I get that it's an "anti-gun violence" thing, but why orange? And why an orange American flag? Why change the color of the flag, and why change it to orange? I mean, Trump is said to be orange, so... I don't get it. You can't mean to be saying Trump's America, so what's up?
I click through to People and get only: "Orange is the color of solidarity in the fight against gun violence in America." So, that's just restating the question.
I googled around a lot until I figured out that "The Wear Orange campaign began in 2015" — before Trump became President. Orange was the color that some people chose on one occasion to honor one shooting victim. Their reason? Maybe there was no reason at all. I'm still not seeing any.
Elsewhere, I see (from a year ago), advice on how Trump could become less orange (because orange seems to be a skin color that you can criticize people for having and give them unsolicited advice about changing):
Twice a day on Saturday and on Sunday, he should take Arm & Hammer Baking Soda and fresh lemon juice—both lightening agents—and mix in a bowl ‘til it resembles baby food. Using his little hands, he should apply this cleansing salve all over his face and let it set for 10 minutes. Rinse and repeat, morning and night. If he follows my instructions, it will lift the orange to reveal his actual skin tone.Yes, that's skin lightening advice (in Vanity Fair). How can that be okay? Trump brings chaos.
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1 – 200 of 290 Newer› Newest»Orange is so people don't mistake you for a deer and accidentally shoot the deer rather than the pin-wearer.
Orange is the color of a prison jumpsuit. Gun owners should be in prison. I don’t know.
Hunters wear Orange.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_orange
Orange is 2nd in ROYGBIV. A reference to the 2nd Amendment.
Wear an infrared flag to celebrate the origin of the universe.
Maybe based on the punch line to a knock, knock joke?
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Banana Clip...
Hey Hollywood, if you really gave a shit about gun violence, you wouldn't have so much of it in your films.
Maybe orange is the color of Weinstein's casting couch.
What color flag will they be wearing to celebrate the Hollywood rapists and misogynists?
Hollywood with its pretentious moral vanity is so tiresome.
A thin-blue-line anti-gun flag would wear well.
What I like about the inverse flag cap is that you can pick a color for any event you want.
It started with this group https://store.everytown.org/collections/wear-orange
Why they picked orange? Probably because it's visible.
Yes, that's skin lightening advice (in Vanity Fair). How can that be okay?
Orange is the new black.
Red & Yellow equals Orange, right?
So Red is for the AIDS ribbons these guys used to wear as a fad and Yellow, is obviously, the state of Harvey Weinstein's underpants.
Ergo, Orange
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Just when I think Hollywood [or Vanity Fair] can't get any more puerile, they prove me wrong.
What color flag is for Whore School?
That's not really hunter orange.
More of an orange creme.
Orange rhymes with the only smart thing Leftists ever said.
Creamsicle
Jennifer Lawrence is a summa cum graduate of Whore School. She will be wearing the school colors on the Red Carpet, befitting an occupant of the endowed Weinstein Chair (decorated with ficus leaves).
Althouse needs to visit her Spam folder.
How come Red Swallow is not up for an Oscar?
Jennifer Lawrence gets shafted again. Not fair.
Toy guns have an orange muzzle so people can tell they are fake.
The orange at the Oscars is so we can identify the fakes in the room.
Should be a colorful gathering...
Perhaps it is to show solidarity with the Protestants in Northern Ireland? A little late to the game but still . . .
Next to olive green and chartreuse, orange is probably the least flattering color to wear.
Didn't Weinstein think he had a get out of sexual assault trouble card by committing to attack the NRA? Yes. Yes he did.
Same game, different players. We'll ignore our sexual assault practices by virtue signaling on an unrelated issue.
Next to olive green and chartreuse, orange is probably the least flattering color to wear.
Come to think of it, 'mustard' is the worst. Yechh!
It also begs the question of what is the color of Second Amendment advocates? I'm partial to gun-metal gray.
It's a tribute to Anita Bryant.
@Bay Area Guy, you are almost right. Red is for their belief that Marxism is the one right political way forward (like they’d get to keep their high salaries and expensive homes under Marxism?) and the yellow is to honor the apparent courage of the four deputy sheriffs from Coward County who stayed outside the school while young Mr. Cruz was murdering kids.
The Dutch (Europe's most patriotic people) wear orange on special occasions in honor of the House of Orange.
Bay Area Guy said...
“How come Red Swallow is not up for an Oscar?
Jennifer Lawrence gets shafted again. Not fair.“
I see what you did there.
Orange symbolizes the depth of thought the gun grabbers put into trying to hide the fact all of their efforts are meant to disarm their political opponents instead of actually stopping gun violence which is mostly caused by their voters.
Orange.
As if we needed a badge to see their "gun violence" hypocrisy.
If it's orange...it's not the American flag. Right?
Orange should be pro gun...many hunters wear orange.
I would like to see Hollywood incorporate Green into a ribbon or flag - not to represent money made studio heads and various stars, but rather the community of potted plants, long silenced and victimized by Harvey Weinstein.
I believe there was some UN sponsored anti violence program that used orange...anti violence against women I believe.....
http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/in-focus/end-violence-against-women
Orange is a bright color that attracts your attention away from the rapists and rapist enablers in the room.......I don't plan on watching the Oscars, but the highlights will be unavoidable. I'm betting that some there will announce their opposition to gun violence and to Trump and their support for the many brave women who have spoken up about sexual harassment. These are people who make their living committing faux murders and wearing skimpy clothes. Is it even possible for them to say anything that isn't hypocritical when they talk about sex and violence?
Irish Protestants are often called Orangemen by the Catholics.
At least that's what I hear from Tommy Makem and the Clancy Bros.
Maybe they've all got endorsement deals with Ecotrin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTQu86CNqhA
I think everyone at the Oscars should ban together and vow never to make another movie that features gun violence.
-They are appalled at gun violence but make movies glorifying gun violence
-They are against women being sexually exploited, but make women characters be raped
-They are agains women being sexually exploited, but regularly require female actors to be naked and simulate sex for the benefit of the audience, who are strangers
- They are against global warming but fly around from location to location to film, to have premieres, to interview, and to vacation
Good deal. Emoting about anything at the Oscars tends to be the kiss of death to any serious consideration of it. Sure, we’ll see lots of orange pins and the NFL wearing orange socks at a game next fall, but actually doing anything about it? Apparently, that ship sailed rather quickly.
"Orange is the new black!"
A sizzling portrayal of gritty life in a women's prison, where corrupt, sadistic male guards oppress and ridicule the wrongly convicted female inmates, who tend to be thin, with nice boobs, and not ordinary street hoes.
Clearly, they are secret Scots-Irish who plan to celebrate Donald of Orange's Glorious Revolution...maybe.
Irish Protestants are often called Orangemen by the Catholics.
They're called much worse things than that. At least that's what I heard from my Scots-Irish grandfather.
If Althouse hadn't been corrupted by Who-knows-what she would have awarely known chaos, in actuality, never previously pre-Trump existed. Sure it was a concept before, hence the word (or symbol) being created.
But now it is different, now, instead of it being a mere thought-excercise, chaos is real. Literally. Hence Trump has redefined what once had a pre-Trump definition.
It should be fun watching Hollywood propagandize and scold us for their sins, for those who choose to watch, of course. I may just watch a movie instead, one that probably won't get nominated for a prestigious award like an Oscar. I much prefer entertainment, with lots of gunfire, explosions, and sexual harassment, than a depressing convention of entertainers trying to teach me a lesson.
"for those who choose to watch, of course"
We are going to see the new "Death Wish" movie.
Death Wish is a good choice! Make sure you're strapped, just in case!
"Yes, that's skin lightening advice (in Vanity Fair). How can that be okay? Trump brings chaos."
Maybe they got the skin-lightening regimen from Sammy Sosa.
From a Newsweek article:
"Apparently, Sosa has kept up his use of the cream over the years, which has led him to appear even whiter than he did in 2009...
Not very many celebrities have been so open about their skin bleaching habits as Sosa, which is most likely because the controversial beauty trend is viewed as a form of racial self-loathing and has been considered to promote subliminal messages of white skin being the most beautiful skin.
However, plenty of them have been accused of using creams to lightening their complexion, including the aforementioned king of pop Jackson and his sister La Toya Jackson.
Back in December 2016, rapper Lil Kim fought off rumors of skin bleaching after a photo of her appearing lighter than usual surface online. The year before, Beyonce and Rihanna were targeted with skin whitening accusations, as well as Jennifer Lopez and Eva Longoria, after they all donned seemingly lighter skin in photos and during red carpet appearances...
In West and South Africa, where a 2016 New York Times report said some 70 percent of women used lightening cream, the world of skin lightening is a multi-billion dollar industry. Following years of billboard ads tagged with ways for women to achieve "perfect white" skin, Ghana's government banned lightening creams and lotions. However, the country has struggled to remove the products from shelves...
In Asia, the skin whitening industry is worth over $13 billion, according to a BBC report. Historically, milky white skin in many Asian countries has been a symbol of nobility, wealth and an aristocratic lifestyle."
This brings to mind the earlier post on Drag.
So bleaching your skin is "a form of racial self-loathing" but a man dressing as a woman is celebratory? Would it not be gender self-loathing?
Are men in drag then misandrous?
The Germans have a word for this.
"chartreuse"
Could you imagine being able to add onto "chart" "reuse" in order to make a killer scrabble score?
I just did.
Hollywood is taking a stance against Irish Catholics?
OMG you could put "chart" in front of "reuse" too.
Mind blown.
Red, white and blue are out. Pink is not available. Black is taken and too risky. Yellow (tie a yellow ribbon) isn’t available. Green is out. Maybe, orange is the only color left.
I associate the color orange with the Dutch. Through various means and with varying success,the Dutch resisted the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands in WW2. Just as the Norwegians had their Vidkun Quisling, the Dutch had their Anton Mussert. By extension therefore, today's gun control crowd is reclaiming the purity of the color orange, as a symbol of their resistance to Trump who, like Mussert coopted the color for his own evil purposes. :0)
Talking about the days of chaos brought in by Trump, we need to ask Buwaya about the chaos MacArthur brought in to Manila in March, 1945. An already defeated occupying enemy going insane and destroying everybody possible rather than surrender is not the liberator's fault.
With a nod to Curious George above, when will there be a pledge by Hollywood producers, writers and actors ("It's time...I'm taking the pledge...take the pledge...we all need to pledge...") to promise never to make another film that involves the use of guns?
I think that people who are against guns should wear shirts saying "I'm unarmed", put signs in their front yards or on their apartment doors saying "gun-free zone", and put signs on their cars saying "No Guns Aboard".
Harvey Weinstein loved Doritos.
An orange pin just denotes that he fingered them.
Not a very exclusive club.
They knew.
We were going to go see Death Wish on Friday, but were too tired. Then stayed in last night. Sunday night during the Oscars will be a perfect time to go! Great idea. We're doing it.
The left is already starting to worry about the November election.
For Mr. Trump’s opposition, this premise — to say nothing of the question of whether his campaign conspired with Russia or merely benefited from its manipulations — has thickened the faint stink of illegitimacy that would hover over any president who lost the popular vote, supercharging policy disagreements into nearly existential threats to democracy. The regular cycles of consternation spun up by Mr. Trump’s unconventional approach to the job of being president help keep that wound raw.
Bush also lost the popular vote but the world began yesterday for these people.
It's orange because Republican NRA employees have imprisoned regular Americans in a society with easy access to military-grade weapons of violence being used to threaten them as they go about their business sending their kids to school and engaging in other ordinarily safe activities. And also because Trump is orange.
The Republican orange jumpsuit society. Where everyone's pointing a gun at everyone else. It seems to be the way they prefer to have things, unfortunately. Barbaric beasts.
Orange you glad I didn't say banana?
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Orange is 2nd in ROYGBIV. A reference to the 2nd Amendment.
I learned that Orange is 4th in BBROYGBVGW (Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly)A reference to the 4th Amendment about search and seizure.
I learned the Bad Boys in 8th grade shop in the 50s. It refers to the color code bands on resistors but I've long forgotten how to use it.
Do they still teach it? Or is is considered triggering and verboten. Sure is effective, though.
As is Rub Your Balls With Graphite. (Red, Yellow, Blue, White, Green)Which I learned in boot camp in the 60's. Since "Balls" refers to the navigator's balls, nothing offensive there. Unless you have a dirty mind.
John Henry
military-grade weapons of violence -- drink!
You know, I had come to the point where the symbolic protesting and marching stuff was tiresome, but now it's moved on to insufferable. The worst part for me is that they don't seem to understand that wearing orange (or black or a pink hat or whatever) isn't really taking meaningful action, it's just preening and signaling.
-sw
Ryan Seacrest is on the red carpet after being accused of sexual harassment. Nobody believes it.
It was a woman.
Ludicrous.
Good PR move.
It's not a fight against gun violence. There are many practical things we could be doing about that that the hoplophobes are ignoring. It's a fight against gun ownership.
Orange symbolizes the depth of thought the gun grabbers put into trying to hide the fact all of their efforts are meant to disarm their political opponents...
Your persistent fear of being "disarmed" - (in churches? Courtrooms? Prisons? Malls?) - speaks directly to how much you fixate on violence. It's a dead psychological giveaway. Most of us don't think about your guns all that much, other than for how much you love them - to an abnormal extent that surpasses any love you could possibly have for the lives of the American people and children menaced every day by them - and how easily available you want to make them to every man, woman and child. A gun in every hand pointed at every other American - this is really the Republican credo and vision for this country. It's pretty sick. We understand that you're not capable of better, though. It's all about the money. Good thing large corporations saner and more ethical than you have enough clout to do battle with the despicable NRA and put an end to stocking the products of your and their addiction.
Perhaps orange blends better with some skin tones than with others and Hollywood had decided to give those marginalized tones a chance.
On further reflection, the orange color is probably being worn in support for the Prison Clothes that Hillary will be wearing soon.
military-grade weapons of violence -- drink!
You'd have to be drunk to want those things aimed at and menacing your kids. This is really how cavalier your attitude is. I sure can't see how that crowd in Vegas was much safer than a crowd of hostiles in Afghanistan - but the fact that you see a difference shows just how much like Afghanistan or any war zone you want America to be. A peaceful, more trusting, less paranoid, less violent society is of no use to Republicans. All that they stand for is in direct opposition to all that.
Really sick people with violence fetishes and a love of mass murder. As I said, it's the only thing that gives them a sense of purpose.
Nobody's said it for a while, so I will:
"An armed society is a polite society" - Lazarus Long
John Henry
It's gonna be the color of very low ratings.
Ritmo, I encourage you to spend as much time as possible in gun-free zones, and by all means put a "gun-free zone" sign in your front yard.
Multiple strawmen -- drink!
@John Henry, but I'll second that. The sheer quantity of "pardon me" and "excuse me" and other expressions of politeness at a gun show cannot be topped anywhere at anytime.
Lets say you had your money in bank A. Bank A gets robbed becuase there was no armed guard - just one of those robbery monitors. Your money is lost. On hearing the news, Bank B down the street hires armed guards and puts up a sign saying so. Bank A decides to put up a "gun-free zone" sign and to keep their guards unarmed.
The anti-gun has crowd put those children in Bank A and wants to keep it that way even though they know full well that the armed murderers on the outside will still be armed and capable of killing again. Still, they cover their ears and say "lalalalala".
Which bank do you put the rest of your your money in?
Why is money more worthy of protection than children?
At least the government provides FDIC insurance for your money.
Silly people. That's not orange, it's Coquelicot.
You could look it up.
" The sheer quantity of "pardon me" and "excuse me" and other expressions of politeness at a gun show cannot be topped anywhere at anytime."
I have noticed that too among people at places where guns are welcome. Gun stores for example have just about the most polite service of any establishment. Extremely friendly, helpful, and respectful to a point that almost jarring. I don't think it's really becuase the guns are there, but that the type of people who respect principles of self-defense and being responsible for each other in that real hands-on way are just very different.
My only connection to that entire substrate of Liberalism is the very rare movie, a very few television shows, and Ms. Althouse.
I don't care about their stances on...anything. I don't give them head space. They can be drastically and horrifyingly upset about guns or Trump or whatever. But in my mind, they are like the Birchers or the anti vaccination people: someone to look askance at and avoid at parties.
Orange you glad we have a Second Amendment?
Was 2015 the VA Tech shooting?
No. That was way long ago.
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Could be they're hinting at Hillary to Don orange already and turn herself in. We could focus on 2020 without the distraction.
My brother once cited a report that a "barking dog", (read dog that barks), in the neighborhood protects three homes on either side of it's own. I'd guess "Gun Free Zones" not so much.
The perverts and child molesters of Hollywood don't like the NRA.
Sads.
Maybe Wienstein and Polanski can give a little speech about "Gun" control.
My dog must be protecting at least 6 houses in either direction, given how loudly she barks/howls whenever a stranger comes into view.
From Wiki: "Although the title of the [R.E.M.] album is Green, the cover artwork to the LP is orange in color... The reason for this is that, staring at the orange image for several seconds and then closing one's eyes causes a green negative image to appear. When viewed in this manner, the cover art appears to depict green grass."
Still doesn't answer why you'd want a green negative image flag.
Before the sturdy and courageous #metoo movement gained traction, in 2003 Hollywood was more focused on the #letscelebrateRomanPolanski movement.
Hey, 15 years is an eternity.
Jennifer Lawrence gets shafted again. Not fair.
You misspelled "schlonged."
Orange is the color of the Oscar's ratings "check engine" light. I know no one that intends to watch the program. The Hollywood okiophobia has just turned off normal Americans, even film buffs I know.
Ritmo, I encourage you to spend as much time as possible in gun-free zones, and by all means put a "gun-free zone" sign in your front yard.
I challenge you to come up with a response that doesn't wish the violence you harbor so intimately onto me as this one does.
I bet you can't. Like I said, it's an addiction for you sick freaky fucks.
It's good that less of your genes will be perpetuated in society. For humanity to have any hope!
I think we're a less suicidal species than people like you would have everyone believe.
Anyone eager to strip citizens of their right to protect themselves and their families (and often, the general public) from the violent and criminal among us is a vile human being.
If Hollywood was serious about banning guns it could start by doing something under its complete control. Perhaps be disarming all the private armed guards its stars hire. Right now all they are saying is that "you should be able to own a gun only as long as you are rich enough to hire someone to carry it for you."
" The sheer quantity of "pardon me" and "excuse me" and other expressions of politeness at a gun show cannot be topped anywhere at anytime."
What a relief it is to know that folks that addicted to mass murder devices understand the importance of avoiding miscommunication, and miscommunication of intentions - at least in theory.
But honestly, a little miscommunication between those psychos would do the rest of the country, the vast majority, a lot of good. What's the point in owning all those fun toys if they don't get to use them, on each other?
No fun in using them on the vast, unarmed, civilized portion of America, either. A more evenly matched shoot-out between various gun-loving factions would be just the kind of vacation getaway that everyone needs. Think of it as Westworld, realized.
Anyone eager to strip citizens of their right to protect themselves and their families (and often, the general public) from the violent and criminal among us is a vile human being.
Which is what makes you such a vile person. You want every American to be caught up in a never-ending arms race that none of them have the time nor the inclination nor, frankly, the lack of a life to indulge. They have other things to do than to constantly worry about how outgunned or more lightly armed they are than the next random psychopath whose access to endless supplies of some of the most high-powered weaponry available proceeded unimpeded thanks to you enablers.
Republicans really do believe that if you don't have a gun then you don't deserve to live.
America's love of guns is a fetish-addiction and Republicans and the NRA that owns them are the enablers. Here, have a drink, everyone! (Including all the random psychos who will inevitably get their hands on them more easily under a regime this permissive).
In other words, let the criminals rob, hurt and kill with impunity, because to do otherwise is crazy? Is that about right? It's no wonder the Left continually imposes gun bans/restrictions, knowing full well that violent crime will increase as a result. Gun-bans are the root of so much evil, and so much suffering, yet the Left can't get enough of them. Sick, twisted fucks, all of them.
Was 2015 the VA Tech shooting?
No, that was 2007.
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Toothless in semi-automatic shit flinging mode.
In other words, let the criminals rob, hurt and kill with impunity, because to do otherwise is crazy?
In your words, maybe. But that's nothing that I said. All I said is I don't want the NRA and its gun fetishists running society any more than I want criminals to do so. Both of them don't give a damn about the lives they lose in their crossfire.
Sick, twisted fucks, all of them.
ALL of YOU. I can generalize because I know that the value you place on human life is non-existent. I've not come across a gun-lover who actually regrets a single life lost due to a permissive access regime. Like I said, they look at every massacre as an expression of their freedom. Really disgusting, sub-humans and lowlifes.
If I had an addiction that killed others I would probably feel remorseful for that. But I understand. You gun-a-holics are still in the ecstasy stage, drunken with your rebellion against the tyranny that never happened here and the repulsion against its nukes and MOABs that you backwoods retards would never stand a chance against. The most sophisticated operation you twats can organize or handle is a deer-hunting party. We don't need you for our safety and kindly prefer you to fuck off. Your politics are bullshit predicated on Red Dawn fantasies. Just nonsense. Deadly nonsense.
Toothless in semi-automatic shit flinging mode.
Better than your permanently-"ON" mass-shooter enabling mode.
"It's orange because Republican NRA employees have imprisoned regular Americans in a society with easy access to military-grade weapons of violence being used to threaten them as they go about their business sending their kids to school and engaging in other ordinarily safe activities."
The AR-15 has never been fielded by any military anywhere at any time.
We do not have "easy access" to the M-16, which has. There is a very limited supply of those available, and the legal hoops and expense necessary to acquire one limit their ownership to wealthy collectors.
Now that we all have access to the internet, there really is no excuse for going on as ignorantly as you continually do.
These people couldn't be more tedious if they tried.
News today is that the administration has approved release of @100,000 M1 Garands to the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) for sale to the public. These are rifles returned by the Turkish and Philippine Armed Forces, having been on loan for all these decades. Some of those M1's I used to carry as a teenager may be among them.
I am nostalgic. Heavy beasts though.
The next lot may include 600,000 M1 carbines from South Korea.
Talk about Assault Rifles.
What a loon.
The AR-15 has never been fielded by any military anywhere at any time.
What civilian use do you see for that thing? How many civilian, legitimate "acts" has it been used in? How many mass shootings has it been very helpful against, these things that Tony Soprano was impressed with for being able to shoot off tree branches with them?
The only answer I can see is for security purposes, possibly - and only in highly specialized situations. Guarding vaults or the like. Extremely limited situations and that's because your permissive gun-nut enabling regime has allowed the criminals to arm themselves so very well. It's like how back in the days of Prohibition some cops may have(?) used submachine guns, but that's before laws ending the sale of Saturday Night Specials (upheld by fellow psychopath Scalia in his famous Heller ruling) were enacted.
But you've allowed these semi-automatics to proliferate so freely and copiously that it will be tough to walk that back. But the point remains about how useless they are to anything other than overpowering (if you can show a successful example, even) the similarly powerful weaponry that you've encouraged every American to buy - as if they don't have normal hobbies and lives to attend to that just might get in the way of something so childish and and frivolous as playing 24/7 cops and robbers.
Project much? Just because you don't understand how guns work, how to handle and operate them properly, etc., doesn't mean that gun owners share your ignorance.
I think any gun nut who thinks that civilians require and have a natural right to anything with the word "assault" in their description is a self-proclaimed menace to society.
I challenge you to come up with a response that doesn't wish the violence you harbor so intimately onto me as this one does. Ritmo
Someone wishes you to spend more time in a gun-free zone and you take that as someone wishing violence upon you.
You're too stupid to realize you just made their point.
Project much? Just because you don't understand how guns work, how to handle and operate them properly, etc., doesn't mean that gun owners share your ignorance.
They seem to be very ignorant of the number of holes they put into schoolchildren, or how incompatible that is with life. Or how unpopular their enabling of this addiction is. So yeah, you go and show your love of and very intimate familiarity with the gun. I'll show my greater interest in the people you want to see menaced by them. It's an unequal fight morally and intellectually, and one you can't win.
Which is why you prefer to "resolve" things with violence.
Someone wishes you to spend more time in a gun-free zone and you take that as someone wishing violence upon you.
You're too stupid to realize you just made their point.
I din't make his point, you stupid herd animal.
I knew the intention he had in making it.
Big difference. I can respond to the intentions in what you compulsive double-speakers are saying.
Oh, gee, the word "Assault" is your problem? Easy fix, stop using the term, it's made up anyway. I can assure you that any and every gun (or bat or knife or foot) can be used to assault someone. Not just the scary black rifles with the shoulder thing that goes up.
"Ritmo, I encourage you to spend as much time as possible in gun-free zones, and by all means put a "gun-free zone" sign in your front yard."
"I challenge you to come up with a response that doesn't wish the violence you harbor so intimately onto me as this one does."
So a gun-free zone is an act of violence? Well, you are finally getting it, dude. Now if it's hateful of me to wish you in one, why would you want children forced into them?
Things that make you say "hmmmmm?"!
Oh, right. So "assault rife/weapon" is just a simple matter of branding.
Well, that won't change. You're admitting that you've failed to find a civilian use for them, as I asked you to do.
You gun nuts are really bad at doing your homework, aren't you? Guess you didn't get to gun down enough teachers.
Let there be no mistake: The only self-defense these cunts are about is defending against the psychological harm they feel when not arming themselves. They psychologically assault themselves by feeding fantasies of being under attack by the government or every other American and just need high-powered firearms as an expensive anxiolytic and medicament against something that is unlikely to happen and that they are even less likely to use to stop in the process.
Guns are simply a medication for your disease, which is a paranoid fear of being surrounded by violence that you cannot overpower. But they are the wrong medication. Your disease is psychological, and part of an even greater social disease. You fear violence so frequently and so irrationally because you fantasize about violence and feel impotent in achieving anything important in life without it.
Now if it's hateful of me to wish you in one, why would you want children forced into them?
I have no doubt that you looked at your own failed formal education as something that made you feel that you were in prison.
The question is how much like a prison you want to make modern schools turn into.
"T****less in semi-automatic s**t flinging mode."
You mean full-auto, of course. Which kills the thread, as always.
Assault weapons/rifles will retain their name because nothing speaks so accurately to how its purchasers naturally feel just in general. By everyone and everybody. By life.
Which kills the thread, as always.
Any more inanimate things you care more about than those kids you've enabled to kill?
Threads... guns...
Preserve, protect and defend those things. The kids? Not so much.
Actually, I don't fear violence. I fear the kind of ignorance and hateful ideology that mandates all citizens must submit to the stronger party. The difference between an AR-15 and a common, wooden stock, .22 rifles is akin to the difference between a blue car and a red car of the same make and model. But you would not know that. Your ignorance is so profound that it seems to be the only basis for any of your arguments. Read a book, or better yet, shoot a gun, your phobias and fascist tendencies are getting people killed in Chicago as we speak.
It's like arguing with a fully-automatic bullshit generator.
17 people did not die of paranoia. It was just the opposite. They were killed by wishful thinking and a lack of serious concern for their safety. How else can you describe knowing the real dangers that not only could but did happen, and then doing the one thing that makes it more likely by removing any real protections from the premises and advertising the fact. It's negligence, and with a 2nd amendment and 300 million guns, not to mention the other means available, it's criminal to forcibly make those children helpless - entirely and brainlessly helpless.
I would love to get one of those Garands, even though it is a heavy beast.
I wonder what kind of shape they are in ?
I fear the kind of ignorance and hateful ideology that mandates all citizens must submit to the stronger party.
Like the NRA?
They seem pretty strong.
Overpoweringly strong. Overwhelmingly strong.
A bunch of kids not wanting to be menaced by the addictions of their permissive enabling? Not so much.
Talk about might making right. You're so delusional that you have the sand to appeal to that while proclaiming your superior love for steel and lead to anything human-like that could evoke a response in you.
We get it. Go love your gun. In a dark, deep, well-sealed basement somewhere. One that we can lock from the outside, too, asshole.
Stop menacing society.
17 people did not die of paranoia.
They died because of the laws richly paid for by your paranoid gun-fetish enablers.
The purpose of AR-15s, and any weapon really, is at its root a political one. That is to serve as, or materially facilitate, the ultimate sanction on a government that is so unwise as to irrevocably alienate a well-armed portion of the public.
Any personal reason - self protection, hunting - is incidental and trivial.
And the purpose of those weapons (and I think AR-15s and the like are much more symbolic than practical here), should things come to that, is the good old guerrilla control of the population, not some militia marching off in ranks to fight the loyalist military.
It is in order to make government impossible, for the government to lose their loyalists and partisans to intimidation, to be forced to retaliate and oppress the population through their reaction, to have to separate and guard their functionaries and loyalists, and overall create general chaos. It will be a very very dirty war, and potentially of enormous scope. The models are the IRA and the Irish troubles, the Viet Cong, Iraq.
Merging the 18th century and the 20th/21st, that is the political purpose of an armed public.
I find amusing that our beloved Ritmo decries the 2 amendment while abusing the 1st.
It makes sense, from the Lefty point of view, to continue to restrict guns. They know that the fewer guns available, the more misery inflicted on the innocent. And the more the innocent are brutalized, the more the Left can cajole them into accepting "help" from the Democrat Party. A nation without victims is a nation without Democrats.
"The question is how much like a prison you want to make modern schools turn into."
So you are fine with this school going right back to the same unsafe condition that allowed this to happen?
You are avoiding the simple question: Why do you think gun-free zones are so dangerous that I was hateful in suggesting them for you while you advocate them for children?
You really are not that smart, have't thought the issue through, and it shows.
Read a book, or better yet, shoot a gun, your phobias and fascist tendencies are getting people killed in Chicago as we speak.
You should try reading a book, too. Probably the one that will finally get it through your thick head that a gun in every hand is not something you can mandate upon society. As much as you try to push it on us. We're not going along. We have other things to do.
Go live this fantasy on a battlefield somewhere. Civilians have lives to lead and already pay for cops with their taxes. Stop allowing them to be out-armed. It's madness. I shouldn't have to be own cop. Neither should any teacher. You are a sick, twisted fuck who can't even take violence out of the job description for something as ill-disposed to violence as a proper educator. Maybe you should stop sleeping with the students. And stop sleeping with your cousins, too.
Why do you think gun-free zones are so dangerous that I was hateful in suggesting them for you while you advocate them for children?
You're going on about what you claim that I think? That's fucking rich. The whole point of my response is how transparent a double-speaker you are. I KNOW you think they're less safe. I know you think that schools aren't sufficiently like the prisons you naturally see them as. What else is it about your empty mind that I'm not supposed to know? It's so fucking uncluttered that I can see everything that's in there. Not much. A wide open vista of bullshit, subterfuge and connivance. Nothing left for those poor kids. You're too busy living your own greatly extended childhood, anyway.
The M1's we had (mostly) were converted to drill rifles without firing pins, and I think blocked gas ports, and maybe other things were done to them. The actions worked and they looked good (they had to, on parade).
But that was >40 years ago.
At the time working ones were still used by anti-guerrilla militia units, the Navy, and for training of regular soldiers and marines.
The CMP is supposed to have them sorted, graded, and overhauled.
There is a direct correlation between TTR invective and the culpability of leftists with their 'dont report or arrest criminal actions committed by mentally disturbed students' programs.
You can expect the vitriol to increase exponentially as the incompetence of the lefty dominated institutions and their lunatic policies come to light, as they have.
The good news is, once again, no one is being fooled by the lefts lies and their dreams of ridding us of the constitution and our rights.
It's a relief that TR/Ed Hominem has an irrational gun-phobia.
Nobody, anywhere, is advocating mandating gun ownership for "society". That fantasy exists only in your feeble, drug-addled mind. Any teacher not willing to provide even basic protection to children in their care, well, maybe teaching isn't for them.
It's a relief that TR/Ed Hominem has an irrational gun-phobia.
That's inaccurate. What you have is an irrational gun fetish/gun love.
Just like other tinpot dictator with a weapons stash has.
I find it gross.
US schools are already busy killing childrens minds.
You would do well to do away with the lot of them and start fresh.
Net negatives really. Kids will get more value from self-education, or in most places the self-organizational skills Americans are blessed with will provide in short order.
"They died because of the laws richly paid for by your paranoid gun-fetish enablers."
Who put those kids in a gun-free zone knowing full well that those are the places where mass shooters kill kids over and over. How can that foolishness not be called what it is: negligent homicide.
Really? Maybe I should buy a gun then.
Nobody, anywhere, is advocating mandating gun ownership for "society". That fantasy exists only in your feeble, drug-addled mind. Any teacher not willing to provide even basic protection to children in their care, well, maybe teaching isn't for them.
Talk about a feeble, gun fetish-addled mind. Go poll teachers. Ask them how many of them see their mission and purpose as being remotely related to the job descriptions of "security guard," "cop," or "NRA lobbyist." It kind of doesn't fit. It's like asking an airplane pilot to simultaneously be a terrorist. Or even an air marshal. THey're busy focusing on other things. But you quacks have gotten so stupid about even basic economics (and up to how many trillions in debt has Trump and his Republicans gotten us?) that you can't even grasp how specialization of labor works.
Yes, you are mandating a gun in every hand. You simply don't believe that anyone who doesn't carry around a firearm like its a fifth appendage doesn't deserve to live. We know this about you. It's part of your reptilian belief system. A nation of armed iguanas. Civilians as much on hair-trigger alert as the criminals. I guess now we know who runs things.
"Let's complain endlessly about the availability of weapons, and then send our children to the one building in town where we know that nobody can defend themselves against those weapons." Liberal idiocy.
Republicans want to fuel a civilian-criminal arms race.
It's what they believe in.
Makes them feel "free."
Free to have nothing to do in life but constantly look over your shoulder.
This is what life as a Republican must be like.
Sad.
"Let's complain endlessly about the availability of weapons - "
You mean, like the availability that you're pushing for?
We're not responsible for that. It's of your making.
Arming everybody helps keep the civilians on hair-trigger alert.
A paranoid, dangerous society is what you prefer.
Go to Afghanistan.
Actually, illogical rants like yours, the media and Dem Pols are doing just fine for pushing up gun sales.
the ultimate sanction on a government that is so unwise as to irrevocably alienate a well-armed portion of the public.
The government has shown, with its incompetence, that it cannot protect the public. We get lessons ion this every month,.
9/11 was a big one as the terrorists left clues in the wake that a blind man could follow. The Boston Bombers are another.
Ruby Ridge and Waco led to considerable paranoia by the public and Bill Clinton added to it with ignoring the African bombings of embassies. The Cole should have been the last straw but 9.11 was still coming.
Some of us would still like to know who the third man in the Oklahoma City bombing was.
Some of us are not satisfied with the explanations for TWA 800.
The "Gun Culture" got a big head start in the 1990s.
All those on stage are well protected by bodyguards right, just more virtue signaling
The Korean M1 carbine stockpile is a big deal.
Its a fully mobilized medium-sized army worth of small arms.
Thats a lot of near- AR-15/AK-47 class weapons, capable of taking large magazines, besides being even lighter and handier.
I think the Korean ones are mainly full-auto M2 versions, or modified to that, so they will have to be re-converted.
The US public is ridiculously well-armed already.
The whole question is really a matter of symbolism standing in for structures of power. There should be a way to make a constitutional trade, whereby the "left" permanently loses some great institution.
"It's like arguing with a fully-automatic bullshit generator"
Yep. I am no 2A absolutist, but Ritmo's yammering seems pretty counterproductive.
So what changed in 25 years, mostly the proliferation of murderous Impulses.
300 million guns in America - enough for almost every man, woman and child - and still the ownership rate is less than 33%.
Clearly we do not have enough gun ownership.. that's part of the problem say the Republicans.
So a gun for every one is not enough. Maybe a two or three gun per person ratio will resolve the problem.
It's the guns that matter to Republicans in America. Not the people. More of them than are willing to carry them.
People need to be made more compliant with the guns - I mean, with Republican gun priorities.
People need to listen to the guns. What are they telling us? They are gentle things, with souls.
Well, at least more souls than the Republicans could see in Florida.
Actually, illogical rants like yours, the media and Dem Pols are doing just fine for pushing up gun sales.
Which of course, is what you care about in the end. The manufacturers and their NRA.
Oh, I see, the very existence of guns is your problem. Easy fix for that one, too. Just go back in time and undo the innovation of metallurgy, the properties of the elements that make up gunpowder, and the tendency of humans to want to survive, and you're all set. Until then, face that you live in the real world, where your backward, ignorant gun laws fuel murder sprees that last for decades in so many Dem controlled enclaves. Your bloodlust is disgusting.
You will know when the anti-gun people are serious when they make an offer to trade for firearms restrictions.
Something for something.
So far they haven't.
"Republicans want to fuel a civilian-criminal arms race. "
The arms race is over. The civilians won. We have far more guns than the criminals, except in gun-free zones where the murderous criminal is given full armed superiority, on purpose, by law. Sounds like a colossally stupid idea doesn't it? And we see the results over and over.
Yeah Yeah! So..I better buy a gun AND join the NRA.
I could imagine a Republican actually having the guts (bear with me now) to attend to a first-response scenario in a school shooting.
What they would do is walk over bodies, to right to the shooter, and ask his gun, "Are you all right? Is the precious AR-15 all right?"
"What did the shooter do to you? There, there. It's all right. Let me gently caress you."
"I will now pick you up and ward off all the others. You are safe and sound now in my gentle, loving hands, Mr. AR-15. No one threatening to remove you from this scene... or society."
"I love you more than anything (or anyone) else here."
He will then make out with the gun and attempt to have sex with it.
The US public, much of it, has an outlet for anxiety, which mainly, in this area, comes from fear of government or of the general politico-cultural power elite.
They buy more guns.
The simplest answer to limit guns is to stop threatening, berating, or culturally erasing these people. Stop making enemies, and they will stop arming themselves against you.
Oh, I see, the very existence of guns is your problem. Easy fix for that one, too. Just go back in time and undo the innovation of metallurgy, the properties of the elements that make up gunpowder, and the tendency of humans to want to survive, and you're all set.
Or you could just be a Republican who lives so far back in time that he never heard about the existence of other societies and countries with low homicide and mass shooting rates or experienced the technology that would allow him to travel to them. Very stupid and primitive, your sort.
The sad thing is that the US politico-cultural elite speaks in precisely the same terms as Ritmo. And it has been in that mode for at least a half-century.
This is a depressing state of affairs, that your best and brightest are about as wise as Ritmo.
Some people (let's call them "normals") believe in keeping people safe from guns.
Others (let's call them "Republicans") believe in keeping guns safe from people.
It's the Dems stepping over those bodies and exploiting the tragedy.
The rivers of blood will continue to flow in Chicago, and the brainless Left will continue trying to export that misery nationwide.
The rivers of blood will continue to flow in Chicago, and the brainless Left will continue trying to export that misery nationwide.
Right. Chicago. Your concern for Chicago is palpable and legendary. As a political foil.
A challenge: Name a person you love more than your gun.
Bet you can't do it.
How about you, walter? Anyone you love more than your gun?
Other than Wayne LaPierre?
"Or you could just be a Republican who lives so far back in time that he never heard about the existence of other societies and countries with low homicide and mass shooting rates"
You mean like those in Europe - the ones who made the 20th century the most murderous in history, which was started off by first disarming the citizens then hunting down the ones considered enimies of the state. That wasn't ancient history. Witnesses, victims and some of the heroes who ended it are still living.
Well until Dallas, and if oswald wasnt a known wolf I don't who was, there want this impetus for control, yes us v. Miller but that had limited uaopplicability, it was the chaos of 1967 and 68, that forced more controls.
And its about as unproductive to discuss these subjects, even with (or especially with) academics, as it is with Ritmo. I am not exaggerating.
Even if one actually agrees with them.
There is a particularly intense tribalism in all this that kills any hope of sympathy in either direction, of curiosity, of creativity, nothing at all that one would expect from what should be intelligent people.
Toothless sez:
"I can generalize because I know that the value you place on human life is non-existent."
Hey, not true! I attended a Pro-Life rally, why, just last weekend.
Just kiddin', jeez, lighten up.
I think you may be stuck in a "Women are from Venus; Men are from Mars"-type vortex of miscommunication.
There are several commentators here who actually served in the military. So, Yes, they (we) learned how to use weapons.
There are several commentators here who live in rural towns who are avid hunters. Shit, I got relatives in Western Penn who LIVE to hunt. That's what they do! That's their life!
You should talk to them, maybe get to know them. At least, you may understand them a bit better. They're not bad folks! They're often union guys who vote Democrat. It's a big crazy world out there. All kinds of people.
Name a person you love more than your bong.
Not surprisingly, TR hasn't read that I have neither a gun nor NRA membership.
But..knowing such childish, unhinged mentality is out there masquerading in adult form..might reconsider.
Name someone you love so little you don't desire to be able to protect them from a man with a gun, a knife, a club, or a pair of hands bigger than yours. Someone you care so little for you don't want anybody around who could protect them.
Tim in Vermont: "Yep. I am no 2A absolutist, but Ritmo's yammering seems pretty counterproductive."
Not really. The point of TTR's over the top attacks is hide the obvious failures of leftist policies.
Its the equivalent of screaming "Trump/Russia Collusion!!!" to hide the lefties mass violation of our 4th amendment rights as well as the obama/clinton illegal spying on domestic political opponents and fully weaponizing the federal bureacracy against conservatives.
Just think of them all as Little Maduros in Training.
The interesting part is that these people who so intensely despise the gun-owning "other", put these troglodytes in charge of the sinews of modern technological society, of energy, water, food, transport, telecoms, etc., all the things that keep the academics alive.
Its about as big a strategic oversight as the population structure of Bosnia, where the outnumbered country-living Serbs instantly besieged the much more urban Muslims and Croats.
I work in these areas. The man with his hand by the switch usually - almost always - is well-armed indeed, for all the reasons I mention above.
So why does the academic so reliably do his utmost to make these very powerful people - powerful, at least, when terminally alienated - into enemies, by spewing hatred in a constant stream? It is politically idiotic. It is irrational.
I'm sorry, Children of Florida. We tried to get the Republicans to hear your cries.
But the crackle of gunfire sounded so much more beautiful to their ears. They fell in love instantly.
And you never stood a chance.
You don't know how many of your bodies they will walk over to get to their gun.
But we do.
Maybe one day you can transform yourself into a gun, and then a Republican will finally love and care about you.
Its mostly about the monopoly of force:
http://therightscoop.com/leader-of-terror-supporting-govt-endorses-liberal-plan-for-gun-control
Bay Area Guy: "There are several commentators here who live in rural towns who are avid hunters. S**t, I got relatives in Western Penn who LIVE to hunt. That's what they do! That's their life!"
Speaking of PA, one of the largest gun shows in the east will be in Harrisburg, Pa this month. I suspect it will be packed to the gills. I'll be there and will file a report.
I'm sorry, Children of Chicago.
Fuck you.
Die at the hands of whoever kicks in your door.
You mean like those in Europe - the ones who made the 20th century the most murderous in history, which was started off by first disarming the citizens then hunting down the ones considered enimies of the state.
Like the African Americans you enslaved? And now incarcerated? Gun rights for prisoners?
Yes I'm really sure it was low gun ownership rates for Jews, gypsies, communists and homosexuals that allowed German ethnic nationalism to become murderous. Obviously a well-armed militia of hated European minorities were the only thing standing between the fuehrer and the reich. So obvious.
Let's try it here and see if we can arm Mexicans and Muslims (to the point of more than one gun per person, obviously - maybe five in their case) and see how well that puts an end to Trump's policies and the ethno-nationalism that is the only real core behind most of them.
You are one dumb cookie, aren't you? But just offensive enough to think that Godwining the thread will animate your point.
You hate the kids, love the guns and use Hitler's victims to make points that don't make sense. But don't let that deter you. Somehow you must have the most awesome thing to say on the subject, I'm sure.
Die at the hands of whoever kicks in your door.
Like Jeff Sessions' DEA?
They're good at kicking in doors. Going after evil demon weed! It's dangerous even though the science says no! Hey, it's what caused the KKK to go bad!
What would Venn diagram of Ds, Rs, NRA members, gun owners look like?
How would you recommend a woman alone in her home, in bed, protect herself against a large man who breaks in? If she has a gun, she has a fighting chance. Without one, she will be raped and/or murdered. That's the real world of guns. I know you crave rape and murder, and the thought of preventing either turns your stomach, but try to come up with an answer anyway.
Name someone you love so little you don't desire to be able to protect them from a man with a gun, a knife, a club, or a pair of hands bigger than yours. Someone you care so little for you don't want anybody around who could protect them.
Since you like thinking about Hitler so much, perhaps you can provide me examples of Holocaust victims who survived by gunning down the SS.
Can't do it? Didn't think so.
Now go look up something called the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. What was the survival rate of those folks?
You don't care. You know a lot less about violence and people than your strong emotions and sense of activism tells you you do. You just live for the sense of martyrdom that imagining a desperately violent situation fills you with. It makes you feel heroic.
The cemeteries are filled with stupid self-imagined heroes. Hopefully at age 71 the idiotic asshole Trump who banters about rushing armed marauders single-handedly will not be with us pretending to leading the nation very long. Even though he's one of them, and trying to prevent the constitution from removing him peacefully, he won't succeed and will be shown the way out according to the more time-honored American tradition for being shown the exit.
TTR: "Going after evil demon weed! It's dangerous even though the science says no!"
Not dangerous at all. Nope. A perfectly harmless substance.
Https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects.htm
I know you crave rape and murder...
Well seeing as how you're the one elaborately and luridly going on about it, I'd say that's projection. But no worries - your statistics don't bear your own fantasy out. Guns in a house are orders of magnitude more likely to kill the owner or another resident than anyone who "intruded." And doesn't your Apocalypse Den have a decent hiding place or two, anyway? How un-Republican to protect only against the danger of the intruder. Don't you know that there's a survival pantry to stock? Canned goods to stock up on? Tinfoil hats to put on?
TTR: "Even though he's one of them, and trying to prevent the constitution from removing him peacefully, ..."
LOL
Let that one marinate for a moment...
Not dangerous at all. Nope. A perfectly harmless substance.
At the risk of pissing on the parade of the premiere member of the Republican Anti-Fact Squad (RAFS), I'd ask how many people this allegedly very harmful substance has killed and how that lethality/mortality rate stacks up against other legal and illicit substances. I'd also ask how it affects the prescription opioid overdose (and lethal overdose) rate in states where it is legal.
Stop being a fucking square. This is not the 1950s. They've been allowed to research this stuff, you know. (Just not in America. The land that bans the CDC from analyzing gun violence stats).
TTR: "Don't you know that there's a survival pantry to stock?"
Its always prudent to have at least 3 days of water and some easy to consume meals available in case of emergencies.
Statistics don't stop the guy from breaking in and raping/murdering. Guns do. So, tell me what an unarmed woman is to do when a man breaks into her home, besides die? Dying seems to be your only solution. Not very #METoo of you.
TTR: "The premiere member of the Republican Anti-Fact Squad (RAFS),.."
Ill need to see some evidence for this claim.
If true, I'm thinking epaulettes just might be in order.
Very ironic to hear a certain defender of the permissive gun state to defend the DEA on the basis of its efforts to prohibit a non-lethal substance. And at the links of the same CDC that was banned by a Congress bought off by the NRA from studying gun violence. You can't make this stuff up, folks.
TTR: "This is not the 1950s. They've been allowed to research this stuff, you know. (Just not in America. The land that bans the CDC from analyzing gun violence stats)."
Intersting comment...since my link was to that very CDC...
Its almost as if TTR's medications are not having the desired effect.
There is no doubt a limit to how many times one should "up the dosage".
Statistics don't stop the guy from breaking in and raping/murdering. Guns do.
According to which statistic?
I mean, if you're going to try this on the basis of proclaiming that numbers are bad things, then I don't see the conversation going anywhere. But a three-year old might.
Perhaps we should start at the beginning.
Tell us TTR, how would you describe your relationship with your father?
Ritmo, This was a very poor performance here today. Just pure crap. There are some arguments on your side, but you don't know them. Maybe your rose colored glasses are too thick.
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