The writers of this soap opera never run out of promising new trailers for next week's episode, but the scripts never get to real resolution. I got to stop watching the trailers. It just pisses you off eventually.
I think that the "art" may have a more innocent explanation, being that this is how Podesta sees the relationship between the power elite, and the rest of us.
Epstein's life and actions tell a gross story. there are a lot of gross stories - some of them are happening in real time in CA and MN - and are probably worse.
Out of the 400,000+ children that were smuggled into the United States and handed off to people who were not their parents I find it implausible that less than 100,000 have been raped.
A huge number of those children are going to be sex slaves.
That is what happens to children in the rest of the world.
Bill and Hillary Clinton have said they had no knowledge of Epstein’s crimes and neither has been accused of wrongdoing in connection with the late, disgraced financier. But Bill Clinton has long been linked to Epstein and his image appeared in photos made public by the Justice Department.
That's some hard-hitting commentary by Politico. Digging deep to provide the substance that their readership demands.
This is a legitimacy crisis of the United States of America, and maybe the only way past it is going to be denial, for those who are able to manage that. And probably that is going to be the majority.
Remember too, if ICE separates a child from an adult, that that adult is certainly the child's parent and it is impossible that the adult could be a trafficker of children. You can tell by the picture!
Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
I think the majority of the 'child trafficking' was shipping a kid to his/her (illegal) parents somewhere in the US. This is a story as old as immigration, legal or not. The father immigrates first, builds up some money, and sends for the rest of the family. My great-grandfather did that.
If there were really six figures of kids trafficked for sex, word would get out and no one would give their kid to coyotes. The parents would just keep sending remittances to whichever tia or abuela is looking after them.
Now do all females remotely close to childbearing age get raped crossing the border? Apparently. CC, JSM
But also, at the micro level, there's no reason for a border agent to believe anything being said about the kid. So when in doubt, pull him out. CC, JSM
How much do you want to bet that they can easily drag this sorry-ass back-and-forth out until mid-term elections, and maybe even to 2028, without ever having to walk into Congress?
All it will take is a 'health issue', should they run out of mau-mauing ideas. Hillary always looks dyspeptic anyhow, and Bill looks older than his age. Not too old to wag that finger, though.
We are bound to see a lot of the "John Mitchell defense": "I do not recall". Just because they show up doesn't mean that they have to say anything. Before Bill testifies we know that he is a world class slime ball. Of course being married to Hillary is a bit of an excuse. Hillary has no excuses she is a " lying liar who lies" ; always has been.
Not sure. But do you know who did pull the old Vince Foster? Clinton's former staffer, Mark Middleton, who signed Epstein into the WH seven times. What's interesting is that Middleton hung himself and also shot himself with a shotgun! What's also interesting is on March 15, 1994, Middleton took a flight to DC on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald J. Trump. Hell of a crazy coincidence.
" So his claims of never being on Epstein’s island"
Can you provide me a link, this is what "factually.co" says
"The available public record does not show Donald Trump ever visited Jeffrey Epstein’s private island, Little St. James; multiple fact-checking outlets and reviews of flight logs and the DOJ’s released files have found no direct evidence placing him on the island [1] [2]. Trump has consistently denied visiting the island and the Justice Department releases that mention visitors instead highlight other figures and emails — for example, newly released documents show Howard Lutnick planned or attended a lunch on Epstein’s island, not Trump [3] [4] [5]."
But it is three days old. Still hard to believe that Joe Biden would have overlooked such a juicy bit on info, or Hillary.
Aggie: "How much do you want to bet that they can easily drag this sorry-ass back-and-forth out until mid-term elections, "
Yeah, but would the Dems want that? Trump can bring the Bill Accusers back on the campaign trail, like he did at that debate with Hillary. He might even devote some money and influence to getting some Epstein victims to come along. The ladies didn't have to do or say anything - it was just a debate - they just sat there, like that older Italian gentleman in the Senate hearing in The Godfather. CC, JSM
If biden admin had the goods on Trump in there - they would have used it. Perhaps Trump is in there - but then we MUST gaze at who was worse. We kinda already know. The left will fill in the blanks with lies. That's what they do.
Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
Practically all of which was Epstein bitching about Trump to other people, and conspiring with Democrats to smear him, even though they had nothing concrete they could hang on him.
’Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.’
Trump has been in the news a few times over the last decade, and likely a topic of conversation amongst people in the New York area. I think he’s even been mentioned on this blog. Maybe that has something to do with it…
@john mosby: Dead end. Connect the Clintons to who, for what? Nobody getting re-elected would be vulnerable as far as I can see, not from simple association. They've both been out of political circulation for too long.
D.D. Driver said... "Will Billy suicide before testifying?"
Not sure. But do you know who did pull the old Vince Foster? Clinton's former staffer, Mark Middleton, who signed Epstein into the WH seven times. What's interesting is that Middleton hung himself and also shot himself with a shotgun! What's also interesting is on March 15, 1994, Middleton took a flight to DC on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald J. Trump. Hell of a crazy coincidence.
The popular consensus was that only trans and gropers could be blackmailed. Bring on the groomers, now pedos in liberal license. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #EquivocalInclusion
To abort or to groom perchance to molest, carve, amend, these are the questions of social liberal license. Politically congruent ("=")? Time will tell.
Bill Clinton has always seemed to me an odd duck. He must have worked hard to elbow his way into power and money. Once he got there, he seems not to have had goals beyond dumb hedonism. What has he done with all the success that life has handed him? Zip.
Buzz Patterson wants to be present at the hearings and to testify as to Hillary's conduct during Buzz's tenure on the Clintons' security detail. Go Buzz!
"Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents."
You could have made a document accusing Trump too, all you had to do was call an 800 number and say "My friend was raped when she was 12 at Trump plaza" and bingo, another document referencing Trump!
But Trump haters would never do that! "
"Oh, but that can't all be made up!"
Wait a minute, even if there were not a single accusation, once that hotline was avaible, 1800 SMEAR TRUMP, thousands of documents would appear.
D.D.--Why would anyone care that Trump and his wife hitched a ride on Epstein's plane in 1994 from FL to Teterboro, or that Mark Middleton, who died 28 years later, was also on the flight? You know that it's meaningless, but you keep bringing it up as if it means something. What are you claiming that it means? As far as I can tell it means as much as the fact that Jill Biden was once married to a guy who was accused of committing a murder 50 years after the divorce.
Ampersand: " Once he got there, he seems not to have had goals beyond dumb hedonism"
I can see the tendency to think "Man, I went to Georgetown, Oxford and Yale; I fought all those election campaigns; wherever I go, about half the people hate me; and all I have to show for it is my homely harridan wife and the occasional fugly employee."
Aggie said... “@john mosby: Dead end. Connect the Clintons to who, for what? Nobody getting re-elected would be vulnerable as far as I can see, not from simple association. They've both been out of political circulation for too long.”
Aggie says it’s a “dead end”. What is wrong with you? Of course the Clintons should be questioned under oath, as well as others. It’s for the purpose of JUSTICE for the victims, no matter who the perps were, not just for political purposes. I guess it’s too much for Aggie to consider the victims first instead of considering the political careers of the perpetrators.
Lots of the AWFL movement can be explained as enraged frustration of the female version of that sense of - entitlement? more like what you thought was the bare minimum reward for all your hard work. "I got into Wellesley and I'm a LCSW, and I just want people to take me seriously when I talk to them! And a baby wouldn't go amiss." CC, JSM
Aggie, true, the Clintons aren't running, but the Democrats are. Taking the Clinton Victims on the campaign trail would be part of a narrative that says the Dems are the party of elites enriching themselves and otherwise benefiting, at the expense of working Americans. The party of two-tier justice. The party of not caring who gets killed and raped by illegals, because hey, they rape and kill people themselves.
So there could be pressure on the Clintons from other Dem big beasts to just take the talking point away from Trump by going and giving the deposition already. CC, JSM
I'm maybe a little naive here, but has anyone discovered anything in the 4 million pages of documents to support the international espionage and kompromat operation claims that we've been hearing for years now? Yes, some very big cheeses have been revealed to be scummy and stupid. But where is the blackmail evidence? Sure, the CIA has had lots of time to comb through it all and clean it up. But you would think that something would slip through--or at least the outlines of something would be evident through the redactions. For example, the evidence seems to be pretty strong that Bill Clinton was engaged in behavior that could expose him to blackmail. Is there any evidence that actual blackmail occurred?
’Everyone knows this is all a distraction to keep people from asking why the intelligence agencies are not being drug in front of congress.’
A few of us know that. And at least a few of us know the intelligence agencies will never be drug in front of Congress because of mutually assured destruction. I don’t like that any better than you do, I suspect, but I’m all ears for a solution.
Blackmail is not usually handled through official communications or comm channels that can be archived. Kind of dumb to make demands through email or text. What you need is CIA/other interesting agencies archives. Not in the Epstein files.
Did we just see Inga call for the Clintons to actually see some accountability?
Ha, we all know Inga's part of that famous group of feminists who would gladly have spread their legs for Bill as long as he kept abortion legal.... that's all that matters! Just ask them--they've already said so.
Once again, what was the purpose of the painting of Bill Clinton in Monica’s dress? What kind of mind games were these people playing? What message was that painting meant to communicate? Humiliation must have been a part of it. But to what end? My impression is that Clinton thinks l’affaire Monica left a . . . stain on his presidency. So then, what was the point of the painting? Putting yourself in Clinton’s shoes, wouldn’t you be angry when you saw the painting? Would you continue a social/professional relationship with someone who put your most vulnerable moment on his wall? That painting hung in Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse foyer, where it greeted visitors. What were the power dynamics at play? Was the message not meant for Clinton but for lesser beings? Was the message a veiled threat: I know everyone’s secrets, I’ll gladly expose them and I’m not afraid of anybody.
D House: Testify get put in Jail! R Witness: Fuck You. Gets arrested.
R House: Please testify. D Witness: Fuck You. R House: Do it or we'll pass a resolution D Witness: Fuck You R House: OK, we'll make a deal. Give us your conditions. D Witness: We'll think about it.
Leaving aside some fairly dumb people (Prince Andrew), everyone who participated in Epsteins little hobby had the brains to know the risks of such indulgence. If they didnt have the brains they wouldnt have mattered. The cost/benefit, or risk/reward, seemed OK to them. Which indicates that the "favors" any intelligence agency would be seeking were not very obvious and may have been anticipated going in, as it were.
I’m happy to see James Comer and House Republicans establish the precedent that former presidents can be hauled in front of congressional committees to testify about Epstein, pardons, and related issues.
The Clintons were supposed to testify January 13. They blew it off, claiming that the subpoenas were "legally invalid." Trump's DOJ then dropped the three or four million documents with bad pics of Bill on January 30. The Clintons are now willing to testify. Coincidence?
It would be interesting, for instance, to obtain the CIA dossier on the Pritzker family. There probably is one, or several, under many layers of security, bureaucracies are like that, else everything goes away when personnel change. New guys are always needing to get up to speed. Thats the sort of thing you need.
’Everyone knows this is all a distraction to keep people from asking why the intelligence agencies are not being drug in front of congress.’
A few of us know that. And at least a few of us know the intelligence agencies will never be drug in front of Congress because of mutually assured destruction. I don’t like that any better than you do, I suspect, but I’m all ears for a solution.
The only solution is Pinochet.
The President is going to have to arrest congress and start hanging people.
Lithuania is opening a human trafficking investigation after latest Epstein files release.
“The released Epstein files reportedly show connections with several Lithuanian artists and models, as well as the spouses Simona PetreikÄ— and Valdas Petreikis, whose cultural organisations received tens of thousands of euros from Epstein’s foundation in the late 2010s.”
It's ironic—or perhaps hypocritical—that James Comer is hauling Hillary Clinton before his committee to testify about Jeffrey Epstein, despite no documented direct contact between her and Epstein, while ignoring Howard Lutnick (Epstein's former next-door neighbor), who has been proven in recently released files to have lied about the extent and timeline of his connections to Epstein over many years.
Recent Epstein document releases show Lutnick planned a family visit to Epstein's private island (Little St. James) in 2012—years after he publicly claimed to have cut ties in 2005 upon discovering Epstein's disturbing behavior during a home tour. Emails and records reveal ongoing correspondence and interactions well beyond that point, contradicting his statements that he "never [associated] with that disgusting person" again. Yet Lutnick faces no similar scrutiny or subpoena from Comer's probe.
“Yet Lutnick faces no similar scrutiny or subpoena from Comer's probe.”
And they brought children with them to the island! I’d love to hear Nutlick questioned about his original story of never having any contact with Epstein again after his supposed shock of seeing a massage table in Epstein’s living room.
Lithuania is opening a human trafficking investigation - ha ha, their investigating skills are of the same level of corruption as Ukraine’s. All those lanky Lithuanian models and ballerinas who were more than willing to jump the hoops for Epstein, writing their pathetic, sob love letters to the perv. All these women are as deprived and greedy as Epstein himself. Epstein was good at predicting behaviors. The scoundrel knew his kind.
Dunham said... Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
Good point, though short on facts. Clinton famously ditched his Secret Service protection to fly to Epstein Island. He was on Team Epstein. But the big orange whale that eluded Epstein, much as he continues to play Roadrunner to the leftist Coyotes pursuing him over the last decade, is Trump. And like the Democrat Party the man Epstein was absolutely obsessed with Trump and angry he was never able to entrap him.
Just like democrats. Trump obsessed. My side just voted for him to be president. Their side has Trump living in their heads and are paying him rent!
A reminder the BlueAnons losing their minds over Epstein are the same folks backing Soros DAs who release rapists and assorted gangbangers, and opposing the deportation of the same if they are illegals.
buwaya said... "It would be interesting, for instance, to obtain the CIA dossier on the Pritzker family. There probably is one, or several, under many layers of security, bureaucracies are like that, else everything goes away when personnel change. New guys are always needing to get up to speed. Thats the sort of thing you need."
Rumor has it that JB was such a financial screw up he was pushed out of the family business. Judging by his governorship of Illinois it's easy to see why.
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"I don't recall"
will be uttered... a lot.
'At this point, what difference does it make?'
I wonder what Steve Bannon might say?
The writers of this soap opera never run out of promising new trailers for next week's episode, but the scripts never get to real resolution. I got to stop watching the trailers. It just pisses you off eventually.
I agree with Peachy. “It was a long time ago.” “I have recollection.” “I don’t recall.”
House republicans are corrupt and weak. At least 100 of them are really democrats.
The CIA, MI6 and Mossad will come up exactly 0 times in these bullshit hearings.
Trump is not being transparent with us. Bondi and Patel are complete failures.
This won’t be dealt with until 2028. We need Pinochet to deal with this.
Don't look, just don't look at the artwork of Hillary confidant John Podesta.
I think that the "art" may have a more innocent explanation, being that this is how Podesta sees the relationship between the power elite, and the rest of us.
Poor choice. Epstein's dental exam wall-of-masks room would be more impactful, and 10x as unsettling. It's a production...go big or go home!
Epstein's life and actions tell a gross story.
there are a lot of gross stories - some of them are happening in real time in CA and MN - and are probably worse.
Out of the 400,000+ children that were smuggled into the United States and handed off to people who were not their parents I find it implausible that less than 100,000 have been raped.
A huge number of those children are going to be sex slaves.
That is what happens to children in the rest of the world.
Bill and Hillary Clinton have said they had no knowledge of Epstein’s crimes and neither has been accused of wrongdoing in connection with the late, disgraced financier. But Bill Clinton has long been linked to Epstein and his image appeared in photos made public by the Justice Department.
That's some hard-hitting commentary by Politico. Digging deep to provide the substance that their readership demands.
This is a legitimacy crisis of the United States of America, and maybe the only way past it is going to be denial, for those who are able to manage that. And probably that is going to be the majority.
Except for her foundation ties the wedding other minor details
Remember too, if ICE separates a child from an adult, that that adult is certainly the child's parent and it is impossible that the adult could be a trafficker of children. You can tell by the picture!
The "deal" should've been very simple.
"You will show up and testify, or you will be arrested. Choose wisely."
Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
I think the majority of the 'child trafficking' was shipping a kid to his/her (illegal) parents somewhere in the US. This is a story as old as immigration, legal or not. The father immigrates first, builds up some money, and sends for the rest of the family. My great-grandfather did that.
If there were really six figures of kids trafficked for sex, word would get out and no one would give their kid to coyotes. The parents would just keep sending remittances to whichever tia or abuela is looking after them.
Now do all females remotely close to childbearing age get raped crossing the border? Apparently. CC, JSM
But also, at the micro level, there's no reason for a border agent to believe anything being said about the kid. So when in doubt, pull him out. CC, JSM
How much do you want to bet that they can easily drag this sorry-ass back-and-forth out until mid-term elections, and maybe even to 2028, without ever having to walk into Congress?
Dunham sounds a lot like Cong. Ted Lieu. Look for another billion dollar defamation suit.
All it will take is a 'health issue', should they run out of mau-mauing ideas. Hillary always looks dyspeptic anyhow, and Bill looks older than his age. Not too old to wag that finger, though.
We are bound to see a lot of the "John Mitchell defense": "I do not recall". Just because they show up doesn't mean that they have to say anything. Before Bill testifies we know that he is a world class slime ball. Of course being married to Hillary is a bit of an excuse. Hillary has no excuses she is a " lying liar who lies" ; always has been.
Will Billy suicide before testifying?
“Trump is not being transparent with us.”
No, really?! So his claims of never being on Epstein’s island …
Inag isn't interested in any of her precious democrats caught up in the Epstein scandal. Nope. Hivemind loyalist forever.
A photo of Bill Clinton IN Epstein's giant lolitta island hot tub. All fine. she waves it off.
Bob B said, "Will Billy suicide before testifying?"
"I have evidence that will lead to the arrest and conviction of my wife," said the late William Jefferson.
Janet Reno?
"Will Billy suicide before testifying?"
Not sure. But do you know who did pull the old Vince Foster? Clinton's former staffer, Mark Middleton, who signed Epstein into the WH seven times. What's interesting is that Middleton hung himself and also shot himself with a shotgun! What's also interesting is on March 15, 1994, Middleton took a flight to DC on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald J. Trump. Hell of a crazy coincidence.
Time served and quiet retirement.
Social liberal club.
" So his claims of never being on Epstein’s island"
Can you provide me a link, this is what "factually.co" says
"The available public record does not show Donald Trump ever visited Jeffrey Epstein’s private island, Little St. James; multiple fact-checking outlets and reviews of flight logs and the DOJ’s released files have found no direct evidence placing him on the island [1] [2]. Trump has consistently denied visiting the island and the Justice Department releases that mention visitors instead highlight other figures and emails — for example, newly released documents show Howard Lutnick planned or attended a lunch on Epstein’s island, not Trump [3] [4] [5]."
But it is three days old. Still hard to believe that Joe Biden would have overlooked such a juicy bit on info, or Hillary.
Aggie: "How much do you want to bet that they can easily drag this sorry-ass back-and-forth out until mid-term elections, "
Yeah, but would the Dems want that? Trump can bring the Bill Accusers back on the campaign trail, like he did at that debate with Hillary. He might even devote some money and influence to getting some Epstein victims to come along. The ladies didn't have to do or say anything - it was just a debate - they just sat there, like that older Italian gentleman in the Senate hearing in The Godfather. CC, JSM
If biden admin had the goods on Trump in there - they would have used it.
Perhaps Trump is in there - but then we MUST gaze at who was worse. We kinda already know.
The left will fill in the blanks with lies. That's what they do.
Are we gonna forget?
House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing. Epstein told her what to say!
...and the Hearing was a 'GET TRUMP!" hearing.
Epstein HATED Trump.
Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
Practically all of which was Epstein bitching about Trump to other people, and conspiring with Democrats to smear him, even though they had nothing concrete they could hang on him.
The blue dress pic of Clinton exposes SOBs personality completely. A master seducer.
Bill should plead for mercy, re: having to live with Hillary every day. I’d allow it as an affirmative defense…
’Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.’
Trump has been in the news a few times over the last decade, and likely a topic of conversation amongst people in the New York area. I think he’s even been mentioned on this blog. Maybe that has something to do with it…
>"I don't recall" will be uttered... a lot.
More likely, it will be "Sorry, we have a prior engagement on that particular date." Rinse-and-repeat until Trump is impeached.
@john mosby: Dead end. Connect the Clintons to who, for what? Nobody getting re-elected would be vulnerable as far as I can see, not from simple association. They've both been out of political circulation for too long.
D.D. Driver said...
"Will Billy suicide before testifying?"
Not sure. But do you know who did pull the old Vince Foster? Clinton's former staffer, Mark Middleton, who signed Epstein into the WH seven times. What's interesting is that Middleton hung himself and also shot himself with a shotgun! What's also interesting is on March 15, 1994, Middleton took a flight to DC on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald J. Trump. Hell of a crazy coincidence.
You're really going to try that one again, D.D.?
The popular consensus was that only trans and gropers could be blackmailed. Bring on the groomers, now pedos in liberal
license. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #EquivocalInclusion
Perhaps ICE Watch can defend the pedos, too.
Safe and rarely reported in sanctuary states.
So I just watched Adam kinzinger order the troops to keep hammering on Epstein in social media, because it's causing a civil war in MAGA. 😂
So apparently it's NBD just an embarrassment because the GOP campaigned on it.
Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
Well, then. There ought to be lots of incriminating stuff to quote from. I'm all ears.
Odd that the MSM hasn't emphasized any of it, though. They must be in the tank for Trump.
’…because it's causing a civil war in MAGA.’
It’s all over but the shouting!! lol
To abort or to groom perchance to molest, carve, amend, these are the questions of social liberal license. Politically congruent ("=")? Time will tell.
You're really going to try that one again, D.D.?
Yup. I'm going to keep rubbing your fucking nose in it. Your hero flew on Lolita Express with Clinton scumbags. The evidence is here on page 27.
(Eat shit. 😅)
Bill Clinton has always seemed to me an odd duck. He must have worked hard to elbow his way into power and money. Once he got there, he seems not to have had goals beyond dumb hedonism. What has he done with all the success that life has handed him? Zip.
Junior attorneys need deposition experience. Some will be avle say they got 2 to meet the Clintons too.
Buzz Patterson wants to be present at the hearings and to testify as to Hillary's conduct during Buzz's tenure on the Clintons' security detail. Go Buzz!
"Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents."
You could have made a document accusing Trump too, all you had to do was call an 800 number and say "My friend was raped when she was 12 at Trump plaza" and bingo, another document referencing Trump!
But Trump haters would never do that! "
"Oh, but that can't all be made up!"
Wait a minute, even if there were not a single accusation, once that hotline was avaible, 1800 SMEAR TRUMP, thousands of documents would appear.
I expect that Bill's cardiologist will be weighing in soon...
Count 1: Get Trump
Count 2: Get Trump
...
Count 50,003: Get Trump, now
>Nobody getting re-elected would be vulnerable as far as I can see
The politicans are just actors. The real threat is to the people behind them.
D.D.--Why would anyone care that Trump and his wife hitched a ride on Epstein's plane in 1994 from FL to Teterboro, or that Mark Middleton, who died 28 years later, was also on the flight? You know that it's meaningless, but you keep bringing it up as if it means something. What are you claiming that it means?
As far as I can tell it means as much as the fact that Jill Biden was once married to a guy who was accused of committing a murder 50 years after the divorce.
Ampersand: " Once he got there, he seems not to have had goals beyond dumb hedonism"
I can see the tendency to think "Man, I went to Georgetown, Oxford and Yale; I fought all those election campaigns; wherever I go, about half the people hate me; and all I have to show for it is my homely harridan wife and the occasional fugly employee."
CC, JSM
Aggie said...
“@john mosby: Dead end. Connect the Clintons to who, for what? Nobody getting re-elected would be vulnerable as far as I can see, not from simple association. They've both been out of political circulation for too long.”
Aggie says it’s a “dead end”. What is wrong with you? Of course the Clintons should be questioned under oath, as well as others. It’s for the purpose of JUSTICE for the victims, no matter who the perps were, not just for political purposes. I guess it’s too much for Aggie to consider the victims first instead of considering the political careers of the perpetrators.
Lots of the AWFL movement can be explained as enraged frustration of the female version of that sense of - entitlement? more like what you thought was the bare minimum reward for all your hard work. "I got into Wellesley and I'm a LCSW, and I just want people to take me seriously when I talk to them! And a baby wouldn't go amiss." CC, JSM
The evidence is here on page 27.
With his former wife and daughter, from Palm Beach to Teterboro. Sounds dastardly.
By dastardly, I mean it sounds the way Trump described it before - hitching a ride home to New York (ish).
Kinzinger you cant be serious
Beasts of England said...
’…because it's causing a civil war in MAGA.’
It’s all over but the shouting!! lol
No it isn't.
Everyone knows this is all a distraction to keep people from asking why the intelligence agencies are not being drug in front of congress.
Epstein and Maxwell were an Israeli front with possible help from CIA/MI6. It is as plain as day.
The younger generations that really propelled Trump in 2024 are not buying this.
If we go in and bomb Iran on Israel's behalf be prepared for a midterm blowout. I am all for destroying the Mullahs but it is not popular right now.
Trump is deporting people too slowly and he is letting Insurrectionists like Walz declare victory.
I can see where letting the Democrats have control of the house is part of the plan and they get Pinochet elected in 2028. We will see.
Aggie, true, the Clintons aren't running, but the Democrats are. Taking the Clinton Victims on the campaign trail would be part of a narrative that says the Dems are the party of elites enriching themselves and otherwise benefiting, at the expense of working Americans. The party of two-tier justice. The party of not caring who gets killed and raped by illegals, because hey, they rape and kill people themselves.
So there could be pressure on the Clintons from other Dem big beasts to just take the talking point away from Trump by going and giving the deposition already. CC, JSM
Fook the Clintons!!!
We are at the beach in Carmel, Calunicornia where it’s currently 71 degrees. Just sayin’…
I'm maybe a little naive here, but has anyone discovered anything in the 4 million pages of documents to support the international espionage and kompromat operation claims that we've been hearing for years now? Yes, some very big cheeses have been revealed to be scummy and stupid. But where is the blackmail evidence? Sure, the CIA has had lots of time to comb through it all and clean it up. But you would think that something would slip through--or at least the outlines of something would be evident through the redactions.
For example, the evidence seems to be pretty strong that Bill Clinton was engaged in behavior that could expose him to blackmail. Is there any evidence that actual blackmail occurred?
’Everyone knows this is all a distraction to keep people from asking why the intelligence agencies are not being drug in front of congress.’
A few of us know that. And at least a few of us know the intelligence agencies will never be drug in front of Congress because of mutually assured destruction. I don’t like that any better than you do, I suspect, but I’m all ears for a solution.
Well there was the pike church hearings then iran contra
’Well there was the pike church hearings then iran contra’
True, but I’m of the opinion that the borg has tied up any loose ends since then. And I’m very curious if you agree with that assessment, narc.
They did pretend something with regards to the smowden matter but it was largely kabuki
’They did pretend something with regards to the smowden’
There are probably less than a dozen Senators who aren’t captured and less than fifty of the same in the House.
Blackmail is not usually handled through official communications or comm channels that can be archived.
Kind of dumb to make demands through email or text.
What you need is CIA/other interesting agencies archives. Not in the Epstein files.
Did we just see Inga call for the Clintons to actually see some accountability?
Ha, we all know Inga's part of that famous group of feminists who would gladly have spread their legs for Bill as long as he kept abortion legal.... that's all that matters! Just ask them--they've already said so.
Once again, what was the purpose of the painting of Bill Clinton in Monica’s dress? What kind of mind games were these people playing? What message was that painting meant to communicate? Humiliation must have been a part of it. But to what end?
My impression is that Clinton thinks l’affaire Monica left a . . . stain on his presidency. So then, what was the point of the painting? Putting yourself in Clinton’s shoes, wouldn’t you be angry when you saw the painting? Would you continue a social/professional relationship with someone who put your most vulnerable moment on his wall?
That painting hung in Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse foyer, where it greeted visitors.
What were the power dynamics at play? Was the message not meant for Clinton but for lesser beings? Was the message a veiled threat: I know everyone’s secrets, I’ll gladly expose them and I’m not afraid of anybody.
We saw how fake the outrage was with the fisa fraud
Goggles they do nothing
"Would you continue a social/professional relationship with someone who put your most vulnerable moment on his wall?"
"Most vulnerable moment"? Maybe not...
’Was the message a veiled threat: I know everyone’s secrets, I’ll gladly expose them and I’m not afraid of anybody.’
I doubt he had the power to expose anyone, but he could still flaunt his proximity to those who could.
Democrat House vs. Republican House
D House: Testify get put in Jail!
R Witness: Fuck You.
Gets arrested.
R House: Please testify.
D Witness: Fuck You.
R House: Do it or we'll pass a resolution
D Witness: Fuck You
R House: OK, we'll make a deal. Give us your conditions.
D Witness: We'll think about it.
’We saw how fake the outrage was with the fisa fraud’
Well, that was a very strident press conference!! ;)
By vulnerable - I meant reputation wise.
Leaving aside some fairly dumb people (Prince Andrew), everyone who participated in Epsteins little hobby had the brains to know the risks of such indulgence. If they didnt have the brains they wouldnt have mattered.
The cost/benefit, or risk/reward, seemed OK to them. Which indicates that the "favors" any intelligence agency would be seeking were not very obvious and may have been anticipated going in, as it were.
I’m happy to see James Comer and House Republicans establish the precedent that former presidents can be hauled in front of congressional committees to testify about Epstein, pardons, and related issues.
The Clintons were supposed to testify January 13. They blew it off, claiming that the subpoenas were "legally invalid." Trump's DOJ then dropped the three or four million documents with bad pics of Bill on January 30. The Clintons are now willing to testify. Coincidence?
Its possible he was a sayan (provider) like agency contractors
It would be interesting, for instance, to obtain the CIA dossier on the Pritzker family. There probably is one, or several, under many layers of security, bureaucracies are like that, else everything goes away when personnel change. New guys are always needing to get up to speed.
Thats the sort of thing you need.
Well that have ties through general dynamics
Beasts of England said...
’Everyone knows this is all a distraction to keep people from asking why the intelligence agencies are not being drug in front of congress.’
A few of us know that. And at least a few of us know the intelligence agencies will never be drug in front of Congress because of mutually assured destruction. I don’t like that any better than you do, I suspect, but I’m all ears for a solution.
The only solution is Pinochet.
The President is going to have to arrest congress and start hanging people.
That would be bordaberry or fujimori, you have any officers in mind, stop being silly
Lithuania is opening a human trafficking investigation after latest Epstein files release.
“The released Epstein files reportedly show connections with several Lithuanian artists and models, as well as the spouses Simona PetreikÄ— and Valdas Petreikis, whose cultural organisations received tens of thousands of euros from Epstein’s foundation in the late 2010s.”
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2826216/lithuanian-prosecutors-launch-investigation-after-epstein-files-reveal-local-connections?srsltid=AfmBOopJGNTkfQH3O311CMcZvn3MnPbNLC3EIHacyjquohHg69v0voAT
It's ironic—or perhaps hypocritical—that James Comer is hauling Hillary Clinton before his committee to testify about Jeffrey Epstein, despite no documented direct contact between her and Epstein, while ignoring Howard Lutnick (Epstein's former next-door neighbor), who has been proven in recently released files to have lied about the extent and timeline of his connections to Epstein over many years.
Recent Epstein document releases show Lutnick planned a family visit to Epstein's private island (Little St. James) in 2012—years after he publicly claimed to have cut ties in 2005 upon discovering Epstein's disturbing behavior during a home tour. Emails and records reveal ongoing correspondence and interactions well beyond that point, contradicting his statements that he "never [associated] with that disgusting person" again. Yet Lutnick faces no similar scrutiny or subpoena from Comer's probe.
“Yet Lutnick faces no similar scrutiny or subpoena from Comer's probe.”
And they brought children with them to the island! I’d love to hear Nutlick questioned about his original story of never having any contact with Epstein again after his supposed shock of seeing a massage table in Epstein’s living room.
Howard Nutlick tells all
Lithuania is opening a human trafficking investigation - ha ha, their investigating skills are of the same level of corruption as Ukraine’s. All those lanky Lithuanian models and ballerinas who were more than willing to jump the hoops for Epstein, writing their pathetic, sob love letters to the perv. All these women are as deprived and greedy as Epstein himself. Epstein was good at predicting behaviors. The scoundrel knew his kind.
Como se dice Limited Hangout
Dunham said...
Bill Clinton has been referenced over 50 times in the files so he should testify. Trump has been referenced 38,000 times across five thousand separate documents.
Good point, though short on facts. Clinton famously ditched his Secret Service protection to fly to Epstein Island. He was on Team Epstein. But the big orange whale that eluded Epstein, much as he continues to play Roadrunner to the leftist Coyotes pursuing him over the last decade, is Trump. And like the Democrat Party the man Epstein was absolutely obsessed with Trump and angry he was never able to entrap him.
Just like democrats. Trump obsessed. My side just voted for him to be president. Their side has Trump living in their heads and are paying him rent!
Most of these parties were covered by the 2002 doj settlements
A reminder the BlueAnons losing their minds over Epstein are the same folks backing Soros DAs who release rapists and assorted gangbangers, and opposing the deportation of the same if they are illegals.
buwaya said...
"It would be interesting, for instance, to obtain the CIA dossier on the Pritzker family. There probably is one, or several, under many layers of security, bureaucracies are like that, else everything goes away when personnel change. New guys are always needing to get up to speed.
Thats the sort of thing you need."
Rumor has it that JB was such a financial screw up he was pushed out of the family business. Judging by his governorship of Illinois it's easy to see why.
You lefties should wipe your feet at the door or take off your shoes if you're gonna come straight from the hivemind therapy session.
To be fair to the Big He, he only fornicated with underage girls because he was wrecked on coke, booze and pills.
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