli’s “The Prince” and George Orwell’s “1984.”So, this is the information he wanted you to find. Assuming he set up this page and he is the murderer, these statement could either be precisely true, deliberate misinformation, or something in between.
The man knows about Machiavelli. What would Machiavelli post on Facebook before embarking on a massacre?
ADDED: Of course, disinformation is a big theme in Orwell’s "1984." I'm tempted to say that the cues that his statements are lies are so strong that they suggest paradoxically that he is not lying.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 234 of 234Come on Synova, your right-wing crowd has a real hatred of children. It isn't just Oslo and OK City. The wingnut at Waco didn't like 'em very much either. And your governor seems to want to take away their schools.
What did they ever do to you people? I mean, I don't like crying babies in restaurants and airplanes either, but I don't go killing 'em over it.
"TrueBlue" wrote:Michael, or what? You'll get really mad and buy a truck full of fertilizer and some diesel fuel, like your crowd likes to do?
Your crowd member Karleton Armstrong "liked" the same combo: fertilizer + diesel fuel.
But hmm, he had some help. One of them is still at large, aided and abetted by your ilk.
@Trueblue: Why do liberals hate grad students?
Geez, chickenlittle, who doesn't hate grad students?
The killer had 90 free minutes without cop interference to shoot his political targets (young Party activists). Fish in a barrel.
The Us learned some lessons after the horrifically inept cop performance at Columbine HS, where it took the heroes of law enforcement 3 hours and 52 minutes to enter the HS after the 1st shooting report. Long after the shooters were self-extinguished and many wounded had bled out.
New cop training helped save lives in the Seung-Hui Cho VT situation and with the Islamoid at Ft Hood. Even there, cops realized later, they lost many minutes on procedural stuff.
The Norwegians will see some changes as well. Granted the island was harder to get to, but cops were still assembling and briefing one another and discussing matters and going through official channels to get a boat - while civilians apparantly had made two round trip rescue attempts. And the initial cops landing on the island - with shootings continuing on another part of the island - tried "securing the new ops center, dealing with the wounded, opening up negotiations with the gunman..." for another 40 minutes. (Until the killer, having gone through his ammo, agreed to surrender)
CBS and NBC both had their correspondents in Oslo for the Evening News, and both of them mispronounced Anders Breivik's name.
So, did they ask any Norwegians what was going on, or did they just get off the plane and read off the screen what New York wrote for them to say?
You'd think Oslo would have one metro SWAT team. Maybe they did but they went the way of the Maytag repairman.
We have plenty of SWAT teams but we lost Maytag altogether.
It's obvious that they'll have to hand out guns in Oslo so the populace can defend itself against the marauding wingnut Christians.
Turns out the murderer over there loved the American nutcase blogs. I wonder if this one will show up on his list.
The world according to RC.
"it is for each nation to determine for themselves the appropriate sentencing guidelines, according to their own cultural and legal traditions and their own perception of what punishments are humane or inhumane, effective or ineffective, necessary or unnecessary."
Another nation. Makes no difference which nation or how insane their justice may appear to others. Take Saudi Arabia, for example. Please. All okay with Mr. Cook... they have that right, damnit!
"We, who are excessively savage in our customary and too often mandatory sentencing practices need serious sentencing reform legislation to reduce sentences. Like now."
"WE", the United States of America, happen to be the only country in the world that requires changes in its sentencing laws, according to Mr. Cook.
You make it too easy RC.
You might sell it to someone else, TB. But I'm not buying.
I give my ideological opponents more credit than that.
" ...both of them mispronounced Anders Breivik's name."
How?
I've already had three friends (independently) tell me that that guy looks like me. They did say I'm better looking, but still.
Presumably all folks from Norway (or 3/4 from there, like me) look alike......to racists!!!
Geez, the dude looks like he stepped out of an Abercrombie & Fitch catalog. What did he do for a living? Model clothing?
Think of all the fat American women who'll be writing to him in prison. If they really want him to suffer, he should be forced to read their poetry out loud.
pbandj... funny. ;-)
I saw Captain America today and the couple of Norwegians they had at the beginning looked so Norwegian that I sort of boggled. Did they not just cast random caucasian people and figure that was good enough? Seriously?
Guys - just ignore this "True Blue", I've never seen it before. It's a brand new moby troll created just today.
Synova,
My sister will be there in less than a month. She's vacationing for about three weeks.
I wonder if they'll treat her (as an American) differently because of this attack.
I have relatives who moved back there when their kids were in middle school (or so). The kids were so harassed for being American that they had to be home schooled. The Norwegians were very anti-Bush's-America. [The BHO Nobel doesn't seem like such a shock (lumping all nordic folks together) in this context, does it?]
Anyway, who knows if the Norwegians will be kinder to my sis. It'd be simpler to speculate about their reactions if this terrorist had been a Mohamed man.
BTW, did Althouse ever suspect that Muslim terrorists who make martyrdom videos were engaged in trickery?
I think that most (all) of the videos done by Islamic terrorists are trickery, of a sort, except for the fact that whatever the video is of, the obvious purpose is an attempt to manipulate public opinion. Or else why make them?
There was that one video of the captured American soldier that turned out to be a doll.
And then there are the media abetted efforts where the same screaming man appears over and over, a plush toy is moved to an artistic spot or people are posed dangling from stretchers or smoke is photoshopped into the picture.
More serious were some of the media abetted efforts in Iraq where photographer "stringers" just happened to witness assassinations or other attacks.
It seems to me at least that if someone sets up pages on the web a couple of days prior to a planned attack, whatever is there is meant to influence and manipulate one way or another. How "tricky" a person is depends on if they're crazy and smart or just around the bend crazy.
I'll opine that we will never know the full truth about this incident. Ever.
So, instead, we'll just bicker ourselves to death. Hmmm. A very more subtle intent perhaps.
There is some very smart evil out there.
In addition, it's not possible to be "Nazi" and "Christian fundamentalist" simultaneously. While both are leftist/socialist ideologies (one of naturalism, an asserted new religion [cf. Reifenstall), one of antinomianism [cf. the "church" on every USA corner phenomenon, especially in the Southern USA]), one is apostate/anti-Christian and the other is heretical/anti-Christian. They clash on starting and ending points.
When/if the truth of this attack in Norway comes out, it may reveal an internecine struggle between left-wing/socialist/Mohammedan factions in Norway and beyond. Definitely operator team and foreign state-sponsored.
I am confident this has nothing to do with Christianity or political libertarian conservatism (cf. Safire), which is the defining stochastic structure of the era.
According to leftwing blather, the Tea Party is already linked to a group whom the blond beast idolized. I'm sure this is just the beginning of the lefty handwringing and scolding.
There was that one video of the captured American soldier that turned out to be a doll.
Just like the dead children? What a disappointment! You're a right-wing nut, so you hate children. And they mean to tell us they were dolls? Bastards!
"So, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this was planned by the palistinians. To point a finger at Norway's right wing."
Very possible. And the "millions" of dollars behind it: certain, absolutely certain. And not "private donors" only, nation state(s), e.g., Syria and Iran. The purpose, clearly, going from gov/news accounts, is to "point a finger at Norway's right wing" (= nationalists, patriots).
That plays to anti-2nd Amendment, anti-Christian agenda in USA.
"Both my grandfathers were Masons. They also were members of Protestant churches, one Methodist and one Presbyterian."
Correct. No conflict between Masonry and Christianity. I am not a Mason. My maternal grandparents were. Masonry in this event is a red herring, perhaps deliberate.
OTH, in Europe, where Masonry began, it may still be more important than in USA, where it is atrophied but existing. I do not know. Remember Masonry tied to the Vatican Bank scandal that John Paul I probably was trying to clean out. Masonry was very important to opening up the West in the USA, providing wonderful help to families living on weak supply lines in dangerous conditions. AS is known, Masonry is a major element of the USA founding and Constitution.
In the US, Masons and Shriners are bedrock Americana--there is no finer group of generous, public spirited people around. However, in Europe, Masons have been implicated in terrorist conspiracies in several countries. Italy is the one I know about the most. The Roman Catholic church considers it a sin to be a Mason. That's why they have the Knights of Columbus, as a competitive group.
Private citizens manned boats to rescue boatloads of children from the island.
They surely saved some lives.
They went after those kids knowing they might themselves, be shot/killed.
Sounds like the people still have plenty of guts.
Can we please stop pretending that a crazy person can plan and execute mass murder on this scale?
He wasn't crazy. He was evil. Being willing and able to murder doesn't make someone crazy. It just makes them a murderer.
Perfectly sane people can kill. Intelligent and ruthless people can kill even more. That's not a compliment, it's a depressing truth.
@ken in sc: Thanks.
@John Lynch: no evil person can do that much evil alone. This was a Task Force initiated, funded and tasked by a nation state, complete with target knowledge (pre-intel) and to exploit vulnerabilities of Norwegian first responders. This is not just an evil person, it is an evil national power exploiting, cunningly, a decrepit, out-classed national security infrastructure.
I guess they think he's a Christian fundamentalist because of the World of Warcraft thing. All my Fundamentalist friends play the game.
Is it weird that there hasn't been a mug shot released yet? Do they not usually issue these in Norway? It's like someone wants us to be constantly reminded of the image that the shooter projected on facebook. I want to see him shackled.
Ann- I was disappointed in your comments about getting off an elevator when the man got on. Why is it OK to fear a man just because he gets on an elevator with a woman? Or is misandry acceptable?
They pronounced Breivik something like "Braivick".
What a Bunch of Bullshit.
First Machiavelli's bad reputation was built by Absolutists,
the very Princes that this comedy writer was mocking.
Machiavelli was a true Republican, the first to say that the only free populace
was the heavily armed populace, like the Swiss of his time, the Scots and the Italian city people.
Second, the Norwegian socialists i.e. most of them, are Islam's accomplices,
rabidly anti-semite and anti-American.
This kind of massacre happen EVERY WEEK in the muslim umma,
check www.thereligionofpeace.com
Socialists of the Norwegian kind have all kind of excuses
for the muslim atrocities.
High time they get a taste of their own medicine...it was soon to be delivered
by their good buddies the muslims anyway.
Tolerance of different people, or multiculturalism...nothing wrong with that,
but actively supporting the spread of a culture of rape,
torture, robbery, slavery and murder make you an accomplice.
Norwegians got nothing that they did not richly deserve.
I can guarantee you there is more of that coming,
a lot are fed up with these "new age" hippie degenerate perverts.
I take it a lot of you commenters have not read the manifesto put out by the perp. The WSJ had a good story on it.
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