The company said on Wednesday that it would stop measuring the favorability rating of individual political figures, which “reflects an evolution in how Gallup focuses its public research and thought leadership,” after 88 years. “Our commitment is to long-term, methodologically sound research on issues and conditions that shape people’s lives”....
Do we believe that? I should take a poll, but my polls are not methodologically sound research. Are Gallup's? I can't help suspecting that Gallup has been trying to undermine Trump and it's worried about being called to account.
As The Guardian notes, Trump is litigious. Just last month he wrote: "The Times Siena Poll, which is always tremendously negative to me, especially just before the Election of 2024, where I won in a Landslide, will be added to my lawsuit against The Failing New York Times."
The threat of litigation alone may have cowed Gallup, but the threat is particularly scary if you really have been rigging the polls. To quit your long practice — 88 years! — of polling on presidential popularity makes you look as though you don't believe in the soundness of your own methods. Another possibility is that you're finding sound methods impossible, perhaps because people who like Trump don't talk to pollsters too much anymore.
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Another possibility is that you're finding sound methods impossible, perhaps because people who like Trump don't talk to pollsters too much anymore.
That is a lot of it. But it's also the dogs not liking the dog food.
Gallup is now based in Omaha. The Clifton family owns it. They do way more than polling, but I’m not sure exactly what. Strength finders is a big business line.
FWIW I’d say “both” is an excellent option.
Most political polls are garbage. People who don't like republicans (they are threats to democracy, don't you know) produce polls that are unfavorable to republicans. It goes at least back to the days of Reagan.
Quality polling is expensive, and politics is now covered by many sources. In addition, betting markets are used to assess odds and popularity. Finally, poll and survey quality has declined decade after decade because of aggressive saturation, a huge shift from telephones to email and texting, mistrust of strangers / spam, etc. etc. etc.
If Gallup can't be or won't pay to be among the best polling firms, it makes sense to move on.
This is a business. Is the Presidential Poll making them money or not? Perhaps it never did and its primary function was advertising other aspects of the business. Good chance something changed the economics of running the poll.
During the 2024 election season, the average response rate to political polls was about 4%. You can't get a randoms sample with a 4% response rate. No random sample, means no meaningful data. So the pollster has to use a "fudge" factor. Lefty pollsters use fudge factors that fit their political interests or pre-concieved notions. Like I said, garbage.
My cousin works at Gallup. It pays well.
It could just be that they rode that horse too hard and put 'em away wet
Another possibility is that you're finding sound methods impossible, perhaps because people who like Trump don't talk to pollsters too much anymore.
I know this is the go-to excuse for why polling for Trump is often wildly inaccurate but just getting responses doesn't seem to be an issue for Rasmussen or Atlas, among others.
As to it being a 'business decision', well, reporting that Trump is actually popular could have an impact on their business as well.
https://insideradvantage.com/
Shows Trump at +1
Yah, it’s become too difficult to cook them in favor of their preferred party…
I see what you did there Howard…
"Thought leadership" is the scariest phrase, I am sure that Goebbels considered himself a "thought leader" too.
I’ve never been called by anyone doing presidential polls. I’ve had the same number since I got my first mobile phone but I’ve given money to conservatives. Maybe they cherrypick the numbers? That wouldn’t be scientific, would it?
Another possibility is that they”re finding Trump’s favorability rating is going up and they’d rather kill the poll than report that.
Tell me who pays for the polling, and whether it covers Gallup's costs. I think there you will find your answer. They are not a non-profit organization.
Giddy up, Gallup. (Speaking of old timey phrases.)
BTW, I was polled a couple of weeks ago on Trump and on ICE. First such call in 20+ years. In the past they asked income level. They dropped that and asked for education level only.
Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.
In polling, show me the framing of the question and I’ll show you results (beforehand).
…now the propaganda polls bury the methodology as if nobody’s looking for it. Gallup must not want to bother with even that much effort…
Yah, it’s become too difficult to cook them
What if you don’t cook them, make yourself an outlier among the 20 or so other polls, and appear “inaccurate” to prospective customers?
Most of these firms polling presidential approval are news organizations and universities. Gallup has a different business model.
"Trump leading in polls, despite huge opposition and unfavourability!"
Remember that time that it leaked that one of Clinton's advisors, I think, or Gore's, gave the polling companies a list of towns to poll in Floridia that would boost up the Democrats's numbers?
Funny how since Florida fixed its voting safeguards after that national embarrassment, it became a red state over night, when it had been "trending blue," "Trending blue" = "growing vote fraud" is one inference that might be drawn.
Trump's ratings on immigration tumble as Americans lose confidence in his top issue ~ NBC News
A 61% disapproval for Trump is a pretty historic level of disapproval.
Not to mention Trump and his family made almost $𝟒 𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 off the presidency last year.
"Before President Donald Trump's first term, he was in a "tight spot" financially, according to New Yorker writer David Kirkpatrick. At the start of his second term, David says, Trump was in an "even tighter" spot. But after just six months into his second term, Trump's financial situation started looking really good.
David has done a full accounting for what the family has been up to, and even using conservative estimates, David says Trump and his family have made almost $4 billion dollars "off of the presidency," in just about a year."
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/14/nx-s1-5677024/trump-profits-merch-hotels-crypto
Perhaps the last Gallup Presidential Approval poll from December, which showed a 36% approval rating, was rigged in Trump’s favor and Gallup realized that was unsustainable.
It would have been especially embarrassing if Trump sued Gallup and pretrial discovery showed that Gallup was rigging the approval polls in his favor.
I never found “approval rating” that useful of a poll. People are discussing this in relation to Trump, but look at Congress. How many years has Congress been close to 3 to 1 unfavorable? How much has changed because of it? I get that part of the issue for Congress is many people hate Congress but love their representative. Or at least that’s the claim. I’m not sure I buy that anymore.
If favorability meant anything, Kier Starmer would be gone.
Same old crap, pretend that if you don't measure it, it doesn't exist...
“In polling, show me the framing of the question and I’ll show you results (beforehand).”
The poll I answered was very straight forward.
The first question was whether I was in my car and if it was safe to ask me questions. In fact I was in my car and the polling organization said they would call me back. They called the next day and were very professional.
Very unusual.
There are lies, damned lies, and political polls.
According to the DOJ -- the stock market is in fact the economy.
Gaslighting is the glue that holds their house of cards together....
Google and Apple must have the most accurate polls scraping a billion phones data 24/7. We don't get to see the accurate polls.
The polling results aren't serving the "thought leadership" mission.
Like the legacy media, their mission is not to inform, but to instruct.
No one trust the polls any longer. It won't stop the explosion of them. And it won't stop the media amplifying the ones they choose to amplify and pooh-poohing the others they want squelched a bit.
Gallup will now depend on AI, like everyone else. Everything may...or may not be true. Good luck to all.
Remember when the stock market was going to tank because of Trump's tariffs?
Maybe that USAID money is drying up.
"Before President Donald Trump's first term, he was in a "tight spot" financially, according to New Yorker writer David Kirkpatrick. At the start of his second term, David says, Trump was in an "even tighter" spot. But after just six months into his second term, Trump's financial situation started looking really good.’
I’m sure David has had the requisite access to Trump’s private financial info to make those sweeping assessments. lol
Same old kak, note that if you don't read his shit, he doesn't exist...
’Remember when the stock market was going to tank because of Trump's tariffs?’
Tariffs have destroyed the economy so the DOW should crash back down to 20k any day now. All the experts agree!!
I think it's a bit late. We all see Trumpism now.
The ‘home of the free and the land of the brave' has 'secret police' running around the streets in masks detaining, assaulting and killing people.
You can't drawdown from that.
Beast: Trump bragged about how much money his first presidency cost him: The sainted untainted opposite of Debbie Wasserman Pelosi. He has since many lucrative deals go through that MAGA all bragged about. He's taking DNC stock picking to the next order of magnitude. All legal, no doubt. Props.
If I got a call on my cell that IDd the caller as GALLUP CORP or some similar name, I'd immediately assume it was a fake ID spammer.
I only answer calls from callers I recognize. I listen to other callers' messages at my convenience.
Leave it to Kak and Left Bank to jump in on a thread on the cause of the demise of Gallup's presidential polling with a bunch of hand-picked polls they believe certify their position. Any minute now I expect Inga to arrive with her epic Iowa poll again, claiming this time, for real, it's about to come true.
The caller ID said “We’re begging you, please answer our poll.” (jk)
"Not to mention Trump and his family made almost $𝟒 𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 off the presidency last year."
Not just them, though. I'd say most of us have done pretty well in the last year!
I can't help suspecting that Gallup has been trying to undermine Trump and it's worried about being called to account
You were pretty slow figuring it out, but welcome to the party. There’s still beer in the fridge and a few slices of pizza you can heat up in the microwave.
Valid polling methods are extremely hard to do now that we've cut landlines and people screen out calls from unfamiliar numbers. Think of how badly election polls were off in 2010, 2016, 2022, 2024.
Polling based on questions like " Do you think this is the golden age?"
Are very accurate. LOL.
Not just them, though. I'd say most of us have done pretty well in the last year!’
I made a few billion last year and got to run around in the streets wearing a mask while assaulting and killing people!! Would recommend!
Iman said...
Same old kak, note that if you don't read his shit, he doesn't exist...
2/12/26, 8:02 AM
Kak may as well be a DNC bot. "2000 point drop!" Oh, the Dow I setting records? Then stocks no longer matter. If anything President Trump should look for ways to get richer while cutting off the welfare payments to DNC groups. Which he has been doing.
Biden-ism - the age of corruption.
Back in the day, Neilsen Media Research sent around mailers and asked people to complete TV watching diaries. They included a $1 bill with a "Thank You" sticker. I completed one or two of those long, long ago.
In the last couple years they dusted off their ancient records, and sent me some junk mail. I filed it in the trash. They then sent an agent to break perimiter security and knock on my door. The guy left a doorhanger with his name and a request to participate. I filed it in the trash.
He knocked again and asked if I received the doorhanger. I said yes, and "Get out. Don't ever break security again."
Polling ain't what it used to be.
’Remember when the stock market was going to tank because of Trump's tariffs?’
Trump "claimed" that he was 'going to do something about inflation'
but Because of Trump, inflation (of stock prices) is HIGHER THAN EVER!
Bring Back Biden! Bring Back Affordable Stock Prices!
The late Scott Adams was quite outspoken that the polls were just as fake as the news.
Yeah, I would have to reveal their methodology in discovery and everybody would find out that Gallup isn’t actually a pole but it’s just Democrat propaganda. They can’t do that so the only obvious step is to stop taking the poll.
It’s just another lover of control that the global elite are going to lose.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
Perhaps the last Gallup Presidential Approval poll from December, which showed a 36% approval rating, was rigged in Trump’s favor ...
Well, there's a first time for everything.
I got one or two polling calls back when I lived in Iowa and had an actual landline. I don't recall any since then that have not looked like a partisan outfit.
My first pass answer is it is hard and getting harder to do good polling, so if there are going to be legal consequences to getting it wrong, then it's not worth the risk.
Pete Townsend 1971
There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are effaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new Constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again, no, no
Yeah
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
Does Gallup ever claim their polls are accurate?
"’Remember when the stock market was going to tank because of Trump's tariffs?’"
That was then, this is now, now "The stock market is not the economy"
Not sure what it will be tomorrow:
The unemployment rate in the U.S. decreased to 4.3% in January 2026, down from 4.4% in December 2025. This reflects a decline in the number of unemployed individuals and an increase in total employment —DDG AI Assist
"Well, unemployment is not the best measure of economic well being, you know, because lower unemployment,and less competition for jobs from illegal aliens, well that means higher wages, and that's not good for us rent seekers , you know, like Kak."
So much fake information lost like tears in rain.
He’s lump…
I just don't know. I "thought" Gallup was as independent as they come, not connected to either party or ideology.
So much of this modern world that I think I understand, I wonder if I do not understand.
Oh well, back to work.
If Gallup is not comfortable with the accuracy of its Presidential Poll, what does that say about its accuracy on other issues?
I've come to believe that polling has become about shaping opinion, instead of accurately sampling it. I came to this conclusion as a person taking a poll on the phone, or reading poll questions - they are all about establishing a direction, with questions. At least, when the polls are about political or social issues affecting society.
Now, it might be that the 'Presidential Approval' poll cannot, by design, be used for this purpose, hence it's being done away with. Or maybe it's because the legacy MSM is withering on the vine, as one might expect from any institution that has torpedoed its trust.
In any case, it won't stop another reputable organization from taking up the issue and turning it into a product. It's not a question that is going away.
Crime rates have generally been falling, but there was a step change drop in 2025, now the "thought leaders" in the media are ignoring that "step change" and telling us that Trump can't claim any credit for it.
“Our commitment is to long-term, methodologically sound research on issues and conditions that shape people’s lives”
Focusing on issues instead of politicians sounds like a good idea to me, as long as the pros and cons are illuminated in the result. It de-personalizes the information. However, I have no idea what “methodologically sound research” means in this day and age.
There is no way to get a truly random sampling when some people want to be polled and some do not, or some want to be honest and some have another agenda. The sample is always going to have some reason (bias) why it includes who it does.
Kak, the difference between Pelosi et alia profiting, and Trump, is so simple even you can grasp it. It's "value for money". That's why we don't fret about it.
Polling doesn't reflect what people are thinking about issues. Polling shows whether or not the current narrative(lies) that is being pushed is effective.
Juicing the polls helps justify their grift.
Leland,
"part of the issue for Congress is many people hate Congress but love their representative"
Even in those distant past times when I was able to vote for the winning candidate, It was not a case of me loving my representative, but rather loathing than less than the alternative.
I don't think that's fixable, and I don't even necessarily think it's a bad thing - - If politics in reality is a necessary evil, what else would you expect?
US businesses and consumers pay 90% of tariff costs, New York Fed says ~ FT
“Central bank’s research undercuts Donald Trump’s claims that foreign companies will pay for levies. Tariffs do not transfer wealth from foreigners to Americans. They transfer wealth from American consumers to the US Treasury,”
Can't make it clearer really.
"Can't make it clearer really."
So how many factories do we send overseas, and how many jobs do we send overseas by lowering tariffs? A lot.
You seem to support these overseas wars that the globalists start, but you don't seem to care whether we have the industrial base to fight them. How many artillery shells, which require a lot of steel, do the Russians and Chines make, how many do we make?
When we push manufacturing to China, they create factories that push out EVs like a Pez dispenser, how many missiles do you think they have made and stockpiled?
You want to eat your cake with cheap overseas labor, and have it too, with the US having the manufacturing base to support your desired overseas military adventurism.
Grow up, Kak.
From what I have seen democrat socialists do not have an independent thought in their head.
Remember when Joe Biden, Kak's urgent choice for POTUS, took a no-show job teaching at Penn for $1 million? This is called money laundering.
You know who gave him the million dollars? The guy he supported for Secretary of State who then went and ramped up the civil war in Ukraine, threatening Russia with Ukraine in NATO and nuclear weapons deployed on its soil a couple of hundred miles from Moscow, in order to force them to invade or simply surrender to the West. We thought it would be a cakewalk to collapse Russia, now Europe's economy is in tatters.
That's only one well documented example of the corruption of a politician that Kak endorsed.
Opinion polls - like POTUS approval - are much harder to get correct than voting polls. In voting the pollsters have zillions of years of data showing how voters support. And they can break it down by race, party, religion, sex, location, etc. Therefore, they can construct a sample which equals that of the electorate. And identify and eliminate outliers.
With opinions, there is no massive data base. And you need a sample that "looks like America" an incredibly difficult thing to do. Even worse, political views vary dramatically from one group to another. Errors are easy to make. And Pollsters usually "Weight their sample polls".
Adding to the whole problem is the refusal of many people to tell the truth or talk about political matters with strangers.
I think people wised up and realized that the Pollsters are NOT trying to discover what the Public thinks. Instead they're using polls to manipulate the public.
What has turned me against the cabal running the US is that they have brought home the same political jiggery pokery that they used overseas to interfere in elections. For instance, Navalny was not only a nazi, but heavily funded to run in Russian elections by the US. Probably with USAID money.
The majority in Taiwan's parliament is from the party that wants reunification with China. You read that right. We manipulate the elections so that they can't get a president that supports it elected, which would be a disaster, because we would lose our 'unsinkable aircraft carrier" of that island in the war we seek with China.
Approval ratings are not worth much because elections are about preferences. I approve of about half what Trump does, and less of what he says. Did I prefer him over Biden or Harris. Hell yes.
"Federal government agents are gunning people down in the streets!"
I wonder if Lavoy Finicum and Craig Robertson would like to chime in? Oh wait: The Obama and Joe Biden administration had them gunned down in cold blood, while Kak and the rest of the left cheered and crowed about "they got what they deserved!"
Because when Democrats do it, it's always, but always, ok in Kai's view.
Just like deporting kids was fantastic when it was Elian Gonzalez being ripped from his family at gunpoint to be sent back to Cuba and communism. Every Democrat cheered that one!
The threat of litigation alone may have cowed Gallup, but the threat is particularly scary if you really have been rigging the polls.
Bingo.
To quit your long practice — 88 years! — of polling on presidential popularity makes you look as though you don't believe in the soundness of your own methods. Another possibility is that you're finding sound methods impossible, perhaps because people who like Trump don't talk to pollsters too much anymore.
Another possibility is, no matter how they try to rig their poll, they can't get it to be sufficiently negative for Trump, and they'd rather end it, then provide positive news for Trump.
I don't believe they can't ask enough question to weed out Democrat liars ("oh, I'm a lifelong Republican who voted for Trump 3 times, and I'm so anything with him and all Republicans now..."). I simply believe they're not willing to do it, because pushing the Left's narratives is what they do
we have more polls the people. One statistics course showed me how much they BS in polls.
Jaq said...
The majority in Taiwan's parliament is from the party that wants reunification with China. You read that right. We manipulate the elections so that they can't get a president that supports it elected, which would be a disaster, because we would lose our 'unsinkable aircraft carrier" of that island in the war we seek with China.
Yeah, Jaq, that's it! It's NOT that the CCP is "manipulating the elections" in Taiwan to get those "pro-reunification" parliamentarians elected, it's that the US is doing it to keep the poor people of Taiwan from electing a President who does what they want!
Are you really that much of a complete retard?
Oh, wait, you are just a scumbag. Which is why you don't try to claim that the majority of VOTERS want "reunification" with the CCP and CCP mastery of Taiwan like what they did to Hong Kong, because you know THAT claim would be blown up instantly.
Do you ever think it might be nice to not be a worthless piece of shit?
One of the polling tricks that have gotten popular lately is the use of contract polls.
Most polling companies take on polling for private organizations. Rasmussen is an example. You’ve seen several polls lately under the Rasmussen label showing Trump with very low approval levels. These are invariably contract polls. Rasmussen is doing the mechanical work of conducting the poll, tabulating the data and so on. But the poll itself is designed by the contractor, typically some political organization you’ve barely heard of. Or a big media company. They are the ones deciding such things as what questions are asked, in what sequence, and so on. There are a million tricks to frame these in a way that bias the result toward the answer you want. If you’ve ever studied polling, you know exactly what I mean. Polls on abortion get very different results based simply on how you frame the question. Or you can bias the answers by framing them with a statement like “Trump has been accused over the years of stealing candy from babies, do you consider him capable to ….
Grok is pretty good at identify these contract polls if you ask the right questions. Fun fact of the day: many of these low approval Trump polls are contract polls.
I pay little attention to polls at this point in the election cycle except to amuse myself as to how and who are manipulating them. It’s fun if you’ve got nothing better to do.
I’ve not heard that Gallup thinks their methods are unsound. I am pretty sure they have ended this type of polling because they don’t want a lawsuit. Which is odd because why would anyone sue a polling firm? They just report the results and Gallup is not considered left of center [All Sides rates them as ‘center’]. So, Gallup is being preemptive. Looking at their recent polls at the end of a president’s term they showed Biden at 41% in 2024 compared to Trump at 46% in 2020. While both are hardly stellar numbers the Biden numbers are worse and most would say accurate. This country is 50/50 and so any poll that shows Trump 45 to 50 is accurate. Did they do a poll that showed him in the 35% to 40% range? But we have to get over the belief that a poll we agree with is accurate and a poll we don’t agree with is inaccurate. I read both the left and the right say this all the time. The only true poll is voting results. But most of us do like to see approval ratings polls.
It’s become harder for these organizations to keep up the scam as the actual election results differ more and more from their published propaganda. Lately the playbook has been to come out with a final poll just before the election with somewhat more realistic data to save face. However, even this has become more difficult for them to do as the left has become increasingly radicalized.
The problem is so obvious that even Democrats have to hire private pollsters for realistic data because they know organizations like Gallup are nothing but propaganda tools of the left.
All political polls are rigged to one degree or another and it will often enough occur accidentally in one direction even if we find that one unbiased political pollster since the people who answer polls questions are, themselves, biased.
I don't think Gallup was scared of being sued but the favorability polling kept showing Trump at about the same level or above as every other President of my lifetime at this point in his Presidential cycle. In other words, it was meaningless and not harming Trump at all.
Matt said...
.."I’ve not heard that Gallup thinks their methods are unsound. I am pretty sure they have ended this type of polling because they don’t want a lawsuit"..
your conclusion doesn't follow.. IF their methods are sound.
Yancey Ward said...
.."I don't think Gallup was scared of being sued,
but the favorability polling kept showing Trump at about the same level or above as every other President of my lifetime at this point in his Presidential cycle"..
and THERE You Have IT!
They quit publishing favorablity polls* because THEY didn't like results.
quit publishing favorablity polls*
you'd HAVE TO BE stupid, if you really think they quit DOING them.
IF/When the numbers show what THEY WANT (Trump==BAD!),
polls will magically return, with NO MENTION of them EVER being gone
Polls are redundant. Presidential approval can be estimated by familiarity with the output of the leftmediaswine.
Automaton Influencers garner greater authority.
They’ve quit trying to shape people’s opinions to their own.
How to judge public opinion... always a good question. Polls, obviously, no longer work.
Have you ever sat down and written a letter to a congresscritter? Staffers actually read those. Rarely the actual officeholder, they get a summary of what people are writing about. In the early days of email and email was quite an effective way to communicate with the. Trust me, I had experience. Now? Unless you have access to their private email, an email is meaningless. Staffers screen all the emails for constituents with actual problems that need addressing, but aside from that, you're going to get nothing but a canned response, if you get that.
Let's talk pubic opinion on deportation. The average person- what do they think? I think it's pretty obvious- deport EVERYONE here unlawfully. Everyone, man, woman, child, and babe-in-arms. Right now the media and paid influencers are trying really hard to find "sympathetic" figures that us deport everyone types will say, "Well, let's make an exception here..." Nope, no exceptions. The big one now is the Irishman here unlawfully for 2 decades, with a newly minted American wife, working with a job. Why, he's even white! Surely you want to keep him, he's just like you! (as if all us deport all of them types are all white...) Well, he's not just like me. He's a lawbreaker. Kick him out! But, but, he's in detention! It's awful, he's lost his freedom! Yeah, well, he can get it back by voluntarily getting on a plane and returning to his homeland- Ireland. He's in detention of his own accord because he won't do that. I have no sympathy.
There's another way to gauge popular opinion. Look at the viewpoints being censored by the social media gatekeepers. If it's being censored- it's what the people are actually thinking.
Kirk Parker,
I don’t disagree. I originally wrote two more paragraphs of a rant about John Cornyn. I never voted for him in a primary, can’t stand him as a senator, but he is better than the Dem alternative. I deleted the rant to keep my comment focused.
“peachy said...
Polling based on questions like " Do you think this is the golden age?"
Are very accurate. LOL.”
This. I imagine methods could be found to produce accurate, informative, polling if the pollsters had the will and professionalism.
As with journalism, it’s the singer, not the song (since we’re quoting Townsend).
The problem is that tariffs are partially plugging the budget hole of the tax cuts. What will happen if SCOTUS rules them illegal? It will not be easy to replace them across the board with other instruments, and Congress is unlikely to vote for them, as we have seen.
Trump never considers the second or third order effect of his actions. Going into the 2026 mid-terms he has functionally imposed a substantial consumption tax on American consumers. This is similar in some ways to Trump's immigration crackdown, which for all practical purposes is a taxpayer funded jobs program for the unemployable to harass the employed. The net effect of his policies is slower growth and a poorer country. His unprecedented levels of theft and corruption also isn't great for economic growth.
"Do you ever think it might be nice to not be a worthless piece of shit?"
So you don't think that the US manipulates elections abroad? And your proof is that anybody who thinks that we do is "piece of shit"?
Sorry, I don't find that argument convincing. Why would the people of Taiwan volunteer to be the next Ukraine? I can understand the leadership, who don't give a flying fig about what the people think, but why would your average Joe in Taiwan want such a war?
That's an easy question I am sure you have an answer to, that I can't think of.
Japan claims that they would be economically strangled if China gained control of Taiwan, like the Pacific is not the largest ocean in the world, and like ships have limited range. Obviously there are other reasons for wanting control of Taiwan, and they have to do with the same reason that Imperial Japan took the island from China in the first place, to launch an invasion that cost millions of Chinese lives in WWII.
These are assertions of fact, but feel free to refute them.
The nice thing about chess is that the players don't have to appeal to the audience that the only reason that they are talking a square is that the other side is evil.
The real "pieces of shit" are the people constantly pushing endless wars in countries where noon comes at midnight here.
Kakistocracy said...
Trump never considers the second or third order effect of his actions.
Ah, the joys of leftist projection.
Going into the 2026 mid-terms he has functionally imposed a substantial consumption tax on American consumers.
If he had, then inflation would be at Biden levels or higher, which it isn't.
What he's done is impose a tax of foreign producers, who've had to eat the tariffs in order to keep on selling in the US. But what he's also accomplished is increased jobs from production in the US (more employment for Americans) while deporting a bunch of illegals (less competition for goods and services for Americans).
So it a great economy for American workers, American consumers, and especially renters, and not as good for employers (fewer cheap workers & fewer easily abused illegal workers), slumlords (fewer illegals willing to cram into crappy housing for high prices), and landlords in general (since the competition for housing is down).
Currently looking to be a good midterm election
Jaq said...
"Do you ever think it might be nice to not be a worthless piece of shit?"
So you don't think that the US manipulates elections abroad?
I'm not a delusional lunatic so I don't believe that the US is the ONLY country trying to manipulate elections abroad.
And I'm not a complete retard, so I'm aware that the CCP is doing everything it can to manipulate Taiwan's elections, too.
And I'm not a sociopath, so I understand that no one wants to be under the thumb of the CCP
Jaq said...
The real "pieces of shit" are the people constantly pushing endless wars in countries where noon comes at midnight here.
No, Jaq, the real pieces of shit are the ones who use fear to push slavery
Jaq said...
Sorry, I don't find that argument convincing.
That's because you're a worthless piece of shit.
Why would the people of Taiwan volunteer to be the next Ukraine?
Because their options are to be Free, be the "next Ukraine", or to be the "next Hong Kong / next Uyghurs".
And "maybe dying in war" is always a better choice than "being a slave", especially when it's being a slave to the CCP.
The vast majority of the population of Taiwan is people who are not ethnically Han Chinese. They are aware that to the CCP they are Untermenschen, and they have no future other than as independent of the CCP
I would really believe that Gallop's unfavorable polling of Trump now down to 38% is the only reason for the abandonment, although Gallop could have cited the ancient polling techniques that fail to get a proper mix because cell phone listings are not well sourced. Of course that would mean that no polls are any good anymore.
Of course, the claim that today's polls indicate that Biden would beat Trump if elections were held today is a dangerous assumption that litigious Don cannot abide.
gilbar
If the Gallup presidential polling is unsound it would then lead to the conclusion that all Gallup poll results are unsound. But I just don't believe that.
Their recent polls show that 17% approve of the Senate up from 14% last year. LOL. I'd say that is accurate. A recent poll also showed 24% approval rating for congressional Democrats, 29% for Republicans. If the Senate cannot even muster 20% approval and neither party can get to 30% approval it's completely believable that Trump and Biden would be around 40%. But as noted I don't think it matters because what matters is voting in elections. Polls just give us a flavor of what the people think. Some certainly lean left or right but the sampling data [at least with Gallup] is always presented.
"The vast majority of the population of Taiwan is people who are not ethnically Han Chinese."
Wrong.
t appears that disturbances in the force have blown posts from the shít and poop threads over to this one.
In a 50-50 divided country it's not impossible for a president who more than half the country disapproves of to win the presidency. Half the country always hates you whatever you do, but the other half will vote for you even if they don't like you. In a country that has a two-party system and is as divided as ours, who hasn't voted for a candidate that they don't "approve" of?
The general tendency is for incumbents to pull up in the last few weeks of the election, so a president who was "underwater" for most of his term can still pull off a victory. The electoral college also helps make that possible: nation-wide unpopularity may not matter if you can win the right combination of states.
Popularity polls aren't election predictions. Whether or not the president has a case against the pollster who said he'd lose Iowa, he'd have a hard time convincing a judge or jury that polls that had him underwater for most of his term were unfair and liable for damages.
Same old kak, note that if you don't read his shit, he doesn't exist...
Quoted for truth.
So Jaq doesn't want to admit that yes, he DOES want the people of Taiwan to be slaves of the CCP.
I rest my case
There is polling to understand public opinion, and there is polling to drive public opinion. Nearly every "scientific" poll until the week before the election seems intended to drive public opinion.
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