Catherine Mchomvu, an antenatal class teacher at the Devon Antenatal Family Centre, said it was important that women and their partners had supplies, including towels, blankets and water in the car.... “It’s about trying to create the birth environment that you would normally have in the hospital or at home, in your car.
And here's an article from 12 days ago: "'Maternity deserts' leave women with two-hour journey to give birth/Mothers-to-be fear delivering their babies on the roadside as NHS staffing shortages and closures leave swathes of England without nearby maternity care."
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Whatever you do - don't blame Government run health care.
BTW - the UK's NHS is very unpopular.
The left want to HARM us citizens - a great way to do it is to usher in wait in line Medicare for all - universal tax payer funded health care. You think health care is expensive now? You think heath care is a tangled mess now?
wait until Hasan Piker in in charge.
If you are high IQ, you need stop thinking so much and get to work making babies. This graph scares me:
https://x.com/paulbohm/status/2092468356053860826/photo/1
Third world.
Leftists are cheap a-holes. The cultists drink from the fountain of "free healthcare for all!"
They have no clue that it will be the end of health care for all.
Economic losers.
We need to get back to basics. Stop forcing insurance companies to pay for basics. Allow insurance to work as insurance should work. Get the F*ing Corrupt government out of it. Add transparency to all procedures. etc..
@bagoh20, It is a fallacy that natural selection rewards intelligence. Natural selection actually rewards those who mate the most. Modernity's literally a bitch.
Overwhelmed healthcare systems is an under appreciated consequence of uncontrolled immigration. Adding millions of people to a system without a commensurate expansion of capacity leads to shortages in basically everything.
Yes, but the virtuous thing about it is that it's free.
People in rural communities take on health risks associated with the lag time between the urgent need for care and the delivery of that care. I'd need more facts before I blamed this on socialized medicine.
It's not my fault that natural selection made me horney.
Meh. College educated white women down the street from Mass General choose to have their kids in the bathtub at home without medical staff present. ‘Midwife’ sounds cool dunnit?
A little over a third of U.S. counties can also be classified as "maternity deserts." More rural hospitals are having a tough time, but that has been going on for decades, not just now and not just post-ACA. It's a knotty challenge.
Free healthcare for all! Unless you’re a pregnant woman in Devon or an old person in Canada.
Free health care for all! Sucks to be you if you are actually in need of that health care.
Get in line.
The problem with healthcare is glaringly obvious. There are no natural market forces, no pricing inputs, no choice, no responsibility. Sell it all on Amazon. The government can subsidize the poor, but get out of the distribution and sales. I just recently started using Medicare and seeing the charges. Absolute fraud and theft. And the healthcare I paid for my whole life now costs me more than private insurance.
Ampersand, I'm with you, at least as it applies in the United States; I know less about deserts in the U.K. I can remember covering a struggling small hospital in a largely rural county back in the 1980s. It's really tough to get the math to work.
Bagoh - yikes indeed.
Dumbing down the masses is all part of the big corrupt left game plan.
The Crime syndicate that is the Hasan Piker Maoist Democratic party - demand more fraud and more government control over health care. Sadly - the low IQ Bernie cultists lack all understanding of basic economics. They buy into the propaganda and emotional based lunacy. It's just like those idiots wearing Margret Atwood costumes.
Why does this one species need so much help giving birth? I thought it was a natural process. People used to do it a dozen times in row at home.
The other frightening deal is all of the young people who just graduated from some BS nursing school - and all they were taught is "Don't be an Islamophobe" and other DEI crapola.
Seems performative: If the baby is imminent , stay home and deliver it there. I think most couples do a childbirth class and they cover that, because it could happen. It happened to us on our 3rd and honestly, it was NBD--though we still kind of "dine out on it".
Staffing shortages? Have they tried bringing in foreigners to do the jobs the English won't do? It's worked well in the U.S.
National Health Service meets AAA. Roadside service?
Bagoh, I fear we are in a race against time- unless we develop autonomous robots to maintain our infrastructure inside of the next 50 years, we are destined to revert to shithole status on 100% of the planet.
Plenty of money for immigrants, though.
The whole future that sci-fi has predicted with robots, including some form of the "Terminator" outcome seems inevitable and accelerating. It will happen so fast we won't even have time to hit the brakes. That's why I try to live an unhealthy lifestyle.
Prince William gets $30 million a year from the Duchy of Cornwall. He could step up.
The scary thing is the self-acceleration that seems to be starting, especially with A.I., where one new technology accelerates another, and then, like a runaway reaction, they all feed each other so fast that you can't get control of it, and when you add in the human competitive impulse. It's just an avalanche of inevitability. The Industrial Revolution was like that, but this will be exponentially more powerful and out of control.
Stan (Loretta): "I want to be a woman. I want to be a woman. It's my right as a woman to want to be a woman... I want to have babies. It is every man's right to have babies if he wants them."
Reg: "You can't have babies."
Stan (Loretta): "Don't you oppress me."
Reg: "I'm not oppressing you, Stan, you haven't got a womb. Where's the fetus going to gestate? Are you going to keep it in a box?"
Wow, who would have thought that the basic laws of supply and demand would apply to health care also. As in, if you make something "free", you will either need to have an endless supply of it or severely ration it. Since the first is impossible in the context of health care, the inevitable result is the second. Try telling that to the "Medicare for All" idiots.
All Hail Britannia!
What happened to midwives?
@bagoh20, my favorite part in that clip is that they still had to portray her IQ has higher than his. Oh hollywood....never change.
Why haven't the millions of doctors and nurses the UK has imported gotten busy with all the healthcare they brought with them? How come a rural place that just had its population doubled by the government bringing in a shit-ton of migrant doctors and nurses is having to close their hospitals? Something's not adding up. You need to be a Socialist to understand.
J L Oliver said...
"What happened to midwives?"
They are called "Doulas" now.
It's "health insurance" for all. Actual healthcare will be meted out at the pleasure of the State, based on availability and your social credit score.
Coming to the US if the Dems can get "Medicare for all" passed.
Our first child was born at a major teaching hospital. My wife gets me up about 4:30am, "time to go". We get to the maternity room and the nurse calls her doc about 6am. The nurse is saying, she is dilating quickly, you better get a move on. I can read the guy's mind - 1st pregnancy, she has only been in labor for two hours, I am going have my breakfast and go in shortly. The maternity resident is in surgery doing a C-section. About 6:30, the nurse turns to me and says, "put some gloves on". Kid comes out about 20 minutes later with me and the nurse in attendance - everything was fine. I tell my wife, when the bill comes, I am paying for the nurse, but not the doctor.
While it has been some years, now, I've been on the receiving end of the NHS. You don't know how bad it is until you get good healthcare. I sat for hours in an ER - which actually wasn't particularly crowded - with blood pouring from a broken nose, to eventually be seen by a triage nurse who took literally a 5 second look saying 'nothing they can do until the swelling goes down'. We just went home with my mother trying to stop the bleeding. You make up excuses in your head to justify and live with the way it is. Just like UK crime.
I'm trying to figure out how this is all Trump's fault. There has to be a way!
I note none of the usual leftists are here to defend their precious socialized free healthcare that is utopian and wonderful and never, ever a problem and sooooo much better. It's free, don't you know! What could possibly go wrong?
Don’t worry. It’s only women. Birthing Persons won’t have to give birth in the back of the car. They are Special.
Midwives and Doulas are not the same thing. Midwives are medical professionals; RNs who have done medical graduate work beyond their nursing degree. Doulas are coaches, advocates and companions, they do not need medical training and do not provide medical care.
The NHS has been pointed to as a model for US healthcare. Wonderful!
I’ve been on the receiving end of “free health care for all” in Germany. It’s worth exactly what you pay for it
But, women have figured out nothing for millennia. What’s the problem?
Birthing, not nothing.
Unlimited legal and illegal immigration. Whatever fool suggested importing more immigrants to cover staff shortages doesn't understand it's money shortages, not people shortages, because they're letting so many unemployed Muslims in. There are true refugees and immigrants from these countries who contribute, but the vast majority are an uncivilized invasion. These misogynistic, lazy men don't even let their several wives (yes, tacitly allowed in Britain) be educated and work in hospitals. Those men sure don't touch British women unless they're raping and torturing them. Nor are they educated. They congregate in cities, and the native population that has fled cities or always lived countryside are given fewer resources to avoid depriving the "migrants" swarming the cities.
John Cleese is getting death threats for speaking out.
Restore Britain.
"Oh the problem is the Gubmit. If them thar socialists in Eng-land would have muh free enterprise that wouldn't happen. Dagnabbit". Say, the losetarians.
No, the problem is that massive immigration of migrants who add almost zero to the tax base but do add a massive burden to the health system. England/Wales have added 8 million more people in the last 20 years. 58 million vs. 50 million.
We have a shortage of doctors and hospitals in rural America. You never hear about it because the NYTs and the MSM don't care. They don't live in rural Ohio or Arkansas.
Per Grok: Health Cost per Person: The U.S. spends far more per capita (over $15,000 equivalent) compared to the UK (roughly $7,500 or equivalent per person)
UK System (The NHS): Approximately 81% of healthcare spending is funded publicly through government taxation.
U.S. System: Only about 49% comes from public programs (like Medicare and Medicaid), with the remaining half paid through private employer insurance and direct out-of-pocket costs
Anyway, a 2 hour drive to have a baby is nothing compared to what women went through as late as 1920. A mid-wife should be able to handle any emergencies.
Just wait until they discover Canada outside Ontario.
No one under 50 should be allowed to immigrate to any country. How many old people from other countries are clogging up the health care system in the UK or the USA?
Hell, I'm an old guy married to an old woman. And everytime we go to the Doctor or the blood lab, I'm shocked at how many old immigrants are there. these people didn't pay into the system for 40 years. They came here, somehow 15 years or sooner, and went on medicare and Medicaid.
But no one cares, because the elite don't care. It doesn't affect them. Even in the UK they have a 2 tier system. If you're in the wealthy 5 percent - you go private. Everyone else goes NHS.
In the USA, its mostly all private, but the rich get gold plated health care. And the rest of us dont.
My sister lives in Seward, AK. A few weeks before her due dates, she started staying with a friend in Anchorage, because that's the nearest hospital: A drive of about 140 minutes when the roads are good. The births were all before Obamacare.
As others have said, just a trade-off for living far from population centers.
Keep in mind this is England where everything isn't very far from everything else. But play your card right and you too can give birth in a wagon just like your great grandmother did. Surrounded by strangers with dubious hygiene.
Are there no TikTok help tutorial?
So many babies were born in taxis in old TV shows, that it's surprising it doesn't happen more often in real life.
The real trick, though, is giving birth while driving the taxi.
"Catherine Mchomvu"
I wouldn't take the class if dyslexia is contagious.
"NHS staffing shortages and closures leave swathes of England without nearby maternity care."
Swathes without swadding? Horrors!
"as NHS staffing shortages and closures leave swathes of England without nearby maternity care."
I'm guessing the socialists/communists here in the US who are pushing for "Free Government Healthcare For All" will be leaving this part out of the brochure.
Allahu Akbar!
"R C Belaire said...
Third world."
Ignorance. I LIVE in the bloody Third World and we have easy access to maternity hospitals. It costs me about $250 per kid so far (one and two years old) including a week in the hospital for my wife. I am going to out-reproduce all of you and my progeny will return one day to reconquer North America.
"Overwhelmed healthcare systems is an under appreciated consequence of uncontrolled immigration."
The law of supply and demand applies to health care, housing, jobs, education and oh so many things. Bring in unvetted, unscreened illegals by the tens of millions. Provide the services to these people for free.... Shocker, shortages, higher prices, cultural conflict.
“It’s about trying to create the birth environment that you would normally have .... at home, in your car."
Maybe just stay at home rather than risk having it roadside.
I remember when my daughter was born. First problem was that she went into distress. My understanding is that her BP wasn’t rebounding like it should after a contraction by the mother. OB was ready to C-section, but decided to put O2 on the mother first. That worked. Then, with the later contractions, she (the OB) said, in a clinical voice: “we have Meconium here”. Next set of contractions, and she (daughter) was out. What she had said so clinically turned it from a normal delivery, into a pediatric emergency. Between the two last sets of contractions, a pair of pediatricians and a pair of neonatal pediatric nurses had arrived, and opened up the back of the room, exposing essentially a neonatal ER. Where my daughter was immediately whisked, and placed in an incubator, on O2. Because Meconium is the first mammalian stool. If it was recognized by the OB, it was in the baby’s lungs. Which it was. It is thought that the earlier fetal stress caused my daughter to void her bowels. In any case, low O2 in the lungs those first couple days likely would have resulted in a stunted IQ for the baby. When went on and graduated Summa Cum Laude from college, received her PhD in MechE, with a dissertation on variable frequency laser spectroscopy, and is currently employed as a senior test engineer testing satellite optical sensors for early launch detection for the DoWar.
Similar stories from my partner and another good friend. Those two were both dancers, so hips didn’t spread properly. 4 of 5 of the children of these 3 (including my ex) had problems during their deliveries, and that one is the only one without 1 or more graduate degrees. Those 4 kids were fine, but may not have been if not born in a hospital setting. A midwife in a hospital likely would have worked just fine. Not in a barn, nor in a taxi cab.
Modern medicine and modern hospitals are one of the biggest causes of increased female longevity and healthy survival of newborns. Childbirth just doesn’t kill very many women or infants anymore. In the 19th century, and earlier, if a woman had enough kids, likely one would kill her. Not anymore.
Oso Negro said...
"R C Belaire said...
Third world."
You live in LA?
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