... he doesn't even have a little sympathy for Kathy Sierra!
(Sierra, the blogger who received death threats, has been used lately as leverage in arguments for trying -- somehow -- to tame the wild blogosphere. Me, I detest the "Blogger Code of Ethics," but I put what happened to Kathy Sierra in a separate category from the usual verbal nastiness on the web.)
What's the best take on this? 1. Liberal men never were feminists. They just pretend like they are until their own interests conflict. Thanks for serving up the evidence for something I've been saying all along. 2. Those whining, repressive victimologists. How cool to see Kos kick their ass.
April 12, 2007
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3. Screw her.
link goes to Imus firing?
this post maybe?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/12/22533/9224
That he posted something without bothering to gather all the facts? And he should be criticized for that, yes, but your conclusions are way off the mark.
Ahhh...but Ann, you know the rules. If you are a Liberal, you can be a racist (Sen. Byrd), a sexual harraser (President Bill Clinton) or a murderer (Sen. Ted Kennedy). Time and again, the rules do not apply to Democrats or Liberals.
Sorry about the bad link. You're right about what I meant.
Jsf: Interesting theory, but how do you square it with the case that is glaring in the news today, the firing of Imus?
Ann, I thought you encouraged the Sierra death-threats with your relentless breast-blogging.
You have shown little sympathy for the Rutgers basketball team. What does that say about your commitment to feminism?
fed ferdarsen - did taht bunghoale imas thretan to kil em now? damn. hes off my crismasn card list for sure.
Freder:
The true feminist position vis a vis Imus would have been:
"Who the hell cares what that broken down old man said?"
A true feminist would have been strong enough not to even notice the comment much less care.
The only person who has handled this case right is Gwen Ifill.
sadly, the Rutgers team has decided to buy into, and indulge in, the whole cult of victimization circus.
And as for Sharpton and Jackson, and all the race hustlers like them, Imus should have responded with a succinct "kiss my ass."
What an inaccurate oversimplification! As if there is a one "liberal men's" point of view towards feminists or anyone else. For instance, I was against firing Imus as I explained on an earlier thread. I also know a whole lot of other "male liberals" with different points of view toward feminism, freedom of speech, and many other issues.
To paint all "liberal men" with one big brish of them never being feminists is simply untrue.
The link doesn't work, Professor Althouse.
Actually, Imus found out that liberals can't say anything that they want to. Or at least while male liberals wearing cowboy hats can't. Black "ministers" of course can - or at least until they insult either lesbians or Moslems.
althouse: "Jsf: Interesting theory, but how do you square it with the case that is glaring in the news today, the firing of Imus?"
The vast majority of liberals who do not listen to Imus and who are paying attention to this skirmish think he's conservative - because of his cowboy hat.
Therefore, it's ok to fire him...
Sorry I screwed up the link when I was fixing it. It really works now.
OFF TOPIC: Ann, Tammy Bruce has got racy photos of women in panties up on her site.
(Wow, that got everyone's attention, at this late hour!)
I'm serious, go here:
http://tammybruce.com/2007/04/is_my_dancing_woman.php#comments
I posted a comment telling her to take it down---don't know if she printed what I wrote. But, I think it's horrible, and completely undercuts her reputation as a political blogger.
I expect Althouse to have something to say about this travesty, given the Jessica Valenti thing.
Peace, Maxine
As someone who has received a small number of death threats (fewer than 5), allow me to just ask, who the hell calls ahead? If one has decided that murder is apparently the correct response to whatever perceived injustice, wouldn't one just do that? As far as I can tell, death threats are th 21st century equivalent of the flaming sack of dog poo, and shouldn't be taken seriously. Death threats...Bah, who hasn't gotten death threats?
Cheers,
RK Jones
I've only had one death threat since I started blogging, but it doesn't count since I sent it to myself... hey, I was feeling left out!
PS, Max, that was a weird and totally non-nonsensical sidebar, given that T Bruce is a reformed feminist.
It should also be noted that the comments on Kos' site included at least one reference to the hoary myth of the "rule of thumb." It's disappointing to see this urban legend still being draged out for public display.
Cheers.
RK Jones
Sometimes, when my posts have errors it is due to my rush to respond to something I have read that has upset me.
I am a relative rookie to this blog and the blogosphere more generally, and am trying to decipher this post. Therefore, I am open to some guidance here.
How do the relationships between Kos's post, the blogger code of conduct,and liberal men support Prof. Althouse's unfavorable view of feminists?
Unless she is privy to more information than she shared, to me, the rationale embodied in this post is far more illuminating of Prof. Althouse's state of mind, then it is of the 'sad' state of feminism.
This is not to say that Prof. Althouse is incorrect in the following characterization (i.e. 1. Liberal men never were feminists. The just pretend like they are until their own interests conflict. Thanks for serving up the evidence for something I've been saying all along. 2. Those whining, repressive victimologists.). I wouldn't know, because I do not know much about feminism, have not discussed feminism with liberal men, and have not been exposed to many feminists.
I just don't understand how Kos's post provides solid evidence for Prof. Althouse's conclusions.
Is it possible that the Professor holds these beliefs quite strongly and scans her world for evidence she deems supportive?
so, because kos says some random blogger needs to grow a thicker set of skin, this means all liberal men don't support feminism? ann, this doesn't even mean that kos doesn't support feminism, it has nothing to do with feminism.
you're a ridiculous person.
People try to kill me everyday with roadside bombs and sniper fire. Not sure it has anything to do with my blogging though.
I can guarantee you though that none of them are feminists.
"1. Liberal men never were feminists."
Sensitive New-Age Guy, anyone?
PS- why is Blogger now in German?
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I have just been back from reading a few feminist websites, and they are stating that Kos and many in his community are not feminists, that DailyKos resembles a boys locker room. Here is a comment from one of them:
Another misogynist Liberal Dude (TM).
It really bothers me that sites like Daily Kos are supposedly the epicenters of the progressive blogosphere, when the truth is that they hate women just as much as Bill Donahue or anyone else.
That's why I read feminist blogs, almost exclusively.
Posted by: Jenny Dreadful
Don Imus: Once a liberal supporter of John Kerry who called for Cheney's impeachment, now another evil neocon death beast.
It would be nice if some of you commenters realized that each and every one of you is just one unguarded remark away from being excommunicated from the Church of Holy Liberalism, but sadly one of the hallmarks of the post-modern liberal is the unshakable faith that what happened to all your ex-liberal friends can possibly happen to you, because you are Special and they were always secretly traitors with gun racks and BBQ grills hidden in their closets, anyhow.
hmmmm ann said:
"1. Liberal men never were feminists. The just pretend like they are until their own interests conflict."
i might have misread. did you say that? it must have been a misprint. massive typo. someone got her password and said something like this hoping to make ann look like a fool.
I share your outrage ann...I mean what Nappy headed Ho would say such a thing.
It would be hard for a man to be a real feminist in this day and age, if he wasn’t a civil rights lawyer or something similar. As a woman, I don’t see many big feminist battles looming on the horizon. Certainly I have dealt with male “attitudes” and “old-boy networks” at times, but I feel that I have been treated very fairly in the workplace since the 80’s. I am grateful for the efforts of the real feminists that went before me. It would be nice if women were not valued for their physical attributes, but the tenets of Darwinism (now endorsed by all self-respecting leftists) help to explain why men still enjoy looking at young, beautiful women with large breasts and small waists.
Death threats, whatever. I can understand why Kathy Sierra was creeped out by the photoshops of her picture, but any moron with a computer can post death threats. I hope that I would never let such a low-life have any real influence over me or my opinions and behavior.
For those wondering about point 1, all I can say is, "where were all those liberal male feminists when Michelle Malkin was the subject?"
A real feminist would stand up regardless of who the victim was.
Those who did not stand up against the obloquy and threats against Malkin are thus not true feminists.
QED.
For those wondering about point 1, all I can say is, "where were all those liberal male feminists when Michelle Malkin was the subject?"
Why use the past tense? Lefties are still referring to her with terms like "prostitute".
Most feminists have stood up against the comments against Malkin (and similarly Coulter). Two examples.
They can't possibly speak up every time a woman gets a nasty email; they would never write about anything else.
They can (and do) speak up when "A-List" people are anti-feminist.
Just to be clear, I want to say that by "nasty email" I did not mean the kind of comments that Kathy Sierra was getting.
I only meant the racist/sexist emails (which are several shades less bad, although still bad) and I was saying that people do (and should) speak out against them.
Have you bothered to find out what the other "liberal men" in the blogosphere think about Kos' comment? Probably not. What a lazy asinine blogpost, even more so than usual.
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