Quoted in "Hunter College to Review Professor’s ‘Abhorrent’ Remarks at Meeting
A student objected to the potential closure of her New York City middle school. The professor, speaking on a hot mic, said, 'They’re too dumb to know they’re in a bad school.' The comment was assailed as racist" (NYT).
It was an unwitting interruption. Friedman "was attending virtually and was unaware that her microphone was turned on." She now says she was "'trying to explain the concept of systemic racism' to her child, who was in the room with her, 'by referencing an example of an obviously racist trope.... My complete comments make clear these abhorrent views are not my own, nor were they directed at any student or group. I fully support these courageous students in their efforts to stop school closures. However, I recognize these comments caused harm and pain, while that was not my intent I do truly apologize.'"
If there is systemic racism, how do you figure you're on the outside of it, explaining it to someone else? If it's systemic, doesn't it infect your explanation too, and isn't your belief that you're on the outside, operating purely as an explainer, part of the system?
In any event, it is easier to focus on a few words spoken by an isolated lady than to deal with the structuring of the various public schools in New York City — which ones to close or consolidate, what familiar teachers and classrooms to take away from the children.
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Trapped like a rat.
Some things are best never said aloud, comrade
Many stupid people don't know they are stupid. Studies have shown that low IQ people typically over-rate their intelligence, and that high IQ people under-estimate their intelligence. I know this because I'm smart.
haha this is hilarious. I can't help but think our discourse would be improved if people would just be honest when they speak instead of all these post remark contortions.
"She was attending virtually and was unaware that her microphone was turned on. “If you train a Black person well enough, they’ll know to use the back,” Ms. Friedman continued. “You don’t have to tell them anymore.”
She appeared to be referencing a comment made earlier in the meeting by the local school district’s interim acting superintendent, Reginald Higgins. He had mentioned Carter G. Woodson, the scholar known as the father of Black history, who said, “If you make a man think that he is justly an outcast, you do not have to order him to the back door. He will go without being told.”"
You know what they say about the truth...it hurts.
wow a lot of own goals happening lately
and the NYT has turned off comments of course!
They are too dumb and to indoctrinated to know they are in a rotten school. Truth is not tolerated.
The tough-minded, clearer-eyed "progressive" Democrats of a few generations ago would certainly agree. See this 1965 report from a future Democratic Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action
If alive today, Moynihan (d. 2003) would be functionally MAGA and a Party defector decrying DEI errors.
“Racist.” What a tired, rote, meaningless accusation.
But what kind of schmuck calls children condemned to a bad public school too dumb to know better? Maybe they don’t know better because they’re children? (Derp.)
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Jeffrey Toobin, Zoom expert.
Someday people will distinguish malevolent racism from racism. Racism is believing US blacks have an average IQ of 86. What do you do with that? Disparage, or use it as part of a solution that has a chance of working. I.e. teach "acting white" in school.
The prime example of systemic racism in the United States is the public school system. I have been in Baltimore long enough to see more than two full 12-year cycles of students be miseducated in the local system. For 28 years, the state and local Democratic officials have failed these students, even as they allege that performance is improving or that "my kids are in the public schools and they are doing great" (a response I got on Facebook from one local politician that was echoed by his liberal supporters). The children of Baltimore have been abandoned by the political structures built by the progressive state that needs a black underclass to cement its power.
If poor public school performance is indeed evidence of institutional racism then the democrat party and their teachers union benefactors are the most racists monsters ever to exist in history. If THAT weas her intent, then I agree with her 100%.
Schools are mostly a sum part of the students, if more students are dumb than not, the school will be poor performing schools and vice versa. Behavioral issues, which cannot be spoken of in polite company, are also an issue
The greatest Teacher union trick was to turn No Child Left Behind into just another "cause" of the problem.
The more Progressives help the worse it gets.
This Progressive Jewess is too stupid to know that.
There's a chart going around X made by Cremieux Recui (using Educational Testing Service data) that shows the test scores of various university majors. Note that TEACHERS are in the lowest scoring groups (Elementary Education, Special Education, Early Childhood Education and Physical Education), and have been for a long time.
It's not the "best and the brightest" shaping tiny minds anymore. It is people who can't qualify for any other profession. Literally the LAST IN THEIR CLASS in smarts.
And THAT is how soft bigotry gets a credential.
I was a public school teacher tired of teaching snotty rich kids took a job in an inner city school to "make a difference". Do you know what it's like to come to work and be faced with a clientele who for the most part had IQs hovering around 65-80 and were convinced enough to report me that the copy of Moby Dick on my desk was Gay pornography.
I can't believe that no one has made the obvious connection to the earlier Gavin Newsom post. Class, compare and contrast.
If facts can be racist, then what choice do you have but to lie?
They didn’t get dumb on their own.
@Humperdink...not a forgone conclusion.
I amazed at how many times the explanation given makes the situation worse. If she had apologized for using the word "stupid" but affirmed it was a bad school, it would have been more honest.
Presumably, if she had been talking about a white person, it would not be "racist". For example, if she had said that "Donald Trump is too dumb to know that yadda-yadda-yadda." People say things like that all the time. See, Scott Adams had the right idea. Just stay away from them. Nothing good can come from associating with them in any way.
The role of blacks in destabilizing the Republic for the imminent Democrat takeover, i.e., crime, election fraud, corrupt politicians, looting, etc., is too important to be sidelined by the truth. Hence, “racism, racism racism.”
If there is systemic racism, how do you figure you're on the outside of it, explaining it to someone else? That reminds me of the time Barbara Boxer was asked if she was left wing or right wing. In her answer she used her hands to pantomime a left side and a right side, then held one up above the plane she had just described, level, palm down, to show where she was. Above it all, outside the left and right. It was very telling.
A middle-schooler could easily love a "bad school", because school social life is far more important to typical middle-schooler than what the standardized test scores determine about the caliber of the school's delivery of "education". It's not "systemic racism" to point this out, even if opinion comes from a white-classified woman concerning a minority-classified girl.
DEIsm
"She now says she was "'trying to explain the concept of systemic racism' to her child, who was in the room with her, 'by referencing an example of an obviously racist trope.... My complete comments make clear these abhorrent views are not my own, nor were they directed at any student or group."
Will the Times report the full statement in its context, or just say "oops... The Times regrets the error."
Can't read the article so not sure exactly what all is involved but I would probably agree with the statement that the girl is too dumb or perhaps a better word would be ignorant to know that she is in a bad school.
I have a degree from a science program. I have a bachelor's degree in general business administration. I have a master of arts in Business Administration. I have 30 years teaching in engineering, business and general.
I also have an MS in education. Mmy fellow students in the EdSchool thought that it was a very rigorous program but most of them had nothing to compare it to other than undergraduate education programs I thought the program was about as rigorous academically as 6th grade in other words basically no rigor at all.
if I had not had the other education to compare it to I probably would have thought it was rigorous. so to say that the girl doesn't know that the school that she's in is no good is it not really because she's too dumb to know it's because she has nothing to compare it to and it probably a fair statement.
It should be no more controversial than saying a fish doesn't know it is wet
John Henry
A lot of the Anti ICE walkouts were at underachieving schools. In a few years these protesting undereducated students will be competing against similarly undereducated illegal immigrants for jobs, housing, and public services. I don’t blame the students for this ignorance; I blame the teachers.
MartyH said...
"A lot of the Anti ICE walkouts were at underachieving schools. In a few years these protesting undereducated students will be competing against similarly undereducated illegal immigrants for jobs, housing, and public services. I don’t blame the students for this ignorance; I blame the teachers."
They will not have to compete for jobs Marty. They'll become teachers.
Alas, it is 90% true: Bad schools do not make bad students. Bad students make bad schools.
Too dumb to know, or too dumb to care?
My mother's family had a lot of teachers (her father was one and became a schools superintendent) and I thought I would get certified too.
Luckily I found out in my first semester in college that 90-95% of the ed school faculty and students were blithering idiots--something I had forgotten from my own public school days.
She probably should have claimed Tourette's. Seems to be the thing these days.
rhhardin said...
Someday people will distinguish malevolent racism from racism. Racism is believing US blacks have an average IQ of 86.
The truth isn't racist, nor is it anti-racist- it's truth. And the AVERAGE IQ of blacks in the USA is approximately 1 standard deviation below the black population. AVERAGE. Half above, half below. There's a bell curve, some of them are >120. But a lesser percentage.
What to do about it, if anything, determines racism. One problem is- the majority of us feels nothing should be done about it- let the chips fall where they may. Totally eliminate all affirmative action programs. They put a taint on the real achievement of a black with a 130 IQ pursuing his or her MD and people automatically assume he didn't earn his spot. Especially true or black women who are shunted, for the most part, into useless HR type jobs where no actual accomplishments are needed to stay employed.
The armed forces a long time ago, before all the mechanization we have now, that anyone with an IQ<85 is virtually useless in any occupation due to the amount of supervision they need. Or- approximately half the black population. That's a problem. Jobs no longer exist for those. But leaving them idle is worse. Maybe we need an employer of last resort- a new CCC of sorts. Anyone can join. Daily pay, barracks housing, 3 squares in the mess. Doing manual work that could be done by machine. Though it will p--s off the greens, have them build and maintain paths and roadways in remote areas. Pick up trash in national parks. Or sweep roads in inner cities. At the end of the day they can take their pay and spend it their necessities in the commissary- beer, wine and hard liquor easily available. As long as they stay on the compound, drunk is fine. Police bad behavior.
I'm getting off track. Most dumb do know they're dumb. And as long as you treat them like humans- don't care if you recognize them as dumb. The real problem is- most midwits, using Voxday's term, think they're smart. They're not.
@Gospace: have them build and maintain paths and roadways in remote areas. Pick up trash in national parks. Or sweep roads in inner cities.
You've described the literal servant job structure of the cities in eastern portion of the USA. The federal income (Welfare), food (SNAP), and housing programs (Section 8) fund people below the employability cutoff.
Job type by race remains consistent over time for those not in the academic DEI programs. Bus drivers, janitors, food service, delivery, stocking, selling bottled water and wiping windshield at intersections at every corner in Baltimore, etc.
The wealthy left figured this out long ago. Old South plantation owners --> FDR --> LBJ --> endless payments to keep the system going.
How can anyone possibly be engaged in attacking someone on such grounds. What a waste of thought. Just speak the truth. "Explaining to my kid" is plausible, but who cares?
"The armed forces a long time ago, before all the mechanization we have now, that anyone with an IQ<85 is virtually useless in any occupation due to the amount of supervision they need."
We used to call them "Gun Bunnies." Their job was to hump ammunition to the artillery pieces.
Not aim and shoot them, just move the ammunition.
Comments implying unintelligence in any group other than white Americans are unlikely to improve the circumstances of the commenter.
Maybe if the school had teachers who would sneeringly tell the kids they won't amount to anything, the kids would work harder and become famous authors. CC, JSM
Just own the truth sweetie.
“ She now says she was "'trying to explain the concept of systemic racism' to her child, who was in the room with her, 'by referencing an example of an obviously racist trope.... My complete comments make clear these abhorrent views are not my own, nor were they directed at any student or group.”
The old reverse skidoo. The sad thing is that the poor and disadvantaged don’t want good schools, they need the school to be an economic anchor where people can get jobs and janitors and cooks and the community members who work hard enough can come back and be teachers and administrators to provide one institution where something is half way respected other than gangs. That’s what public eduction is for. Bussing them to better schools where
They might learn more is the last thing they want. So teachers and parents get kids to say things like this kid said.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
There's a chart going around X made by Cremieux Recui (using Educational Testing Service data) that shows the test scores of various university majors. Note that TEACHERS are in the lowest scoring groups (Elementary Education, Special Education, Early Childhood Education and Physical Education), and have been for a long time.
They also get the highest GPA's in college.
That is the root of the problem.
Maybe she meant "Bad" in the Michael Jackson sense?
She made the grave mistake of accidentally telling the truth.
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