The video, recorded in January by an employee of the bar, showed Agostina Páez imitating a monkey and uttering a racist slur as she walked away.... Ms. Páez has said, online and in interviews, that the bar overcharged her and two Argentine friends. Then, as the women left, she claimed, the employees made obscene gestures toward them.
Security camera footage from the bar, reviewed by The New York Times, appears to show an employee taunting the tourists as they were leaving the bar.
Here's the seemingly trivial interplay:
A statement from the prosecutor: "Brazil is being painted as this authoritarian country when we are only seeking justice for the harm done."
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Brazil is, obviously, an authoritarian country.
They are holding foreigners hostage and trying to extort money from democratic countries. Legalized kidnapping for ransom, and nothing more.
I'm only seeing the monkey looking males acting like monkeys.
Neighbors:
Argentina: Overwhelmingly white and the retirement camp for WW2 Nazis.
Brazil: Lots of black slaves and a the last country in the world to officially end slavery in 1888.
"Brazil is being painted as this authoritarian country because of course we are an authoritarian country."
Fixed it for the unnamed prosecutor.
Apparently Brazil hates tourism and wants to crush it. It's like Venezuela in slow motion. Marxists are insane.
God forbid a male be out-done by a female.
Guards - seize her!
Justice for the harm done? What harm? Did he get his masculine pride hurt when the women didn't just take his taunts and slink away? What is the price to fix that?
Javier Millei's words from a few days ago continue to reverberate. "The left is built on envy, hatred, resentment, and unequal treatment under the law. ..."
Alexandre de Moraes, the Voldemort of Brazilian justices, is the one that has been pressuring the justice system to forgo free speech principles, suspending X nationwide, suspending individual social media accounts as well as the arbiter of matters of truth and so on. Can Brazil really afford to impose these kinds of attacks on tourism? I guess we'll see.
Would she be charged if she wasn't White? Sounds like institutional racism.
That’s the kind of Davos globalist export reaction right-thinking Americans have been trying to prevent taking deep root here. Reminders about that silly old document seem to help…sometimes…
The unelected tyrants in Brazil wear black robes.
Diversity? Damn leftists. Strong women who don't take a knee to toxic masculinity, probably.
Freedom of Speech is one of the things that sets America apart from the rest of the world.
Free Speech makes America great. That’s why the Left hates it.
International Communism traded class for race to reinvigorate itself. The class struggle was played out.
Put Brazil on the list of places I will never visit, along with the UK.
De moraes originally jailed lula until he was needed
Bagoh,
She is not white. She is argentine that make her "brown". In the us she would be "hispanic"
The waiter, being Brazilian, would not be, under most legal definitions.
Though a couple legal definitions do include Brazilians.
There is a good sta
Istical chance that the argentine woman is of Italian descent. Also a lesser statistical chance that Italian is her first language
As a brown person, how can she be racist?
John henry
Lula was in prison for corruption. Bolsonaro, a right-winger, was elected. The judiciary flipped that around. Lula is back in power, and now Bolsonaro is in prison. And the corruption is back.
We'll be lucky if we can avoid Brazil's fate.
A good lawyer could probably plead her down to just flipping the guy off.
narciso said...
De moraes originally jailed lula until he was needed
Brazil is run by Boasberg Sr.
This is what happens when you replace, “I know you are but what am I?” with laws that regulate speech.
I understand that it was sounds and motions, but it still woulda worked.
If that gets you arrested in Brazil, I'm not going to Brazil.
“Harm” lol
"...justice for the harm done...".
I so hope the poor lad doesn't commit suicide from the "harm done". Irreparable harm, no doubt about it. For sure he'll be unable to ever work again and should be on (generous) public assistance for the remainder of his now crippled life. I call for vast sums of public money for (re) education. Perhaps cutting diplomatic ties to Argentina until that country repents, apologizes and offers Dane geld.
Lord what a world where THIS is a harm worthy of imprisonment.
Repeat after me. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me.
Did the increase in bullying come before or after doing away with this approach to life.
After
DARVO - the movie.
She was subjected to a sexist insult. Which cuts closest to the bone: a sexist or a racist insult?......I would say that women in Brazilian and Argentine communities should band together and demand redress for the harm this woman suffered. Sisterhood is powerful.......Or maybe everyone should just dismiss this as a case of two assholes confronting each other. The moral here is that people should not act like assholes......But conjoined assholes can form a black hole that suck all into their event horizon. Perhaps Melee or whatever his name is can threat to bomb Brazil back to the Stone Ages, or Lulu can nationalize all Argentine held assets in Brazil. The important thing is not to back down. National as well as racial pride is involved.
El destino de Agotina.
What harm was done?
Remember, all cultures are equal.
It wouldn’t be good for Brazil’s tourism to make a mountain out of a molehill. Argentina’s Javier Milei could go ‘trumpista’ on a minor incident, garnering him easy political points at home.
a black hole that suck
Back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP at the intersection of racism and sexism. Now, that is Diversitist with "benefits"... uh, benefits.
Reason number 10,486,345 why the First Amendment is a big fucking deal.
“A statement from the prosecutor: "Brazil is being painted as this authoritarian country….”
And that’s not fair. This incident isn’t authoritarianism, it’s totalitarianism.
Brazilians are filthy macacos. Remember what they did to Ryan Lochte, who did nothing wrong (I’m serious)
“Freedom of Speech is one of the things that sets America apart from the rest of the world”
Free speech isn’t just a legal peculiarity of the USA, or even an American civil right; it’s a human right that belongs to all humans everywhere
The Left and the ADL would love the same kind of laws here in the USA. Thank God, for the 1st Admendment. I wonder, if under Brazlian Law, the women had not retalitated. Could they have had the employee arrested for making an obscene gesture? Probably not.
BTW, several people from South America have told me the Argentinians are disliked. They're regarded as arrogant, and often abrasive. I wonder what these girls did, that caused the empoyees behavior. Or did they just walk into the wrong bar in the wrong neighborhood?
@John henry: She is not white. She is argentine that make her "brown". In the us she would be "hispanic"
No. There are white Hispanics and there are non-white Hispanics. There are black Hispanics too. Argentines are white Hispanics.
Argentina was populated by Europeans and is primarily white (e.g., 78% to 97% depending on how you count it). They consciously sought to be more white and stay more white versus other regional countries.
Mexicans and Cubans frequently bred with the natives and are largely mixed-race "browns", but there are plenty of whites too.
Hispanic is a fuzzy DEI concept that pertains to Spanish speakers and the descendants of Spanish colonials. It'd include the Portuguese too, as culturally closer to Spain than the UK/USA.
It's always dangerous to visit a communist country. I did it once and stayed on alert every second. East Germany.
Brazil is basically Xis puppet under Lula, something Tucket used to remember as long as a few years ago,
Enigma said...
“There are white Hispanics and there are non-white Hispanics. There are black Hispanics too. Argentines are white Hispanics.”
That may have been true back when the checkbox was added next to the list of races, but have you interacted with any of the racial bean counters in any organization in the last two decades? Hispanic is treated as its own racial bucket.
“Hispanic is a fuzzy DEI concept that pertains to Spanish speakers and the descendants of Spanish colonials. It'd include the Portuguese too, as culturally closer to Spain than the UK/USA.”
Hispanic is an adjective that means pertaining to the Spanish people or culture. The equivalent for the Portuguese is Lusitanic. I don’t think they would be too fond of being considered an appendage of the Spanish. You might be thinking of Latino (separate from Latin).
I, for one, look forward to some future date where humanity develops interspecies hybrids and racism thereby becomes a thing of the past. We can all look down on cat/human hybrids working as bar girls, yeah! Give me some of that "The Ballad of Lost C'Mell" (1962) by Cordwainer Smith. Let racism like democracy die in the dark.
"Brazil is being painted as this authoritarian country when we are only seeking justice for the harm done."
You ARE an authoritarian country, and no actual harm was done.
"Hurting someone's feelings" isn't an actual harm. Grow up you pathetic losers
Oh, and if they wanted to "end harm", they'd start with the "employee taunting the tourists"
Enigma said...
Brazil: Lots of black slaves and a the last country in the world to officially end slavery in 1888.
Saudi Arabia outlawed slavery in 1962. The Talaban legalized slavery in Afghanistan this year.
@Rocco:
With one research job I was tasked with rolling up employee racial groups. I learned of federal policies, and later followed the topic to see where the standards were going. Corporate policies may differ from federal policies. The federal "Check All That Apply" race/ethnicity option began with the year 2000 census. You've got the timeline and logic reversed.
The bean counters indeed would place anything "Spanish like" into the Hispanic category. They used the official label Hispanic, not Latino, Chicano, etc. If a person didn't self-identify they'd use "visual" determinations -- best guess based on surface appearance. That crowd would CERTAINLY lump Portuguese in with Spanish aka Hispanic. There was even a written logic table for how to collapse "half X and half Y".
The Biden DEI crowd was anxious about the impact of appearance discrimination (to include "color" beyond race/ethnicity). A black Hispanic would indeed be higher on the grievance hierarchy than a white Hispanic. Biden literally gave more gifts to anyone "black", Hispanic or not. This logic was recently revised per Biden's OMB 2024 SPD-15 racial category revamp:
https://spd15revision.gov/content/spd15revision/en/2024-spd15.html
The DEI people painted themselves into a corner -- claiming these categories were about social appearance and discrimination per the "race is just a social construct" thesis. At the same time, all federal agencies with a bio component (medical) used the same categories to track race-specific medical conditions such as sickle cell disease, osteoporosis, etc.
@AndrewV: Okay. Fair enough. I was focused on the primary global trade era. The regional stuff has never gone away.
Enigma said...
“The federal "Check All That Apply" race/ethnicity option began with the year 2000 census. You've got the timeline and logic reversed.”
When I mentioned the checkbox, I meant where you would have a list of races where you could only select one. Separately (but equal, I guess) there was a check box for ‘of Hispanic ancestry’ or similar verbiage. That has gone away, replaced by Hispanic (or Latino) as a race in its own right.
“If a person didn't self-identify they'd use "visual" determinations -- best guess based on surface appearance. ”
Sounds like government clerks in the segregated South trying to determine if they were dealing with a White, mixed, or Black person.
“That crowd would CERTAINLY lump Portuguese in with Spanish aka Hispanic.”
Just another example that governmentese may look like English, but is clearly a separate language.
Hispanic has been listed as a separate question. Race was in one list (i.e., White, Black or African American, Asian, American Indian or Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander). Before 2000 it was a single decision; following Tiger Woods and the rise of multi-racial thinking, it became "Check All That Apply."
Exact words of the 2005 SF-181 form:
Are You Hispanic or Latino? (A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other
Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.)
https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf
In 2024 they sought to split off Middle Eastern or North African (MENA) From "White." Given the rejection of all things attempted by Biden, I'm not sure what will happen.
Don't look for logic, look for political advantage...
Wasn’t the employee making a crude aggressive sexually harassing gesture and comment?
Actual harm…hmmm. Are women more likely to be harmed by being put in fear of sexual assault and/or being subjected to misogynistic insults, or are men more likely to be harmed by being put in fear that women have insulted their race?
So many of you are missing the point. This happened in Brazil, so US government racial categories don’t apply. Brazil is punishing free speech, and punishing this Argentine woman for being white, or at least whiter than most Brazilians
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