No, I wasn't watching. That game started at my bedtime — 9 p.m.
I just noticed that there's a team now that's just named the Athletics — no city/state in the name. Just the mascot... and it's the most generic mascot. The Athletics. And they played in Las Vegas last night — "at the site of their Triple-A affiliate, the Las Vegas Aviators." They seem homeless. They're not in Oakland anymore, and their normal home these days is West Sacramento, but not enough of a home to become part of its name. Playing a few games in Las Vegas this week has something to do with Las Vegas being its future home. A new stadium will open in 2028.
But maybe you watched basketball last night. I'd rather watch a random baseball game than an important basketball game, but I did pause the movie I was watching and go downstairs to hear the National Anthem and catch a glimpse of Trump. The NYT says "Mr. Trump smiled and saluted in the face of deafening boos when he briefly appeared on the arena’s video board...." I went back to my movie — "A Complete Unknown," now, finally, on HBO — but I did look up the result this morning. I see Trump ruined everything:
Ooh, that Trump. The Knicks lost. Meanwhile, Bob Dylan won. That's what Joan Baez says to him at the end of the biopic: "You won." He's all "What did I win?" and then he rides off into the sunset on his motorcycle.
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How bout those Minnesota Lynx?
Get a real sport, lady...
Trump has powers -- for both good and evil -- that never cease to amaze.
The Brewers game was whack. Each team scored 4 runs in the 10th.
That was the most fun ghost runner game I’ve ever seen.
How much more emigration do Democrats need to see before they realize they have a major problem? Is this what it looks like when a major political party dies?
Running against Trump seems like a poor strategy since he isn’t running for anything bit what do I know…
What motorcycle was Dylan riding?
Triumph T100
I asked the internet but did not get a ready answer to the question "What percentage of professional baseball players are married with children?"
The insanity of California taxes makes it that much more difficult to sign players and field a competitive team. So with good front office staff a big market like the Dodgers can absorb the tax hits but an Oakland with stingy owners it makes more sense to move. Why the move didn’t happen long ago is a mystery to me…
I think most people don’t want anything to with Sacramento, which is only marginally better than Oakland.
Yeah, Knicks lost. Trump reminding us MSG was the home of various Nazi rallies before Taylor gets married there.
So, Ann, what did you think of the Dylan movie?
My son texted last night that the rendition of the National Anthem at the Knicks game was the best he'd ever heard. I haven't gone looking for it yet.
Tsk, tsk.... they are not the Homeless Athletics ... they are the Athletics Experiencing Homelessness
That headline reminds us that, as bad as Trump is, he's still preferable to the news media that covers him.
Bob set rock and roll free according to the script. Those fascist folkies tried to tell him what kind of guitars he could or could not use to perform. Bob was a freedom fighter for rockers and a living patron saint of “I’ll play it how I damn well please!”
Jamie said...
My son texted last night that the rendition of the National Anthem at the Knicks game was the best he'd ever heard. I haven't gone looking for it yet.
That honor will always, and forever, belong to Whitney Houston.
https://youtu.be/uAYKTMQl7MQ?si=3J40l1UXZu-Iz6DA&t=71
I'm imagining you sitting on your couch, goosebumps rising on your arms as Joan Baez (!) is there on the screen with Bob Dylan...who's about to win everything. And then...as if he's some sort of James Dean/Steve McQueen clone, rides off into the sunset on his motorcycle.
You, sitting speechless, a glaze over your eyes, goosebumps running amok on your arms. Meade, looking at you with a sarcastic grin about to say something to bring you back down to earth, but holding back, thinking...I'd better not. She'll never forgive, nor forget.
Oh yeah. Trump.
He's Trump. He can do what he wants. Let the fans whine.
No- I don't think he should have gone. I do think the fans in New York should have been allowed to have their first watch party in decades. He did not need to be present. Sometimes Presidents have to forgo some freedoms in their life. Most of the time, in fact.
But...Trump is Trump. I like him in that office. But he is who he is.
There’s a connection here since as Knick fans would know Timothy Chalomet is a regular courtside fan at all games including last night.
If that Whitney Houston rendition is the one I'm thinking of, I myself am not a big fan... She was a super-talented singer, and I love her other work, but I prefer the National Anthem with very limited embellishment. My preference is when the performer(s) keep the focus on the anthem and it doesn't shift their own performance. (I feel the same about hymns - I love a good descant, but not when it's just a showcase for the sopranos. Although back when I had the high notes, I was more inclined to enjoy those showcases...)
Anyway, my son's having been raised by me, I'm curious to hear whether this rendition follows my preferences or others'! This household should be awake soon so I can listen.
Last night I also watched a Timothe Chalamet performance in which he repeatedly leapt out of his seat like a giant spastic carrot. He appeared to be having a good time until the home team lost. At least he provided some contrast to the eternally worried expression of the suddenly gray Ben Stiller.
Just watched the A’s/Cubs series A’s are surprisingly good, with quite a few promising young player. Nick Kurtz especially. He’s going to be a major star slugger. Huge kid.
The unhoused A’s formerly of Oakland are just another victim of Needom’s mismanagement of the Golden State to the point any team that can has fled from him. He drove the 49ers out of San Francisco but friendly billionaires kept them close. The A’s had no friends left.
"rehajm said...
The insanity of California taxes makes it that much more difficult to sign players and field a competitive team. So with good front office staff a big market like the Dodgers can absorb the tax hits but an Oakland with stingy owners it makes more sense to move. Why the move didn’t happen long ago is a mystery to me…"
Not sure what you are talking about. The Dodgers don't cover taxes for the players. Do you mean they overpay to compensate for the high tax burdens? Not really. The overpay to get players to play for them. And they can do that because they have the highest TV revenue in MLB, by far. The Yankees are $130 million/year behind them. In any event the tax difference isn't as bad as you think. Players pay taxes to the state that the game is in. So Dodger players pay CA taxes for home games, and away games versus the Giants, Padres, and Angels. When they play the Brewers in Milwaukee they pay Wisconsin taxes.
The worst is for the Blue Jay players.
When the choices are New York or Texas, play the odds and choose Texas.
Wow that’s a new and odd “correction” for writing “Newsom.” WTF iPhone?
The Athletics are quickly becoming the real-life Greendale Human Beings from Community:
"The Greendale Human Being is the school mascot designed and created by Dean Pelton and Pierce Hawthorne. Dean Pelton wanted to create a new mascot for Greendale as he felt the old mascot, a Grizzly bear, was not politically correct enough. Pierce volunteers to help him, and they both set out to design the least offensive mascot possible. What they came up with was a mascot in a tight fitting grey unitard with the Greendale logo on its chest. It was wearing a faceless mask that had crudely drawn eyes and mouth. The mask itself was tight as well and did not allow the person wearing it to see or breathe well.
https://community-sitcom.fandom.com/wiki/Greendale_Human_Being
Here's the Greendale Human Being in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfVHstArQ0
That was an entertaining basketball game, the refs “let them play”, IOW, beat the “S” out of each other. And San Antonio won.
And I don’t live in Sacramento, but can advise that it is head and shoulders better than Oakland. Nothing marginal about it.
Ooh that Trump!
The Republican party for the last 30 years.
Yes Trump is in the video.
In general, I am not a fan of "pop" style anthem renditions. Give me a good military band with an excellent singer any day, and leave off the flotsam-and-jetsam furbelows and embellishments. I mean, I'll still stop and stand whenever I hear it (even in the privacy of my home), but modern-day versions--longtime the norm now--just aren't my cup of tea.
I do like Whitney Houston in general, but she did have intonation issues, and for whatever obscure reasons (meaning, I don't know myself), this irritates me more when it comes to renditions of the anthem. Just a personal quirk, not something I get too het up about. Unless it's really egregious! And, please, NO autotune, ever, on historical musical pieces.
Regards,
Lori (reader_iam)
"Shouting Thomas said...
Just watched the A’s/Cubs series A’s are surprisingly good, with quite a few promising young player. Nick Kurtz especially. He’s going to be a major star slugger. Huge kid. " Yeah, he's already a star. Unfortunate name though.
You don’t know what I’m talking about so let me economist-splain it for you: teams bear the economic burden of high tax locales when players contracts are negotiated. Player agents model compensation packages based on where their players are playing. There are spreadsheets and models that factor based on estimates of how many days players may work where- I’ve seen them. Even contingencies for playoffs. Owners, players, everyone factors state and local tax in their calculations. Players have rejected offers because of taxes. Do some homework…
Wow that’s a new and odd “correction” for writing “Newsom.”
AI is getting better at identifying the reality of politicians. He is a very needy fellow.
…even the players signing with Texas or California or Vegas factor in the tax burden of having to travel to divisional opponents come contract time…
Ok, so the anthem singer was Avery Wilson, a Broadway guy apparently, and he was great - but more in the Whitney Houston vein. I see why my son thought it was extraordinary.
That was a great biopic. The only actor that didn't fit the role in my opinion was the guy who played Johnny Cash. I guess Joaquin Phoenix is too old to replay him. Edward Norton was perfectly smug as Pete Seeger. Joe, Bob says check it out.
From the BBC: "Many fans weren't able to afford tickets to the first series home game, with the cheapest online resale tickets going for more than $10,000 and going up to more than $100,000."
So, he was being booed by wealthy New York Democrats.
The Bay area easily supported 2 BB and 2 football teams for years. But changing demographics, aka replacement of whites by foreigners, meant it no longer can.
Yeah that $10K figure was all over fake news yesterday. Then at game time MSG provided the stats: the average ticket price was about $4700. Do the math. You can’t reach that number if the “lowest price” is $10K.
The NBA has been boring this season, and the Knicks have been a good solid team. Spurs? Another good solid team. No charismatic superstars on either team. No sizzle.
Its gotten buzz because its New Yawk in the finals. But in terms of players its more Baltimore vs. Seattle than Celtics v. Lakers.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Yeah that $10K figure was all over fake news yesterday. Then at game time MSG provided the stats: the average ticket price was about $4700. Do the math. You can’t reach that number if the “lowest price” is $10K.
You don't understand how any of this works.
Back to the Learing center with you.
RCOCEAN II said...
The NBA has been boring this season, and the Knicks have been a good solid team. Spurs? Another good solid team. No charismatic superstars on either team. No sizzle.
The league replaced Jordan and Bird with James and Durant.
Jordan and Bird were warriors.
James and Durant are plantation owners.
Shouldn’t the A’s mascot be an athletic supporter named Jock Strap?
I gather there’s a partisan history behind why Stomper the elephant was replaced for a time with a donkey as the A’s mascot.
i see we're back on "Trump sleeps too much" ..
so, do we switch every other day? or is the
Trump doesn't sleep enough/Trump sleeps too much
rotation more complicated than that?
They were originally the Philadelphia Athletics, founded in 1901. Athletic clubs existed all over post-Civil War America, but chiefly east of the Mississippi and north of the Potomac. Typically, these organizations were styled "Your City Name Here Athletics or Athletic Union or Athletic Society" They were informal, membership owned, and often composed of Union Army veterans. They played team sports, often cricket and individual sports like boxing and foot races. Because of the costs of travel the team sports were played between squads belonging to the same club. A cricket match between two different clubs from two different towns was a rarity, because of the travel and lodging expense and the fact that cricket matches can extend over many days -- this inconvenience led to the increased popularity of a heretofore despised boys game, sometimes known as rounders, that was eventually to be codified as baseball.
When people showed their willingness to pay to watch these cricketeers and baseballers, that fact launched team sports as a entrepreneurial enterprise as opposed to a social event.
You type in Trump nba finals into google and you get 15 "Top stories" and "What people are saying" videos all of which headline that Trump was booed or fell asleep. The only ones that are different? Fox - "Whoopi defends Trump attending Knick game". And, ESPN "Trump becomes first POTUS to attend NBA finals".
An NBC youtube by Seth Meyers on Trump's attendence is subtitled
"Seth addresses fans for Game 3 of the NBA Finals and more in his monologue for Monday, June 8, before taking a closer look at Trump inserting himself into the NBA Finals the day after throwing a tantrum on Meet the Press."
Yes, "Throwing a tantrum". Thats why Trump should never go on NBC MTP again.
"Bob set rock and roll free according to the script. Those fascist folkies tried to tell him what kind of guitars he could or could not use to perform. Bob was a freedom fighter for rockers and a living patron saint of “I’ll play it how I damn well please!”"
But Pete Seeger's side of the argument was well developed and also compelling. Giving Seeger a fair hearing was a great choice, and I loved Edward Norton in the role. When he was trying to describe what he wanted in terms of teaspoons and a seesaw, it was really something.
My favorite things in the movie were Al Kooper starting to play the organ and the still life of Dylan's table strewn with scraps of paper.
I never felt that Chalamet was Dylan, never suspended disbelief. I just couldn't. But great job singing like Dylan!
rehajm said...
Triumph T100
Thanks!
Most ridiculous thing in the movie: The endless scene with Bob and Joan in their underpants. We're supposed to fathom the importance of "Blowin' in the Wind" while Joan wanders about the apartment musing aloud and we're directed to gaze at her ass. I found myself wishing for one of those old Mad Magazine parodies... replete with fart jokes.
Speaking of wind.
Thanks to Ann for the magnificent Paul Simon song. I saw his Quiet Concert, themed because he had lost his hearing from the decades of loud music. First the new “Seven Psalms”, then the greatest hits. The old drummer on tour laid down the basis that made 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover sublime. Later, he had to stop the tour because his hearing gave way again.
Per Twitter courtside lineup at Madison Square Garden last night:
Rahm Emanuel, Mark Shapiro, Larry David, Ari Emanuel and Robert Kraft. And that’s not even counting Ben Stiller and Timothée.
Thought Larry David was in LA now, but I guess he flies back and forth.
Lots of rich people. At a BB game.
So easy, he can do it in his sleep.
My favorite memory of the A’s is when I heckeled Reggie Jackson and got a big smile from him at Fenway Park when I was nine.
The Oakland Coliseum was the worst ballpark I watched a game in. There was a huge amount of foul territory.
The Oakland A's have been comparatively run on a shoestring since Charlie Finley moved them there from Kansas City in 1967.
Finley was bigly into mules (the team mascot was a mule named Charlie O., as I recall) from his Kansas City days, bizarrely believing they were a gate attraction. Finley was unsurprisingly unpopular with the other team owners in baseball for this and other reasons.
My favorite part of the NBA thing was one of the staff explaining to some commentators that, yes, Trump is indeed a lifelong fan, and has attended many games. They were in disbelief, and had to be shown pictures.
Per Google AI -
"Joan Baez and Bob Dylan were lovers. Their intense and highly publicized romance lasted from 1962 to 1965. Baez, already a folk superstar, championed Dylan's raw talent early in his career and introduced him to a wider audience, but the relationship grew strained and eventually ended as Dylan's fame skyrocketet"
I guess Dylan got tired of lookin at that ass.
I love rock anecdotes but had never heard that Al Kooper’s first time playing organ was after the tape started rolling for “Like a Rolling Stone.” It was a cool scene and well done. Something I read when the movie was first out explained that moment.
My dad went to high school with Joan Baez (Redlands High School class of 1957, Redlands, CA).
Trump has always been a big sports fan. I can remember him trying to start up a Football league to compete with the NFL when he couldn't buy a NFL team.
The Media-Hollywood-Sports industry is never going to say one Goddamn good word about Trump, no matter what he does. Remember they tried to jail him, debank him, and silence him after he left the Presidency. Unheard of in USA History.
"I guess Dylan got tired of lookin at that ass."
The actor who played Baez was better looking than Baez.
RE: Trump The Ruiner -- there is footage of the crowd chanting USA! USA! as he is shown but maybe Fox News faked that.
I have a TDS suffering friend who was complaining a few weeks ago about Trump attending sports events. Apparently this ruins the game for him, even though he is several states away and watching it on TV. I think this says a lot more about him than it does Trump.
Althouse writes: "But Pete Seeger's side of the argument was well developed and also compelling. Giving Seeger a fair hearing was a great choice, and I loved Edward Norton in the role."
I remember my mother criticizing Bob Dylan for not only his voice, but his look, when looking at the cover of “Nashville Skyline” album and the song “Lay, Lady, Lay” was playing. And, I replied that Dylan was a much needed change in society, someone who was not classically in style, and who had a “working man’s” voice. He wasn’t trying to get the women’s to swoon over him, like Frank Sinatra. Although many women did, but mostly for how Dylan lived his life, and how his music affected them, not his looks or clothes
Dylan was a needed person to change the world of the 1950 into what the 60s became. And a great part of the change, for Dylan, was to upset the paradigms like music, voice, and style. And he was amazingly successful in that.
An NBA championship game in deep blue Madison Square Garden might seem like a strange place to meet Trump supporters. But over the chants of "Go NY Go" you can hear whispers that DEI is the reason that nosebleed seats cost $7000.
The Knicks lost last night after Donald Trump attended the game. So why does it feel like Joe Biden is the one who jinxed them?
Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg was at the game and had courtside seats. Jose Alvarado fell into him going for a loose ball and a drink went everywhere. Bloomberg was fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqx3ploJ27c
Last August I was having car trouble and it triggered a lot of car trouble-related dreams. In the only one that stuck around long enough for me to transcribe it, I was in the waiting room of the auto repair shop, where my car was getting an oil change. Bob Dylan and Timothée Chalamet sat down across from me. Bob said the battery light on his dashboard kept coming on. What did I suppose it was? I say probably his alternator was shot and needs to be replaced. Bob nods and asks what do I think they’ll charge. I open my mouth to answer but before I can, he holds up his hand and asks Timothée to translate his question into French for my benefit, even though we are in New Jersey and I do not speak French. When I protest, Dylan insists, “No, no, don’t worry, he’s FLUENT, he’s been speakin’ it since he was a leettle keed.” Chalamet looks puzzled but translates Dylan’s question. I answer in English. Dylan looks expectantly at Chalamet, who repeats my answer (in English) to Dylan. Dylan nods and says to me, “Merci.
The game was rigged. The Spurs cheated. I have no evidence but they did it at such a diabolical level it’s hard to tell. They’re so good at cheating.
"I know it. You know it. Everyone in this room knows it."
We all know instinctively ~ MAGA
“Bootleg: Highway 61 Redacted”.
https://vimeo.com/1150562495
A whimsical, absurdist retelling of Bob Dylan after the motorcycle crash.
I’m just gonna say it: I think “my” Dylan captures Jokerman’s spirit more than Timmy Chamomile.
I am Laslo.
"...caught dozing through the Knicks game he ruined."
No. Trump-hate ruined it. More dishonest reporting.
"...caught dozing through the Knicks game he ruined."
No. Trump-hate ruined it. More dishonest reporting.
homers... insert 11 beer drinking homers.
Thank you angel Trump - for defeating the evil ones.
Hands down that big young Wemby guy is my new favorite player. Great game and a face made to smile.
"The Oakland Coliseum was the worst ballpark I watched a game in."
Ha! I watched the Kansas City A's in their down town ballpark.
As Bette Davis said after a game, "What a dump".
And if Trump's attendance "ruins" a game for you, may he spend all his post POTUS years going to games of teams you loves. I don't know why people indulge in self torture, but you do you.
my second fav baseball team = The A's.
A family member got me to like them. they are good.
Trump hate is an actual mental disorder.
You know what was common about the NBA game and the MLB game; everyone that participated in the game had to be there that day to participate and all of them had to show ID to get in.
"Jose Alvarado fell into him going for a loose ball and a drink went everywhere. Bloomberg was fine."
That's suprising. Bloomberg is about 5-2 and 100 years old.
Bob Dylan never had a "Working class" voice. LOL.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
The game was rigged. The Spurs cheated. I have no evidence but they did it at such a diabolical level it’s hard to tell. They’re so good at cheating.
A game can be rigged with or without one of the teams cheating. A referee can throw a game. Ask Caitlin Clark.
“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”
― Joseph Stalin
It took me more than 4 sittings to get through the Bob Dylan movie. Needed smaller portions than 30 minutes.
Althouse:
If I may ask, why is better for you to watch in shorter chunks? Is that the case just for this, or is this a more general thing. I'm just curious. I find it fascinating when you contemplate your own mind.
Regards,
Lori (reader_iam)
“ It took me more than 4 sittings to get through the Bob Dylan movie. Needed smaller portions than 30 minutes.”
ADHD?
Trump is 79? Who knew? We owe a debt to the leftmedia for monitoring this aged POTUS. No doubt carrying on from the fine job they did reporting on Joe’s dementia. /s
Indefinitely Extended Exhaustion
"It took me more than 4 sittings to get through the Bob Dylan movie. Needed smaller portions than 30 minutes."
Saw it with my son at the theater. I liked it, but it's not one of the best biopics.
The endless scene with Bob and Joan in their underpants
…back when I used to care about movies I knew a lot about this: so, ‘adult’ movies were supposed to have R ratings, and kids got the G and PG. There was not yet the PG-13 which became the teen R movie. Anyways…there was this list of content that would award an R but if your movie lacked sufficient gory violence or naked sex the short cut to an immediate R was anal cleft, which could be out there the thong way or if thongs weren’t period costume it could be shown discreetly through sheer knickers. Either way twas the way to get the R out of the way right away…
Speed from the 90s, an R rating but not no wats enough happening to award the R, except for one, ah…brief moment of anal cleft. If you blinked you missed it…
Let's hope Trump attends all the Knicks' games in the final and they lose. That would make me laugh and laugh and laugh.....
At my first tech job after I dropped out of Berkeley, there was a salesman who had been a custom furniture maker. He showed me an amazing portfolio of a suite he had made for Baez, probably about 1975 or so. Really beautiful stuff, but heavy. Carved from big pieces and some glue-ups. Very different from the light Swedish Modern my father built when he was not busy not crashing airplanes.
What struck me about the Dylan movie (which I watched a while ago for $4 on Amazon Prime) was that the basic plot device is that Bob playing an electric guitar was both a betrayal of all that was right and good to the earnest folkies, and an inspired act of rebellious freedom. Absurd, I thought. Nobody behaves like that in real life. It's just a guitar.
Yet absolutely true.
No wonder these musical genres all sound like they are playing the same song over and over again. Music fans are exceedingly conservative.
My early musical preference was Peter, Paul, and Mary, Dylan, and Pete Seeger. Knew nothing about the Newport 65 until much later and just went into listening to Subterranean Homesick Blues.
When I fell asleep at the Garden, the Knicks were Winning. Then when I wake up, I see the Spurs have "won." It seems that in the 4th Quarter, the so-called referees kept "finding" points for the Spurs. Rigged! Fake Game! ~ Donald J. Trump
The Knicks can still win if Mike Pence has the courage.
"If I may ask, why is better for you to watch in shorter chunks? Is that the case just for this, or is this a more general thing. I'm just curious. I find it fascinating when you contemplate your own mind."
I turn it off when I'm in danger of thinking too much about when it's going to be over. I don't accept feeling trapped. It's not homework that's do. I also overlap — instant replay — and like to rewatch from the beginning as soon as it's over. I want to pay attention to the details and not to the plot. I feel the same way about a novel, and of course, you never feel that you've got to read a novel straight through in one sitting.
Why was he just informed of this? Didn't they try to wake him at the game last night?
I do not think he was just informed of this. The downed helicopter was known for several hours. IMO, he's grasping onto something because of the Iranians' hardline stance that renders as a complete fabrication all his happy talk about an imminent deal.
I have just been informed by our Great Military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache Helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved, both are safe and uninjured. Nevertheless, the United States must, of necessity, respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump
"What struck me about the Dylan movie... was that the basic plot device is that Bob playing an electric guitar was both a betrayal of all that was right and good to the earnest folkies, and an inspired act of rebellious freedom. Absurd, I thought. Nobody behaves like that in real life. It's just a guitar.
Yet absolutely true."
I think it was more about people using people and being used. Bob swept onto a pre-existing folk scene and absorbed everything, used the avenues he found there. He simultaneously saw rock and roll and figured out how to use that. He played at the Newport Folk Festival, bringing his rock musicians, even though he knew that Pete Seeger, who ran the thing, didn't want Dylan the rock star to change the folky feeling and cooperative political meaning.
His girlfriend "Sylvie" told him he shouldn't let Joan Baez "steal" his big song ("Blowin' in the Wind") from him but he calculated that her fame would leverage him and he was right. He used Joan when she thought she was using him, and he won, as she tells him explicitly in the end.
That's how I read the movie, but I would watch it again and look for the details.
By the way, on the same subject, there's "Inside Llewyn Davis," which is a much better movie. It's much more cinematic and also way funnier and also more dramatic.
Is Bob Dylan an interesting character? I don't think he is unless you turn him into a big villain.
Well theres a lot of mind reading based on the source material
I dont think dylan showed disrespect to seeger and guthrie maybe some of the other folk players
Oakland Coliseum was/is a possum infested dump. Outside the stadium the hawkers even sold t shirts celebrating it's dumpiness.
However, some of my favorite baseball memories are in that stadium behind home plate in the third deck. But this is before Oakland got the Raiders to move back to Oakland from LA 25 odd years ago by building a 'tower' above the center field bleachers, affectionately known as Mount Davis for the Raiders owner, that blocked the view to the Oakland hills. Without that view it became just a dump. With possums.
In Ken Burns' Baseball documentary they claimed that the Philadelphia A's legendary long-time manager, Connie Mack, discovered that he could make more money if he was a contender for a pennant but lost and sold his players to other teams than if he actually won a pennant. After some glory days at the beginning of the Thirties, the team went into decline. Maybe the fact that Mack managed the team until he was 88 had more to do with that, since the team was usually near the bottom of the league throughout the Forties.
In Oakland, the team did very well. Billy Beane pioneered "moneyball," the use of statistics to get the players with the best value, but Northern California is Giants' country so the A's were habitually strapped for cash.
Baseball history is a lot more interesting than actual baseball, though this last game may have been an exception.
The left has been reduced to bitching about Trump going to a basketball game.
How fucking pathetic.
“ Well theres a lot of mind reading based on the source material. I dont think dylan showed disrespect to seeger and guthrie maybe some of the other folk players.”
I’m talking about the movie, a work of art that invites interpretation and that does not even purport to adhere to the facts. Dylan approved of that and wanted deviation from the truth, or so he reportedly said. In the movie, Dylan does disrespect Seeger. Some of the time. Not all of the time.
And by the way, Trump didn't just 'go to the game.' He was invited by James Dolan, owner of the Knicks.
Now, we can still debate whether or not he should've gone - you know, being a lifelong Knicks fan - but it wasn't his idea.
I didnt get that impression i do think he wanted folk to branch out as it did (out of politics,) and more self expression
Bobby Zimmerman just really wanted to be a rock star.
Trump has been rooting for Orbán and Putin and the former lost an election and the latter is losing a war. Can he bring that same magic to the Knicks?
Texas thanks Trump for his service. 😁
My impression of the Dylan movie was that the man was surrounded by absolutely insufferable assholes, and his attitude was "I don't respect these schmucks, but I'm going to use them to get what I want ". It was, to me, a rather heroic triumph by Dylan over these dreadful beatniks and leeching females.
I dunno about Pete Seeger. Where have all the flowers gone - credited to him. Then you look it up. Lyrics written by Hendrickson, "inspired" by a Ukrainian folk song, and with melody from another Irish folk song. I guess that's takes a certain amount of talent, but much less than actually y'know writing it.
And Seeger was an honest to God "I support the Hitler-Stalin pact" Commie. He said he "left the party" in 1947, but what does that mean? No wonder Dylan wanted to get out of his sphere of influence.
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