Writes Anna Krauthamer, in "Why I Didn’t Report My Rape/In 2021, six men sexually assaulted me in a Las Vegas hotel room. Something more than abolitionism prevented me from reporting the crime" (The Nation).
"Abolitionism" refers to "the complete dismantling (not reform) of the prison system."
Abolition takes... reality as it is and dares to dream of a better world regardless. It is also, crucially, a movement and belief system that allows us to mourn rape and its devastating emotional truths. Outside of abolitionist frameworks, the suffering and pain caused by rape and other violent crimes become fodder for mass incarceration. When grief is so easily transformed into the justification for carceral (and genocidal) aims, it can feel as if publicly grieving for rape is an irresponsible or outright dangerous thing to do....
Abolition... is the framework that has accommodated my grief....
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Because she didn’t report it, as if we are supposed to believe her, then the rapist would think they could get away with it and rape another woman. That’s what abolition gets you.
The point of prison is to acknowledge the crime and prevent the perpetrators from doing it to someone else (at least temporarily).
That is indeed a heavy burden, however, to place on a victim as their role in incarceration is most important and a difficult one.
If true, the story follows the playbook. In the end, all she cares about is rationalizing her own feelings. She doesn't really care at all about who else might suffer the same fate. Maybe she thinks a kindly social worker will transform the perps.
Suicidal empathy will kill us all.
"“I don’t want him to be arrested. I want him to stop being someone who does that. And if he went to jail, he’d just be a person who does that who’s also in jail.” " Rape used to be a capital offense. That would stop the rapist from being someone that does that.
She stuck to her principles. Now, other women — and society at large — may reap the consequences. There is moral clarity by virtue of her choice. Wondering though, if she was raped by the same men again, would she choose not to report? Would she regret her initial reluctance to report?
Statute of limitations is 20 years for rape in Nevada. She writes as if the deadline is immediately looming. She still has 16 years to grow up and come to her senses. But having just read her terribly written drivel, she never will.
She was the focus of an alcohol and drug induced gang bang. To rationalize her own personal regret, she concluded after the fact she was raped. She forgives them because she can't change it (and she wasn't raped). (My theory).
She’s not a fighter. Someone needs to teach her self defense for a few years. That would make her dangerous to attack. And the there is always a gun and the Second Amendment.
Kevin @12:59, thank you for being both truthful and kind.
It seems to me that one can THINK that prison is supposed to make the victim feel better, but that doesn't mean that that's what prison is for. Or maybe a better way of putting it is that in more straightforward times, we understood that prison doesn't make the victim whole, but the FACTS that the criminal is paying *A* price (however insufficient the victim may think it is) and also is unable to commit more crimes against others during the prison term were enough to help the victim feel better.
Prison is not, or at least not primarily, for the victim, it seems to me.
I can't remember if Catharine MacKinnon or Andrea Dworkin lied about being treated poorly when she tried to report a rape to a New York City police officer. The description of the police officer was so comically offensive that it must have been a lie. MacKinnon or Dworkin described the police officer as an Archie Bunker type with an Irish brogue who warned her that making a rape accusation would render her unsuitable for marriage and motherhood.
can we assume? that the rapists were people of color?
i'm guessing that;
IF they'd been white guys; she would have wanted them in jail (or dead)?
It's worth remembering that the real-world alternative to the prision system is lynching.
Every crime victim has the right to not report the crime. But there are multiple purposes for incarceration, even though "undoing the past" is not one of them. Most prominent among: a person behind bars is not on the street committing more crimes. Also, the probability of incarceration acts as a deterrent to future crimes.
Most rapes, like most murders, are one-off events. Serial rapists, like serial murderers, are, even among rapists and murderers, fairly rare. These men who raped her may well not rape again. But they might. It's not unreasonable to ask Ms. Krauthamer to think about those future victims as she weighs the decision to report.
Gilligan, it's what happens when people get delinked from the original reasons for things. Chesterton's Fence and all that.
Intellectually, you can forgive some people for thinking that the the average person can be reasoned out of wrongness or debilitated, but then you have to remember all the people that are below average or otherwise damaged. You send a social worker to deal with those people will end up with a dead social worker.
She should have just killed the guy the first chance she got. I can guarantee she would have felt better immediately.
Rape is criminal affirmative action against the individual, other women, and society generally.
Rape-rape h/t Whoopi, not "merely" sodomy or penetration of the back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP, or any other sexual penetration.
This is leftism on full display, along with those poor parents who have their daughters raped and murdered brutally by illegals and then are coerced into saying they want the illegal let go and never, ever deported because it's "racist" to want any consequence for an illegal.
This is Inga's philosophy on full display. The only "bad people" are those "evil white conservatives."
It seems to me that rape isn't something you just try once and give it up. If a wolf is running around the village eating kids, you don't just wish he'd turn vegan.
I imagine that if men suddenly disappeared from the earth most rape would stop, but most women would be dead in a matter of months just due to their feelings getting them killed.
I started reading the story then stopped. If she believes in the elimination of all prisons, I just don't care. Full Stop.
Jake said...
..She was the focus of an alcohol and drug induced gang bang. To rationalize her own personal regret, she concluded after the fact she was raped..
oh! now it's making much more sense!
so;
she got drunk..
she hooked up with a bunch of guys that railed her..
she LOVED IT..
she sobered up..
she felt remorse..
she realized she DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE..
she decided to write a story about it, and make some money.
If we postulate, that she has only vague memories of the night;
her reluctance to file charges makes MUCH MORE SENSE
caveat: i'm not, necessarily saying that This is what happened.
i'm only saying that the whole thing makes sense that way
(and, in NO OTHER)
I mean, seriously: If you look at today's left, they openly and loudly demand we support and let these rapists go, because they are "better" for society than a loving old good Christian grandmother who would never hurt a fly but says "mean things" like "maybe men and women shouldn't be shameless whores." Democrats in general, not all of them, would rather have ten thousand rapists and murderers than one kindly old Grandmother making "moral judgments" that would make a leftist "feel bad."
1) I don't believe this tale is true. I think she has the same rape-fetish mental disorder as the deluded woman who accused Trump of raping her. I think she wants adulation and views for her TikTok.
2) If it is true, it's not all about her and the damage that was done to her and her precious psyche and self-esteem. It's also about putting the thugs behind bars so they don't rape any other women in future.
3) In either case, it's more proof that left-wing white women are one of the most corrosive influences on civilization imaginable. Their witless opinions should be mocked and ignored.
Maybe it wasn't the abolitionism.
She knows the rules and the rules say it stays in Vegas.
I feel very sorry for this poor woman.
Is reporting a rape and having a rape kit applied to your body so painful (physically or psychologically) and stress-inducing that you’d let the perpetrators go free to do it again? If so then society needs to rethink some things. Maybe the otherwise indolent and useless feminists could work on it.
It’s too bad there aren’t cameras in Las Vegas hotels…
"Most rapes, like most murders, are one-off events."
You may find that fiction comforting. Rape is a crime of opportunity. Opportunity abounds.
This is the fakest media rape since Crystal Mangum.
Most rapes, like most murders, are one-off events.
I am not sure where that conclusion comes from. Unlike murder, rape is not as much a crime of passion from a heightened confrontation as murder. There there are the cases of "date rape" and alcohol induced sexual activity that is regretted. But for a person who is a rapist, they often offend serially. For sexual molestation, that is often hundreds of times. I did not read the account, but from comments, the story suggests a gang event where maybe alcohol and regret are involved so maybe no expectation of future events is expected. However, maybe these people would do it again because they have no system of restraint that limits their opportunities to take advantage of a female when it arises. For normal men, it takes a huge number of circumstances to break down the normal barriers that prevent them from abusing a woman. So either there were such circumstances, or these people have a low threshold. Low threshold type people will not rehabilitate with a talking to.
My guess would be that the men didn't burst into her room and rape her out of wonton lust but that there was a huge amount of regret and alcohol involved and her case would be less black and white.
It's worth remembering that the real-world alternative to the prison system is lynching.
It kept things in pretty good order for a long time. I've also read that, contrary to the way it is portrayed in popular culture, the lynch mobs very rarely got the wrong man.
The only major exception to this was accusations of rape. Many innocent men, both black and white, died to uphold the absent "honor" of slatternly women.
"as if arresting and incarcerating someone could change what they did to you" Arresting and incarcerating them would 1. be just 2. affirm the rule of law by applying criminal sanctions to offenders; and 3. prevent future crimes against women by incapacitating bad guys for a long time. Is there a better illustration of prog insanity?
Pinterest is truly aspirational
A... another handmade tale? Probably. The first was based on the assertion that women lack agency. The second is realized with increasing frequency in a socially liberal culture. Planned reproductive rites or womb death care performed for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress and sequestering the "burden" of evidence in sanctuary states produces equitable and inclusive collateral victims. Women and girls have been exploited with empathetic glee. #HateLovesAbortion
It's patently obvious that this broad wants to end prisons so she can get some more dick.
Last night we watched a documentary of the kidnapping and serial rape of the 14 -year-old Elizabeth Smart, that lasted for 9 months before she was rescued. When she was describing the rapes and the disgusting behavior of her captor, I got unusually infuriated. I wanted to get my hands on him and beat him to death. I was surprised at how angry it made me. He would bring her into town in a burka, near people, to a party, and once even got questioned by a police detective, and the girl never said a word to save herself, which she could have easily done. I understand the trauma, but damn. That now made me angry at her for not saving herself and letting the guy get away with it longer, not to mention saving her family months of torment. Even in her consuming fear, I just can't comprehend that. It's beyond my understanding that you could fear pissing off this asshole you hate more than you fear spending more time with him, even after he told her he would eventually kill her.
The abusive and opportunistic personality that does crime sees lack of punishment as proof that their behavior isn't really that bad, and it's hard to argue with that logic.
"The U.S. murder rate in 2025 saw a significant decline, with a drop of about 21% in large cities, marking the largest one-year decrease ever recorded. This reduction is expected to bring the national murder rate to its lowest level since 1900" —DDG AI Assist
Hmm.
Maybe it's an AI hallucination.
She ignored red flags in a situation (Don't get drunk alone; don't go off to "parties" with six strange men) and she was seriously injured as a result. Yes, she was and is seriously injured - if this happened. I just hope she's lying to sell a story and make a name.
And I think she might be lying because I don't see why she thinks the police and the courts are supposed to make her feel good. They'll get six rapists off the streets. It's her family or her friends or her therapist who might help her feel good again. Even if her problem is that she is lying to promote her career.
Rape is one of those crimes that is very easy to allege and virtually impossible to defend, not since Donald Trump was accused by E. Jean Carroll of sexual assault in a Bergdorf Goodman changing room on no particular day, in no particular year, with no corroborating witness.
Krauthamer says six men raped her on no particular day in June 2021. I strongly suspect that if anything even remotely similar happened to Krauthamer in Las Vegas, it was by her invitation: Come on up and see me sometime. (wink-wink) In fact, I'm alleging that now. Anna Krauthamer, you lie! So sue me.
Ever since Stephen Paddock opened fire on the crowd attending the Route 91 Harvest music festival from his 32nd-floor suite in the Mandalay Bay hotel, the Las Vegas hospitality industry has been utterly religious about surveillance. There isn't a single hotel, motel, or pension without 24-hour video of their corridors, stairwells, lobbies, dining rooms, and elevators. If six men enter a room or a suite priced and furnished for no more than four, the typical situation, the hotel investigates. They want their money. If a single woman enters, they suspect prostitution is going on. The management hotel wants them gone to preserve the hotel's reputation, or they want their cut. Without doubt, there's video. So sue me, Anna. Subpoena the tapes.
Hmmmn--No prisons. Which means that vigilantes who mete out "justice" as they see it are free to do so.
Any thoughts on how that might work out?
I'm guessing that Ms. Krauthammer hasn't really thought this through.
Read the whole thing and she never directly addresses this: If nothing else, you report rape and other violent crime to prevent the offender hurting more people.
She raises the question, but rambles off on a tangent and never confronts it. It's pretty much the only question on the minds of most readers.
I dreamed a dream.
I'm with Quaestor. In 2021 there is definitely video proving or disproving if she and those men were there. Las Vegas is the most camera dense city in America, if not the world. That's why I never leave the house without my make up on.
How do people get this stupid, they dont understand what ounishment entails
Just lie back and think of social justice, I guess.
Doesn't care much about the perpetrators next Victims does she? The modern level of stupidity is off the charts.
What happened to her two best friends? Were they in the room too?
If so, one of them would have reported this, unless they all knew it was consensual. So maybe they each had a separate room. Because what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?
Anna K is beautiful or at least very sensual, especially the mouth -- judging from the photos I find online. She doesn't talk about most of the real issues this event raises, as far as I can tell; skimmed the dullsville theorizing arguments. But it would probably take Dostoevsky to do it, and her, justice.
If you want to abolish prisons, do you love the prisoners? Do you imagine them as misunderstood victims? Or too dynamic to be contained in society's categories of justice? How close might a daring young woman who wants to specialize in this field get to the flames that intrigue her? All night? Or is it just a complete fabrication?
I liked her phone that doesn't ring lede, although that also crystallizes some of the problems with the piece. There did not seem to be much emotion behind it. Compare to other rape stories that have turned up on this blog.
Anyway, if she don't care, I don't care.
Most rapes, like most murders, are one-off events.
I don't know if this is true, but I would guess that gang-rapists are much more likely to do it again than one-man rapists.
Thurber attributes the end of marriages to one of the husband or wife slipping from the subjunctive to the indicative.
She describes the hotel as a ‘huge casino resort’. Yeah, right. She can sue me, too: it didn’t happen and she’s a fucking liar.
Yeah she didnt walk out of the hotel, shur it happened
Yeah, what happened is she decided that she wanted other women to be gang raped, too.
What a miserable piece of shit she is
White tawana brawley
"I want him to stop being someone who does that. And if he went to jail" he'd stop doing that to other women while he was in jail.
So long as he didn't claim to be "trans", and get moved to a women's jail so he could have more victims.
She is a monster, and a liar. Because if she actually wanted for him to stop rapping women, she'd be in favor of jailing him
Prison reforms a few convicts, but not many. According to Google AI, 70% to nearly 80% of released prisoners in the U.S. are rearrested within five years, representing one of the highest recidivism rates in the world. Within three years, nearly 50% of released prisoners are re-incarcerated for a new crime or parole violation. The artificial bleeding heart goes on to blame recidivism on normies. On behalf of normal people with jobs and tax assessments I refute that bullshit and blame human nature corrupted by gangster culture and multi-generational bastardy. Anna Krauthamer must be really stupid if she believes the purpose of prisons is reform. It's punishment for past crimes and deterrence against future iniquity. The fact that recidivism exceeds 70% mean one thing, and one thing only: Imprisonment in the United States isn't nearly dreadful enough. We need to fix that.
Which hotel was this, where people get gang raped by six guys?
Asking for a friend. CC, JSM
Hardin: “ Thurber attributes the end of marriages to one of the husband or wife slipping from the subjunctive to the indicative.”
I think more often the imperative. CC, JSM
"I feel very sorry for this poor woman."
I do too. She's got a menial job at Columbia for losers. She's 33. Still going to school trying to get her PhD. Surrounded by the worst liberals in the country, so her thoughts are 100% controlled.
She's clearly lying about this rape. The entire story seems like it's just her doctoral dissertation that she's trying to pass off so she can say "see, voila, contemporary fiction."
But of course, she sucks at it. Her story is laughable and her entire public persona (assuming she's a real person, and that's a huge assumption) is fake.
I hope she was raped. Probably the last time a guy ever touched her, or wants to in the future. She'll die a lonely, bitter liberal - probably shot in the face by an ICE agent.
Hopefully.
Paragraph 10:
“Others have tried, too; friends have spoken patiently to me about how, even if I don’t want to do it for myself, pursuing legal action against those men who hurt me might protect other women someday.”
And then, unless I missed it, she never explains why she seems to have absolutely no empathy for “other women someday” who she “might protect” just “as if” other women before her failed, likely, to have protected her. No, not “as if” but BECAUSE “arresting and incarcerating someone could change” for the future victims, exactly what was done to you.
In Ye Olden Days, most societies didn't have very many prisons, jails, etc. Too expensive!
So they did it talonic justice style. Eye for an eye. You stole, they chopped off your hand and let you go. You raped, they emasculated you or chopped off your head and then let you go.
Minor crimes were treated with lashes, and then you were let go.
Maybe it's time for that again. Cut way back on jailing people if we just gave 20 lashes for marijuana possession for a first or second offense, for instance.
Oh, and if you were caught lying to frame someone? You got their punishment. Maybe cut back on all the women crying "rape!" when they wake up and decide they didn't like the guy they brought home last night.
’Cut way back on jailing people if we just gave 20 lashes for marijuana possession for a first or second offense, for instance.’
Let’s not get carried away with all this justice stuff… ;)
"Which hotel was this, where people get gang raped by six guys?"
She never names the hotel, because then we could rewind the security tapes.
This is standard operating procedure in fake rape cases like Christine Blasey Ford. She "couldn't remember" the year she was raped. Couldn't remember who was there. How she got there. How she left. Because if she did, her "rapists" could then provide alibi's as to their locations that year, or provide witnesses to counter her claims.
Women have compared notes on all the ways their little fake rape claims can be proven false, so they omit all those key details.
And that's the dead giveaway. Her story is a load of horse shit.
If her daughter or mother or father or brother or son or close friend were raped by the same 6 men would she report it then? Amazing.
- It's understandable to have very little faith in the criminal justice system.
- It's possible to get attacked by groups of men, particularly when you are inadequately protected. See Lara Logan.
- It's reasonable to be reluctant to legally pursue groups of powerful and well-respected men.
Her problem is that she was getting boozy in a Las Vegas casino hotel and apparently has TERRIBLE friends. I don't for a second believe she has an ironclad case, based on her own testimony, and the odds are very good that she is a fabricator.
Gilligan said...
It's worth remembering that the real-world alternative to the prision system is lynching.
There is also Afghanistan or Somalia.
I’m not saying she’s lying. I’m saying I don’t believe her.
Greg The Class Traitor said...
Yeah, what happened is she decided that she wanted other women to be gang raped, too.
What a miserable piece of shit she is
This is the most charitable interpretation.
I find it just as likely that she got drunk/drugged up and participated in an orgy then decided later to be a victim for a variety of reasons.
What are the odds she just skips ahead to the civil suit?
Six men... part of a Lacrosse team?
I made a comment about her comments. But other comments question her comments. I have to reconsider. Are we talking hoax?
I made a comment about her comments. But other comments question her comments. I have to reconsider. Are we talking hoax?
Althouse is HEAVILY editing/deleting comments on this thread.
Yes, it's a hoax. And she's helping it along.
I am going to be a hypocrite here and say that strongly discouraging marijuana use is probably a good thing for society. Since the opium war against China, at least, powers have been using drugs to sap the strength out of their enemies. I don't doubt that China is doing it to us.
After the Taliban took control of Afghanistan, poppy production dropped by 95%, you are free to assume harsh methods.
No criminal complaint, no arrest. No arrest, no possibility of conviction. A violent offender is likely to repeat his crime, because he perceives no punishment risk.
No identification of the site in question christine fordism
Sadly, I'm left with impression author wants to be lauded for her noble progressive-liberal feminist consideration for long-term future life-prospects of her supposed rapists.
"I don''t want to be person who wants their rapist to be imprisoned". Really? Begs question whether "foreplay" was hours of beforehand drinking and flirting and groping. And unanswered question is how did she find herself alone in a hotel room with six male rapists anyways?
I remember in late 70s, a too often-verbalized rationale: a college-aged woman should never ever ever behave in any manner possibly construed as "cock-tease", without knowing all consequences would be deemed her fault. Both women and men, holding the woman at fault.
Rape... rape-rape allegations and handmade tales? Free them all for a clear conscience and cover-up in shared responsibility.
Does "abolition" cover murder?
I read through it noticing that she uses words to not express what she is actually thinking or feeling but to construct an artifice to make herself appear intelligent. Whenever she comes close to clarity she chooses a word no one knows or goes off track with odd ideas such as what is rape anyway? This leads many people to doubt she was raped, but rather engaged in a drunken orgy and had regrets afterward. I think she has major psychological problems. She is close to disassociating and is hoping that publishing this article will force her back to reality.
I questioned why she wrote about being raped if her ideal resolution is pretending it never happened. IMO she has a lot of guilt for what happened but isn't willing to admit it. She tries to turn that suppressed guilt (because that would violate the doctrine of female victimhood in her liberal circles) into a virtue, as concern for her rapists. She didn't want to report what happened because that would have forced her to deal with the reality of the event and to deal with blame and guilt.
I agree that this immature and completely selfish response is anti-social. If you are part of a society you uphold the safety of other people. You report criminal activity which has harmed people. And as far as her caring about the person who goes to jail, that often is the impetus for them to make changes. So denying them the opportunity for punishment is also denying the possibility for redemption. Often criminals eventually let themselves get caught because they want some kind of redemption.
Incarceration may not change someone, but it will surely change the odds the incarcerated might do it to another woman, while he is in prison.
While we are fantasizing the criminal mind. What is stopping rape inclined men from believing other Woke Abolitionist women like Anna Krauthamer (No relation to late Charles) believe and will act like Anna after they themselves rape them?
If this spreads?
If I had to put this on a napkin. Civilization is a prayer and the Woke don't pray.
Serious psych problems. I guess that's why you can convince yourself that not punishing sex crimes (or other crimes) is a better alternative than punishing offenders. It's not even an interesting academic discussion.
I guess there are three alternatives:
1) The six men who raped her never raped again. Nor had done any rapes before that.
2) One or more of the rapists went on to rape someone else.
3) One or more of the rapists had done it before, and one of those rapes might have lead to conviction if she had pressed charges.
But y'know as long she felt OK.
Anna Krauthamer. Wonder if she's related to Charles Krautmamer the popular and respected Neo-Con pundit.
I’ll take Things That Never Actually Happened for 500, Alex.
There is a hint in her thinking that she might believe that women who do report sexual assault are not fully self-agentized (to make up a word) -- they are folding themselves or submitting themselves into a structure created by the world they live in, without being fully aware of that, and without exercising agency in the fullest sense.
Charles Krauthammer spelled his name with two 'm's'.
Too late,didnt report at time,no one believes you,even if its true. Check the bulk of comments up in here,your case even with proof would be dismissed.Lifes a Bitch and then you die.. Pray Hard there is help but you gotta wait..
A good prayer goes something like this.
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
"I remember in late 70s, a too often-verbalized rationale: a college-aged woman should never ever ever behave in any manner possibly construed as "cock-tease", without knowing all consequences would be deemed her fault."
I remember from a more recent decade Molotov Cocktease
Relax, a little bawdy humor knocks Krauthamer's diseased fantasy and The Nation utterly into a cocked hat.
Behavioral Lemmas Matter (BLM)
BTW Charles Krauthammer was a psychiatrist, who coined the term Bush Derangement Syndrome, which has since been updated.
Hmmmn--No prisons. Which means that vigilantes who mete out "justice" as they see it are free to do so.
My first thought exactly.
boatbuilder said...
Hmmmn--No prisons. Which means that vigilantes who mete out "justice" as they see it are free to do so.
Any thoughts on how that might work out?
Which is an excellent point. > 300 million firearms in private hands in the US, the majority of them in the hands of people who don't like criminals. You don't want to throw criminals in jail?
How's that work when I go down to an anti-ICE "protest" and just start shooting all the leftists there? How's that work when I start shooting left wing judges, politicians, lawyers, and journalists? See someone carrying out a crime on the streets, and just shoot him?
The cardinal stupidity of the Left is that they can't even conceive the people may change their behavior when the incentives change. It really is a serious mental problem
Would be interesting to see how the incident affected her writing in the weeks after.
Reporting the crime might not have made her whole, but it could have prevented other women from being victimized by those perpetrators in the future.
A true rape, in a traditional family/society, would lay a terrible duty on her family, especially her father and brothers. They have to retaliate, else the honor (reputation, "dont mess with us") will suffer. The point of law is to move that burden of retaliation to the state.
Clyde said...
"Reporting the crime might not have made her whole, but it could have prevented other women from being victimized by those perpetrators in the future."
She is too self involved to think of anyone else in that context. If fact that would provide her with people that understand to share her feelings with.
I dislike the word subjunctive because its meaning has no connection to the way the word sounds. It's about some contingent future thing, and nothing about it is either sub or junctive.
Nobody is "fully agentized". We are social animals, we live within a mass of agreements, implied contracts. We are bound by endless tendrils of duty. We really arent living a human life without being in such webs.
In my Catholic High School we read E.M.Forsters "The Machine Stops". Prophetic stuff. Not just as a warning of overreliance on a machine (AI), but of a loss of human social connection, that "fully agentized" stuff.
If you havent read "The Machine Stops" (1909) go do it now.
She has chosen just about the worst treatment for herself and revels in it. When people choose pain over health, I have to wonder why.
buwaya said...
A true rape, in a traditional family/society, would lay a terrible duty on her family, especially her father and brothers. They have to retaliate, else the honor (reputation, "dont mess with us") will suffer. The point of law is to move that burden of retaliation to the state.
That was the whole point of Obama's girlfriend, Julia.
The transfer of the right/duty of retaliation to the state happened long ago in most advanced societies. The state insisted on it from the middle ages on. It is not the result of an Obama era PR campaign.
I don't believe her. More likely, as others have mentioned, a gang bang that she regrets and now, some time later, decides she wants attention -- not at the slut she was, but as a "victim". True gang rapes end up with the victim dead.
Is part of the reason for going public to strike fear into the six men? In Nevada there is effectively no statute of limitations for civil or criminal charges. The longer she waits, the tougher it will be to prove innocence as hotel staff memories fade. Simply saying she hasn’t pressed charges so far doesn’t mean she can’t have her mind changed in the future.
Yes, the “kin law” demanded that for everyone of us killed, one of you will be killed, or you may pay gold instead of a death. Basic game theory, tit for tat. In a repeating game of local dimension it is the optimal choice. The king law developed so that the king and his vassals could enjoy the “profits of justice” that is, to hang any man who has money and make it the kings money.
The state has kings justice, but there is also frontier justice, the Montana highway patrol patch has 3-7-77 on it in tribute to the vigilantes. Frontier justice severely punishes the known guilty who live by political fraud. That is why the government is so afraid of them.
The job of regular police is to protect the guilty from the victims.
This woman is mentally ill. This describes the anti-prison brigade, too.
What an excellent illustration of the irrationality of the contemporary progressive white woman! She is raped (zero supporting details other than the claim that it lasted from dusk until dawn - how she came to be in an unknown room with SIX men who may have been an inner-city high school basketball team, visiting Japanese businessmen, the janitorial crew of the hotel, or six evil Republicans, whom she may or may not have known, and what her "friends" were doing remain unknown) but doesn't want to tell on anyone so they won't get in trouble because she doesn't believe in incarceration. Quite the tale, but if we accept it, it contrasts sharply with the number of progressive women longing to be offended by men so as to report them for sexual harassment. Conclusions: 1) If you harbor asocial feelings toward a progressive white woman current trends suggest you should put together a posse of five other guys and rape her all night rather than simply insult her; 2) If you live in NYC and are in the mood for a gang rape of a white woman, Anna Krauthamer won't rat you out afterward and you can find her in the English Dept. at Columbia.
I like to think that the rotating check-in staff are always alert and prepared even for the call that they don’t know is coming. Meanwhile, all the way across the country in New York, I wake up every day and wonder if today is the day that I’ll finally make the hotel phone ring.
It's weird to obsess about calling the hotel desk, four years after the fact. Call the police! 911! She doesn't like the police, or jails. Well, what is the hotel supposed to do with this information?
It's possible she was drunk or drugged and had sex with six men at a party in a hotel. That's the sort of gray area that keeps people from calling the police. There's a fear that people won't believe you, or will blame you. Alcohol is dangerous for women and makes them vulnerable (in a way that isn't really true for men).
Some of the questions police might ask:
"Did you have any alcohol or drugs?"
"Where did your two friends go?"
"Were these strangers, or do you know their names?"
Guys, I can fix her.
Maybe we ought to invent a class of misdemeanors known as Drunk Sex. I can assure her that almost nobody goes to prison for misdemeanors (DWI is an exception to that). People who commit misdemeanors get probation, and a criminal record.
The vibe I got from her story was that this was not rape-rape, to use Whoopi Goldberg's term, but some sub-class of crime. It seems to me it's dangerous to try to shoehorn every sexual incident into the ultra-crime of rape.
The other thing that struck me is that she doesn't like prison, and can't imagine putting people in prison. That's a really pacifist idea. But it seems to me that she's divorced it from Christianity.
One of the major tenets of Christianity is that you forgive the people who have sinned against you. Why carry around all this pain and anger with you, for the rest of your life? She doesn't like prison but she's creating one for herself in her mind. Free yourself. Christ is the way.
You can also ask forgiveness for your own sins and stupidities. It might be that she's 100% virtuous. Or, it might be that she is blaming herself for what happened, too. The criminal justice system will never sort all this out. But Christ can and will help people.
Seven drunk people have sex. The six with penises committed a crime. The one without is a victim of that crime. Any questions? CC, JSM
St Croix: I would add that prisons were invented by Christians. Specifically Quakers. Also there is a big difference between the environment the New Testament was written in/for and the environment postmodern Christians find themselves in.
1st Century Christians were an underground movement with no power. About all they could do was kick the worst offenders out of the church - and then worry whether the butthurt outcast would turn informant on them. But even in that environment, the NT writers tell them to respect the emperor because his sword brings justice.
Postmodern Christians are the emperor. We have to keep order or no one else will. We have thought of more humane ways to do it than crucifying people or throwing them into the Tiber in a weighted bag with live animals. Not perfect, but the whole point of Christianity is dealing with imperfect people. CC, JSM
So much of these abolition claims could be addressed by starting a Singapore style caning program. It is cheap, it is immediate, it has mental and physical impact on the offender that drops recidivism and prevents people from spending months and years learning from and networking with other criminals. It isn't permanent like death penalty, it doesn't require an industry to store, manage, and feed people.
Incarcerating the criminal is not meant to heal the victim but to punish the criminal and prevent them for some period from being a danger to others. The writer acts as if it is pointless to incarcerate because it does not erase the harm they caused, but that is not what it is for.
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