I'll link to this presentation at Real Clear Politics: "Camille Paglia on Frat Parties and Consent: 'He Is Right to Think You Have Consented.'" That went up on October 1st.
Camille Paglia, essentially, has the last word on the Cornell 7.
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RCP has the clip I'm seeing at TikTok plus the full interview, and we can see that it is from a BBC interview in 2017. But Paglia has made this point since the early 90s.
It's a good idea to talk about the Cornell case in light of the strong challenge presented by Paglia, and she deserves to be cited by name. There's a lot of material from 35 years ago, from various authors, that could enrich the present-day discussion. For example: "Fraternity Gang Rape: Sex, Brotherhood, and Privilege on Campus."
This is a very old topic! Let's not act as though people are just noticing this problem.
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Rolling Stone Duke LaCrosse. Rolling Democrat.
In my world, the usual feminists are outraged at men because we are not condemning and prejudging all young men as sexual predators.
The internet informs me that "in most U.S. jurisdictions, a woman has the right to tell a man to stop at any time during sexual intercourse, and if he refuses, it can be considered rape or sexual assault."
“If you jump in the water, don’t be surprised when you get wet.”
Eric the Fruit Bat said...
"in most U.S. jurisdictions, a woman has the right to tell a man to stop at any time during sexual intercourse, and if he refuses, it can be considered rape or sexual assault."
Sort of nuclear-grade prick-teasing, isn't it. Useful as a great lawfare moneymaker. Certainly useful as a great lawfare vindictive hit job.
Paglia is a treasure. She's simply correct.
Something that is missing in today's leftist brain rot.
Mattress girl was over 10 years ago. I thought It was older than that.
"a woman has the right to tell a man to stop at any time during sexual intercourse"
A Pro-Choice religion, unlimited. Fortunately, most women are not juvenile delinquents, not weird sisters with a queer entitlement.
I remember a suggestion called "affirmative consent". ai says it started in the 90's and "is now the dominant legal and disciplinary framework governing sexual conduct on hundreds of college campuses across the United States."
They went thru with it.
"The concept of a deliberate, step-by-step verbal checklist—where a person must explicitly ask questions like "May I kiss you here?" or "May I touch you there?"—was pioneered at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio."
"The policy was widely ridiculed in columns, talk shows, and famously parodied on Saturday Night Live as an absurd, contract-like interrogation."
The "Cornell 7" story is about to become an epic farce, worse than what was just witnessed in the final weeks (and still ongoing antics) of the Clancy trial. One cannot feel optimistic about an investigation led by Ms. James, herself a hater of white ("pale, stale") men and a strong advocate of women's "victimhood" when it comes to men and sex. The lives of those involved will be turned upside down and inside out (the process is already underway) for a very long time. Call it tragic.
The takeaway from planned parenthood-adjacent policy and indulgence of social liberal club is that women lack agency and demonstrate bad judgment. Members of the Pro-Choice religion are accessories before the fact. Abort.
I saw somewhere else, the observation about the Clancy trial, and then the infant murder, and then the botched execution, and then this. And all of them with a clear theme of applying unquestioning sympathy to the perpetrators in each saga. The observation concluding that this was all election year agit-prop to get out the radical feminist vote.
I'm finding it hard to pick this theory apart. MAGA is seen as one extreme side, while the Progressive side is seen as even more extreme - and yet these are the two choices being presented to the 80% cohort of reasonably normal people, with the exhortation that we should choose wisely.
Maybe it's becoming closer to the time when reasonably normal people need to start showing their political leaders what they expect from them, instead of being forced to choose from one extreme or the other.
‘a woman has the right to tell a man to stop at any time during sexual intercourse, and if he refuses, it can be considered rape or sexual assault.’
…one of those ‘always leave an out’ law prof bs laws. Say she’s consented and he’s nuts deep and she calls the audible, must his refusal be verbal, how much time is he allowed to enact this reversal, is there a pitch clock, and when do we determine the act of stopping is complete- when he’s dressed with keys in hand or like, when he makes a football move?
Aggie wrote: "I saw somewhere else, the observation about the Clancy trial, and then the infant murder, and then the botched execution, and then this. And all of them with a clear theme of applying unquestioning sympathy to the perpetrators in each saga. The observation concluding that this was all election year agit-prop to get out the radical feminist vote."
This!
Ms. Paglia references "real rape." She is alluding to the debate around date rape. In "Real Rape," Susan Estrich focused on what she called "simple rape" between a woman and and her husband or boyfriend or even an acquaintance. Unlike "stranger rape," nobody is brandishing weapons or breaking bones. It was a rather remarkable contribution to feminist thought.
Abort the sex, abort the baby... send in the leftist clown police.
Don't. Stop.
Don't Stop.
Aggie - yeah. yes.
Tom Wolfe wrote a novel about this called I am Charlotte Simmons. The events in the book including the nature of the female protagonist are eerily predictive, including a description of the morning-after “walk of shame.”
Young people are always vulnerable to errors of judgment that lead to dismal consequences. They focus on rights rather than responsibilities.
"This is a very old topic! Let's not act as though people are just noticing this problem."
The trouble is that it's an entirely new topic to 17-year-old girls the world over. Every year.
A large number of people have taking the Paglia stance as long as she has and get no credit. Only disparagement.
It's like the Glenn Loury /John McWhorter effect. They get notice by being black guys taking a white guy stand, and Paglia gets it for being a woman and taking the men's side.
The credit excess is pandering to their group for being able to make a simple observation.
“MAGA is seen as one extreme side”
@Aggie, what is extreme about being normal?
"This is a very old topic! Let's not act as though people are just noticing this problem."
Yes, this problem goes back to prehistory.
Our modern society spends so much time and energy educating people about the biological mechanics of sex and almost no time educating people abut the emotional consequences of sex. Sexual prowess is praised as good and emotional intimacy is condemned as a dangerous vulnerability.
We think that we're so enlightened these days because we are so sexually "liberated," but we're so unhappy because we actively avoid dealing with painful issues. And because we don't want to deal with this problem, when it comes to sex, we've been sweeping it under the rug since prehistory.
Ivy League frat boys do tend to become hedge fund guys and are to avoided at all costs, however old they may be.
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