August 1, 2026

"There was a cult of Fauci. People were getting Fauci tattoos and dancing with images of Fauci."

"He really was on the cover of every magazine, which, if you think about it, was weird! If millions of Americans suddenly made me their cult leader, and I had previously just been an unknown short man in the back of an HIV press conference, I would go insane with power too. So would you. And when you see lockdowns in the context of a power-drunk elf getting turned on by the idea of canceling Easter—he’s typing so fast he can barely keep up—you can understand better what we all lived through. For him, the pleasure was canceling things, especially things he felt gave power to the right (sports, family gatherings, religious events). We can never forget the freaks who gain power in a centrally controlled system...."

Writes Nellie Bowles in "I Am the Most Famous and Talked-About Person in the Country" (The Free Press).

So do "freaks... gain power in a centrally controlled system"? Or does the power that's there to be gained  in a centrally controlled system make freaks out of people? Bowles must mean the latter, because she'd saying she would "go insane" under the same circumstances and "So would you."

About that "dancing with images":

About what I boldfaced above: I'm up for taunting Fauci over the things Fauci deserves to be taunted for, but having repeated fun over his height seems... well, it seems like Obama's thing about balding:

ADDED: I note that shortness seems to be a precondition to Bowles's notion that we'd all "go insane." Perhaps those of us with height privilege would keep it together. 

133 comments:

Peachy+2 said...

The collective left are a religious cult.

Peachy+2 said...

The man who ruined your life, ruined your business, ruined your children, killed your grandmother and grandfather, forced you to get jab after unproven jab, and lied to you while he pocketed millions - is the left's hero.

but of course.

john mosby said...

Last acceptable prejudice. CC, JSM

Peachy+2 said...

Remember- Fauci wasn't everyone's hero - he was the cult left's hero.
The corrupt democratic party were all in.

Peachy+2 said...

Fauci could slaughter beagles right in front of all the dedicated cult leftists - and they would still worship him.

Saint Croix said...

Which is more of an actual mental disorder, Napoleon complex or Trump Derangement Syndrome?

n.n said...

Selective, opportunistic, human rites... All's fair in lust and abortion.

stlcdr said...

The hero worship undermines the science - but then these followers don’t actually care about the science.

Should probably put a (tm) after the ‘science’ as it’s claimed by Fauci.

Peachy+2 said...

Here is a normal Democrat - realizing the error of his ways.

"Stephen A. Smith publicly APOLOGIZES to Kyrie Irving after calling him "selfish" for refusing the COVID jab.

"Hindsight-wise, it didn’t make him stubborn or selfish. It made him BRAVE.""

n.n said...

Ode the relief of burdens masked in the seance of spikes and scalpels. The god-complex is a narcissistic Choice... choice of kings and queens, congruent and inclusive.

Wilbur said...

Fauci? He's no Don Herbert.

stlcdr said...

The whole critique of the person - ad hominem - just undermines everything; to be fair, trump bases his whole Truth Social around that, but he does it deliberately knowing full well it winds up his opposition to a frenzy. The reason I don’t listen to anything trump says.



Not an oldster. said...

Bari Weiss' lesbian wife is your thought leader this morning?
You have height privilege?

No hard news today, huh?
Shortstuff gonna edit out the nature sounds again and create a morning music video, or is he on to another hobby? Has he tried digging roses? *wink

n.n said...

An abortive experiment in animal husbandry with human factors to mitigate antigenic progress wielded with liberal license and regulatory arbitrage.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

The internet has informed me that Anthony Fauci is five foot seven as is Nellie Bowles.

Howard said...

Keep hope alive, losers. The series of Fauci posts are like chewing on a cold sore. You're obviously inside your own Trump derangement syndrome bubble. Knowing that you have already lost the midterm elections, you desperately cling to the hope that this monumental fuckup perpetuated by a deep state and supported by the Democrat elite is somehow going to put you over the top in the face of getting your ass kicked my by the Madd Mullahs in Iran.

It's really sad. Trump came so close after that. Stunning victory in Venezuela. If you had just focused internally on making the USA great again, instead of helping Israel become an even more hated pariah in the world, you guys would be whistling Dixie into the midterms.

And don't think for a second that I view this as a win for "my side.". An American president makes a mistake that causes lots of damage to the economy to our military and our reputation around the world, we are all the lesser for it.

Deep State Reformer said...

"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."

Cappy said...

Yesirrre! For boomer leftists, the Covid Quarantine was the best time of their lives!

Saint Croix said...

the vaccine scene

so embarrassing

Jon Stewart in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Howard said...

Jordan Jensen: All men over 6'2" are paychos

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

The piece confuses disagreement with psychological diagnosis. It’s fair to criticize Fauci’s recommendations or argue that some pandemic policies caused unnecessary harm. It’s another thing entirely to claim he was “turned on” by canceling holidays or intoxicated by celebrity. That’s not evidence, it’s fan fiction. Likewise, the fact that scientists privately debated a possible lab leak in early 2020 isn’t a scandal; it’s exactly what scientists are supposed to do before reaching provisional conclusions. The strongest critique of the pandemic response doesn’t require inventing motives or pretending uncertainty was certainty.

Peachy+2 said...

Hatred for Trump by the corrupt communist Global leftwing cabal is so fierce - they will conspire to ruin the global economy over it. Killing masses is just a few eggs to the leftist cabal.

Bob Boyd said...

Don't give me that, "Oh, poor Fauci...he's only human...nobody's perfect...he did the best he could...the best anybody could" bullshit. This isn't about how Fauci handled his sudden fame and sudden increase in power.

RFK JR: "[Fauci] was lying about the origins from day one. Why was he lying? Because he funded those studies at the Wuhan lab, and he funded the studies at the University of North Carolina that developed the techniques for weaponizing COVID-19."

"And then [he] gave those to Ralph Baric, his funded scientist at the University of North Carolina, gave those to Shi Zhengli, the scientist, the 'bat lady' scientist in the Wuhan lab. And he taught her a technique that Anthony Fauci had paid him to develop called seamless ligation, which is also called 'no-see-em.'"

"It's a way of manipulating the virus to make it deadly to human beings and then covering up the evidence of human manipulation."

"And why would anybody spend NIH money developing that kind of technology?"

"It's bioweapons technology. It has nothing to do with public health. It's the opposite. It's the inverse of anything you would want to do with public health."

"Well, he took that, and he gave it to the Chinese military lab at Wuhan."

Fauci is a monster.

n.n said...

Diverse mandates with individual risk, without scientific cause or societal benefits, known a priori.

wendybar said...

Fauci even has one of those religious prayer candles with himself portrayed as the Messiah on his bookshelf, whilst he lied to America so that Hollyweird lefties would worship him....

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

It’s hard not to notice the timing. As the Trump administration faces scrutiny over tariffs, Iran, and other self-inflicted political problems, Fauci is suddenly back at center stage. Whether by design or coincidence, it’s a much more comfortable conversation than defending current policy.

Peachy+2 said...

Again -kak-a-BOT (D) with your IA produced fake "Evidence" canard.

Kak-a-bot failed to read Fauci's diary. Instead Kak-a-Bot (D) cranks out leftist AI, to fill in his blanks.

Peachy+2 said...

Poor Kak-a-Cultist. Why can't we whine about tariffs?

Peachy+2 said...

Jesse Kelly is reading aloud on his show, all the horror stories from ordinary Americans who had their lives ruined by chi com fauci democrat party COVID.

The cult left: Yawn. They just don't care.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

@Bob Boyd: That’s quite a story. The problem is it leaps from disputed premises to absolute conclusions.

There is no public evidence that Fauci funded a Chinese bioweapons program, “weaponized COVID-19,” or knowingly transferred bioweapons technology to the Chinese military. “Seamless ligation” isn’t some sinister invention—it’s a longstanding molecular biology technique used by labs around the world for genetic engineering.

Scientists can reasonably debate whether NIH-funded coronavirus research was adequately overseen, whether some experiments should have been approved, or whether a lab accident is plausible. Those are legitimate questions.

But claiming Fauci secretly created a bioweapons program requires evidence, not just an escalating series of assertions. Extraordinary accusations demand extraordinary proof and after years of investigations, that’s still the missing ingredient.

As Howard suggested above — pablum for the Althouse commentariat.

bagoh20 said...

Now I understand people identifying as animals. My species of birth is embarrassing.

Saint Croix said...

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Saint Croix said...

the good doctor In Style

Dave Begley said...

It makes perfect sense that people who love Fauci got tats of him. Double insanity.

This Fauci thing is a test for the Left and they are failing it. Why do they continue to stand with this guy.

Bob Boyd said...

"Davon haben wir nichts gewusst"

Earnest Prole said...

I dare say Fauci could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and slaughter beagles and they would still worship him.

Saint Croix said...

The Revelatory Cringe of Anthony Fauci

The Atlantic is embarrassed.

My teenage daughter has a diary. It’s pink and, most important, has an elaborate lock on it. And if I could go back in time to 2020, I might send this exact sort of journal to Anthony Fauci. Every night, when he was finished sharing his thoughts about battling COVID, he could have locked it, scrambled the combination, and then buried it in his sock drawer, as I think my daughter does.

Before this weekend, I would never have dreamed of comparing the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases to a teenage girl. But now that I’ve seen his diary...

Peachy+2 said...

fter Fauci Debacle, Our Idiot Press Circles the Wagons

Peachy+2 said...

Prole - I already said that.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

I’m genuinely pleased and a bit surprised that despite the sustained smear campaign, the latest polling still gives Fauci a net +9 favorability. That’s far better than the major political parties (both around -20) and Trump himself, whose net approval sits around -25.
https://yougov.com/en-us/daily-results/20260730-8b3a5-4

Apparently the smear campaign isn’t resonating as well as its promoters hoped.

Saint Croix said...

Sexiest Man Alive?

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

This isn’t a “Left vs. Right” test. It’s an evidence test. I’ve criticized Fauci when I thought he was wrong, and I’d support prosecution if there were proof he committed crimes. What I won’t do is confuse political rhetoric with admissible evidence. I’d expect an attorney to appreciate that distinction.

Peachy+2 said...

Kak-a-Cultist stands by his man.

n.n said...

Trump was right about celebrities with "benefits" and democratic risk of taking a knee with an appeal to authority. All's fair in lust and abortion? Maybe, baby, not. Choose better.

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Saint Croix said...

Fauci on his friends, the celebrities.

"really fine people"

Maybe they could give him a star on the Walk of Fame.

"I'm not Science, but I played Science on TV."

M Jordan said...

Faici’s short stature is a huge factor in his going mad with self-love.

n.n said...

Who will not wear a ribbon? A pride parade served as a sociopolitical consensus with green gelatin in a novel deal.

R C Belaire said...

As John Lennon never said, "Fauci is more popular than Christ!"

Saint Croix said...

people who love Fauci got tats of him

It would be kind of ironic if all that ink got into the bloodstream.

Common tattoo inks may contain heavy metals, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and primary aromatic amines, toxic if exceeding permissible limits. It is estimated that about 14.36 mg of ink is injected per cm2 of skin, at a depth of 1–3 mm. The injected pigment is internalised by neutrophils, fibroblasts, and macrophages or dendritic cells. About 60–90 % of the pigment is then transported to the lymph nodes via the lymphatic system and to other organs, such as the liver, spleen, and lung, through blood. Adverse reactions can be immediate (irritation, infection, inflammation of the skin), delayed (hypersensitivity reactions), and can result in long-term complications (fibrosis, granulomatous changes, systemic inflammation, and sometimes malignant diseases such as lymphoma).

Tattooing: immediate and long-term adverse reactions and complications.

Breezy said...

Fauci is a small man, both physically and morally. To this day he has not expressed any remorse for the pain and suffering needlessly caused not just in the US, but globally. He shut down dissenting scientific voices. Doctors in CA and TX were booted off social media at his direction. He couldn’t have people thinking ivermectin or other medications would work. That would get in the way of the *mandate* to get the jab. That was abominable. He deserves a complete and utter shameful exile from public life.

Yancey Ward said...

My point of view was this- despite the possession of that pardon, Fauci was forced to confess to the crimes he was being charged with- that is why he took the fifth. He was only being asked the questions he had been asked about in the past and had given answers to- what other reasonable explanation for not repeating those same answers is there other than his previous answers being lies that could now be proven as such using Fauci's own writings?

Peachy+2 said...

Kak-a-Cultist loves Fauci and hates Trump! Polls show other leftist cultists feel the same.
Shocking.

John henry said...

Lenin, Stalin, Napoleon, Hitler were all short and all my life I have heard that their shortness caused them to be the way they were, murdering millions (like Fauci?). All were less than 5'6" Mao was also only 5'9" not real short but not tall.

We could probably find other exampoles.

Fauci is 5'7"

John Henry

Saint Croix said...

As John Lennon never said, "Fauci is more popular than Christ!"

And in 1967, the summer of love? The Monkees beat them both.

Christ has a sense of humor.

The Monkees Wacky Wobbler Boxset $125

The Beatles bobbleheads $89

Dr. Fauci bobblehead $30

Peachy+2 said...

Leftist religious cultists - made pro-fauci videos, sang pro-Fauci songs, bought fauci candles, purchased and wore I love Fauci t-shirts, slapped I love fauci bumper stickers on their cars... and more.
The same leftists ignore the torture of Beagles and the destruction the manufactured covid virus caused millions of people. A virus manufactured and leaked from a Fauci gain of function funded lab in China.

Just a happy coincidence Chinese Communists send trillions to fund democrats and fund all sorts of neo-leftism around the globe.

whatever you do - don't call Democratic leftists - cultists.

Bob Boyd said...

Since 2002 Fauci and Baric were working on modifying corona viruses. In 2005 they announced they had created what they called "synthetic corona viruses designed to target human heart and human lung tissue as a biowarfare enabling technology."
There are specific grant numbers for this work which was shared with the Wuhan Lab and therefore the PLA. All of this precedes the dates covered by Fauci's pardon. The proof isn't missing. You just choose to either ignore it or try to deliberately deflect away from it. Do some research if you have the integrity. You'll find out I'm right. I doubt your operating in good faith here in these comments.

n.n said...

The short and tall of this story's progression is a man with a plan, wielding liberal license in darkness and regulatory arbitrage, as a first-order forcing of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change and collateral damage.

Breezy said...

I hope Sen Paul is looking through Fauci’s finances, post Jan 20, 2025.

mccullough said...

Fauci was 5’5 when he was younger.

He lied about his height, too

Kevin said...

Fauci grabbed power from Trump, leading to a collective orgasm on the Left.

John henry said...

here is some evidence that Kung Flu was a bioweapon program

4 deaths/mm China (might be as high as a few hundred/mm}

3,642 deaths/mm US

John Henry

John Henry

Saint Croix said...

Apparently, one of the most rare bobbleheads are the satirical Supreme Court ones, produced by the green bag

(not the cheap knock-offs for the public, these are bobbleheads for the elite!)

Maynard said...

I see that Howard and kaki are now a tag team. More loser trolls to scroll past.

Saint Croix said...

ooo my grammar

plural

singular

trans bobblehead bobble

I googled trans bobblehead but I got transformers

never mind, AI, never mind

Temujin said...

I think much of what passed as Fauci adoration was built on a foundation of Trump hate and conservative hate. Sure they loved Fauci, but the cult-like aspect was born out of wanting to stick their upright middle finger into the face of every American questioning the edicts that offset the President. Or our Governor (here in Florida). Or what we thought in our own minds.
They literally got together with others and practiced- rehearsed- dance and song numbers simply to stick their middle finger in our faces.
Some are doing it even today after his cowardly showing in front of Congress. Again- a middle finger to the face of every American. Love, Anthony. With the gleeful backing of our leftist media.

Saint Croix said...

I see that Howard and kaki are now a tag team.

bobblehead mafia

keep nodding, boys, keep nodding

bagoh20 said...

The reason Fauci had no qualms about what he did is his expectation that people on the left would act exactly like they are. The people defending Fauci are not asking for the truth. they are defending hiding it.

Saint Croix said...

There is no Rand Paul bobblehead, apparently, but his father is still rocking

Peachy+2 said...

Shorter cultist leftists: "Our Trump hate smothers everything, and we don't give a fuck who it hurts."

leftists LOVE punishment and pain.

n.n said...

The vaxxxination pogrom was keyed on white privilege... precursors with empathetic antigens and socioscientific dissing.

Peachy+2 said...

Leftist Cultists LOVE bio-weapons.

William said...

Liberals, after they crash and burn, are allowed to fade into obscurity and darkness. John Edwards, Anthony Weiner, Michael Avenatti. Where are the snows of yesteryear. The Dems are studiously avoiding comment or coverage of Fauci's foibles. There are useful lessons to be learned from Fauci's missteps ,but the Dems will never learn them.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

Bob Boyd writes: “Since 2002 Fauci and Baric were working on modifying corona viruses.”

The confidence is impressive. The evidence, however, is doing considerably less heavy lifting.

Yes, Fauci, Ralph Baric, and other scientists studied coronaviruses before COVID-19. Yes, researchers created engineered coronavirus systems to understand how these viruses interact with human cells. That is called virology research, not proof that they created a bioweapon.

The leap from “scientists studied whether coronaviruses could infect human cells” to “they built a bioweapon and handed it to the Chinese military” requires evidence, not a chain of insinuations.

Grant numbers show funding. They do not show intent, criminal conduct, or a secret weapons program. If the proof is as definitive as claimed, it should be easy to produce not hidden behind the phrase “do your own research.”

Extraordinary accusations still require extraordinary evidence. That standard doesn’t change because the subject is politically unpopular.

Bob Boyd said...

You can lead a horse to water...

rehajm said...

we make fun of Hitler’s physical characteristics too. It’s okay…

rehajm said...

…and just to keep the Nazi theme rolling, if the internet had been around Mengele would have been a cult meme, too…

Howard said...

I see you cucks are still intimidated by anyone with a contrary opinion entering the bubble of your safe space provided by Mommy Ann who tucks you in at night

mindnumbrobot said...

Adding to what Temujin at 9:38

There was also a very smug sense of superiority amongst the Fauci cult. They revealed in feeling like a part of the in-crowd, the smart people, looking down their noses and sneering at the rubes who dare question their authority. Heck, they were saying people requiring life saving care unrelated to C19 who hadn't been vaccinated should be left to die. It was all very sick, and some people—as evidenced in some of commentary here–can't let it go. That would mean admitting they were wrong, and that simply won't stand.

hombre said...

Fauci worshippers: the same kind of people who believe MAGA is idolatry. That is to say stupid, deranged people.

Yancey Ward said...

There are two (among many others with this virus) amazing "coincidences"-

(1) That the first cases arose in Wuhan, less than a mile from a laboratory that was not only studying but actually modifying the exact same class of viruses to better infect human cells. This isn't conspiracy theory- this is actual established fact from the grant proposals that were actually funded by NIH/NIAID- we aren't guessing about this. The only thing about this work is that we basically don't have a confession yet that the furin cleavage site was deliberately inserted into the virus' genome, which brings us to the other amazing "coincidence";

(2) The furin cleavage site contains consecutive arginine residues- the codons (the three letter RNA- covid is an RNA virus) are the very unusual-in-nature ones for arginine but are commonly used in laboratory genomic modification. The odds of covid's particular coding happening by chance is about 1 in 10,000.

Now, you can pretend this all happened by chance but you are literally asserting that odds of one in a million that this was by chance rather than by design. If you are a moron, sure, assert that there is no way to know if this virus was modified at the Wuhan Insitute.

I might have been willing to agree that the arginine codons arose by chance but adding in the location of the first outbreak makes such an assertion impossible to sustain logically. And note, there is a lot of other evidence of genetic manipulation in the genomic sequence that lay additional odds against it just happening by chance at that particular wet market. Also, you have add in, too, how the Chinese government handled the outbreak right at the start- deleting databases at Wuhan and making the scientists unavailable for any investigation- they literally seemed to be behaving like a person who took the 5th in a deposition. Someone in that lab is in a position to confess to having added that cleavage site but I think that person might well have been killed to ensure that confession is never made. However, the odds against a natural occurence are so steep now that I don't need a confession- the coincidences add up to a confession all by themselves.

hombre said...

IEE at 10:02: Here’s another Democrat troll who refuses to acknowledge the implications of a coverup or its effect on substantive evidence.

Yancey Ward said...

And, finally, note that after 6 years no one has found the original animal reservoir from which Covid-19 arose- that is also extremely unusual- the source for other SARs viruses in humans are found within weeks to a few months.

Skeptical Voter said...

Ah there was a pilot's nickname for the A-7 attack jet." SLUF." Which, depending upon your inclination or not for profanity meant "Short Little Ugly F(ellow?) " or something a little more profane. Fauci--based on his diary entries is certainly a SLUF. But he's 85 years old and somehow I think St. Peter won't be impressed when Fauci shows up at the Pearly Gates.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

The outrage economy remains a thriving industry for bloggers and social media influencers. The latest Fauci revival is another example of astroturfing: take a complicated subject, remove the nuance, add a heavy dose of indignation, and watch the clicks roll in. It’s a remarkably effective distraction from the issues that actually affect people’s lives — from economic growth to the drag of tariffs and the instability caused by Trump’s war in the Middle East get pushed aside. Maybe it’s time to trade the outrage economy for an actual economy: one focused on growth, stability, and solving problems instead of constantly manufacturing new ones.

Original Mike said...

"If you are a moron, sure, assert that there is no way to know if this virus was modified at the Wuhan Insitute."

There's a much darker explanation than stupidity.

Yancey Ward said...

Even if we get a confession from Baric, Daszak, or a Chinese scientist who did the actually work, I can predict people like Bich will deal with- they will either claim the confession is false or completely and utterly ignore and never address the issue of origination again- they will pretend to have never argued about it in the past.

This entire debate strongly resembles the debate about the Killian memos that a Bush-hater forged in 2004 and that 60 Minutes promoted. Literally every single piece of evidence suggested that the memos were forgeries created on a modern, at that time, word processing program. And, yet, the anti-Bush crowd kept claiming the evidence could be explained by so and so typewriter that had one of the features of MS Word. As I pointed out at Kevin Drum's blog, you can't analyze it that way- I argued that the combination of all the features rare on 1970 typewriters in one document made the odds of it being a valid 1970 memo essentially a trillion to one against. Of course, no ever produced a typewriter with all those features and for the very simple reason- such a typewriter never existed in the first place as was obvious to anyone with an IQ above 75.

Yancey Ward said...

"There's a much darker explanation than stupidity."

In Fauci's case, yes, I agree, he continued to lie because he was guilty. In Bich's case, he really is that stupid as is demonstrated here every single day in every single thread.

hombre said...

IEE said: “Maybe it’s time to trade the outrage economy for an actual economy: one focused on growth, stability, and solving problems instead of constantly manufacturing new ones.” We have here an entity that slept from 2021 to 2025.

hanuman_prodigious_leaper said...

Dish of the Century
Fried Trump smothered in Fauci Gravy

hanuman_prodigious_leaper said...

after 6 years no one has found the original animal reservoir from which Covid-19 arose ...

Doesn't this mean virus was built from scratch?

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

There is so much material...

"ABC's George Stephanopoulos stoked Anthony Fauci's already supersized ego with a text after one of the disease doctor's many chummy Good Morning America appearances during the pandemic, newly released diary entries show. Fauci claimed that Stephanopoulos heaped praise on him following an interview in July 2020 where the doctor addressed criticism he was receiving from then-President Donald Trump. 'Thank you, Tony. So impressive,' Stephanopoulos, 65, wrote on July 28, 2020, immediately after the interview, according to Fauci."

Fauci became the "sanity check" for people accused of TDS. These people needed a Fauci and Fauci was...well, who would turn down an offer they couldn't refuse?

The guy was already the highest paid government official. Fame was like the icing on the cake.

Peachy+2 said...

The left whine about MAGA - but leftists are truly unbeatable when it comes to their religious deity worship of their golden calf cult leaders.

Yancey Ward said...

"Doesn't this mean virus was built from scratch?"

No. What we mean by reservoir in this case is the virus in it's final, human-transmissible form or a very, very close relative that differs in only minor mutations. The natural orgins theory is that COVID-19 or a very close relative jumped from an animal sold at the wet market into a human who then went on to infect everyone else through a chain of contagion- like SARs in 2003 and MERS in the 2010s. Those links back to animals were established really quickly by finding and replicating the viruses from the animal hosts from which they jumped. COVID-19 appears to have been a virus that, at one time, came from an animal but those versions are vastly different from COVID-19 itself meaning COVID-19 arose after years of mutations inside the animal hosts (or was engineered from a sample of the much older virus).

Peachy+2 said...

COVID appeared to destroy Trump and usher in crook Joe.

Never forget.

deepelemblues said...

"The outrage economy remains a thriving industry for bloggers and social media influencers. The latest Fauci revival is another example of astroturfing: take a complicated subject, remove the nuance, add a heavy dose of indignation, and watch the clicks roll in. It’s a remarkably effective distraction from the issues that actually affect people’s lives — from economic growth to the drag of tariffs and the instability caused by Trump’s war in the Middle East get pushed aside. Maybe it’s time to trade the outrage economy for an actual economy: one focused on growth, stability, and solving problems instead of constantly manufacturing new ones."

This guy having AI write his comments for him on an old school blog. I can't lol

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

The analogy from Yancey is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, but it collapses under inspection. The Killian memo controversy involved a specific set of documents whose authenticity could be tested against known typography, formatting, and historical records. That’s a very different evidentiary question from tracing the origin of a novel virus, where scientists are weighing incomplete data, evolutionary patterns, epidemiological clues, and the availability of records.

The frustrating reality is that science doesn’t work like a courtroom confession scene in a TV drama. A confession from an individual would certainly be important, but it would still need to be corroborated. Likewise, the absence of a confession does not prove one particular theory. That’s why serious investigators have continued to examine both major hypotheses, zoonotic spillover and a possible laboratory-associated incident, while acknowledging that the available evidence has not produced definitive proof.

The bigger problem with the argument is assuming that anyone who disagrees with a preferred conclusion is automatically engaged in denial. Evidence should drive the conclusion, not the other way around. Otherwise, every unresolved question becomes a loyalty test rather than an investigation.

And invoking “anyone with an IQ above 75” is a familiar internet debate tactic: it substitutes an insult for an argument. History has shown that complicated scientific questions are rarely settled by confidence, predictions of what opponents will say, or claims that only one side is capable of recognizing obvious truths.

Original Mike said...

"This guy having AI write his comments for him on an old school blog."

Yeah, that's painfully obvious. Personally, I consider that in "bad faith", but of course, it's not my blog.

john mosby said...

Skeptical V: "St. Peter won't be impressed when Fauci shows up at the Pearly Gates."

Poaching the Army running song:

When I get to Heaven,
St Peter's gonna say,
How'd you earn your livin'?
How'd you earn your pay?
I'll reply with a little bit of anger,
I made my livin' as a disease wanker!

CC, JSM

John said...

I like Hayek's answer: Government regulation attracts the wrong type of people because good people quickly realize that the have insufficient information to make good policies and that any attempt to do so results in so many unintended consequences, most of which are negative, that the best policy is to do nothing and let people be free. Bad people, egomaniacs like Fauci, see only unlimited possibilities for imposing their views upon others.

mindnumbrobot said...

It's "plausible" that Sidney Sweeney's jugs aren't spectacular when unwrapped, but what kind of moron would argue that?

john mosby said...

mindnumbrobot, that theory has been thoroughly debunked by her many nude scenes. However, the witnesses have been too, um, busy to pass the word.....CC, JSM

mindnumbrobot said...

I'm obviously not using the internet correctly. I'll be back in a few days.

bagoh20 said...

"It's "plausible" that Sidney Sweeney's jugs..."

Thank you for that. I found what my mind did with it to be quite enjoyable.

baghdadbob said...

bagoh20 said...
"It's "plausible" that Sidney Sweeney's jugs..."

The new term of art on this blog is "cannons."

MadisonMan said...

A Cult of Personality is never a good thing.

Bob Boyd said...

"It's "plausible" that Sidney Sweeney's jugs..."

Do your own research.

Peaceful warrior said...

Bowles is right to point out that the Fauci celebrity cult was real, and those diary entries show a bit of vanity that’s easy to laugh at. It wasn’t great to make a scientific adviser a secular saint, especially when scientific decisions weren’t always clear and the policies had real costs.

But, Bowles goes beyond just the facts to make her point. While it’s true that becoming famous can be a draw, it doesn’t mean Fauci got a kick out of canceling Easter, silencing people, or stopping things that the right side likes. These ideas are a bit crazy and funny, but they don’t really hold up as solid evidence. Plus, using height jokes to argue against him doesn’t really help her case.

Althouse correctly points out the uncertainty in Bowles’s theory: does having too much power draw people who are naturally inclined to misuse it, or does power and admiration corrupt people who are otherwise good? It seems like both things probably play a role. But what really matters is whether Fauci actually abused his power, misrepresented the facts, or helped hide scientific opinions that were actually valid. We need to look into these questions carefully, without falling into the trap of either overly praising “Trust the Science” or jumping to conclusions based on every little suspicion. The diary suggests Fauci is vain. But on its own, it doesn’t prove he’s a bad person or many of the even worse allegations against him.

Earnest Prole said...

“Prole - I already said that”

No shit.

To spell it out for mouth-breathers, Donald Trump said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters.” I just cribbed the beagle business from you.

Lazarus said...

If nothing else, we do have to thank Trump for getting rid of James Corden.

It's a pity, though, that Stephen Colbert won't have him for a partner when he does his dancing syringes bit.

P.S. Today's theme is Ariana Grande. Wait for it, wait for it ...

Lazarus said...

To be fair though, how do we know that Nelly Bowles and Bari Weiss aren't writing in their diaries about how they quickly became the most famous and talked-about lesbians in the country?

Jim at said...

Again, it's not just about Fauci. It's also about the millions of people who gladly used his lies to bully the rest of us.

Never forget. Never forgive.

Jim at said...

*Why do they continue to stand with this guy.*

Because it allows their inner thug to shine through.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

When the conspiracies and COVID ad-hominems collapse, blame AI for the frustration. Classic.

Original Mike said...

"The diary suggests Fauci is vain. But on its own, it doesn’t prove he’s a bad person or many of the even worse allegations against him."

Actually, it does.

"But nauseating narcissism and gobsmacking greed (and using private email addresses for government business) do not in themselves cause or cover up pandemics. The far greater sin was deliberately misleading the world about the origin of Covid-19. And there in black and white on 26 January 2020 in his diary is Fauci’s line about the Wuhan seafood market, which many claimed was the origin of Covid: ‘Now we know the market was not the source, it was the amplifier.’

Yet, a week later, he convened a group of 12 scientists, most of whom thought it possible, perhaps even probable, that the virus had been engineered in a laboratory, to discuss their concerns. He then tasked four of the fairly junior ones in the meeting (a fifth author joined later), some of whom depended on grants from his agency, to write a paper, ‘The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2’. This paper outright dismissed the possibility of a lab leak as the origin of Covid. He and Jeremy Farrar, the then director of the Wellcome Trust, edited and promoted the publication of that paper. Fauci then disguised his own role in doing so, and spoke about it from the podium of the White House as if he had nothing to do with it."

bagoh20 said...

How common is this shallow silliness? I don't see any other human being like these people see Fauci, and never have. Even if he did great science, was incredibly hansom or had spectacular........ pointers for healthy living, I still wouldn't do embarrassing stuff like this. I also wouldn't feel that him hiding information of vital importance to world health was just fine. It should be embarrassing to these people, but at this point that isn't a thing anymore.

bagoh20 said...

"...blame AI for the frustration."

We're being compassionate. It's much worse to think that you would actually compose all that drivel with your own keystrokes in A.I. style just to post it here where it gets mostly skipped over. We don't want to see as that sad character.

Saint Croix said...

Can I add some "jugs" commentary?

This is from my review of...

Mother, Jugs and Speed (1976) When I was a kid, I thought Raquel Welch must be Mother. And one of the guys must be Jugs. Like he was a moonshiner, maybe. And Speed was one of the guys, probably addicted to amphibians. No, sorry, amphetamines is what I meant to say. Wouldn't it suck to be addicted to amphibians? Or he was just a fast driver. So I was trying to figure out if Bill Cosby or Harvey Keitel was more likely to be a moonshiner.

Anyway, it turns out Bill Cosby is Mother. And Raquel Welch is Jugs. And Harvey Keitel is Speed. It all seems so obvious now. I prefer ta-tas to jugs. It's rude either way, but I still like it more. Mother, Ta-Tas and Speed. I probably would have figured it all out if it was Mother, Ta-Tas and Speed. What they should do is rename the movie and call in the actors for some ADR. Fix your damn title.

I just don't like Jugs. Jugs seem saggy and depressed. Rhymes with bugs, mugs, slugs, chugs, and drugs. Ta-Tas is like a birthday party. Or a magic show at a birthday party. Rhymes with rah rah, wa wa wa, sha na na, mama, a ha, and fa la la. It's just a way better name. I ought to get paid as a title consultant.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

"We're being compassionate."

Says the commenter (and others) whose posts can't stand up to rigorous fact based scrutiny. Do better.

Aggie said...

'.....Which is more of an actual mental disorder, Napoleon complex or Trump Derangement Syndrome?....'

I would just point out that millions of the same people believed the poison dwarf with the Napoleon complex really was Napoleon, while having seizures every time Trump's name was mentioned, or an image of Trump appeared in front of them.

Quite a few of them still are reacting in these ways, apparently, some of them on this very thread.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
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Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

The 20% of Americans living in the most pro-Trump counties suffered nearly 70,000 more COVID deaths than the 20% living in the most pro-Biden counties, according to Pew’s county-level analysis through early 2022. Once vaccines were widely available, the mortality gap widened further in communities where masking and vaccination were most consistently discouraged.

The virus didn’t care about political identity. It did, however, exploit bad advice with ruthless efficiency.

The Changing Political Geography of COVID-19 Over the Last Two Years (Pew Research Center)
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/

Yancey Ward said...

It's not a complicated scientific question, Bich- that you think it is just proves how stupid you are. In the absence of a confession, you rely on the circumstantial evidence and the probilities. In this case, the odds favor lab created by a margin so large only idiots will deny it.

Original Mike said...

Yancey Ward said.."In the absence of a confession, you rely on the circumstantial evidence and the probilities. In this case, the odds favor lab created by a margin so large only idiots will deny it."

Take it from Kristian Andersen himself.

"[Fauci] convened a group of 12 scientists, most of whom thought it possible, perhaps even probable, that the virus had been engineered in a laboratory, to discuss their concerns. He then tasked four of the fairly junior ones in the meeting (a fifth author joined later), some of whom depended on grants from his agency, to write a paper, ‘The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2’. This paper outright dismissed the possibility of a lab leak as the origin of Covid. …"

"Before and after they wrote [The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2] its authors all thought a lab leak was possible, perhaps even likely, as their private messages have repeatedly confirmed. Here’s what the lead author, Kristian Andersen, said the day after the meeting:

‘The main issue is that accidental escape is in fact highly likely – it’s not some fringe theory. I absolutely agree that we can’t prove one way or the other, but we never will be able to – however, that doesn’t mean that by default the data [are] currently much more suggestive of a natural origin as opposed to [for example] passage. It is not – the furin cleavage site is very hard to explain.'"

"Yet both Andersen and Rambaut put their names to a paper that categorically ruled out a laboratory origin. … Fauci’s agency finalised a $8.9million grant to Andersen’s lab, and co-author Bob Garry’s lab, shortly after."

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

The conspiracy version always skips the inconvenient details: Proximal Origin didn’t declare a lab leak impossible, it argued the evidence then favored a natural origin over deliberate engineering. Quoting scientists’ early private doubts as if they were final conclusions isn’t exposing a cover-up; it’s confusing brainstorming with evidence. That’s not how science—or proof—works.

Not one of you has presented factual evidence for what you’re alleging. Conspiracy chatter is what the Althouse commentariat does. Evidence is what serious people do. Do better.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

Yancey—If the odds are “so overwhelming,” they should be able to survive scrutiny without calling everyone who disagrees an idiot. Calling something “not complicated” doesn’t make it settled. When the evidence is largely circumstantial and the key data are incomplete, certainty is a political posture, not a scientific one. Declaring the odds “overwhelming” without being able to quantify them is less probability than confidence cosplay.

Original Mike said...

"Not one of you has presented factual evidence for what you’re alleging."

Bullshit. The furin cleavage site is powerful evidence for reasons that have repeatedly been explained to you. Kristian Andersen: "the furin cleavage site is very hard to explain.'" You, however, have advanced no evidence for the zoonotic explanation. You just keep prattling on that if an explicit confession is not produced, all explanations are equally likely. An assertion that no scientist would make.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

Quoting Andersen’s initial private skepticism while ignoring his later published analysis is an odd way to follow the evidence. Scientists are allowed to change their minds as they evaluate more data—that’s called science, not a plot twist. And no, saying the evidence is inconclusive is not the same as saying every explanation is equally likely. That’s a straw man doing some very heavy lifting. Do better.

My daughter is a CRNA (DNAP), my wife is an ER trauma surgeon, and they’re both here at the lake through Labor Day. I can report there’s been no shortage of laughter as we’ve read through these Fauci comment sections.

Original Mike said...

Oh, we're comparing credentials now?

Four decades as a working scientist; multiple, multimillion dollar NIH awards. No, not NIAID; I didn't know any of these guys personally; but I know the pressure of keeping your lab funded off soft money. I have sympathy for Andersen, et al's predicament.

And I'll say it again as long as we're sitting around the kitchen table laughing; science does not proceed by holding all hypotheses as equal until "proof" comes along.

Yancey Ward said...

Bich, in none of your 100 or so comments this week on this topic have you ever once acknowledged any actual evidence or offered a contradictory fact against what I have posted above- not a single one. You are just about the worst bad faith debater I have ever come across- you essentially no facts correct and you never ever admit to a mistake. You are either colossally stupid or astonishingly dishonest.

Bob Boyd said...

What makes me laugh is you waving your daughters' medical credentials as though they provide some kind of inoculation against Fauci's deceptions. I mean, wow, wake up.
The Covid pandemic is nothing if not the story of people with medical credentials falling for, even eagerly embracing, deceptions by people with medical credentials. I don't know your daughters obviously, but you're portraying them here as unthoughtful, uncurious and smug.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

That’s one way to tell the story. Another is that science corrected itself in public while conspiracy theories rarely corrected themselves at all. Medical credentials don’t make someone infallible, but evidence—not résumés—is why recommendations changed as better data emerged. The people claiming certainty in 2020 are the ones whose track records deserve the closest inspection.

Bob—our daughter spent the pandemic working in the ICU at Sanford in Bismarck. She told us, anecdotally, that many families refused to believe their loved one had COVID—even after they were intubated in the ICU and the attending physician had diagnosed them. It was heartbreaking, but it happened.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

Yancey: That’s an impressive amount of indignation for a comment that still doesn’t identify a single piece of evidence I’ve supposedly ignored. Repeating “the evidence is overwhelming” isn’t the same as presenting it, and declaring victory by counting comments isn’t how facts are established.

Science isn’t settled by volume, certainty, or insults. It’s settled by evidence that survives scrutiny. If your case is as strong as you claim, it shouldn’t need to lean so heavily on adjectives.

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