The Washington Examiner reports.
AND: From the NYT: "Iran’s military announced it has closed the Strait of Hormuz just a day after the country declared the waterway open, decrying the U.S. blockade and leaving the status of the vital waterway unclear. The Strait of Hormuz had 'returned to its previous state' and 'is under the strict management and control of the Armed Forces,' Iran’s military command said Saturday, according to a statement published by Iranian state-backed media."
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As I noted yesterday -- Trump was lying about all the claims he's made about Iran's total capitulation, but is it a lie if his source is a voice in his head?
Let’s just call them Stock Market Negotiations at this point.
“You want some more, well here’s some more!”
Give these IRGC mooks what they want.
The president is walking around saying how beautiful and well woven his clothes are. MAGA supporters are lapping it up, saying how beautiful the stitch work is and the quality of the thread.
He's naked.
Little bot Bitch shows up - but soon his little dick words will evaporate into insignificance - again.
Big mistake. FAFO.
The Strait of Schroedinger. At any given monent it is both open and closed.
Don't worry, Europe's got this.
Europe Drafts Postwar Plan to Free Up Hormuz Without U.S.
U.K. and French plan aims to give shipping companies confidence to use the strait after the fighting ends
LONDON—European countries are putting together a plan for a broad coalition of countries to help free up shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, including sending mine-clearing and other military vessels. But the plan would only come after the war and may exclude one country in particular: the U.S.
French President Emmanuel Macron said Tuesday the plan is for an international defensive mission that doesn’t include the “belligerent” parties, meaning the U.S., Israel and Iran. European diplomats familiar with the plan say European ships wouldn’t be under American command.
Excellent.
China can keep spending billions of dollars a day buying oil from us.
Little Excursion™️ said...
The president is walking around saying how beautiful and well woven his clothes are. MAGA supporters are lapping it up, saying how beautiful the stitch work is and the quality of the thread.
He's naked.
Some IRGC walked out of their barracks and got stabbed to death. Nobody even knows who is in charge in Iran anymore.
The part that makes Chuck mad is that China and Europe are buying shit from the US now
For decades the world has been selling the US stuff.
That is changing, and every missile Chuck's heroes fire brings the CCP in China closer to collapse.
"To open the strait, you must first help the enemy close it." ~ Don Tzu.
Wince said...
Don't worry, Europe's got this.
Europe Drafts Postwar Plan to Free Up Hormuz Without U.S.
U.K. and French plan aims to give shipping companies confidence to use the strait after the fighting ends
It will be interesting to see if Starmer outlasts the IRGC.
TinyE®… throwin’ down with the Enemy. No surprise there, but it will take a real commitment to seal the deal. Only one thing to do in that case, E: shit yer pants an' dive in and swim!
Lather, rinse, repeat
Breaking; The President says that thing that’s happening is not happening.
So the guy in Iran who said the strait was open and the military guys aren’t on the same page. Isn’t this the kind of internal conflict that we are supposed to want?
All that football spiking yesterday was for nought?
Achilles is like Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy with the football. What a rube.
Lefties… siding with - and praising - the Enemy.
Who woulda thunk it?!
"Iran’s top negotiator and wartime leader, said on Saturday that the US president had “raised seven claims in one hour and all seven were false”.
Not bad.
Usually Trump can work in more than one lie per claim.
I think it's terribly funny how some here get all excited when a new event transpires. OMiGod Trump didn't predict the future, it's proof that he's lying because it's less than 100% accurate predictions, there's No Plan, that......(fill in your clueless options). You guys crack me up, every time I scroll past.
I seem to remember Iran announcing that the Strait of Hormuz is open, anybody else? No criticism though, I wouldn't dare.....
If you kill one leader, you get two more leaders.
Leftists are the same a-holes who dutifully went woke, they/them BS - who dutifully bought everything Maddow and MSNBC told them about Russian Collusion and the phony fake phone call for Impeachment lying whistle blower BS.
Meanwhile - Adam Schitt should be indicted.
The fundamental truth is - this ain't over unless there is regime change. Real Deal change; not a "change of heart" by the mullahs and IRGC. They lie.
These are not people who can be rehabilitated anymore than cockroaches. They must be exiled (to where?), imprisoned or, preferably; killed.
The real question is, where did these gunboats come from, and why weren't they blown out of the water the moment they appeared ?
Merchant ships scrambling might be too much even for Max Fleischer.
How many times have we won this war so far? I've lost count.
White House spokesperson: "anything not announced by President Trump or the White House should be considered speculation.”
The problem being, anything actually announced by Trump, usually in a rambling midnight social media post, also appears to be speculation.
Anybody who is optimistic based on Trump's claims about this or anything else is a fool. He's a pathological liar.
Somali pirates part deux. The Russians resolved that dysfunction with a few warning shots. Good hunting, Navy.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXb1emz3DPY
Amazing how little actual news we get. This was plainly going to happen within an hour of Trump's first tweet yesterday.
Mark said...
All that football spiking yesterday was for nought?
Achilles is like Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy with the football. What a rube.
I spiked the football months ago when it became clear that Trump understood the game actually being played.
You are just an average retard that can't see the forest for the trees.
Every day Iran closes the straight just brings US victory over the globalists closer. Gas prices will stabilize in the current range in the US. We are ramping domestic production right now to match oil prices.
The only places the US that will have problems are places democrats control like California.
But Europe will run out of fuel about the same time China runs out of fuel. Iran surrenders when their globalist sponsors are defeated.
China has already surrendered. They are more reasonable than Lloyd's of London.
All you are seeing now is Europe's last gasps and some retards in the IRGC that haven't got their 500 pound memo yet.
Islamic power whore males need money. Keep up the choke.
Dear Obama - please please sell your many multi-million dollar compounds and send the proceeds to the Islamic Supremacists. Love, Big mo.
Iran playing games again... bomb the shit out of them for the next ten days... then 'negotiate' again... simple, no?
Little Excursion™️ said...
How many times have we won this war so far? I've lost count.
As I said above we won when Trump understood the game and decided to win.
All we are seeing now is retards like you trying to keep hope alive.
imTay said...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXb1emz3DPY
Amazing how little actual news we get. This was plainly going to happen within an hour of Trump's first tweet yesterday.
You linked to a family guy cartoon.
You can't make this level of cognitive dissonance up.
As posted yesterday, the Iran Foreign Minister said the Straits were open as reported by Al Jazeera. If they are sitting at ships now, then we know who is lying. I think Lucien above recognizes what is going on, and I agree.
I see the US doing two things at the same time. Trump and Hegseth are playing a political game with their messaging on the war. I think it is to create distrust within the Iranian leadership. It does the same here, but Democrats have no power. The military is giving the unvarnished facts, which they should be doing. We don't want to distrust our military.
“Gun boats”. What a joke. A ski boat with a couple of nutters with AK47s taking pot shots at a freighter. Somali pirates are embarrassed.
Nobody is in charge
I"ranian Parliamentary Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf announced Friday evening that the strait was closed, despite an earlier announcement from President Donald Trump and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi that Iran was allowing ships to pass."
"The contradictory messaging from Tehran and the Guards further illustrates the breakdown in trust and communications between the two and shows that true power lies with the Guards."
It sounds like Trump is diffusing. No bellicosity. Well, not much. Professing continued negotiations. Some will say TACO, others that he's not taking the bait. We'll see what happens.
We have no choice. We must get all enriched uranium, destroy Iranian ability to enrich, stop their manufacture of missiles, stop Iranian support of world wide terrorism and allow the Iranian people to choose their government. In other words regime change. It's awful that we are dealing with an insane death cult.
Every Friday Trump announces the Strait is open, only for it to be proven false shortly after. Today is no exception — Iran doesn’t seem to have agreed to anything. The market manipulation appears to be ongoing. Anyone else seeing this pattern?
rhhardin said...
If you kill one leader, you get two more leaders.
A winning strategy when those two leaders then turn on each other.
Only idiots use the term TACO.
Iran has no cards to play here- Trump or Vance will be President for the next 33 months. The strait either opens or the bombing continues. Do you really believe that Trump will not resume the bombing if Iran doesn't make an agreement on American terms? If you do believe that, then explain to me how the bombing started in the first place.
The only real problem here is that the civilian government of Iran and the military are clearly not unified any longer. It will take time to reunify them but it will happen one way or another.
Trump's political enemies are overlooking one big fact at play here- Trump isn't running for any elections from this point forward. In Obama's own words, Trump has flexibility to act now that his last election is behind him. I suspect Trump doesn't even give a shit about the midterm elections, especially given how the D.C. GOP has behaved since last Summer.
Howard said...
It sounds like Trump is diffusing. No bellicosity. Well, not much. Professing continued negotiations. Some will say TACO, others that he's not taking the bait. We'll see what happens.
How do people play poker when they have a royal flush?
The key insight here is that the United States let its wealthiest 1% people go.
Every other country in the world is run by their wealthiest .00001%. This is the globalist game.
The world can't compete with that unless it lets its to 1% free.
But that is what Trump is trying to do in Iran.
Starmer/merz/Xi are all stuck in a catch 22.
People just don't know what game they are playing yet.
Yancy said:
The only real problem here is that the civilian government of Iran and the military are clearly not unified any longer. It will take time to reunify them but it will happen one way or another.
Civilian opened it, military closed it. New military leadership needed.
D.D. Driver for the win. Well done!
Yeah at this point, its ridiculous
Sort of black knight in farsi
This is going to continue until and unless the US has naval assets that will guarantee the safety of ships traveling through the Strait. Whether we have sufficient assets to do that is the question. I would hope that the administration is using this "cease fire" pause to move additional assets into the region but who knows. If a few yahoos in speedboats were attacking a vessel, why were those vessels not blown out of the water?
Im guessing they came to close to the ship in question,
Next time they fire, take out a power plant.
Rinse. Repeat.
I’m a non-hawk who didn’t want this war but reading this changes my view: they need to be obliterated. Who is “they”? The regime.
I think the problem in Iran is that they don't have total control over all of their military assets anymore. I think you have these rogue leaders who will order an attack and not care (or maybe not even know about) a cease fire. Then the main government leaders will say, "We meant to do that" to avoid looking like they aren't in total control.
“They’ll never close the Strait again” lasted a solid 12 hours.
Masterful negotiation (read: market manipulation) from Trump
" The market manipulation appears to be ongoing. Anyone else seeing this pattern?"
Nope. I'm immune to TDS, and I like what the market is doing and has been doing for a long time. It's ignoring you guys and the endless predictable negativity.
"“They’ll never close the Strait again” lasted a solid 12 hours."
Yep, the regime lied again as expected, yet you still believe them over Trump. That's what we call a "symptom".
Trump can't control what choices they make. He just tells you what they say. You don't have to believe it. Did you?
“ If you kill one leader, you get two more leaders.”
But if we kill 3 leaders do we get six more leaders, or do we get nine? More research is needed.
Hormuz is almost as bad as Chicago, a few dumb ass gang bangers shooting random bullets around. Iran is making lots of friends.
Is Chuck openly rooting for the Iranian hardliners to win?
Schrodinger's Strait of Hormuz is both open and closed, so it seems.
Any man capable of bringing peace to Ukraine in 24 hours can surely land the Iran peace plane with his eyes closed.
Can Trump finally make a nuclear deal with Iran? It’s an irrelevant question.
Trump lacks a moral compass, altruism, a sense of right and wrong, a vision for a better world. His behavior is governed by self interest, which, in turn, is informed by his understanding of externalities. He does not have an inner conscience that guides his decision making; instead, he listens to the roar of the crowd around him to decide if what he’s doing is helping him become more powerful.
He does not fundamentally care if Iran exists, or not, nor whether it has nukes or not. The war in Iran is a WWF match and he just wants to hear the roar of the crowd, cheering for him.
Since the attack on Iran is not working to build his power (the roar of the crowd is loud, but it has turned against him), what will he do next? Drop more bombs on Iran? Start a war with a weaker nation so he can claim victory somewhere else?
In the meantime, he and his appointees are too incompetent and too proud—or should I say “graceless”—to find a solution with Iran that is meaningfully positive for any stakeholders but himself and his enablers.
I don’t see a path out of this until the elections, when —hopefully — the Republicans lose their majorities in both houses of Congress and the new leadership in Congress severely restricts Trumps authority and authorizes someone else to conduct the resolution of this fiasco.
NO comments from the whiners about the heroic summit meeting in Europe, where concerned members of the EU and other countries gave full-throated endorsement of 'making the Strait of Hormuz safe', with the explicit exclusion to the US? My take is, Trump said last week that Europe should step up, and now they're stepping up, so what's the Big Deal? Maybe the US declined to join them there.
The followup question is, 'with what?' The UK has more admirals than warships, and can't seem to even make one seaworthy ship available, even when it comes to protecting Cyprus, when it came under Iranian fire. The French? Germans? Belgium? Liechtenstein? Just wondering what this mighty armada might look like on the water, compared to the one on paper.
The formal end of the Kabuki dance is an unknowable unknown.
Traders place $760 million bet on falling oil ahead of Hormuz announcement ~ Reuters
$760M in Brent shorts placed 20 minutes BEFORE the Hormuz announcement. That's $2.21 BILLION in pre-positioned oil trades across three instances — all timed to the minute before presidential posts. The CFTC opened an investigation. The White House sent a memo. A memo. The screen isn't just lying — it's being front-run by someone who reads the tweets before you do.
The Iranian clowns in a speedboat with AK's can do what they do because of the absolutely insane policy that shippers and ports have, that ships cannot have armed protection on board. What other multimillion dollar asset, with vulnerable humans, operates in a known dangerous environment, with no ability to use force to protect itself? And this is not at all a new thing, nor is it confined to the Gulf.
Steve said...
This is going to continue until and unless the US has naval assets that will guarantee the safety of ships traveling through the Strait. Whether we have sufficient assets to do that is the question. I would hope that the administration is using this "cease fire" pause to move additional assets into the region but who knows. If a few yahoos in speedboats were attacking a vessel, why were those vessels not blown out of the water?
LOL.
Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz makes the USA rich.
Why do we give a fuck?
Aggie said...
NO comments from the whiners about the heroic summit meeting in Europe, where concerned members of the EU and other countries gave full-throated endorsement of 'making the Strait of Hormuz safe', with the explicit exclusion to the US? My take is, Trump said last week that Europe should step up, and now they're stepping up, so what's the Big Deal? Maybe the US declined to join them there.
Heads China/Europe loses.
Tails Trump/USA win.
People just don't understand the game being played here.
The only avenue open to the EU to "make the straits safe" is to capitulate to IRGC demands.
loudogblog said...
I think the problem in Iran is that they don't have total control over all of their military assets anymore. I think you have these rogue leaders who will order an attack and not care (or maybe not even know about) a cease fire. Then the main government leaders will say, "We meant to do that" to avoid looking like they aren't in total control.
This is obvious to anyone sentient.
Right now you have a lot of IRGC soldiers facing the prospect of getting a civilian job and pretending they were never part of the army so they don't get stabbed to death by the civilian population.
Fred Drinkwater said...
The only avenue open to the EU to "make the straits safe" is to capitulate to IRGC demands.
This is the real boiled down issue at stake in the straight of Hormuz.
Lloyds of London/IRGC used to own the straight of hormuz. It has nothing to do with the Nations of Europe.
This is about the rulers of Europe and their power over world oil prices and the structural imbalance they created in manufacturing so western manufacturing can't compete with SE asia manufacturing.
In the last couple days PDJT has closed deals (signed treaties?) with Indonesia and Tunisia. Indonesia controls the Strait of Malacca with 259 tankers transiting daily. Tunisia controls strait of Gibraltar with 300 vessels daily including 30-40 tankers.
And once we get the IRGC settled down, friends of ours will control the strait of Hormuz. (UK and France can control the gay of Hormuz)
John Henry
Does Little Excursion get paid a salary or is it piecework?
“Does Little Excursion get paid a salary or is it piecework?”
More akin to piece of shitwork…
Trump says, “kiss this, Iran and Democrat scheisse heads!”
https://x.com/Knesix/status/2045495043687854459?s=20
"bringing peace to Ukraine in 24 hours"
I realized awhile ago there is no real incentive for anyone (particularly the US) to care about what really happens in Ukraine.
“Traders place $760 million bet on falling oil ahead of Hormuz announcement ~ Reuters”
Little E (and Reuters) doesn’t seem to understand that there are two sides to these bets. If $760 million was bet on falling oil, $760 million was also bet against oil falling. Or maybe they understand but are BSing in the hope that their audience doesn’t.
Reuters often a cover for mi 6 see the late frederick forsyth
No man is an island, Achilles. US oil companies are making money hand over fist and the little people will continue to pay through the nose at the pump because of global supply and demand. We need the Straight Hormones open as well.
The uk could open up their north sea holdings but they are too stupid to do so
According to the Iranians the deal was both sides drop their blockade. Trump than announces he will keep the blockade on Iranians ships. So, the Iranians have re-closed the strait to everyone.
The Iranians also say they won't give up their enriched Uranium to the USA. That's a non-starter.
So, other than helping his rich friends play the oil futures market, what is Trump doing? I think he's (after getting Bibi's OK and approval) just waiting for the US Marines to get to the Gulf. And then he'll restart the war.
BTW, I just learned some neo-con was advising the USA to shoot down the plane returning from Pakistan with Iranian negotiators. Yeehaw, lets murder some I-ran-ee-uns trying to get peace. Yeehaw, that's 'murica.
"I-ran-ee-uns trying to get peace..." Yeehaw, indeed. The fucking Iranians are trying to get an advantage.
I'm not keen on shooting down passenger planes but the minute they land, just blow all the fuckers-up. They would not think twice about doing it to you, infidel!
Making us energy independent, sadly other countries are not as laser focused
Last time ai checked, Tunisia was half a continent away from Gibraltar.
Howard said...
No man is an island, Achilles. US oil companies are making money hand over fist and the little people will continue to pay through the nose at the pump because of global supply and demand. We need the Straight Hormones open as well.
The US and Canada have the ability to extract oil at the 50-60$ per barrel threshold.
The price of gas in the US has already stabilized and never even got back to Biden era levels.
It is already coming back down to Trump era levels here in the US.
But Europe and China are already cancelling international flights. China is running out of food. Europe is a complete non-entity. Merz/Macron/Starmer are already facing calls to resign.
Trump isn't an island. He is leading a nation of the best people in the world against a bunch of globalist rulers and the peasants they abuse.
RCOCEAN II said...
So, other than helping his rich friends play the oil futures market, what is Trump doing? I think he's (after getting Bibi's OK and approval) just waiting for the US Marines to get to the Gulf. And then he'll restart the war.
Its allllll forrr theee jooooooooosssssss!!!!!!
You are such a laughable retard.
RCOCEAN II said...
According to the Iranians the deal was both sides drop their blockade. Trump than announces he will keep the blockade on Iranians ships. So, the Iranians have re-closed the strait to everyone.
The Iranians also say they won't give up their enriched Uranium to the USA. That's a non-starter.
The Mullahs are such noble heroes to you.
Why haven't you signed up for the IRGC? Sounds like they could use some help.
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As real as the stick figger ayatollah
Oh lookee here. Just looked at the middle east news and Israel "Soldiers" aka Gangsters just killed 2 UNICEF workers bringing clean water to GAZA. They've murdered over 600 Gazans since the so-called Ceasefire.
Its amazing how the IDF cant fight man to man, but only kill little kids, old women, Aid workers and bomb targets from the air. But talk to any US Congressmen and they were break into tears at the fearless "Bravery" of the IDF. LOL!
Why the Huckster in Jerusalem said israel's military is more ethical than America's. Which says a lot about Mike Huckster.
The word “Iran” has no meaning anymore other than a designation of geography.
It’s not under the control of a leader or group of leaders anymore.
It’s the third string fighting each other now.
https://x.com/Defensa_Israel/status/2045558402244296834
RCO: Oh lookee here. Just looked at the middle east news and Israel "Soldiers" aka Gangsters just killed 2 UNICEF workers bringing clean water to GAZA. They've murdered over 600 Gazans since the so-called Ceasefire.
Oh lookee where? You spread so many steaming piles of bovine extrusions that the safe assumption is that you are lying and/or badly mistaken.
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Professor, I renew my plea for RCO to be banned. His constant hatred for all things Jewish is really sickening and adds nothing of value to the conversation.
I'm not interested in educating dishonest hostile Zionists. Learn how to Google. Hilarious the way you characters set yourself up as "Internet Judges". Yes, I'll try to show you my source your honor. LOL.
But nice derail. But still no defense of Israeli war crimes.
Well that's settled. Just more Jew-hatred spew from RCO.
And particularly self-defeating stupidity in this case. You could have done a lot less typing embedding a hyperlink — that almost certainly doesn't exist — than that para of vile spittle you spewed not educating me.
"I'm not interested in educating dishonest hostile Zionists. "
Your incessant posting says otherwise.
IRGC excels at firing at unarmed civilians.
Terrorists are pussies in the worst sort of way.
Anybody making excuses for them is an embarrassment to humanity. They are violent, and cowards, simultaneously. Attacking the vulnerable, the weak, and the helpless is their go-to move.
Iran's decision to close the Straits. Iran's... Iran's...
Wait. The government of Iran? The will of the people of Iran? Hard line Islamists? (redundant phrase, but...) The head of the IGRC? SOme unknown functionaary in Tehran- or in some provincial city?
Who or what faction in Iran is running the s--tshow?
I don't know. No one commenting here knows. Heck, Trump doesn't know, nor does anyone in our government, including the deep state Trump haters trying to sabotage at very opportunity.
But every time, every single time, someone in Iran does something stupid like this, it strengthens the actions Trump is about to take. Whatever they are,
Cuba's upcoming liberation is going to be lit. Does anyone doubt that's on tap?
"...Tunisia controls strait of Gibraltar with 300 vessels daily including 30-40 tankers....."
Umm.... Gibraltar and Spain on one side, and Morocco is on the other. Tunisia is about 600 miles to the east, on the other side of Algeria. It does command one side of the Strait of Sicily, but I don't think they have much of a navy. I guess Morocco probably doesn't, either. But hey, Sicily is Italy, and Gibraltar is British, so they at least know what a navy looks like, on paper.
"Cuba's upcoming liberation is going to be lit. Does anyone doubt that's on tap?"
Democrats hardest hit.
RCOCEAN II said...
The Iranians also say they won't give up their enriched Uranium to the USA. That's a non-starter.
A lot people- including the Iranian "negotiators" and some here, seem to under the mistaken impression that these are negotiations between two equal nation-states to achieve a mutually agreeable outcome.
They're surrender negotiations with the winner dictating terms to the loser. Eventually someone on the Iranian side is going to figure this out. Each setback weakens Iranian chances to get anything they want.
Its astounding how I come on Althouse to have grown-up conversation about Israel, my country, and Iran and all I see is people with emotional issues or spouting propaganda or something they heard on Fox News.
If you want to delude yourself into thinking this war has anything to do with the average American, or we're "in the driver seat", or China/Russia are just weaklings who will bow before the mighty 'Murica, go for it.
I just hope all you characters go and buy oil futures at $80/barrel - it'll be easier for me to make money.
Its astounding how I come on Althouse to have grown-up conversation about Israel, my country, and Iran and all I see is people with emotional issues or spouting propaganda or something they heard on Fox News.
Bollocks.
You trade in pronunciamentos, retarded analogies, outright falsehoods, all while avoiding the casus belli as if it was the name that shall not be said.
And add ad hominem to your stinking heap.
Please do what Crack Emcee eventually did after 10/7 exposed his rotting soul and bugger off.
Your rotting soul was on prominent display, as well.
Consider your Jew-hating self educated.
RCOCEAN II said...
Its astounding how I come on Althouse to have grown-up conversation about Israel, my country, and Iran and all I see is people with emotional issues or spouting propaganda or something they heard on Fox News.
If you want to delude yourself into thinking this war has anything to do with the average American, or we're "in the driver seat", or China/Russia are just weaklings who will bow before the mighty 'Murica, go for it.
I just hope all you characters go and buy oil futures at $80/barrel - it'll be easier for me to make money.
LOL!
Its the jooooossss!!!!
Also grown-up!
And jooooss!!!
Prediction: RCO scarpers.
Second prediction: not nearly far, or long, enough.
We're counting their guns.
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