"... among settlements and towns along its western coast. Although it belongs to the Kingdom of Denmark, it lies to the west of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, and is part of North America. The latest articulation of the U.S.’s National Security Strategy, published in November, frames Trump’s imperial ambitions as an extension of the Monroe Doctrine, the assertion by President James Monroe, in 1823, that any attempt by European powers to further colonize the Americas would be treated as 'dangerous to our peace and safety.' Under Trump’s leadership, the N.S.S. says, “we will deny non-Hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities, or to own or control strategically vital assets, in our Hemisphere.'"
Adding tags to this post, I hesitated over whether to use "geography" or "geology" or both. The part about Denmark "owning" or "colonizing" Greenland is obviously geography and not geology, so "geography" is a good tag for this post. But I want to underscore that Greenland is part of the North American continent. To get rid of the politics and human culture and speak of it geologically, Grok pointed me to the Wikipedia article "Laurentia":
Laurentia basement rocks
Laurentiaor theNorth American cratonis alarge continentalcratonthat forms theancient geological core ofNorth America. Many times in its past, Laurentia has been a separatecontinent, as it is now in the form of North America, although originally it also included the cratonic areas ofGreenlandand theHebridean terranein northwestScotland. During other times in its past, Laurentia has been part of larger continents andsupercontinentsand consists of many smallerterranes assembled on a network of earlyProterozoicorogenic belts. Smallmicrocontinentsand oceanic islands collided with andsuturedonto the ever-growing Laurentia, and together formed the stablePrecambrian craton seen today....
Which is more "ludicrous", that Greenland be controlled by the powerful U.S. that protects and financially supports over 90% of the nations of the world, or that tiny inconsequential Denmark controls it from another continent across the ocean unable to protect it from anyone and for no good purpose to the world?
I am intensely interested in the geologic history of upper North America; especially the Archean era and how the terranes came together. I have an entire personal library on the topic.
The oldest rocks in the US are found in Wisconsin and Minnesota (I'm uncertain what's in Alaska). I have some.
The Greenlanders aren't particular pleased with the Danes, but they can't support themselves in the style to which they have become accustomed. I can understand their reluctance to the idea of being ruled from DC. Heck, I sometimes think it would be better if my own state seceded from the union. It's very much up in the air right now if America is going to go full authoritarian communist or go back to being a free country. If I was a Greenlander I'd want America to at least get that sorted out before I subjected myself to their rule. On the other hand I wouldn't want to just be abandoned to the tender mercies of China either, which they can't trust the Danes not to do.
The Danish are very good at furniture and baked goods. So obviously they should have nominal control of something they can't defend. Here is a maxim that I've coined: If you can't defend your ownership of a thing, you don't own it. You're holding it.
Denmark has continued to abuse native Greenlanders, most recently with a “parenting competency” test called the Forældrekompetenceundersøgelse (or FKU).* This test was consciously or unconsciously biased against the Greenland Inuit population, and resulted in infants being removed their parents and generally put up for adoption in Denmark.
Under pressure from Greenlanders, activists, and even the UN, last year the Danish government officially outlawed the test and as recently as last month the Danish high court ruled that the Danish practice of taking away away Greenlander babies just hours after the mother had given birth was illegal. (Gee — ya think???)
Couple this with the earlier Danish practice of sterilizing Greenland women without their informed consent from 2960-1991 and you have a colonial power intent on abusing the native population of its colony. And that should properly disqualify the Danes from even being a colonial power. _____________ * Was the test meant to be a big FK U to the native Greenlanders? Seems so.
so.. Danmark PRETENDS that Greenland is part of their country? if THAT is/was the case; answer me this: HOW MANY Mosques are in Greenland? how/WHY? are we supposed to think that Greenland is part of Danmark if it doesn't have any Mosques? https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/are-there-muslims-in-greenland
In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old. You can see it here : https://www.mtu.edu/webcams/plaza/
"In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old. You can see it here : https://www.mtu.edu/webcams/plaza/"
That's a youngling. I have a piece of gneiss on my desk from the UP that's 3.5 billion years old.
What's ludicrous about the U.S. trying to secure a foothold in Greenland? It makes perfect sense for both the U.S. and for the West generally. Denmark hates the idea of "losing" Greenland for patriotic/sentimental reasons, but nobody who pretends to care about defeating "colonialism" can possibly respect Denmark's stake in the matter.
The only part of this I object to is the notion that Greenland should become a state. Same goes for Venezuela or any other places on the globe that doesn't have longstanding historical, cultural ties to the U.S.
Yea, no more states, please. 50 is a nice round number, and I already bought a few years worth of flags. Every area suggested for a state would be far more leftist than the U.S. in general, and that's not good for anyone.
Greenland is a great place for nuclear power plants, too. Short distance to the most stable geologic formations on the planet when it's time for waste disposal.
It's about the Arctic. For any future wars- with Russia or with China- the Arctic region is very much a battleground. We will need to have expanded bases and abilities on Greenland to project our strength into that space. It's going to happen at some point. When Trump first put it out there, it was treated as a bizarre Trumpian mind flow exercise. Now it's being taken more seriously. At some point, it will happen. Perhaps even after Trump leaves office.
For all of you who are interested in Geology and Plate Tectonics....you should watch Voyage of the Continents. imbd link https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696480/ (because I forgot how to post links).
Very interesting and the last episode has the Laurentian plate explained. Free on Amazon Prime and the Roku Channel.
Original Mike said... “Are there population requirements to become a state?”
Any states formed from the Northwest Territory were required to have at least 60k residents. However, Ohio fudged the numbers and was admitted with ~45k, IIRC.
Similarly, Nevada was admitted with ~40k due to their support for the Union in the Civil War.
@wild chicken, since their universal healthcare had included sterilization of their young women without informed consent, and the legalized abduction of their newborn children, the native agree la dere might welcome its removal.
After we secure Laurentia, lay claim to everything that was once a part of Gonwana or Pangaea. We won't be safe until we have all the cratons -- the full 64 cratons, not the simple 12.
A moment of silence for poor Rodinia, and its advanced rat civilization.
I'd take 51 if north and east California seceded from the LA-SF corridor. And 52 for Alberta. But never for DC, or Puerto Rico. Maybe Greenland in 100 years once it has become culturally assimilated.
Why on earth does it matter if Greenland is or is not part of North America, or is an island, a continent, landmass, or whatever you want to call it? How does its geological designation have a thing to do with Trump's ridiculous assertion it should be part of the United States?
I though Hardin's point there was that we were prioritizing conquest targets based on an skewed mapping. Turns out it was much less... aspirational... in nature.
I assert the entire world should be under control of the United States. Make Barack president again, and he will agree. Seriously, I'm tired of not conquering countries when we can. Let's get back to basics.
The US taking control of Greenland is not in any way, shape, or form a crazy idea. In fact, Trump is not the first president to try to make it happen. We tried to buy it in 1867, 1910, and 1946. We took control of it during WWII.
If you can't see the strategic importance of Greenland, you are blind. As the northern/Artic shipping routes open it creates a quick and easy path for China and Russia to reach North America - merchant ships are already doing it and their Navies could do it as well. Denmark has neither the will nor the resources to protect our northern flank.
So you’re saying North America is one giant stew with strips of land constantly “colliding” with one another? And the Trump haters were ready to fight him for putting up a tent to watch a fight honoring America. Rogan was more correct than he even realized when he said… what he said. Don’t fight me on that, I’m not recollecting verbatim what Rogan said. But I’m sure he didn’t say half the things people say Rogan said. Right Said Fred.
Nuclear powered data centers in Greenland seems to make sense.
I'm sure you are going to find lots of people who would be willing to move to Greenland and work at either. There is a reason why there are only 57K inhabitants. Very few people enjoy living in such harsh conditions
Yep, people will live in all sorts of remote, harsh places if they can earn a good living. Plus, no one has to move there. People can go in 6-month stints.
One of the big selling points if not the biggest selling point about Trump when first ran was that “he fights”. Remember the Butler. Did it, done it, being there, not there there, done it again, done.
Freder Frederson said...Why on earth does it matter if Greenland is or is not part of North America, or is an island, a continent, landmass, or whatever you want to call it?
What things are called matters a great deal in the law.
Land transfer won't happen because it doesn't need to happen because the US can get everything it wants without it.
For kicks, I watched the 2016 election night coverage a couple of weeks ago (I couldn't do it in 2016; I was in Australia). The return from Butler County late in the evening put Trump over the top in Pennsylvania. Maybe that's what stuck in Crooks' craw.
All that colliding tussle and bustle and the word tawdry never came up out of ground to be staged checked. Because we all now know tawdry was about dressing and lace. Not about a rumble in the jungle or more specifically a swamp wrestle.
“ "In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old...”
But is it a racist boulder? Madison wins again, if only on dei points. You can’t beat a good old racist boulder.
And the racist boulder of Madison was actually a Canadian immigrant! It migrated from the Canadian Shield.
REVEALED: How shadowy unit of government 'thought police' set up by ex-MI6 agent is trying to keep a lid on Britain's simmering racial tensions https://share.google/eIRT7pp4D3fapQIl2
bagoh20 said... Yea, no more states, please. 50 is a nice round number, and I already bought a few years worth of flags. Every area suggested for a state would be far more leftist than the U.S. in general, and that's not good for anyone.
6/15/26, 9:59 AM
How about a trade? Gain a state, lose a state. I hear California is it's own country, anyway...
Greenland is not ours only because it would not occur to the Jimmy Carters and Barack Obamas. They were content to parcel away the hemisphere instead of securing it for posterity.
“Under Trump’s leadership, the N.S.S. says, “we will deny non-Hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities, or to own or control strategically vital assets, in our Hemisphere.'"
“Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is a French collectivité located approximately 15 miles (25 km) off the southern coast of Newfoundland, Canada. This archipelago consists of the main islands of Miquelon and Langlade, which are connected by the Isthmus of Langlade, and Saint-Pierre.
The island of Saint-Pierre serves as the archipelago's administrative and commercial center, even though it is only 10 square miles (26 square km) in area. The inhabitants of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon are French citizens who adhere to French traditions. The main occupation of the island is cod fishing.”
originally it also included the cratonic areas of Greenland and the Hebridean terrane in northwest Scotland
Since those two areas are geologically related, and Trump's mother's ancestors reached the Hebrides thousands of years before the Inuit got to Greenland, I'd say he has a much stronger claim to the island than they do.
"And what boost in pay would entice you to move to Greenland, even if it was part of the U.S.?"
We're talking about the construction of a couple of nuke plants and some data centers, right? And you seriously think you won't find enough young, able-bodied men to do the work for good pay? I think you're wrong.
The Danes sold us their half of the Virgin Islands, perhaps because the thought of Danes in a subtropical clime is a little ridiculous. They hung on to Greenland and the Faroe Islands (and for a time Iceland) because it suited their self-image as latter-day Vikings. The maritime heritage lives on in Scandinavia to this day. The Danes are unlikely to let go.
Irrelevant. I know you're just a shit-stirrer who gets a kick out of saying...whatever...but I also know your conception of yourself as a good person is fundamental to your world view.
What I don't know is how you square that circle--being a lying scumbag and being convinced of your eternal goodness.
Bjork is from Iceland, not Greenland. Even under Althouse's ridiculous assertion, that because Greenland is technically part of the North American landmass, we have a superior claim to it, Iceland is definitely not. Heck, it's not even part of Denmark. Maybe Trump wants to annex Iceland too. They don't even have an army (even though they are also a member of NATO).
"It’s ALL about the rare earth minerals and other things in the ground."
It kills me the number of people who think that the US should and can just stride the earth and take everything we want or need from the people living where these resources are found, as if the countries of the world would never put two and two together and band together against us.
What we just witnessed in Iran was Russia and China drawing a line, China just told us to stuff our sanctions, and Russia is so sanctioned, that we can't sanction them any more, and it seems pretty clear that they not only armed up Iran, and improved their weapons, but provided them with up to date targeting information far beyond what Iran could have done alone.
At some point, this idea that we take what we want hits an actual limit.
Freder said: “ Considering the United States' treatment of its own native population, this argument is weak tea indeed.”
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing. Native Americans? Yeah, right.
Freder Frederson said...Please tell me, anywhere in this thread, where I have made one statement that is a lie
Please show me where, anywhere in your entire Althouse posting history, where you said anything that wasn't intellectually dishonest and/or out right duplicitous. But thank you for giving me a hint of how you square that circle.
Canada borders Greenland, the smallest distance to the USA is some 2,000 km.
And? Canada borders Alaska, the shortest distance to the 48 contiguous states is about 1600 km (or, rather, 1000 miles, since that's the measurement we use).
Greenland would provide some geographical balance. We have Alaska to the northwest, Hawaii to the southwest, Greenland (not that it would be a state) would cover the northeast.
Pretty cool, Original Mike. The oldest thing in my house is a Petoskey stone that I got in Traverse City, Michigan. It's fossilized coral that was laid down during the Devonian, about 350 million years ago.
Although I do have some rounded pebbles that I picked up on the beach of Lake Superior at the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum at Whitefish Point. No telling how old they might be.
I collected it just north of Watersmeet. It's Minnesota River Valley terrane. MRV on Althouse's wikipedia map. That map only shows it to the west of the Keweenawan Rift, but the scale doesn't allow it to show there are scattered outcrops to the east of the rift, too.
"Words don't work that way If I say Australia is an island, I'm saying it doesn't attach to Asia, for example."
It doesn't matter what YOU "are saying." You can use words to mean whatever you want. But it does raise the question who are the authorities who decide what counts as a continent. Why is Europe a continent? Why is Antarctica? Why isn't Madagascar (which I think has its own tectonic plate? Why is India a subcontinent?
""There are basically only two major continents. Antarctica and everything else since South America is connected to North America through Panama, North America is connected to Asia through the Bering Strait, and Asia is connected to Europe, Africa and Australia through the Urals, the Sinai and Indonesia, respectively."
"From "How Many Continents Are There? You May Not Like the Answers" (NYT)(free-access link so you can read the definitions and so forth).
"I've quoted the position of one geologist, but another says that there could be a third continent, Zealandia, which might not be sufficiently connected to Australia to deserve inclusion in the everything-but-Antarctica continent. There are also geologists who say 6 or 5 or 8 or 9. Just don't say 7."
In Vegas we have Frenchman Mountain. Made up of rocks similar to those found on the bottom of the Grand Canyon. The mountain provides an example of the Great Unconformity with the tilted Sandstone underlain by Vishnu Schist, which is some of the oldest rock on the North American continent, having been created about two billion years ago.
Freder Frederson (1:24pm) thinks that Trump wanting to rename things proves that he doesn't know that "What things are called matters a great deal in the law". Of course he knows that names matter! That's why he's renaming things! Here's where we need that meme animated Gif with "the point" flying right over someone's head.
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing. Native Americans? Yeah, right.
Please show me where, anywhere in your entire Althouse posting history, where you said anything that wasn't intellectually dishonest and/or out right duplicitous.
That's easy: "Bjork is from Iceland, not Greenland."
But it does raise the question who are the authorities who decide what counts as a continent. Why is Europe a continent? Why is Antarctica? Why isn't Madagascar (which I think has its own tectonic plate? Why is India a subcontinent?
And this debate has exactly what to do with whether the U.S. has a claim to territory, how?
"...“Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is a French collectivité located approximately 15 miles (25 km) off the southern coast of Newfoundland, Canada. This archipelago consists of the main islands of Miquelon and Langlade, which are connected by the Isthmus of Langlade, and Saint-Pierre."
Car and Driver drove a Citroën SM to that island, returning an epically bad voiture to its homeland:
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing.
A continent is one of the Earth’s major recognized land divisions, defined by a combination of geography, geology, and historical convention rather than by a single precise rule. I prefer a continent to have a large core of thick land mass distinct from oceanic crust, which is that case with current convention. A continent is what you want it to be. You are free to choose.
Canada borders Greenland, the smallest distance to the USA is some 2,000 km. ----------------- Yes, and Samoa is 6,019 miles from the U.S. To borrow a phrase from Freder, "And, what exactly is your point?"
What we just witnessed in Iran was Russia and China drawing a line, China just told us to stuff our sanctions, and Russia is so sanctioned, that we can't sanction them any more, and it seems pretty clear that they not only armed up Iran, and improved their weapons, but provided them with up to date targeting information far beyond what Iran could have done alone.
At some point, this idea that we take what we want hits an actual limit.
Are you really this stupid?
BRICS is dead. China is paying dollars for oil instead of military equipment. China was the first major power to surrender.
We gave Russia the land bridge to Crimea for their non-participation in Iran.
Dumb people will make up anything to avoid facing the fact they were wrong about everything.
James K Sid… “Greenland would provide some geographical balance. We have Alaska to the northwest, Hawaii to the southwest, Greenland (not that it would be a state) would cover the northeast.”
Leif Erikson already invaded North America circa 1000 AD. This aggression will not stand, man! Trump must challenge King Frederik X (if that’s his real name) to single combat at the Gateway to Hell on the slopes of Mt Hekla in Iceland. If a president won’t fight for his craton, what good is he?
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Australia is larger. Mercator projection is the problem.
Which is more "ludicrous", that Greenland be controlled by the powerful U.S. that protects and financially supports over 90% of the nations of the world, or that tiny inconsequential Denmark controls it from another continent across the ocean unable to protect it from anyone and for no good purpose to the world?
I am intensely interested in the geologic history of upper North America; especially the Archean era and how the terranes came together. I have an entire personal library on the topic.
The oldest rocks in the US are found in Wisconsin and Minnesota (I'm uncertain what's in Alaska). I have some.
I've always liked the name Laurentia.
Australia is a continent.
The only reason Denmark still "owns" Greenland is because the U.S. has maintained that situation for them, or they would have lost it long ago.
New yawker is about unlearing
The Greenlanders aren't particular pleased with the Danes, but they can't support themselves in the style to which they have become accustomed.
I can understand their reluctance to the idea of being ruled from DC. Heck, I sometimes think it would be better if my own state seceded from the union.
It's very much up in the air right now if America is going to go full authoritarian communist or go back to being a free country. If I was a Greenlander I'd want America to at least get that sorted out before I subjected myself to their rule.
On the other hand I wouldn't want to just be abandoned to the tender mercies of China either, which they can't trust the Danes not to do.
The Danish are very good at furniture and baked goods. So obviously they should have nominal control of something they can't defend.
Here is a maxim that I've coined: If you can't defend your ownership of a thing, you don't own it. You're holding it.
Denmark has continued to abuse native Greenlanders, most recently with a “parenting competency” test called the Forældrekompetenceundersøgelse (or FKU).* This test was consciously or unconsciously biased against the Greenland Inuit population, and resulted in infants being removed their parents and generally put up for adoption in Denmark.
Under pressure from Greenlanders, activists, and even the UN, last year the Danish government officially outlawed the test and as recently as last month the Danish high court ruled that the Danish practice of taking away away Greenlander babies just hours after the mother had given birth was illegal. (Gee — ya think???)
Couple this with the earlier Danish practice of sterilizing Greenland women without their informed consent from 2960-1991 and you have a colonial power intent on abusing the native population of its colony. And that should properly disqualify the Danes from even being a colonial power.
_____________
* Was the test meant to be a big FK U to the native Greenlanders? Seems so.
"Australia is larger."
True, but Greenland is still the largest island in the world.
The definition of island excludes continents. Australia is considered a continent because it's got its own tectonic plate and for some other reasons.
so..
Danmark PRETENDS that Greenland is part of their country?
if THAT is/was the case; answer me this:
HOW MANY Mosques are in Greenland?
how/WHY? are we supposed to think that Greenland is part of Danmark if it doesn't have any Mosques?
https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/are-there-muslims-in-greenland
What a great place for data centers, which have huge cooling requirements.
.... and conveniently, halfway between European and North American markets.
"What a great place for data centers, which have huge cooling requirements."
I like it. Elon should buy it; offer each resident $1M.
Hell of a lot cheaper than data centers in space.
In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old. You can see it here : https://www.mtu.edu/webcams/plaza/
I'd say that that Trump being humiliated with his 'little excursion' in Iran has made Greenland safer for now.
"True, but Greenland is still the largest island in the world."
I'm sure hardin knows this. He's just being hardin.
"In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old. You can see it here : https://www.mtu.edu/webcams/plaza/"
That's a youngling.
I have a piece of gneiss on my desk from the UP that's 3.5 billion years old.
What's ludicrous about the U.S. trying to secure a foothold in Greenland? It makes perfect sense for both the U.S. and for the West generally. Denmark hates the idea of "losing" Greenland for patriotic/sentimental reasons, but nobody who pretends to care about defeating "colonialism" can possibly respect Denmark's stake in the matter.
The only part of this I object to is the notion that Greenland should become a state. Same goes for Venezuela or any other places on the globe that doesn't have longstanding historical, cultural ties to the U.S.
Are there population requirements to become a state?
Too bad Greenland doesn't have a soccer team. Their fans would return home begging to join the US.
Aggie said...
What a great place for data centers, which have huge cooling requirements
Data centers also have huge power requirements.
Yea, no more states, please. 50 is a nice round number, and I already bought a few years worth of flags. Every area suggested for a state would be far more leftist than the U.S. in general, and that's not good for anyone.
Greenland is a great place for nuclear power plants, too.
Short distance to the most stable geologic formations on the planet when it's time for waste disposal.
Nuclear powered data centers in Greenland seems to make sense. Rename it "Powerland". "Greenland" isn't fooling anyone anymore.
It's about the Arctic. For any future wars- with Russia or with China- the Arctic region is very much a battleground. We will need to have expanded bases and abilities on Greenland to project our strength into that space. It's going to happen at some point. When Trump first put it out there, it was treated as a bizarre Trumpian mind flow exercise. Now it's being taken more seriously. At some point, it will happen. Perhaps even after Trump leaves office.
For all of you who are interested in Geology and Plate Tectonics....you should watch Voyage of the Continents. imbd link https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696480/ (because I forgot how to post links).
Very interesting and the last episode has the Laurentian plate explained. Free on Amazon Prime and the Roku Channel.
imdb link....not imbd. Proof reading is a skill that I evidently don't have...typing as well....sigh.
Original Mike said...
“Are there population requirements to become a state?”
Any states formed from the Northwest Territory were required to have at least 60k residents. However, Ohio fudged the numbers and was admitted with ~45k, IIRC.
Similarly, Nevada was admitted with ~40k due to their support for the Union in the Civil War.
I'm sure Green Landers are dying to give up their universal health. Get it? dying lol
"The definition of island excludes continents."
Words don't work that way If I say Australia is an island, I'm saying it doesn't attach to Asia, for example. There's no confusion about it.
Look at it on a map. It's obviously an island.
It means surrounded by water.
Britannia est insula. Europa non est insula. Italia paene est insula. Italia est paeninsula. - First Latin lesson, 8th grade.
"Any states formed from the Northwest Territory were required to have at least 60k residents."
57k is close.
But I'm with bagoh20. Greenland would probably be a lefty state. A US territory is sufficient.
Japan and parts of Russia are on the North American tectonic plate.
"It means surrounded by water."
Everything is surrounded by water on this planet.
@wild chicken, since their universal healthcare had included sterilization of their young women without informed consent, and the legalized abduction of their newborn children, the native agree la dere might welcome its removal.
Every man is an island...
in the bathtub.
After we secure Laurentia, lay claim to everything that was once a part of Gonwana or Pangaea. We won't be safe until we have all the cratons -- the full 64 cratons, not the simple 12.
A moment of silence for poor Rodinia, and its advanced rat civilization.
let's Talk SENSE..
Wouldn't (ISN'T) Greenland be a part of Puerto Rico?
I mean.. They have (basically) the same climate and culture
"50 is a nice round number"
I'd take 51 if north and east California seceded from the LA-SF corridor. And 52 for Alberta. But never for DC, or Puerto Rico. Maybe Greenland in 100 years once it has become culturally assimilated.
I've never heard of a craton before. I know what a cretin is. Learned that the hard way.
The definition of island excludes continents.
Why on earth does it matter if Greenland is or is not part of North America, or is an island, a continent, landmass, or whatever you want to call it? How does its geological designation have a thing to do with Trump's ridiculous assertion it should be part of the United States?
I though Hardin's point there was that we were prioritizing conquest targets based on an skewed mapping. Turns out it was much less... aspirational... in nature.
We will need to have expanded bases and abilities on Greenland to project our strength into that space. It's going to happen at some point.
And our treaty with Denmark allows us to station as many troops and have as many bases in Greenland as we want.
So what is your point?
I assert the entire world should be under control of the United States. Make Barack president again, and he will agree. Seriously, I'm tired of not conquering countries when we can. Let's get back to basics.
Why do you hate Greenlanders, Freder?
It's US or China.
Dems prefer China - their piggy bank.
Denmark has continued to abuse native Greenlanders
Considering the United States' treatment of its own native population, this argument is weak tea indeed.
I think it's going to happen.
According to my sources, Musk is already working on mass production of an affordable electric sled dog.
We're off to explore the 51st state this August....
The US taking control of Greenland is not in any way, shape, or form a crazy idea. In fact, Trump is not the first president to try to make it happen. We tried to buy it in 1867, 1910, and 1946. We took control of it during WWII.
If you can't see the strategic importance of Greenland, you are blind. As the northern/Artic shipping routes open it creates a quick and easy path for China and Russia to reach North America - merchant ships are already doing it and their Navies could do it as well. Denmark has neither the will nor the resources to protect our northern flank.
So you’re saying North America is one giant stew with strips of land constantly “colliding” with one another? And the Trump haters were ready to fight him for putting up a tent to watch a fight honoring America. Rogan was more correct than he even realized when he said… what he said. Don’t fight me on that, I’m not recollecting verbatim what Rogan said. But I’m sure he didn’t say half the things people say Rogan said. Right Said Fred.
Nuclear powered data centers in Greenland seems to make sense.
I'm sure you are going to find lots of people who would be willing to move to Greenland and work at either. There is a reason why there are only 57K inhabitants. Very few people enjoy living in such harsh conditions
"Very few people enjoy living in such harsh conditions"
Capitalism has a solution for that, Freder. We pay them.
Filipinos will go. They are already the third largest population.
The definition of island excludes continents. Australia is considered a continent because it's got its own tectonic plate and for some other reasons.
…yah and that because reasons is the sticky wicket right there - the definition of a continent is…complicated. Like Pluto complicated…
Don't get me started on Pluto.
" We pay them."
Yep, people will live in all sorts of remote, harsh places if they can earn a good living. Plus, no one has to move there. People can go in 6-month stints.
…supposedly Australia exhibits ‘Island Biogeography’. If your formal education in geography ended more than a decade ago, join me in a wtf?
One of the big selling points if not the biggest selling point about Trump when first ran was that “he fights”. Remember the Butler. Did it, done it, being there, not there there, done it again, done.
Is Pluto an island?
Freder Frederson said...Why on earth does it matter if Greenland is or is not part of North America, or is an island, a continent, landmass, or whatever you want to call it?
What things are called matters a great deal in the law.
Land transfer won't happen because it doesn't need to happen because the US can get everything it wants without it.
"Remember the Butler."
For kicks, I watched the 2016 election night coverage a couple of weeks ago (I couldn't do it in 2016; I was in Australia). The return from Butler County late in the evening put Trump over the top in Pennsylvania. Maybe that's what stuck in Crooks' craw.
All that colliding tussle and bustle and the word tawdry never came up out of ground to be staged checked. Because we all now know tawdry was about dressing and lace. Not about a rumble in the jungle or more specifically a swamp wrestle.
“ "In the approximate middle of the Michigan Tech campus in Houghton MI stands a boulder from the Keweenaw Rift that's been dated to be 1.8 billion years old...”
But is it a racist boulder? Madison wins again, if only on dei points. You can’t beat a good old racist boulder.
And the racist boulder of Madison was actually a Canadian immigrant! It migrated from the Canadian Shield.
"And our treaty with Denmark allows us to station as many troops and have as many bases in Greenland as we want."
Can you imagine Freder's apoplexy if Trump actually did start stationing as many troops and as many bases as he wanted in Greenland?
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Original Mike said...
“I've always liked the name Laurentia.”
If Meade had a daughter…
Democrats placed Native American's on plantations.
No assimilation required. This was/is a failure - but Trump will be blamed.
bagoh20 said...
Yea, no more states, please. 50 is a nice round number, and I already bought a few years worth of flags. Every area suggested for a state would be far more leftist than the U.S. in general, and that's not good for anyone.
6/15/26, 9:59 AM
How about a trade? Gain a state, lose a state. I hear California is it's own country, anyway...
"If Meade had a daughter…"
Perfect!
Lazarus said...
“We won't be safe until we have all the cratons -- the full 64 cratons, not the simple 12.”
I was jealous of the kids who got the big box of 64. It came with the little sharpener built into the side, too.
Freder Frederson said...
“Considering the United States' treatment of its own native population, this argument is weak tea indeed.”
I agree. It’s appalling what freebies the newcomers get. Plus the destruction of the trades when illegals come in and work sub-minimum wage.
“Is Pluto an island?“
Not unless Pluto is trancing from dog into a man by becoming an island first. Working at Disneyland is a privilege.
“No, the legendary Italian film producer Dino De Laurentiis did not directly work with Disney“
Not surprising when fantasy doesn’t meet reality.
Greenland is not ours only because it would not occur to the Jimmy Carters and Barack Obamas. They were content to parcel away the hemisphere instead of securing it for posterity.
Its that dèep channel the red october had to navigate
“Under Trump’s leadership, the N.S.S. says, “we will deny non-Hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities, or to own or control strategically vital assets, in our Hemisphere.'"
“Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is a French collectivité located approximately 15 miles (25 km) off the southern coast of Newfoundland, Canada. This archipelago consists of the main islands of Miquelon and Langlade, which are connected by the Isthmus of Langlade, and Saint-Pierre.
The island of Saint-Pierre serves as the archipelago's administrative and commercial center, even though it is only 10 square miles (26 square km) in area. The inhabitants of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon are French citizens who adhere to French traditions. The main occupation of the island is cod fishing.”
Send in the Marines!
“Considering the United States' treatment of its own native population, this argument is weak tea indeed.”
You mean the populations that came here from Asia? Which specific wave of those migrations are you referring to?
"Which specific wave of those migrations are you referring to?"
Whichever wave can be spun so that the maximum amount of hate can be directed at white (preferably Christian) people.
You mean the populations that came here from Asia? Which specific wave of those migrations are you referring to?
All of them. Does it matter? Even the newest arrivals came here more than 10,000 years before the Europeans.
originally it also included the cratonic areas of Greenland and the Hebridean terrane in northwest Scotland
Since those two areas are geologically related, and Trump's mother's ancestors reached the Hebrides thousands of years before the Inuit got to Greenland, I'd say he has a much stronger claim to the island than they do.
Democrats placed Native American's on plantations.
Every party placed Native Americans on reservations. WTF are you talking about?
Can you imagine Freder's apoplexy if Trump actually did start stationing as many troops and as many bases as he wanted in Greenland?
No. Wouldn't bother me in the least. Would suck for the troops stationed there though.
Preeminent Domain.
Capitalism has a solution for that, Freder. We pay them.
And what boost in pay would entice you to move to Greenland, even if it was part of the U.S.?
Denmark has neither the will nor the resources to protect our northern flank.
Denmark is a member of NATO (one of the founding members no less). An attack on them is an attack on us and all NATO members.
Greenland is not ours only because it would not occur to the Jimmy Carters and Barack Obamas.
Denmark has controlled Greenland since 1721 (and for a couple hundred years in the first millennium). That is longer than the U.S. has been a country.
What things are called matters a great deal in the law.
Not to Trump they don't. Apparently he thinks he can unilaterally rename things as he sees fit (e.g., The Kennedy Center and the Gulf of Mexico).
"And what boost in pay would entice you to move to Greenland, even if it was part of the U.S.?"
We're talking about the construction of a couple of nuke plants and some data centers, right? And you seriously think you won't find enough young, able-bodied men to do the work for good pay? I think you're wrong.
"Denmark is a member of NATO (one of the founding members no less). An attack on them is an attack on us and all NATO members."
Only one NATO member has the ability to defend Greenland. And it's the one being told to shove it.
The Danes sold us their half of the Virgin Islands, perhaps because the thought of Danes in a subtropical clime is a little ridiculous. They hung on to Greenland and the Faroe Islands (and for a time Iceland) because it suited their self-image as latter-day Vikings. The maritime heritage lives on in Scandinavia to this day. The Danes are unlikely to let go.
“Is Pluto an island?”
Pluto is one of those topics, like religion and politics, that you don’t bring up in polite company.
Good point, Original Mark. Imagine what Bjork would spend her million on.
It’s ALL about the rare earth minerals and other things in the ground.
That’s why we need to own it and its mineral rights.
Freder Frederson said...Not to Trump they don't.
Irrelevant. I know you're just a shit-stirrer who gets a kick out of saying...whatever...but I also know your conception of yourself as a good person is fundamental to your world view.
What I don't know is how you square that circle--being a lying scumbag and being convinced of your eternal goodness.
Freder Frederson said...Denmark is a member of NATO (one of the founding members no less). An attack on them is an attack on us and all NATO members.
"Greenland doesn't need the United States to protect it because it already has the United States to protect it."
Cute.
"Greenland doesn't need the United States to protect it because it already has the United States to protect it."
Cute.
If facts are "cute", then you are 100% correct.
being a lying scumbag and being convinced of your eternal goodness.
Please tell me, anywhere in this thread, where I have made one statement that is a lie. A difference of opinion is not a lie.
What bagoh20 said…
Imagine what Bjork would spend her million on.
Bjork is from Iceland, not Greenland. Even under Althouse's ridiculous assertion, that because Greenland is technically part of the North American landmass, we have a superior claim to it, Iceland is definitely not. Heck, it's not even part of Denmark. Maybe Trump wants to annex Iceland too. They don't even have an army (even though they are also a member of NATO).
"It’s ALL about the rare earth minerals and other things in the ground."
It kills me the number of people who think that the US should and can just stride the earth and take everything we want or need from the people living where these resources are found, as if the countries of the world would never put two and two together and band together against us.
What we just witnessed in Iran was Russia and China drawing a line, China just told us to stuff our sanctions, and Russia is so sanctioned, that we can't sanction them any more, and it seems pretty clear that they not only armed up Iran, and improved their weapons, but provided them with up to date targeting information far beyond what Iran could have done alone.
At some point, this idea that we take what we want hits an actual limit.
“You mean the populations that came here from Asia? Which specific wave of those migrations are you referring to?
All of them. Does it matter? Even the newest arrivals came here more than 10,000 years before the Europeans.”
He who laughs last, laughs best.
Canada borders Greenland, the smallest distance to the USA is some 2,000 km.
We're talking about the construction of a couple of nuke plants and some data centers, right?
…we got portable nuke plants that can stack like shipping containers now…the good guys are in charge so if they get going on the fuel balls…
Great Post
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Chill out, Tim. Nobody's taking anything.
It’s only an island if you look at it from the water…
Freder said: “ Considering the United States' treatment of its own native population, this argument is weak tea indeed.”
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing. Native Americans? Yeah, right.
Freder Frederson said...Please tell me, anywhere in this thread, where I have made one statement that is a lie
Please show me where, anywhere in your entire Althouse posting history, where you said anything that wasn't intellectually dishonest and/or out right duplicitous.
But thank you for giving me a hint of how you square that circle.
Canada borders Greenland, the smallest distance to the USA is some 2,000 km.
And? Canada borders Alaska, the shortest distance to the 48 contiguous states is about 1600 km (or, rather, 1000 miles, since that's the measurement we use).
Greenland would provide some geographical balance. We have Alaska to the northwest, Hawaii to the southwest, Greenland (not that it would be a state) would cover the northeast.
Pretty cool, Original Mike. The oldest thing in my house is a Petoskey stone that I got in Traverse City, Michigan. It's fossilized coral that was laid down during the Devonian, about 350 million years ago.
Although I do have some rounded pebbles that I picked up on the beach of Lake Superior at the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum at Whitefish Point. No telling how old they might be.
"I'd say that that Trump being humiliated with his 'little excursion' in Iran has made Greenland safer for now."
Cretins will say things like that, won't they?
The oldest surface rock formations in North America are pre-Cambrian basalts on the southeast coast of Baffin Island.
I collected it just north of Watersmeet. It's Minnesota River Valley terrane. MRV on Althouse's wikipedia map. That map only shows it to the west of the Keweenawan Rift, but the scale doesn't allow it to show there are scattered outcrops to the east of the rift, too.
The location of the oldest (known) surface rock in the world is hotly debated.
"Words don't work that way If I say Australia is an island, I'm saying it doesn't attach to Asia, for example."
It doesn't matter what YOU "are saying." You can use words to mean whatever you want. But it does raise the question who are the authorities who decide what counts as a continent. Why is Europe a continent? Why is Antarctica? Why isn't Madagascar (which I think has its own tectonic plate? Why is India a subcontinent?
I wrote a post a couple years ago:
""There are basically only two major continents. Antarctica and everything else since South America is connected to North America through Panama, North America is connected to Asia through the Bering Strait, and Asia is connected to Europe, Africa and Australia through the Urals, the Sinai and Indonesia, respectively."
"From "How Many Continents Are There? You May Not Like the Answers" (NYT)(free-access link so you can read the definitions and so forth).
"I've quoted the position of one geologist, but another says that there could be a third continent, Zealandia, which might not be sufficiently connected to Australia to deserve inclusion in the everything-but-Antarctica continent. There are also geologists who say 6 or 5 or 8 or 9. Just don't say 7."
In Vegas we have Frenchman Mountain. Made up of rocks similar to those found on the bottom of the Grand Canyon. The mountain provides an example of the Great Unconformity with the tilted Sandstone underlain by Vishnu Schist, which is some of the oldest rock on the North American continent, having been created about two billion years ago.
Freder Frederson (1:24pm) thinks that Trump wanting to rename things proves that he doesn't know that "What things are called matters a great deal in the law". Of course he knows that names matter! That's why he's renaming things! Here's where we need that meme animated Gif with "the point" flying right over someone's head.
Zealandia has a good claim.
The authorities on words are the native speakers of that language. Lexicographers try to pick that up and report it, at least before wokeness.
Wm. Empson "The Structure of Complex Words" the chapter "Dictionaries" is a nice exposition on teasing out definitions.
Big surprise Freder's shitting all over this thread. /s
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing. Native Americans? Yeah, right.
And, what exactly is your point?
Please show me where, anywhere in your entire Althouse posting history, where you said anything that wasn't intellectually dishonest and/or out right duplicitous.
That's easy: "Bjork is from Iceland, not Greenland."
But it does raise the question who are the authorities who decide what counts as a continent. Why is Europe a continent? Why is Antarctica? Why isn't Madagascar (which I think has its own tectonic plate? Why is India a subcontinent?
And this debate has exactly what to do with whether the U.S. has a claim to territory, how?
Big surprise Freder's shitting all over this thread.
Thank you for your pertinent comment.
Smilin' Jack said...
"...“Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is a French collectivité located approximately 15 miles (25 km) off the southern coast of Newfoundland, Canada. This archipelago consists of the main islands of Miquelon and Langlade, which are connected by the Isthmus of Langlade, and Saint-Pierre."
Car and Driver drove a Citroën SM to that island, returning an epically bad voiture to its homeland:
Retour à L'Envoyeur: Driving a Citroën CX from New York to France
Embrace GreenPowerLand
We have the Seneca tribe just north of where I live. If one reads the history of the Seneca tribe, they were the most violent in the area. Their history includes subjugating (re: enslaving) the various tribes they conquered. Killed off the men, hauled off the women and indoctrinated the children into the tribe. Many tribes fell to them in battle. They were the last tribe standing.
Tell me about the Sullivan Expedition.
A continent is one of the Earth’s major recognized land divisions, defined by a combination of geography, geology, and historical convention rather than by a single precise rule. I prefer a continent to have a large core of thick land mass distinct from oceanic crust, which is that case with current convention. A continent is what you want it to be. You are free to choose.
Freder Frederson said...
“All of them. Does it matter? Even the newest arrivals came here more than 10,000 years before the Europeans.”
Soultrean Hypothesis denier.
"If Meade had a daughter…"
Or transitioned.
If we attack Greenland, perhaps that will awaken Holger Danske. Once he has a chance to look around, I doubt he will defend the current Danish regime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogier_the_Dane
CC, JSM
Rocco, I prefer the Soul Train hypothesis. CC, JSM
john mosby said...
“Rocco, I prefer the Soul Train hypothesis. CC, JSM”
Spell check does too, apparently.
Let Greenland decide. Give them all a million bucks or so.’
Kassaar said...
Canada borders Greenland, the smallest distance to the USA is some 2,000 km.
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Yes, and Samoa is 6,019 miles from the U.S. To borrow a phrase from Freder, "And, what exactly is your point?"
imTay said...
What we just witnessed in Iran was Russia and China drawing a line, China just told us to stuff our sanctions, and Russia is so sanctioned, that we can't sanction them any more, and it seems pretty clear that they not only armed up Iran, and improved their weapons, but provided them with up to date targeting information far beyond what Iran could have done alone.
At some point, this idea that we take what we want hits an actual limit.
Are you really this stupid?
BRICS is dead. China is paying dollars for oil instead of military equipment. China was the first major power to surrender.
We gave Russia the land bridge to Crimea for their non-participation in Iran.
Dumb people will make up anything to avoid facing the fact they were wrong about everything.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
I'd say that that Trump being humiliated with his 'little excursion' in Iran has made Greenland safer for now.
LOL!
He is probably retarded enough to believe it too.
James K Sid…
“Greenland would provide some geographical balance. We have Alaska to the northwest, Hawaii to the southwest, Greenland (not that it would be a state) would cover the northeast.”
Alaska and Greenland: The jug-ears of America.
Soultrean Hypothesis denier.
What in my post contradicts the solutrean hypothesis?
Leif Erikson already invaded North America circa 1000 AD. This aggression will not stand, man! Trump must challenge King Frederik X (if that’s his real name) to single combat at the Gateway to Hell on the slopes of Mt Hekla in Iceland. If a president won’t fight for his craton, what good is he?
RULE LAURENTIA!
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