I'm reading "There’s Nothing Democratic About These Socialists," by Jonathan Chait, at The Atlantic.
July 2, 2026
"The DSA, in fact, seems to despise the Democratic Party. Darializa Avila Chevalier has called Joe Biden a 'rapist' and wrote 'Fuck Kamala Harris'..."
"... on social media. She proceeded to be nominated for a House race in New York last week by Democratic voters who presumably do not all share those feelings. The DSA now includes a growing caucus of supporters in Congress, has mayoral candidates well positioned to win in several big cities, and has plans to throw its weight behind a yet-to-be-determined presidential candidate in 2028. The DSA’s feelings about Democrats encompass not only the party’s leadership but also the philosophical commitments that have guided it since the New Deal: a mixed economy undergirded by democratic values. Chevalier, for instance, joined a post–October 7 celebratory rally and portrayed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as a defensive response to Western 'bullying.' She previously called for seizing land and the means of production and has repeatedly praised communism. These positions are not holdovers from the idealism of youth or a bygone 'woke' era. They are a by-product of the DSA’s core ideology. The DSA has become a force in Democratic Party politics even as it has grown more hostile to the party, more illiberal, and more dogmatic...."
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…and Democrats will vote for them anyways…
…and others. People who can’t get over Trump because he’s ‘weird’…
‘If you can keep it…’ very much in play.
They’re gonna rape Chait, gut and murder him feed his remains to the rats if he gets too whiney, Which is kinda funny
Yet corrupt corporate media like the Atlantic have given them such positive publicity over the years. What changed Jonny?
The left always and blindly "does what it takes" to win. Since forever.
Tags: Foxes guarding the henhouse; Wolves in sheep's clothing; Let the right one in
Well, when you go to bed with dogs, don't complain you have fleas.
The that whole David Burge bit about kill it gut it wear its skin and demand respect, I figured it would be the Democrats doing the gutting not being gutted…
…well boomer lefties, one last chance to do something constructive before you shed mortal coil though I suspect
most of you would rather shed…
Nice folks you got there.
Gutter stuff. Pass.
DSA chair Roamer said “We’re going to be talking about millions of hours knocking doors for 2028 — so when we decide to really run somebody, people have to feel like they had a say…we don’t do kingmakers” - if you’re whole ethos is controlling the means of production how democratic could your process be?
"There's Nothing Democratic About These Socialists”
The problem for the Democrats.isn’t that socialists aren’t being democratic. The problem for Democrats is that they themselves have become undemocratic and socialistic.
This is something of a mess. Tulsi Gabbard, in departing the Trump admin, claimed she had proof that the CIA built bioweapons labs along Russia’s border with Ukraine. She’s probably right. Putin’s invasion might well have been partly in response to these bioweapons labs, similar to the Wuhan bioweapons lab that set loose COVID.
The big cities are becoming further detached from reality, embracing policies that guarantee decline. NYC has already needed a state bailout; more will follow. Other left-wing cities will soon find themselves in the same position.
Here's a fun fact: cities are creations of the states they are located in and state governments have the authority to dissolve those city governments and take over or completely reform them.
Keep pounding the Commies with the question: “Where has Socialism worked?”
It appears Ro Khanna is trying to elbow his way into a leadership position with the DSA. Read all about Ro’s multi-multi-multi hundred million dollar stash, inherited from his father:
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/ro-me-the-money-how-progressive-class-warrior-ro-khanna-lives-like-the-oligarchs-he-fights-with-in-home-elevator-190k-range-rover-and-family-owned-golf-clubs/
Not only do people with such beliefs exist, they exist in sufficient numbers to send representatives to Congress. Scary stuff....It's a little known fact that the people at the back of the crowd when Jesus distributed the loaves and the fishes, felt that they were getting cod while the people up front were getting choice sushi. It was a potential riot situation, but Jesus quieted the crowd by passing out Ambien. Many in the crowd took extras and later sold the pills on the black market.
Chait had no idea he was a Menshevik.
There is nothing Democratic about Democrats anymore.
serious question:
WHY do black people vote for this?
or have the democrats decided they no longer need/want the black vote?
are Somalians the new blacks?
How Many Somalians ARE there, anyway?
if you add up all the Somalian votes/Trans votes/Commie votes..
does THAT give you a majority?
of course; as a famous democrat leader said:
It's NOT who votes that counts.. it's WHO COUNTS the votes
Every Republican candidate in every race needs to press their Democrat rival about the radicals. Press them to either denounce the DNC candidates or admit they agree with the extremists. Push them personally on their stance on the 80/20 issues.
But I was promised a Scandinavian paradise!
Be careful out there, Meade.
https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/2072377959827079634
In analyzing the DSA wins, we have to keep being distinctly aware that the Democratic voters do not know what we know. It's just like Covid. We knew about the Great Barrington Manifesto; they did not. We knew about Scott Atlas; they did not. We knew childrem were more endangered by not being educated that by possibly being exposed to a virus to which they were extremely resistant; the Democratic voters did not.
And so, just as with Covid, dangerous people come to power and dangerous policies will get enacted. And, just as with Covid, the Democratic voters will not know what is going on. The Jews are the canary in the coal mine, as usual. 33% of New York City Jewish voters, voted for Mamdani. Because they were antisemites like Tucker Carlson? No, because they were ignorant and convinced they knew. And they are the archtype of the ignorant Democratic anti-American voter. They don't know at all and they think they know better, And they aren't on a path to learn.
Again looking at the unfairly persecuted Jews, what do we see? If you read The Times of Israel which is a left paper, you'll find them insulting Netanyahu, insulting their own right, insulting the US right. But you won't find them even asking why 33% of the Jewish voters in NYC voted for antisemitism. Somehow the Jewish left, in America and Israel, is unable to cope with the left becoming openly anti-semitic. I don't really understand it myself but I know from reading the Times of Israel since October 8th, 2023 that those on the left in Israel on October 7, fought for Israel starting on October 7 and have so fought ever since but their thinking has not caught up with their their actions. They think ZionismBad as they enlist and fight for Israel. And the Jews in NYC think ZionismBad and vote for Mamdani as they get insulted on the streets and their politicians like Lander are used as Judas goats.
So the question is how to reach an ignorance so entrenched that, as in the case of the lefty Jews, it cannot acknowledge what the left has become,. But the wedge must center on the fact that among voters as opposed to among the nomenklatura, the rising new class, this is really an entrenched ignorance, not really an entrenched hatred of America in the case of Americans nor an entrenched hatred of Israel among Israeli Jews.
Things are not as they seem. The times. they are 'achanging.
First, they came for the communists. I wasn’t a communist so I said nothing. Then they came for the socialists. I wasn’t a socialist so I said nothing. Then it turned out that coming for the communists and socialists solved everyone's problems so when they got to me and asked me if I had anything to say about it, I said that “I’ll have a Coke”.
I thought the DSA had been very clear about this. They intend to run as Democrats to make use of the party infrastructure, align with Democrats on issues that are consistent with their objectives, and the replace the Democrats when their numbers are sufficient to do so. They consider themselves separate and not yet equal. Theirs is the strategy of conquest from within. They'll abide by the rules only as long as they need to, and then eventually force what remains of the party to abide by theirs. Sounds a lot like the religion of Peace, not so?
Oh heavens, she wasn't upset enough at Putin and didn't cry a river of tears over "poor little Ukraine". Well, that is horrible.
Funny how the MSM writers dont really care about economic issues, just social liberalism and war abroad. No wonder they loved Joe LIeberman and John McCain.
Neocon outlet, The Atlantic, denounces anti-neocon candidates. Film at eleven. Even NPR's coverage of world events is freighted with neocon propaganda. The Atlantic's correspondents appearing regularly to explain why these people we are fighting are actually terrible people, people we need to kill, subhuman even, and not because they are sitting on real-estate that we want, or huge lakes of oil, that's just an amazing coincidence.
In a way the R and D's are similar. The R's promise their base social conservatism and immigration restriction and give them tax cuts and wars in the Middle east. The D's promise their base economic help for the little man and give them racial quotas and wars in the Middle East.
The DSA support is just the voters turning to someone, anyone, who will do something about income inequality and economic hard times for the working class.
I'll give SOME leftists credit. They actually are against Israel's genocide in Gaza and useless foreign wars. They will elect pols who wont bow down to Israel and AIPAC. The Republicans toss out anyone who doesn't love Israel with all their heart and soul.
Almost all "Christian" Zionists are Republicans. Tucker is trying to change that, but he's up against Fox News and the whole Neo-con crowd.
This has the tone and desperation of anti-MAGA appeals. I suspect it will have as much success.
We're going to get stark choices at the ballot box and they're going to give them to us good and hard.
And then there’s vermin like Wisconsin’s Teha Delaruelle. ☠️
In the UK, the Labour Party supports free trade, which suppresses wages and reduces the bargaining power of workers. How did that happen? Their party was hijacked by globalists. The Green Party is rabidly pro-war, and the Tories support surrendering British sovereignty to the EU. Its almost as if whomever you vote for, you get a globalist.
Maybe Democrat rank and file are sick of this "heads I win, tails you lose" democracy.
“33% of New York City Jewish voters, voted for Mamdani. Because they were antisemites like Tucker Carlson? No, because they were ignorant and convinced they knew.”
I don’t think anyone was ignorant in this instance.
If they despise the Democrat Party, maybe they're not all bad. Just that they're even worse.
Since I went thru this myself, as a wet behind the ears kid new to NYC from a Midwestern college campus, I’ll speculate that this is what is happening. Another generation of kids migrated from the Styx to NYC expecting instant careers and wealth as promised to them by their school system indoctrination: “Just do as we told you and you’ll be successful. It’s practically owed to you.” They discover, upon alighting in NYC, that their liberal arts indoctrination doesn’t guarantee them a job or an income substantial enough to afford life in Manhattan. They feel cheated and lied to. (But it takes a long time for them to realize that it was the school systems that lied to them.) Most of us naive kids learned remunerative job skills and grew out of this indoctrination. Some don’t.
Bolsheviks despised the Mensheviks, too.
The waning Woodstock hippie Democrats running the party since around Bill won the White House are discovering the reality of socialism. The Purge is coming
"The worst thing that can happen to a socialist is to have his country ruled by socialists who are not his friends."
--Ludwig von Mises
The Dems have built a political coalition based on an unlimited desire for more equality without regard to the likely losses of freedom and prosperity. The unlimited nature of their quest deprived them of guardrails. So they have no mechanism to tell the DSA to rein it in. All they can say is that they agree with the destination of DSA politics, but they think the DSA is operating at an imprudent speed. They have no principled opposition. They merely disagree on tactics.
The children have been taught all about the evil of capitalism and nothing about the 100 million plus murdered by socialism. Greed, envy, corruption, and cruelty are the unstated tools of socialism.
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...
But I was promised a Scandinavian paradise!
But then people like Walz, Ellison, and Omar took over.
The modern left have build a hate-machine. Hate and rage injected like a forced jab from top dem leaders, BS NOW, npr, NYT, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Nightly Kimmel, The View ...
weaponized hate. Trickle down lies, that build obedient hive hate structures.
Bernie the commie is their leader, but the entire top tier democrats and media created the hate-fueled/ fire-bomb / assassination culture radical left.
-Open borders.
-millions of illegals given free tax payer stuff while American citizens suffer.
-tax the rich schemes that will only bankrupt us further
-Defund the Police and ICE
-Rage fueled Soros money pours into rage fueled anti-ICE groups.
DSA stands for Demokratische Sturmabteilung
Capitalism is dog-eat-dog. Socialism is the other way around.
Question; if you have a big tent, why do you have to let everyone in?
The modern left have build a hate-machine.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate.
“People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate.“
1. Having a functioning border isn’t based on hate.
2. Time to fix your Democrat Party. Clean out your own mess of a house before you start judging others.
“The modern left have build a hate-machine.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate.”
A foolish argument from both sides. Hate is a normal, inextinguishable human emotion. Next to jealousy, probably the most dominant of human emotions. It isn’t a characteristic isolated to one political faction. You might as well argue that people shouldn’t poop.
“A foolish argument from both sides. Hate is a normal, inextinguishable human emotion.”
Sorry, I disagree. While hate may be whatever it is you called it, it doesn’t belong in politics. Unaliving your opponents doesn’t belong in politics.
The democratic/dictatorial duality is Pro-Choice, two-faced.
What a drag.
#HateLovesAbortion
Capitalism is an economic system of dynamic production, consumption, and retained earnings.
MAGA cope on display here today.
Their influence is real in specific cities/primaries. Success often depends on low-turnout local races and progressive discontent rather than broad appeal. The underlying lesson is that people are tired of status quo and want leaders that work for them, listen to their problems and can produce results. Party labels have stopped being very meaningful.
Border control, enforcing laws, deporting illegals, fiscal responsibility, political accountability, appreciation of our shared history... these things aren't hateful.
Rioting over DOGE, mobbing up and attacking immigration enforcement, assassinating political opponents, outright anti-American incitement, etc. Those things are hateful.
There is no comparison between the two parties.
Jonathon Chait wrote a column screaming out permission for everyone to hate George W Bush. The same Bush who just yucked it up with Barry at the Obamanation dedication. Hatred will always be part of the commie Left playbook because simple envy and dishonesty are simply too weak to motivate their street fighters.
Losers like Freder have to infer “hatred” in Trump’s policies because of course Trump doesn’t hate democrats he mocks them, which hurts them more. They so WANT to be hated by Trump and Republicans but I’m not emotionally unstable enough to hate someone over politics. And that’s another reason to mock Freder’s side and his feeble rhetoric.
“Unaliving your opponents doesn’t belong in politics.”
Maybe on a moral level, you’re right, but it seems to have been a very dominant, effective political tactic for thousands of years, certainly since Julius Caesar, and long before. It was certainly an effective method of silencing Charlie Kirk.
"Party labels have stopped being very meaningful."
Ding ding ding! Though... not the point I think IEE was trying to make. The point is that the DSA is wearing the skin suit and demanding respect, and more ordinary, less radical Democrats are realizing that the party label "Democrat" is tying them to the out-and-proud commies, willy-nilly, with (potentially) electoral results. The more ordinary, less radical Democrats are poised to lose control of what their party label means, as well as of political power.
The questions are, do *enough* of them realize it, and will they do anything about it? If neonazis were making a play to take over the Republican party - well, the thing is, that doesn't happen, because when neonazis try to assume the mantle of "conservative" or "Republican," the American right repudiates them, every time. Democrats take grinning handshake pictures with their far-left wing, in hopes of absorbing their small contingent of voters into the party* - but in this instance, it seems to be working in reverse.
* Which implies that the party at large doesn't have a problem with what their far-left wing wants. Whereas Republicans do not recognize neonazis as "their far-right wing" at all - they curse them to wander in the desolate wilderness.
“Maybe on a moral level, you’re right, but it seems to have been a very dominant, effective political tactic for thousands of years.”
By definition politics does not include assassination.
By definition politics does not include assassination.
Von Clausewitz said war is diplomacy by other means. Can we not consider assassination to be politics by other means?
Assassins play a dangerous game, though. When one side uses it against the other without suffering retaliation, it is usually because the other side has a more powerful and prosperous position with more to lose from a civil war, and not because of any inherent moral code or constitutional predisposition against violence. When that changes, the side that initiated violence promptly finds itself on the wrong end of the knife or gun, and is soon wiped out, as Robespierre and Marat discovered. The assassins of Julius Caesar were pretty thoroughly routed by Antony and then Octavian in the subsequent civil war, and their Republic was replaced by an Empire that lasted for a millennium and a half, if you count the Byzantines. What is left of the Borgias, or Haschischins, or the likes of John Wilkes Booth?
If the Left keeps pressing this issue to the point of generalized anarchy, they will be exterminated to the last man. We don't have a billion firearms in this country only for hunting.
Democrats were soft on communism, but this new breed seems to have a hard-on for communism.
But where do you draw the line? Karen Bass went on from Fidelismo to a long career in Democrat politics. Democrats went from celebrating Sandinismo to serving China.
National Socialists (Nazis) were and are a left-wing ideological progression armed with a liberal license.
Freder Frederson said...
The modern left have build a hate-machine.
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate."
What are those? Please elaborate.
Both parties have an Establishment or managerial side and a populist or insurgent side. Chait is an Establishment Democrat and doesn't understand that most people on both sides have lost patience with the Establishment.
Lyndon Johnson gave Democrats what they wanted, but he came to face massive opposition from his own party. It's no surprise that ineffective, hapless Joe Biden isn't popular with younger, lefter Democrats. Ineffective, hapless Jimmy Carter also faced opposition from disaffected Democrats.
"There's Nothing Democratic About These Socialists”
Every country that ever had “Democratic” or “Socialist” in its name was an impoverished totalitarian shithole. But this time will be different!
Smilin' Jack said...
"There's Nothing Democratic About These Socialists”
"Every country that ever had “Democratic” or “Socialist” in its name was an impoverished totalitarian shithole. But this time will be different!"
You can add "People's" to that list. If your country has "People's" in its name, the only people who benefit are Party Leaders & Apparatchiks.
Oh my goodness! After spoon feeding the commies and other miscreants, Islamists, illegals, trannies, etc., Democrat elites are starting to learn that they are who they have been all along. So: “Shut up, you silly woman… You knew I was a snake before you took me in.” Al Wilson, “The Snake.”
“Von Clausewitz said war is diplomacy by other means. Can we not consider assassination to be politics by other means?”
Yeah, we can. We can consider love to be politics by other means, theft to be politics by other means. We can do all that but then words don’t mean anything. (Von Clausetc. gets a pass because he was, in AdamsSpeak, reframing the issue.)
Next item on the human agenda: guns v drones
“Darializa Avila Chevalier has called Joe Biden a 'rapist’ “
According to Tara Reade, he was.
"MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate."
Just a reminder- the people sporting "Hate has no home here" signs in their yards are the ones who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. The left is in no position to lecture anyone on hate.
These young democratic-socialist-radical-kiddies went to Vienna on a college break and think America should be just like Red Vienna. You need Austrians to have Vienna, however, not the Blue State multi-cultural recently-arriving migrants-DEI-AWFL-woke stew of NYC or LA or SF or Portland or Denver or Chicago.
DSA is gonna kill the Dem party, and they are helpless to stop it. That's really too bad.
Democrats have been moving left for over a decade. One could turn Chait's argument around and argue that the leftists are seeing through and making short work of posers like Dan Goldman. Between an Establishment figure playing a leftist role and a convinced leftist, leftists will choose the real leftist.
Both sides in the Middle East put out so much propaganda that one can't attribute disagreements to ignorance. Both sides have their blind spots. Boomers have a lot to learn about the region, just like young folks.
Good news for Republicans, at least in the short run. I worry about what might happen when the federal government is finally forced to get its fiscal house in order.
It's hilarious watching the left attempt to disassociate themselves from the monster they created.
I notice they're not trying very hard to disassociate themselves from the monstrous policies they support. Well- aside from trying to keep people from talking about them, anyway.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. MAGA grievances are based entirely on hate.
The person whose politics align with those murdering - and attempting to murder - Republicans is lecturing us about hate.
To be fair- who better to lecture about hate than those who live it?
NYC is the sticks. Every place is provincial. 8,000,000 hicks in NYC compared to 800 in Mayberry.
So, that's a no then, eh, Freder.
Running away when asked to explain yourself seems to be your model.
DSA is the new gender pronoun issue that's gonna fire up the Democrats base to sweep the House and Senate.
They can controle their entire national nomination system, but not DSA, Islamist pigs, and commies taking over. Be afraid. Where's the John Birch Society when we need them? They need to learn, finally, how to actually grassroots organize. And as I've said times before, they desegregated long before the Dems and Republicans, as well as fringe groups. Bill Buckley destroyed them. He's the Teddy Kennedy of the Right.
Or he was.
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