From "Gun rights groups challenge shooting of legally armed Minneapolis man" (Axios).
And here's Jonathan Chait, in "What MAGA Really Thinks of the Second Amendment/Now Americans know" (The Atlantic)(gift link).
Until very recently, conservative rhetoric has valorized gun ownership as a bulwark against tyrannical government, to the point of fetishization. Conservatives defended Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero for bringing a rifle to a chaotic protest in Wisconsin during the summer of 2020, as well as armed bands of protesters who marched into state capitol buildings during the COVID lockdowns....
The administration’s immediate use of the terrorist label should be understood not just as a hyperbolic accusation of intent, but as an umbrella term it applies to political opposition generally.... The administration’s allies, not all of whom wish to directly endorse summary executions, have played along with his logic, treating protesters’ reaction to the crackdown as though it were its cause....
Democratic Party leaders in the state have urged residents to record activity in order to produce a record of these acts. That is why Pretti was holding his phone, not his gun, when he intervened to protect a woman being tear-gassed by CBP agents, who then killed him.
The phone, not the gun, is the weapon the administration fears....
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How does one observe? With their hands?
Stephen said...
BG, though it's a bet speculative, your argument would certainly relevant in any investigation. But do you think there should be an investigation?
I would expect an investigation of some kind. One of the videos I watched that was in very slow motion (I didn't bookmark it, I guess I should have) showed the gun removed by the gray attired agent was dark colored. (Was it an actual gun or one of those that shoots non-lethal projectiles and belonged to one of the others, in danger of falling out of its holster?) Supposedly the gun that was his was a light colored SIG Sauer. I also saw, before he was shot, that it seemed he was reaching for something at his back, but then an agent blocked the view. I also admit the quality of the video wasn't that great. I feel that the agents should wear body cams; my husband disagrees. Are they cost prohibitive? No matter what, carrying a gun without valid ID and CC permit is a big no no. So is getting "into it" with LEOs at the same time. I don't think anyone "wins" in this situation.
Stephen - Is blowing whistles a part of your noble plan to monitor law enforcement? What about honking horns and harassment? All good?
If the Atlantic really wanted its readers to know what MAGA really thinks of the Second Amendment, why isn’t the essay written by a MAGA Second Amendment supporter. Or several supporters. I’m very tired of lefties telling themselves and me what I really think.
Well, unless I’m seeing fake videos, we at least know that Bovino and Noem were both flat out lying through their teeth.
Like, who would have thought?
“ This guy was a Darwin level idiot. There has been a lot of talk on the left recently about arming up for self defense against LEOs.”
To simplify, in almost every situation, being a LEO trumps Self Defense laws. As a retired attorney with an interest in this part of the law, I might be able to identify the rare cases where self defense Law might work against a LEO, I would never try. This is not the time or place to violently resist what you consider LEO overzealitry. Yet, you see a lot of protesters and other leftists opining in this area, many with no college, or nonsensical majors, like gender studies. Don’t listen to them. Following their advice is a ticket to your own Darwin award.
’…the public can monitor how they do so to make sure that they behave lawfully.’
I didn’t know monitoring was so gosh darned kinetic…
I thought the precedent for handling these types of cases was already set in the Babbit killing. All that officer had to do was to say he felt his life was in danger and he was good to go. I don’t recall anyone on the left having a problem with that. What’s changed?
Those whistles are so, so irritating. I think they would drive me to violence. (JK, I would get away from those people as far as possible.)
Biff wrote: This has to be the stupidest "controversy" I've seen in a long time. Most everyone with a license to carry will do their best to avoid situations where conflict with law enforcement is likely, especially if they actually are carrying.
The problem is that the armed nurse and other nurses like Inga, don't believe that ICE is an anyway legitimate law enforcement. They view ICE as the the right's version of ANTIFA. The people wasting their time protesting ICE at every turn are no different than the "defund the police" mobs we've seeing for years.
Stephen: my comment about 100 guilty men was not tongue in cheek. There should be no investigation. The need to pursue every single law enforcement mistake (or optically bad but lawfully good decision) into career death or prison (which is basically physical death for a cop) has been taken to the point of absurdity. It's part of the criminal-Democrat complex that makes enforcement functionally impossible. ICE are just the latest victims.
The several States don't get to prosecute federal agents. The federal government can. But doesn't have to. No one ever has to be prosecuted - even for baby raping/eating. That's how our system works. Your lot love it when ordinary people go free from their crimes - and very often you're right to love it. The same kind of mercy needs to extend to men who volunteer to put themselves between the citizenry and the goblins. CC, JSM
Stephen, ICE has the right to apprehend ANY undocumented alien, even just a suspected one. What they do with them or if they are released is an administrative or court function.
ICE is doing just what you suggest all over the country without issue or danger. Why is it different in Minneapolis? Who is making this a problem?
If you disagree with the law being enforced, then vote and get it changed. That's what the Right did. Or as the left did, vote and then just ignore the law.
RJW @ 2:42
did your parent's have any children that lived?
hospice wrote: Governor Tim Walz has declared ICE isn't law enforcement
This is the root cause of all the problems so far.
Waltz off Walz!!
Rusty, is that an attempt to deny that our top leaders literally told you bold face lies as if you were so stupid and gullible that you consume any bullshit sandwich they fed you or are you upset that I mentioned that horrible taste you have in your mouth.
But then again, it’s quite likely you and the Basket have acquired an enjoyable taste for it.
Ron Ward - what was the lie?
Alan from Whittier, To the extent they go beyond observing to unlawful interference, that may be morally justified as civil disobedience, but they should be prepared to face the consequences, which should not include death unless they actually are killing or seriously hurting people or creating an imminent risk of doing so.
Yes - Walz is the problem here. He is telling his loyalists to behave lawlessly. It's insane.
"I believe the country would be better off to find such people a way to citizenship."
Why do lefties feel the need to state an opinion they haven't even taken the time to think through??
The country does have better way to find a way to give these people a way to citizenship. Leave the country you have entered illegally and apply for citizenship lawfully. Pretty straightforward.
But I'm sure you mean why can't people who entered illegally and haven't committed a crime (most lefties use -a felony crime-as a qualifier for obvious reasons) be given citizenship? Paradoxically these are the same people who call for immigration reform. Change a law that they are breaking already to one that ????
“ To the extent they go beyond observing to unlawful interference,”
You were talking about “observing” and indeed IW call themselves observers. Why?
Peachy said...
Ron Ward - what was the lie?
That’s why I never bother. To give a hint, I was referring to what Bovine and Noem were telling us yesterday verses what we know today.
On another note;
“It has always been, I think, the fear, and now I think closer to the reality that the Trump administration is creating this mayhem, particularly in cities in swing states, in order to take control of the election, to say, ‘Oh, the city’s out of control, the state’s out of control, you can’t trust the state government, we just need to run the election in November,’” Murphy told host Dana Bash on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
"is that an attempt to deny that our top leaders literally told you bold face lies"
Yea, that never happened before. Honest people don't buy anyone's first story before an investigation. That incudes all sides. It also has no bearing on the shooting being justified or not in the end. Beyond a day of arguments, any such statement doesn't do anything at all except give you something to distract with, so just say "Thanks".
"One of the saddest things is that the dead guy does not seem like someone who would actually shoot anybody."
Really? I have a CCP, but almost never carry. It's a hassle, and I've never been in a situation where I wished I had a gun (Well, I have, but now I'm glad I didn't).
But here's the thing. I could imagine, that if I were on the streets of Minneapolis, wearing a MAGA hat, it might make sense for me to have a gun. Cuz there's a lot of crazy on the street in Minneapolis lately. But this clown? Who did he expect to use that weapon on? Some skell from Antifa? I don't think so. He stuck a gun in his pocket and went out to confront federal agents. To my mind, he seems a lot like someone who would actually shoot somebody.
john mosby said...
The need to pursue every single law enforcement mistake (or optically bad but lawfully good decision) into career death or prison (which is basically physical death for a cop) has been taken to the point of absurdity. It's part of the criminal-Democrat complex that makes enforcement functionally impossible. ICE are just the latest victims.
1/25/26, 2:47 PM
I'm grateful for it. The friends of Derek Chauvin and the National Guard will stand aside when pressed, then Tim Walz and all the cartel lawyers will be dangling from ropes. Hopefully Stephen will be among them.
Just to be clear, you people think that a ICU nurse who cares for our nation's veterans is a domestic terrorist who when coming to the aid of a woman who was bull rushed and shoved to the ground by A group of cowardly fat men then gets pepper sprayed in the face wrestled to the ground, and Disarmed deserves them to be shot in the back 10 times.
You are absolutely pitiful.
’” Murphy told host Dana Bash on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
Really? Someone on CNN blamed it on Trump, and that means something to you?
’…the Trump administration is creating this mayhem, particularly in cities in swing states, in order to take control of the election…’
Everybody’s favorite swing state - Minnesota!! lol
Howard, Are you going to do something, or just sit there typing? The Gestapo is taking over the country!
What Pretti and Good were doing was NOT protesting, it was Obstruction.
You want an example of legally-defined protesting?
If you protest in front of an abortion center:
• you cannot intrude on a ‘buffer zone’ — i.e., you have to keep a specific distance away;
• you cannot obstruct or intimidate;
• you cannot block driveways or doors;
• you cannot use excessive noise.
In February 2025 the Supreme Court allowed the following to stand: a measure that stated that protesters cannot come within eight feet of another person, inside a 100-foot perimeter of a health care facility's entrance.
Funny: using that as a guideline, Minnesota’s anarchy looks NOTHING like protest.
Maybe if those in Minnesota protested under similar guidelines there wouldn’t be such chaos, and people wouldn’t be getting shot.
Maybe if the Minnesota police ensured such guidelines the ICE agents could do their jobs.
Why, it’s almost as if the idea is not to protest but rather to conflate the issues into politically-useful violence.
Like I said yesterday: I am beyond tired of the arsonists demanding that the Fire Department responds in a manner more to their liking.
I am Laslo.
Maryland mans margarita partner shirley
I've found that the best way to "MONITOR" law enforcement is to bring a loud whistle and blow it in their ears, honk my car horn like a crazy person while I wiggle and shimmy with immature glee, block the road with my vehicle, dis-obey any order law enforcement give me as they ask me to stop doing those things, fight them, bring a concealed (or not) gun and not understand proper gun laws and safe protocols.
yeah - MONITORING, baby.
After all - Tim Walz and the MN Mayor just told me that ICE agents are not real law enforcement.
" IW call themselves observers. Why?"
insurrectionists.com was already taken.
Pacwest @ 3:03. I don’t know of anyone opposing the removal illegal immigrants in the sense that they knowingly crossed the boarder illegally. If they snuck in, throw them out. I could agree that those brought over as children and are crime free could get a pass.
But this is something the MAGAnuts struggle with. Asylum seekers are here legally. Those here with permission with visas or other forms are here legally.
But I know, many still can’t get past the “worse of the worse” lie.
And I gotta say, the spare mag is a nice touch. It's easy to imagine a situation where firing ten shots at a group of armed federal agents might not completely get the job done. That spare mag could make all the difference.
Pacwest @ 3:03. I don’t know of anyone opposing the removal illegal immigrants in the sense that they knowingly crossed the boarder illegally. If they snuck in, throw them out
That is not what people on my neighborhood want. That is not what Ice Watch wants. I don’t think that’s what Keith Ellison wants, or the people who run the DFL want.
"To my mind, he seems a lot like someone who would actually shoot somebody."
LOL. This guy was a pretender.
Had a good friend. He had a couple of automatics, and he was a big talker. One day, he is going on and on about someone who had slighted him. As we are drinking beer, I keep encouraging him to take care of business. I tell him I know where the guy lives and will show him.
Friend gets his gun, we start driving in his car. I am still encouranging him to take action. He agrees, but a little less so. As wee get within five minutes of the target, I start mildly giving him opportunity to change his mind. Didn't take much for him to become forgiving of his adversary and make a u turn.
All talk, no action. The dead guy seems the same to me. The 2 clips is concerning though. But, if he was gonna do something, why hesitate?
Always think of him when the feds have half a dozen under cover guys encourage a few similar blowhards to "kidnap a governor" or something.
We hold elections to determine laws, so no one should be violently protesting and interfering with the law being enforced.
If you don’t like a law, you vote for people who campaign to change it. If you want a law, you vote for people who campaign to implement it. Living with the outcome of elections is the whole point of democracy.
Incidentally, virtually all our current immigration laws were passed by Democrat controlled legislatures and signed by Democrat Presidents.
Ronald J. Ward said...
Pacwest @ 3:03. I don’t know of anyone opposing the removal illegal immigrants in the sense that they knowingly crossed the boarder illegally.
1/25/26, 3:14 PM
Look, if you want to be stupid AND a liar, have at it. That just makes your enemies cheer when your fellow travellers are killed on camera.
The vast illegal tide is about to be quelled.
I will take seriously anyone who was concerned about Philando Castile who was shot at a traffic stop in a suburb of Minneapolis after informing a policeman about his legal concealed carry weapon and who was just sitting in his car. (His girlfriend filmed the event on her phone.) However, I think people who get into tussles with law enforcement while carrying are idiots. That man approached the police and attempted to interfere with them. What happened to allowing yourself to be arrested to make your point?
Get a flippin’ clue, Howie!
Ron Ward - Biden is on tape asking illegals "to surge the border and abuse our asylum laws."
Asylum is not for people seeking a better life - which is everyone on planet earth. No - Asylum is for people who are facing death - ie: Iran, and need to be kept safe until it's sorted.
10-20 million illegals do not fall under a category of needed asylum - except to the corrupt left who have corrupted everything.
In NYC, even if you are licensed to carry, you are not allowed to have a weapon at a protest. A couple of years ago a Republican city council member (yes, they exist) was arrested when she went to counter-protest at a pro-Palestinian rally and was carrying. The charges were subsequently dropped because the gun wasn't loaded.
As I understand it, though you can get a license to carry in NYC, there are so many places where you aren't allowed to carry that it's almost useless outside of your home. I'm not sure if these laws have been challenged on 2nd Amendment grounds.
Asylum seekers are legal in the same way a daycare with no kids is.
Ann, what is the record number comments for one of your posts?
Peachy “ Asylum is not for people seeking a better life - which is everyone on planet earth. No - Asylum is for people who are facing death - ie: Iran, and need to be kept safe until it's sorted.”
Kinda like those white African farmers pissed off about African land reform?
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/2015505631105753301
Stephen said...
...I believe the country would be better off to find such people a way to citizenship.
Which ones, exactly? The murderers? The rapists and child molesters? The gang members? The human traffickers and drug dealers? The fraudsters? I'm all ears.
I remember some Althouse posts getting over 600 back in the day, but I think the most is higher than that.
As Jesse Kelly wisely states - Governor Walz is a corrupt communist - probably paid by the Chi Coms.
Corrupt communists USE their broken loyalist base - to fuel rage and do their dirty work for them.
We need you to "Put your bodies on the line" - says the white female leftist LT Governor of MN.
They told us Democrats would turn America into a
show-your-papers society.
They told us Democrats would strip away the Second
Amendment.
They told us Democrats would jail us for what we say.
They told us Democrats would drag us into more
foreign wars.
They told us Democrats would cover up a child sex trafficking ring.
And then Republicans took power and decided to do all by themselves.
There goes Laslo again. Showing off his Harvard law degree.
I question the sanity of someone that will spend hours harassing armed officers, and then put their hand on a handgun, while being arrested for assaulting the same officers. I nominate him for the Darwin Award.
’That is not what people on my neighborhood want. That is not what Ice Watch wants. I don’t think that’s what Keith Ellison wants, or the people who run the DFL want.’
Appreciate your views on the ground, Alan. I won’t ask you to psychoanalyze your neighbors, but I wish someone could provide a rational justification for the actions of the protestors.
Howard said...
Just to be clear, you people think that a ICU nurse who cares for our nation's veterans is a domestic terrorist who when coming to the aid of a woman who was bull rushed and shoved to the ground by A group of cowardly fat men then gets pepper sprayed in the face wrestled to the ground, and Disarmed deserves them to be shot in the back 10 times.
You are absolutely pitiful.
Deserve has nothing to do with it. You are acting like a whiny little girl.
He was blowing whistles and trying to obstruct law enforcement from doing their job. He had a gun on him and no ID. Nobody with any sense will do something so stupid.
He was a fucking idiot. He was a tool used by a bunch of shit weasels.
And Chuck is still here complaining about NAZIs like a fucking coward. Chuck is so happy that someone died and he gets to wave a bloody shirt.
Chuck is waving his bloody shirt and getting whiny little moral juveniles like Howard to dance to his tune.
"I don’t know of anyone opposing the removal illegal immigrants in the sense that they knowingly crossed the boarder illegally"
LOL! Good one!
ICE Isn't a Walk-In Clinic: Why Officers Don't Let Random 'Doctors' Rush Active Shooting Scenes – Twitchy https://share.google/K4pKm8PveGakLgiH2
Laslo,
If Rush Limbaugh was still alive, he’d read your comment at 3:10 on the air.
Iman said...
Get a flippin’ clue, Howie!
Or an enema.
RJW said
“They told us Democrats would turn America into a
show-your-papers society.
They told us Democrats would strip away the Second
Amendment.
They told us Democrats would jail us for what we say.
They told us Democrats would drag us into more
foreign wars.
They told us Democrats would cover up a child sex trafficking ring.
And then Republicans took power and decided to do all by themselves.”
So you should be happy.
Ronald J. Ward said...
They told us Democrats would turn America into a
show-your-papers society. They told us Democrats would strip away the Second
Amendment. They told us Democrats would jail us for what we say.
You did.
They told us Democrats would drag us into more
foreign wars.
What foreign wars are we in right now?
They told us Democrats would cover up a child sex trafficking ring.
Joe Biden lost over 400,000 in the US who were sent to people who were not their parents. You probably have one in your basement.
And then Republicans took power and decided to do all by themselves.
You can't name a single instance where any of these things happen.
But you are a piece of shit that is happy that Pretti got killed. You are clearly hoping for more people to get killed.
"2006. Amy Klobuchar says she wants a border fence (wall).
Says illegals shouldn’t be allowed in the country as legal immigrants wait in line and companies hiring illegals must be prosecuted.
If she said this now, she’d be labeled a fascist by every Democrat in Minnesota."
the lock step/ chi-com pay checks have changed the minds.
Jonathan Chait tells what MAGA thinks about the 2A. Chait wouldn't be caught dead having a longstanding friendly relationship with a MAGA, i.e., someone like me, because that's worse than having a longstanding relationship with a fugitive Nazi war criminal. (The Nazi war criminal's conversation might be worth a Pulitzer, don't cha know.)
On the other hand, I'd enjoy treating Jonny to a steak dinner just to hear his unfiltered inanities before his editor gets hold of them. But he won't return my calls. So in the spirit of The Atlantic, I will now give my readers the definitive, Chait-approved, non-MAGA interpretation of the Second Amendment. Ready? Here 'tis:
The Second Amendment is obsolete. It was written by dead white slaveholders, which makes the entire concept icky. However, in deference to the few non-slaveholders among the founders, the right to keep and bear arms, generously interpreted, extends only to single-shot blackpowder weapons in use before the invention of the Ferguson priming cap. Therefore, your SIG Sauer P226 is completely unlawful to own, let alone carry. Only duly appointed law enforcement officers can possess anything that can discharge a self-contained metallic cartridge, and only if they are enforcing laws we, your betters, agree with, such as gun confiscation laws. Law enforcement officers enforcing laws we don't agree with, such as any law that historically involves the arrest and prosecution of anyone browner than Quaestor, are Nazis and therefore ineligible for anything except a life behind bars. So there.
I have known various illegals for 40 years, some very close friends. I lived with a Mexican woman for 12 years who became a citizen. I've known some illegals who have been here decades longer than they ever lived in their birth country. Most try to be very law abiding after getting here. I want them to be legal as much as they do, but they screwed up. It was their decision to not get legal, usually out of fear of being sent back. I would be happy if a way was made for them to get legal, but it still would not be fair to those who did it right. I know a lot of people who did it right too. It takes 6-10 years and $$$. They don't resent these long timers, but they would if they still couldn't get legal when the cheaters did. I don't see a way to make it fair unless you make it quick and easy for everyone. I would favor naturalizing everyone who has been here 10 years without a conviction and without using public assistance, or maybe just a short time of assistance, and charge them $20 grand.
"show your papers" - is the left's little meme spreader. Like Monsanto.
why do you leftists talk out of both sides of your mouths?
We are a nation of laws. Illegal immigrants are just that - illegal.
Laslo 3:10 - yes!
Shorter Howie: Help us, Obi-Wan Soros, you're our only hope!
Just an old country lawyer said...Ann, what is the record number comments for one of your posts?
I recall them hitting over 800 back in the Palin-mania days.
"I would favor naturalizing everyone who has been here 10 years without a conviction and without using public assistance, or maybe just a short time of assistance, and charge them $20 grand."
Democrats have had many years to draft and pass laws agreeable to bagoh2o, but have never done anything except encourage criminal infraction of the existing immigration statutes.
The more I read about Pretti- the more questions I have. Particularly the fact HE deleted all his social media before he went to the riot. Not the authorities after, or the social media companies, he did it.
Possible motive? The one that immediately comes to mind is- suicide by cop.
What?
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Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
"The man who was kiIIed by ICE was apparently in anti-ICE resistance signal chat groups
Do you know who’s running the chats?
Minnesota State Rep Alex Falconer.
He admitted it. He’s open about it.
When is he going to be hauled in for questioning?
@FBI"
Laslo's point about illegal protests, which were codified in law by current Democrats really shows all the comments here about right to protest are just bullshit. Democrats stomped all over that right too. It's like they have no real principles at all.
I dubbed chaitred long ago, back when he was at the new republic
"bagoh20 said...
I remember some Althouse posts getting over 600 back in the day, but I think the most is higher than that.
1/25/26, 3:30 PM"
"chickelit said...
I recall them hitting over 800 back in the Palin-mania days."
Waiting for Ritmo, Crack, and Inga to show up and get this show on the road..
Gemini sez
"As of 2026, the largest number of comments officially highlighted on Ann Althouse's Blogspot post is 1,583 comments.
This record was established during a live-blogging event for the 2012 U.S. Presidential Election. While the blog frequently hosts active discussions—often reaching 50 to 200+ comments on high-interest political or legal topics—this specific milestone remains a notable high-water mark in the site's history"
You mean derail
So, now leftists are experts on the Second Amendment?
Nope.
It's like they have no real principles at all.
Money and power. Schumer is a very principled man.
Gospace said...
Possible motive? The one that immediately comes to mind is- suicide by cop.
1/25/26, 4:01 PM
Or plans to kill them, yes.
" HE deleted all his social media before he went to the riot."
WTF! Put that together with the extra magazines, and no ID, and it looks like a pretty dangerous guy had made a serious decision.
’Particularly the fact HE deleted all his social media before he went to the riot. Not the authorities after, or the social media companies, he did it.’
If true, it would reveal his state of mind. Suicide by cop could be it, and could explain the extra magazines for that extra special farewell spectacular.
Leftist communists and their principles
But illegal child sex traffickers are ALL -COOL - with the universal C-Left.
"Who here, other than Achilles, is prepared to defend the argument that there should be no investigation?"
There will be an internal investigation as a matter of course. No need for anything else unless findings warrant it. But you mean there should be a public show trial with the full contingent of clowns don't you?
BTW thanks for putting the lie to Chuck's comment above.
They also believe they can relieve a "burden" for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress. Dumb and dumber is a wicked solution, albeit politically congruent in liberal jurisdictions.
Sorry Howard. You are the pitiful one.
You pretend to be a tough guy old school liberal, but you are really Tim Waltz.
Gospace said...
The more I read about Pretti- the more questions I have. Particularly the fact HE deleted all his social media before he went to the riot. Not the authorities after, or the social media companies, he did it.
Possible motive? The one that immediately comes to mind is- suicide by cop.
But he didn't delete the Anti ICE Signal chat room he was in with about 20,000 other insurrectionists.
"But you mean there should be a public show trial with the full contingent of clowns don't you?"
By "full contingent of clowns", you mean "run by Democrats", right?
This looks like a suicide by cop. Why else were his parents so worried about him.
It may be he wanted to be a martyr. Which is so very sad.
I prefer “Officer Assisted Suicide”.
Old politicians playing with young disturbed lives.
We are still a ways off, but we are getting closer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9INnMMwvnk
Grok says NO, Alex did not delete his social media.
Howard: "You people with your disgusting ghoulish thrill-seeking Joy over the murder of American citizens"
Let's go back to first principals.
Where are the Minneapolis police? Crowd control is their job.
Why is ICE there in the first place?
Do you understand the concept of Illegal?
It's not my fault you choose to be stupid.
Keep Scrolling for all the corrupt fraud operated by the corrupt MN democrat party --> happy coincidences.
is it any wonder they are losing their minds? Their entire house of cards it all there for us to see.
Pretti entertained thoughts of selfie-abortive ideation? Perhaps. It would explain the irrational Choice to bring a weapon to a legal action.
"“Before all this chaos erupted, the entire country had its eyes on the fraud; now everybody is angry about ICE. That’s how Frey and Walz want it.”
someone smart
I have seen no evidence suggesting he deleted his social accounts. Can anyone provide proof?
The ethics of the story is beware the nurse with the Pro-Choice religion following progressive principles wielding a liberal license with equitable intent and criminal affirmative action.
The site where the democrats were trying to prevent an illegal criminal from being arrested had 3 different businesses listed at it.
Guess what kind of businesses they were.
’Can anyone provide proof?’
I found the name on Instagram and it looks like him. Locked account, so I can’t see any details.
’Guess what kind of businesses they were.’
Learing Centers?
How Minnesota nice is this? National Guard units handing out hot chocolate, donuts and pizza to anti ICE protestors. They’re wearing yellow reflective vests to distinguish them from ICE.
ICE killed more people under Obama than they have under Trump.
Grok says: The question of his social media accounts is currently undetermined. Many claims of it, no proof yet. No current X account has been found, but reference to one on January 13th exist. No conclusive proof either way so far.
Beasts of England said...
’Guess what kind of businesses they were.’
Learing Centers?
And Home Health.
Inga said...
How Minnesota nice is this? National Guard units handing out hot chocolate, donuts and pizza to anti ICE protestors. They’re wearing yellow reflective vests to distinguish them from ICE.
So they are supporting sedition and treason?
’How Minnesota nice is this?’
From the link:
‘MN National Guard members have arrived at the site of the federal building, and have been ordered to distribute donuts, coffee and hot chocolate to anti-ice protestors.’
So nice they were ordered to do it… lol
Not long ago - the left HATED the National Guard.
No, there is no credible evidence that Alex Pretti deleted all his social media accounts before his death.
Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a 37-year-old ICU nurse, was fatally shot by U.S. Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis on January 24, 2026, during an incident tied to immigration enforcement protests or operations. The event has sparked widespread controversy, protests, and conflicting claims about the circumstances (e.g., whether he was disarmed before being shot, if he posed a threat, etc.), but mainstream news reports from sources like AP, CNN, NBC, BBC, The New York Times, Wikipedia summary of the incident, and others do not mention any deletion of his social media.
Claims that he “deleted his social media footprint” appear almost exclusively in recent X (Twitter) posts from January 25, 2026—often from accounts pushing narratives that he premeditated the confrontation (e.g., intending “suicide by cop,” planning not to return, or acting as a “useful idiot” for political distraction). These posts repeatedly use similar phrasing (“deleted his social media footprint before he went there with his pistol”), suggesting a coordinated or echoed talking point rather than verified fact. No linked evidence, screenshots, archived profiles, or official statements support this.
In high-profile cases, social media can be scrubbed, seized by authorities, or made private post-incident for investigative or privacy reasons (as seen in other unrelated examples from search results). However, nothing indicates Pretti personally deleted his accounts beforehand. Family statements (shared via media and social media) describe him as kind-hearted, non-political in discussions, and caring toward veterans and family—without any reference to him erasing his online presence.
The claim seems to stem from speculation or misinformation circulating online amid the polarized reactions to his killing, rather than confirmed reports. If new details emerge (e.g., from ongoing investigations or family), that could change, but based on available information, it’s unsubstantiated.
Grok
Serving food and drink to violent protesters interfering with federal law enforcement efforts? Sounds perilously close to obeying unlawful orders.
I love seeing the warm friendly smiles on the Minnesota National Guard’s faces.
Inag - were the MN national Guard folks forced to hand out pamphlets and loud whistles? with rage-fueled instructions on how to "MONITOR" - federal agents doing their jobs?
Inag - why do you follow Walz orders? Are you some type of hiveminded cultist?
Nobody believes Pretti was nice or non-political Inga.
Get a life. That stupid propaganda only works on retards like you.
We love the Minnesota National Guard as well. God bless all cops and soldiers.
Under Obama:
" In 2018, Homan received the Exceptional Service Gold Medal (a high DHS/ICE award) for career contributions, including his role in record-high enforcement. During the Obama years (especially FY 2012–2014 peak), ICE removals totaled well over 900,000 in some cumulative periods Homan oversaw or contributed to (e.g., FY 2009–2016 overall removals exceeded 3 million, with peaks around 400k+ per year)."
Inag buys Walz corrupt crap that Immigrations and customs officers are not real or to be tolerated.
Fuck Walz.
Obama gave an award to the leader of the Gestapo for doing what he's doing now, but doing it more and harder. No principles beyond politics.
Pretti drove hundreds of miles to participate in a violent protest obstructing federal officers.
Pretti was armed with no ID and violently resisted arrest.
Totally nice and non-political.
Democrats are just dishonest people at the core of their being.
Isn’t it odd that Grok would return a few hundred words of narrative instead of performing - oh, I don’t know - an AI search for his accounts? Seems like the perfect task for such a tool.
Achilles, bruv, I caused this confusion when I said the offender worked at a VA hospital. That's Veterans Administration, not Virginia. I think he drove hundreds of yards to the protest. But my fault for inaccuracy. RLTW, JSM
Stephen, we all DON'T agree that it was legal for him to have a gun in his possession. As another person on this thread has pointed out, he did not have a photo ID nor his permit to carry, so his possession was a violation of the law.
I really don't care, Margaret, if you all me a ghoul. These violent protesting thugs (that's for you, Howard) who interfere in the legal actions of an officer of the law deserve whatever they get. In this thug's case, I would have added a tenth bullet if I had one remaining.
The wearing of the yellow vests by the Minnesota NG is genius. It distinguishes them from the DHS goons. It’s good for the protestors to know who is who.
Pretti was in the Kingfield IW group. That doesn’t mean he lived there but assuming he did that’s the next neighborhood over from Whittier.
As I said in the other thread I don’t think where Pretti was killed had anything to do with any of the buildings in the block. It was 9 AM on a Saturday. Almost nothing in Whittier is open then except for the Glam Doll Donuts and Spyhouse Coffee. That block doesn’t have any residences on it facing Nicollet.
"have been ordered to distribute donuts, coffee and hot chocolate to anti-ice protestors"
Paid for by... ?
The great Oracle Obama (if he could pull his head out of his backside) would opine, "Don't bring a gun to a demonstration".
And a Black father and mother would give the "talk" to their teenage boy about how you approach a law enforcement officer.
And a law enforcement officer would say, "I don't give the first shot to someone I'm arresting. If they pull a gun, I'm going to ventilate him or her immediately."
All words to live by.
His right to carry a scalpel, a gun, or another weapon of that class, is not in dispute.
Has anyone found any social media for Pretti? I haven't seen any but then I haven't really searched for it either. If there is none available, there are three possibilities-(1) He deleted it himself, (2) the FBI has sequestered it, and (3) he didn't participate in social media. If (1), then he most likely was planning on going out in a blaze of glory and chickened out and just ended up getting his ass killed in probably the dumbest way possible. If (2), then we might get to see it at some point though the left will probably claim it was made up by the FBI. If (3), then we have a rarity- an under 40 year old American who doesn't do social media.
Very late to the party, but two questions come to mind.
The border patrol dudes pulled a gun from Pretti before they shot him. Would it have been reasonable to assume that, once the gun was pulled, that the agents definitively knew he was indeed unarmed, or might they have thought he had another gun? We've seen plenty of cases where gunmen bring multiple weapons and ammunition.
Various Minnesota politicians and operatives have been claiming that ICE figures are incorrect, assertions that have been accepted at face value in the local media here. Given the state government was somehow unable to detect billions of dollars in fraud, do you consider it reasonable to believe the assertions of these same politicians now? If so, why?
I've heard varying reports about the Signal chat that Pretti apparently participated in. We know that Alex Falconer, a state representative, has participated in it. I have also seen reports that Peggy Flanagan, the state's lieutenant governor, has also participated. If state officials are involved in efforts to thwart ICE operations and it can be proven that they have directed efforts that crossed the line into illegality, that changes the picture, I would think.
The wearing of the yellow vests by the Minnesota NG is genius. It distinguishes them from the DHS goons..
The state patrol and conservation officers wore yellow vests yesterday. Maybe DHS did too (it was pretty chaotic on Nicollet). State Patrol was the one who shot the tear gas and cleared the street.
The MNARNG donut tactic might be a psyop. Establish yourselves as the nice guys so the demonstrators think twice about throwing fireworks, lasing you, blasting whistles in your ears, etc. If it doesn't work (which it probably won't), then you can always say you started from the moral high ground.
A lot of MNARNG officers and senior NCOs are smart enough to think of psyops like this. Their elected masters certainly are not. CC, JSM
I found an Instagram account with a photo that looked similar to his published photos, Yancey, but it was locked so I couldn’t see a city or employer, if shared.
From Inag's link:
"National Guard".... "have been ordered to distribute donuts, coffee and hot chocolate to anti-ice protestors."
"have been ordered"
That's a Walz move.
Also the MNARNG are handing out those donuts in daylight. There is a big difference between the day and night protest groups. The nighttime ones are the hardcore out-of-state professional Antifa. Doubt they will look kindly at anyone who gives them a donut. CC, JSM
No National Guard in Whittier yesterday. I heard they were on alert but did not come.
Perhaps Federal Ice Agents - can get some of those same vests. Perhaps that would fake-out Walz' leftist street bullies. ?
“Pretti drove hundreds of miles to participate in a violent protest obstructing federal officers.”
No, this claim is not supported by available evidence and appears to be false or significantly exaggerated.
Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a 37-year-old ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA Health Care System (a federal facility), was fatally shot by U.S. Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis on January 24, 2026, during an incident involving anti-ICE/immigration enforcement protests.
• Location and residence: Pretti lived and worked in Minneapolis (or the immediate area), as confirmed by multiple sources including his employment at the local VA hospital, family statements, union representations (e.g., from nurses’ associations), and news reports describing him as a “Minneapolis man.” There is no indication he resided hundreds of miles away (e.g., in Wisconsin, Colorado, or elsewhere) and drove a long distance specifically for this event.
Travel aspect: No credible reports mention Pretti driving “hundreds of miles” to attend. One outlier reference noted his parents in Colorado urging caution about protests, but this does not indicate he traveled from there—his job and life were Minneapolis-based. Claims of long-distance travel seem unsubstantiated and may stem from misinformation or conflation with other details.”
Grok
That’s why I never bother. To give a hint, I was referring to what Bovine and Noem were telling us yesterday verses what we know today.
If you want to say something, say something. Don't hint. It doesn't even have to rhyme. Blank verse would be fine.
The simple fact is that he was interfering with the border patrol agents, got into a scuffle with one of them, and then got himself targeted for detainment. We don't know what was said, we don't know if he approached that agent with the gun showing in some manner, and we don't know why he was resisting arrest so vigorously. The body cam footage will answer a lot of this.
I think the videos show that he was shot after the gun was removed from his possession but I think that gun is the one that discharges the first shot fired and it doesn't appear to me that the agent who had it touched the trigger at all.
However, there is some sort of narrative tool that is being used here that has been used in the Good shooting, too- that these agents aren't law enforcement and so it is legal to get up in their faces while they are working. Would any of the commenters here stop behind a police officer who had pulled someone over and had that driver cuffed behind the car and approach that officer, get in his face and argue with him? Would any of you do it while carrying a gun yourself? It isn't even a question of whether you are coward or not- it is only a question of how stupid such an action is in the first place. Pretti behaved like a complete moron would behave- much the same way Rebecca Good behaved. You don't have a legal right to do what either of them did- you are, in fact, breaking the law by doing so since these are duly designated law enforcement officers. Such officers have a qualified right shoot your ass dead if it looks like you might be some sort of lethal threat. This is why it is stupid to do what Pretti and Good did. It is Darwin in action, not the Gestapo. Idiots get killed by the police all the time doing exactly what Good and Pretti did.
’I have also seen reports that Peggy Flanagan, the state's lieutenant governor, has also participated.’
Instapundit has a video of her near the top of the page, re: ICE, telling people to put their bodies on the line. Wow.
Moar IgnaRants®… asked no one, ever.
The line of delineation between the Commie Corksoakers and Sentient Citizens is becoming more visible every hour.
“We already knew that Pretti was carrying a loaded handgun and two extra loaded magazines when he showed up at an active ICE operation targeting a violent criminal illegal immigrant. And like Good before him, Pretti wasn’t some random citizen. He was part of an organized network dedicated to interfering with immigration enforcement. And he brought a loaded gun.
Cam Higby from Newsmax spent days undercover inside the Signal messaging groups these activists use to coordinate their efforts. What he found was stunning in its sophistication. These aren’t just angry citizens showing up to protest. This is a well-oiled machine running 24 hours a day, seven days a week.”
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2026/01/25/the-left-doesnt-want-you-to-know-this-about-the-man-shot-by-border-patrol-n4948728?fbclid=IwY2xjawPjWSRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeFu3DeqCYk_dSLD4G3rnBjFmqVA49uBlmTJ3CPZpLo8bYMZj3g_uiLowVdyo_aem_4j2ktOyRDhvGDw0qnGAdCA
"The wearing of the yellow vests by the Minnesota NG is genius."
You may not know this, but anyone can wear one of those including ICE. Yea, genius it is.
The Dems keep telling us Pretti had every right to be there and be armed, as if the ICE agents don't.
Well said, Tom Locker @4:48PM!
Yancey Ward said...
I think the videos show that he was shot after the gun was removed from his possession but I think that gun is the one that discharges the first shot fired and it doesn't appear to me that the agent who had it touched the trigger at all.
It was a sig p320.
They are known for doing that.
Biff@11:20 nails it. This all you have to know.
So the cops are struggling to get this guy under arrest, and he's resisting enough that they can't control his hands or even keep him down. The cops see the gun, someone yells "gun". At about the same time Pretti's gun is removed, but discharges in the process, making the announcement of the gun and the following discharge tell the cops he's shooting at them, so they shoot back. Not what was really happening, but pretty convincing in the situation. It was life or death in the minds of the cops, and should be ruled justified. Also not what the Federal officials claimed, nor what the Anti-ICE people like Walz claim either. That's my take. I have yet to see a police shooting that actually happened the way either side portrays it in the first days.
I’m pretty sure if they need to they will wear some other item of identification or clothing that is easily seen and recognized, that the DHS goons won’t be wearing.
I'm pretty sure that most of the cops did not know one cop had the gun, if he really did.
If their bosses were smart, they would make the NG wear rainbow flags.
Contrary to Inga (6:39pm) I have read on Twitter that many of the anti-ICE people are intentionally dressing up in similar colors and styles to what ICE wears, to help confuse the situation. I'm wondering if we know for a fact that the guy in gray who took Pretti's gun was an ICE agent, or someone else.
From Cynical Publius:
’Recently revealed Signal chats show that this felonious paramilitary operation to disrupt ICE operations is being formally coordinated with Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor and other elected state officials.
This is a criminal conspiracy of immense and troubling magnitude…’
Thank goodness it’s not an insurrection, or anything like that.
Weevil: "I'm wondering if we know for a fact that the guy in gray who took Pretti's gun was an ICE agent, or someone else."
Considering that the gun wound up in ICE hands, he must be at least an ICE fellow-traveller. I have seen at least one comment that he's an ICE agent doing countersurveillance in plainclothes, who jumped into the emerging incident.
There is always the tendency to tunnel vision on the current problem, but ICE has been doing a good job of having at least one guy look up and out to reduce interference on the guys looking down and in. In the long tape of the shooting incident, for instance, a couple of agents push away demonstrators who are trying to get too close to the ruck. CC, JSM
Bad ideas get stupid people killed. The left is a font of bad ideas.
Supporters of the Second Amendment—those who value the right to keep and bear arms, openly or concealed—must confront a chilling reality from the fatal shooting in Minneapolis.
Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old ICU nurse and U.S. citizen, was tackled to the ground and disarmed by federal agents. Cellphone videos analyzed by multiple outlets (including WSJ, NYT, WaPo, NPR, CNN and others) clearly show that one agent removed his licensed firearm before two other agents opened fire—unloading ten rounds into a man who was already face-down, subdued, and posing no apparent threat. He did not draw the weapon. He did not point it. He did not fire. Yet he was executed on video, in broad daylight, by masked federal officers.This was not self-defense. This was not a split-second reaction to imminent danger. This was shoot first, ask questions never—carried out with the full confidence that "qualified immunity" and political cover would shield the shooters.
Now ask yourself: If federal agents can gun down an unarmed (by that point) American citizen in public view after removing his legally carried weapon, what happens when the political winds shift?
A different administration—or even a state governor—could deploy the same aggressive tactics against you.
The same rhetoric of "enemies within" that justifies this today could be redirected tomorrow at gun owners, conservatives, or anyone labeled a threat.
Ruby Ridge has haunted the right for decades as a symbol of federal overreach in an armed standoff. This was worse: no standoff, no resistance, just extrajudicial killing of a disarmed man on camera.
The agents were armored in Kevlar, faces hidden, empowered by promises of near-absolute protection from the Trump administration. Pretti had no such shield.
If you believe the Second Amendment exists to protect against government tyranny, this incident is a stark warning. The right to bear arms means little if agents can disarm you, pin you down, and empty their firearms into you without consequence.
Demand accountability now—before the precedent is set that this kind of lethal force is acceptable against citizens exercising their constitutional rights. Because next time, it could be you or someone you know lying prone on the pavement.
Governing and advocating civil rights are not compatible by design? I’m not an expert.
Remember the Bundy insanity during the Obama years? Armed guys occupied a federal office and one of their buddies took position with a sniper rifle aimed at federal agents?
Exactly how many of those guys were shot and killed?
Kakistocracy:
Others have pointed this out already, but let me repeat: 1. The man's gun is a model notorious for randomly firing without any trigger-pull. 2. Plenty of people carry more than one gun, so ICE could not know that he posed no threat until after they searched all his pockets, including inside coat pockets, both armpits, both ankles, anywhere a second gun might have been stashed, and I believe he was violently resisting allowing them to do that. 3. When the gun went off, they would naturally assume that he did in fact have a second gun and was firing it. Also, if it weren't for all the screeching whistles around them, they would have been able to communicate with the suspect and each other a lot more effectively.
I remember when the MSM and the Dems said 'good shoot' when unarmed Ashli Babbit was killed. The killer got a promotion.
KakBot, Nobody here prompted you for an imitation of a retarded human on meth? Pretty good though.
Half my world is 2A enthusiasts, and I don't anyone who would endorse what Pretti did, because we know it's stupid. Just being there armed was stupid, maybe felonious if sufficiently premeditated, but definitely stupid.
Probably on qat, sticking to local custom
You lose your right to plea self defense when you engage in criminal conduct.
Shipwreckedcrew @shipwreckedcrew
HAVING a firearm is a basis for police to be in reasonable fear for their own safety when he was resisting arrest.
They can't read his mind.
They are not obligated to assume he won't attempt to use it.
The law did not require them to wait to see if he tried to draw his weapon.
If police are LAWFULLY placing you under arrest, you are engaged in criminal activity if you resist.
If you are involved in criminal activity against lawful orders while armed with a deadly weapon, you have placed you own well-being at risk by your conduct.
"KakBot, Nobody here prompted you for an imitation of a retarded human on meth? Pretty good though."
Bag. Nobody here promoted you for an imitation of a dude that likes having two dicks rammed into his anus at one time? Pretty good though.
Sheesh, how lame is it to just start typing attacks that are not referring to specifics points that are being contradicted?
Answer: very lame.
Try not to be so massively lame Bag. Or don't type anything at all.
Duh.
"Half my world is 2A enthusiasts, and I don't anyone who would endorse what Pretti did, because we know it's stupid. Just being there armed was stupid"
So your 2A friends think that it's bad to legally carry when they are legally allowed to carry.
STFU. 100% of my friends that are 2A nuts, say the whole point of legal carry is that it is legal to carry.
You must hangout with pussies. Or I hang out with exceptionally big ball folks.
I haven't looked at survey data so I don't know if your pussy friends are the majority, or not. I will say that my 2A friends are mostly military, so maybe they are not representative of the general public. IOW, maybe the general public is more like the pussy folks that bag hangs out w/.
IDK.
’Because next time, it could be you or someone you know lying prone on the pavement.’
Your wishful thinking aside, I don’t associate with morons.
Le D, It sounds like you might be getting too attached to your A.I. companion, or did you take the R-word as a personal insult.
Either way, I'll say what I want, and you can drool over sexual organs and the thrill of typing them out.
I never said it was illegal or "bad" to carry. I do it every single day. I said it was stupid to go to a riot, especially armed. Responsible CC people don't talk like you about guns or carrying them. You sound like a 14-year-old that thinks John Wick is real life. Please don't do what Mr. Pretti did. You sound like you just might.
Inag - supports the actual goons. Team Walz.
Of course—Trump and MAGA are running their usual playbook. Same old routine: blame the Democrats, play the victim, and attack the media whenever there's another Border Patrol tragedy. They refuse to accept any responsibility and will do whatever it takes to distract and deflect. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KakBot graphic module is sub-optimal.
"You sound like a 14-year-old that thinks John Wick is real life."
Your 2A friends and my 2A friends are not the same. Most of my 2A friends are in the military and they love talking about gun specs and how many "zombies" they could take out, and how fast they could take out these adversaries. They go on an on for what seems like hours while they brag about the killing potential of their weapons that they carry when they are not on duty.
And they do 100% carry at all times when they are not on duty.
It sounds like you and your 2A friends are scared such that you need to only carry if you feel you are in a certain safe space. IOW you are posers/pussies. IMHO.
Different storks for different folks.
’They go on an on for what seems like hours while they brag about the killing potential of their weapons that they carry when they are not on duty.’
I’ve never heard a gun enthusiast, including myself - or former military / contractors - say anything remotely similar to that bullshit. In fact, I’ve taken a screen shot of your comment for their amusement. I can’t stop laughing…
Don’t Take Your Guns to Town.
Here’s the first reply, la Dookie, from a frequently deployed contractor, and I quote ‘🤣’. You’re full of shit, boy.
"I’ve never heard a gun enthusiast, including myself - or former military / contractors - say anything remotely similar to that bullshit. In fact, I’ve taken a screen shot of your comment for their amusement. I can’t stop laughing…"
Make sure you include the part about my friends talking about how many "zombies" there weapons could take out. I always wondered if that "zombies" thing was a euphemism. Obviously zombies aren't real, so why to my friends talk about how they can take out something that isn't real.
I've always bit my tongue re asking about this zombie thing when face to face with my friends. But now, on the tubes, maybe you and your folk can let me know what's up with jabbering about fire arms that can take out large numbers of zombies.
Laslo @ 3:10: Excellent.
"I’ve never heard a gun enthusiast, including myself - or former military / contractors"
BTW, why did you say "former." My friends are not former. For the record.
Are you supper old?
Good thing the Fed had a gun too. That’s why they are called Peacemakers.
Until very recently, conservative rhetoric has valorized gun ownership as a bulwark against tyrannical government, to the point of fetishization
Ask the Canadian truckers about their free speech. Or the Brits / Australians being arrested for social media posts. Everyone sane understands that a disarmed populace is a populace that is not free
Conservatives defended Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero for bringing a rifle to a chaotic protest in Wisconsin during the summer of 2020
Yep. Without it, he would have been murdered. With it, he was able to defend himself from thugs who attacked him.
If you interfere with ICE, you should get arrested.
If you violently resist arrest, you should get shot.
There is no "left wing protest privilege" that entitles them to violate the law and get away with it. I dont' care how many left wing protesters we have to kill to get that message across:
We're not letting you destroy democracy and the rule of law
’Because next time, it could be you or someone you know lying prone on the pavement.’
Oh, you mean like Ashli Babbitt? Yeah, that ship has sailed. You all thought it was great when she was killed by a cop
Rittenhouse brought a rifle to defend against the riot (setting stuff on fire is not a protest), not to participate in it.
"Ask the Canadian truckers about their free speech."
Did these trucker guys tie up Ottawa and the border crossing for weeks?
How does that compare to the US government killing citizens because....because what? I guess we are told that this guy was a domestic terrorist that was brandishing a gun and he was trying to massacre federal officers? Though there is evidence that says this is not true. Still, he had to be killed. But if he had blocked a city and major roadway for weeks, he's a hero?
Sheesh.
Did these trucker guys tie up Ottawa and the border crossing for weeks?
Yes, they engaged in peaceful protest.
How does that compare to the US government killing citizens because they illegally blocked roads, then assaulted police officers who tried to arrest them?
What did you say your IQ is? 4?
None of the truckers assaulted cops or violently resisted arrest. All the criminal scum killed so far violently resisted arrest.
Let's be clear here: Every single one of those anti-ICE protesters is an enemy of democracy and the rule of law.
1: It is entirely Constitutional to have a border, to have immigration laws, and to deport people who violate them
2: We just had a presidential election where immigration law enforcement was a big issue, and the guy who ran on deporting illegals won
3: The people the protesters are trying to keep them from deporting all have final orders of deportation
There is nothing even remotely legitimate about the cause they are protesting for. If they want to stand out of the way and masturbate, I mean "protest", that's their 1st Amendment right. But that have NO right to interfere with, prevent, or even just slow down ICE's operations.
Anyone who tries should be arrested.
Anyone who violently resists arrest should be killed.
Ashli Babbitt died for less, and the Left was just fine with that. Turn about is fair play
FullMoon wrote: Waiting for Ritmo, Crack, and Inga to show up and get this show on the road.
I thought Kak was Ritmo and before that was Montana Urban Legend. (90+ % sequence homology in argumentative style and verbosity).
"None of the truckers assaulted cops or violently resisted arrest. All the criminal scum killed so far violently resisted arrest."
And the government hasn't killed anyone because they blocked a road. Aside from that...
Mason G said...
And the government hasn't killed anyone because they blocked a road. Aside from that...
Correct, the Trump Admin hasn't killed anyone because they blocked a road. They've only killed people who were violently resisting arrest
Can we unpack this?
So in Canada, the government let the truckers block a city and an international border for weeks. And then, the truckers had their bank accounts frozen, but the government never physically interacted with the truckers? The government didn't kill the truckers?
But, in the US a citizen is helping another citizen that is physically shoved by a government agent, after that assault on citizen one the government agents jump on and disarm citizen two that was helping citizen one (btw citizen two is legally armed and is not brandishing a weapon, and is not a domestic terrorist, and is not attempting to massacre the government thugs) and after citizen two is disarmed the government pumps shots into citizen two's in the back, and the government gets to fire double digits of bullets into citizen two even though citizen two is way past incapacitated.
WTF?
But, in the US a citizen is helping another citizen that is physically shoved by a government agent, after that assault on citizen one the government agents jump on and disarm citizen two that was helping citizen one
The "citizen" who was "physically shoved by a government agent" was committing a crime: "impeding a federal officer in lawful performance of his duties".
The cop had every right to "shove" her, and guy #2 had NO right to interfere.
Once guy #2 started fighting with the cops, any bad thing that happened to him, up to and including him being shot and killed, was entirely deserved
The Left has no right, power, or freedom to stop ICE from deporting illegals. until they accept that, they deserve to be utterly crushed
The stuff from the right on this blog tracks Fox News, Instapundit and gateway pundit, which in turn track Trump and Noem. Often the phrasing is word for word.
Guess what you can't find on those sites: any of the videos of the shooting that show the details that le Douanier and others have cited. Wonder why not?
Greg,
Fine you want the government to take away liberty from citizens in America. I get you.
But can you be consistent and say that the Canadian government was weak when it let the truckers block a city and international boarder for weeks and all they did was eventually freeze bank accounts. Imagine if our government let the protesters block cities for weeks, and then the government froze their bank accounts.
Not here! Here the government shoves you to the ground if you're in the road. And if you help someone that was shoved to the ground the government will disarms you and then shoot you in the back a bunch of times. And after that, they shoot you some more times after you're listless.
This is the DJT worshipers' dream come true. It's a cult.
Stephen said...
Guess what you can't find on those sites: any of the videos of the shooting that show the details that le Douanier and others have cited. Wonder why not?
Because either thelD and others are making shit up, or they're leaving shit out
le Douanier said...
Not here! Here the government shoves you to the ground if you're in the road.
Let me make it really simple for you:
Any left wing propers who blocks the road (which is to say is not in the road as part of a parade with a legally issued permit) should be run over by people in cars, and or knocked over and kicked out of the road by the police.
Because your right to "protest" ends where my time begins.
The "scumbag authoritarian thug" is the leftist who thinks that he / she has the right to force themselves on teh rest of us.
You don't have that right.
Just as I couldn't force teh Biden Admin to enforce US immigration law, you can not force teh Trump Admin NOT to enforce it. you get no say, just like I got no say.
And if you try to force your way to having a say, if you try to trample over democracy and the rule of law in order to get your way, I want the Federal gov't to completely and utterly destroy you.
As they should
I am a gun enthusiast and 2nd amendment supporter. I acknowledge the right of Pretti to carry at the protest. There were a lot of comments on his carrying two extra magazines. I have no problem with that, he can carry a suitcase of ammo if he wants its his right. I question his judgement on going armed to protest a police action. What did he expect would happen? He would defend himself against an armed army of ICE agents. He was looking for suicide by ICE or he was a fucking retard.
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