December 19, 2025

Sunrise — 7:01, 7:34.

It was very cold this morning, and the refrozen snow was incredibly slippery, so I only made it this far:

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I would have put up with the cold and the wind, but the extra slippery — and bumpy — surface made me opt out of the full sunrise walk. I drove home and Meade walked out to the distant vantage point and then all the way home. Here's my favorite photo of his:

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Write about whatever you want in the comments.

122 comments:

FormerLawClerk said...

Elon Musk has defeated the Democrat judge who tried to steal six years worth of his income. Supreme Court slapped down the judge and awarded the plaintiff $1.

Musk should pay him in nickles.

narciso said...

The second pic

narciso said...

https://open.substack.com/pub/judgestreetjournal/p/breaking-mamdanis-director-of-appointments?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2czur

FormerLawClerk said...

Bill Clinton hangs out with pedophiles.

Kolchak James said...

All of this talk about the death of Rob Reiner.

I forgot he was Jewish.

This changes things.

Clyde said...

Clyde's Top 15 Favorite "New" Songs of 2025 - Part 5 of 16
#12 - World Party - "Put the Message In the Box" - Goodbye Jumbo (1990)

Another gift from Susan's ELOish playlist. The only World Party song that I was really familiar with from radio airplay was "Ship of Fools" from their Private Revolution album in 1987. I liked this one, as well as another one of their songs that appeared on the playlist, which I'll share as a bonus song today. Welshman Karl Wallinger was the creative force behind World Party, as well as the only consistent member. He passed away in 2024, but left a great musical legacy for us.

https://youtu.be/udCaa-Ju3dk?si=MxmJv0UWqkwum5Ey

Clyde's Top 15 Favorite "New" Songs of 2025
Bonus Song - World Party - "All I Gave" - Bang! (1993)

Another gem from World Party. RIP Karl Wallinger.

https://youtu.be/AEgz_PD2S9c?si=aiq-HceQAgsjuSge

narciso said...

He was a talented director for a time

Clyde said...

I like Meade's photo of the ducks, too.

RCOCEAN II said...

A brave man that Meade.

RCOCEAN II said...

And that photo is good.

RCOCEAN II said...

Looks like Bennie Shapiro is up to his old tricks. Why this character wasn't outed as a fraud after he refused to support Trump in 2016 is beyond me.

But Conservatives need to be hit on the head 20 times before they learn. Now, in in AmFirst speech, he's demanding Tucker be cancelled for talking to someone Shapiro doesn't like. Then to top it off, it attacked Megyn Kelly for being a "Coward".

Tucker, fired back, saying no one should be cancelled. That's not conservative. Megyn said Little Bennie "embarrassed himself".

This is just 3 months after Charlie Kirk was murdered. But Neo-cons don't care. War and toeing the "party line" is all they're concerned about.

Jersey Fled said...

I never thought I’d say this, but CBS just ran a terrific, in-depth story on the massive government program fraud the FBI uncovered in Minnesota.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-to-know-minnesota-fraud-scandal-more-charges-filed-trump-walz/

RCOCEAN II said...

Its the problem with Conservatives in a nutshell. I noticed Glenn Beck is speaking at the conference too. Why push leaders who were OK with Hillary getting elected? You want a big tent, but you don't give traitors the leadership.

RCOCEAN II said...

As the Minnasota SNAP fraud story, this seems to be a "Get Walz" story by the MSM. They sat on it for years. Now, its all over the MSM after the NYT's lead the way. Wonder why. Did Walz piss someone off? Why do they want Walz out of the way?

john mosby said...

Ref 'Ciso's link to the story about Mamdani's appointments director tweet scandal: she says she is now "the mother of Jewish children." I don't see why Mandango wanted to fire her: she could be a great example of reconciliation, which is what the left wants, isn't it? To go from spewing bile against whites and Jews, to making babies with one?

Course, the left doesn't really want reconciliation. Wonder if she was actually fired for having those Jewish kids....CC, JSM

Kolchak James said...

"Wonder if she was actually fired for having those Jewish kids...."

Having Jewish children changes you. And not just in the vagina.

john mosby said...

MuhDingo's almost-appointments director could join my Miscegenation Party! She is helping make us one big happy light-brown family. MAKE MAMA LATE AGAIN! CC, JSM

buwaya said...

My long term political project, of course, is to restore the Spanish empire, under the house of Bourbon. It may sound impractical, but I figure its a stretch goal.
Wisconsin is part of the imperial territory, but I have had second thoughts. On the whole I think you guys can keep it. Its much too cold.

Mason G said...

"As the Minnasota SNAP fraud story, this seems to be a "Get Walz" story by the MSM."

Walz is a loser (see: Election 2024), pin the fraud on him to get him out of the way and keep as much of the fraud stink off the rest of the leftist corruptocrats populating the government in order to ease back into "Business As Usual" (more fraud, of course) ASAP.

Original Mike said...

Meade: For the Stonedome obelisk, the solstice is 9AM Sunday morning. Sunrise is close enough.

narciso said...

Wait but that was the French Bourbons

Achilles said...

RCOCEAN II said...

Its the problem with Conservatives in a nutshell. I noticed Glenn Beck is speaking at the conference too. Why push leaders who were OK with Hillary getting elected? You want a big tent, but you don't give traitors the leadership.

This is where the real fight is now. That is what the CBS takeover is about. They are trying to puss Bari Weiss being put in charge of CBS as a "win" for conservatives.

But we are in rear guard action now. The post WWII consensus where the ultimate evil is Adolf Hitler has fallen. Everyone has noticed what the US got in return for saving Europe.

Not a fucking thing.

Europe has proven to be a complete waste of our time. Right now I cannot see how the people leading Europe are acting any different than Hitler was acting. The only reason they haven't invaded Russia is they don't have an army to do it. They are so desperate to start a war. England, France and Germany have taken turns for centuries invading Russia and now they all want to get together to do it.

If Joe Biden or Ron Desantis were president we would have invaded Russia by now most likely.

narciso said...

We have a new troll oh frabjous joy

Beasts of England said...

It’s been almost twenty years since I approached a kickoff less than hopeful, but I think Oklahoma’s pass rush may be too much for our diminished offensive line. But, anyway…

Roll Tide!!

Achilles said...

Why are we killing people in Syria? Why do we have troops there to get killed?

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buwaya said...

They have been the Spanish Bourbons since 1705. The Spanish (other than the Catalans) favored the Bourbon claim during the War of the Spanish Succession.

narciso said...

Obviously not the same but they think Napoleons idea wasnt so bad what was the lineup for the crimean war uk france and turkey

narciso said...

But they were two separate branches

Trust a jihadi like al sharaa probably not a smart move

FullMoon said...

Hillary's moderate response to Speedo Bill with Bikini Teen in Epstein pool widely anticipated..

bagoh20 said...

I had a lipoma removed from my shoulder today. They did it under full anesthesia. That stuff is amazing now. I was completely awake, and with no warning or leadup, bang it was two hours later and I was waking up in recovery. It's like brain switch: off - on.

buwaya said...

US troops in Syria are there to protect US allied factions (Kurds and etc) in Syria as well as keep an eye on Iraq vs Iranian hanky panky.
Also to keep ISIS and such from coming back.

bagoh20 said...

It should be a bad time to be old dead wood in the Democratic party, but they DON'T do fixing things very well.

Hey, how about that Obamacare? "It's a good thing you done son, a real good thing."

bagoh20 said...

The fact that Hillary never divorced Bill is ample evidence of her relentless Machiavellian nature. If she only harnessed it for good, she might now be the most honored woman in America, after Taylor Swift of course.

narciso said...

Yes but we end uo in those blue on green instances

FullMoon said...

You're in L.V.? My brother in L.V. has same thing, scheduled January. Must be the heat.

john mosby said...

Buwaya: "My long term political project, of course, is to restore the Spanish empire"

I concur. Restore all the empires. Run them in a bit more enlightened fashion. It will cut down on migration: why spend money and risk your life going to Paris or London, then having to live so expensively, if your home country is being run from Paris or London (or Lisboa or Madrid or Amsterdam or Tokyo, etc) anyway?

Second best thing Juan Carlos ever did was tell Chavez to shut up. Would be great if Felipe could do the same for all the other tinpot wankers in LatAm.

In the near term, we may have to settle for teaching Trump one Spanish sentence. CC, JSM

bagoh20 said...

Full Moon, I think it's the recycling program, which is cool. I was done with the thing, and it's got low miles.

narciso said...

Maduro (ripe) along with diosdado who really runs the country
Maria anastasia grady noted how this group of bourbons grovels to the egime

narciso said...

Regime in Caracas

FullMoon said...

"Full Moon, I think it's the recycling program, which is cool. I was done with the thing, and it's got low miles."

Up here, popular with ramen..or viet noodles..

narciso said...

Beck is a pretty good egg, he had some misgivings back in 2017, so did vance (the learning is the thing)

narciso said...

The top staff didnt seem to have learned much from the last canity fair outing

narciso said...

Calamity fair outing

Iman said...

I’m going to teh Bible when I say this: Merry Christmas to All!

Kakistocracy said...

I'm reading through Ghislaine Maxwell's recent habeas corpus petition, and there's some fascinating material in it.The part that stands out most to me is her claim that lawyers representing Jeffrey Epstein's victims reached secret settlements with 25 men.

narciso said...

Well thats always proper
Even to slithy toves like those

Iman said...

My favorite Worl Party song : “Way Down Now”.

RIP KARL Wallinger…

narciso said...

Watch: Disgraced DC Police Chief Who Cooked Crime Stats Melts Down in One Doozy of a Final Rant – RedState https://share.google/j304leenaWML2dqsZ

bagoh20 said...

A lot of us had misgivings before seeing the results. Nothing wrong with that. Everything else is just guessing and hope.
Few people expected to get all the conservative bonuses that materialized from a former Democrat sweetheart and friend of the Clintons, and the exposure of widespread corruption and lawlessness is a damned miracle in politics.

narciso said...

LAFD Spox Profiting Off His Department's Massive Failures Is the Latest Insult to Palisades Fire Victims – RedState https://share.google/vcXD7BYtfFvRdGAAc

rehajm said...

Yah CBS gets the gig so the party can run with phew now that that’s out of the way while the party gets away with the rest of the trillion or so…

rehajm said...

Illinois, Washington…California’s the whopper…

rehajm said...

…those are just the ones meeting Chuck’s hurdle, there’s plenty of others still in the bushes../

narciso said...

The Times by contrast laser focused on the paper the palisades lost

Kakistocracy said...

I mean it seems like the administration just keeps stepping on rakes. By releasing a buffoonishly redacted and incomplete set of documents they just prolong the story and suspicion. What’s the strategy here?

Epstein files explode open as DOJ details discovery of powerful figures and more than 1,200 victims ~ Fox News

"The Justice Department redacted the names and identifiers of victims. Fox News Digital has learned that the same redaction standards were applied to politically exposed individuals and government officials."

Prof. M. Drout said...

I had a piece on Tolkien in the NYT today: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/19/opinion/tolkien-grief-lord-rings.html?unlocked_article_code=1.908.GHiX.0H_0HZOEekjJ&smid=url-share

john mosby said...

'Ciso: "Beck is a pretty good egg, he had some misgivings back in 2017, so did vance"

Plus, he's got two turntables and a microphone. CC, JSM

buwaya said...

"Everyone has noticed what the US got in return for saving Europe.
Not a fucking thing."

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RC0A052NBEA#
In particular check out 1940-45. Go look at data and come to your own conclusions

narciso said...

Not that...never mind

narciso said...

The common market of monnet became the panopticon of spinelli

buwaya said...

Thanks for the article Prof Drout!
I read the kids the Hobbit and the LOTR; later we had tapes to play an audio version in the car. In my sort-of Spanish accent, but I am informed, its "unplaceable" but "certainly foreign".
I regret nothing.

narciso said...

Why is basque so unlike any other language?

bagoh20 said...

"What’s the strategy here?"

Don't expose all the traps until they're full of suckers.

john mosby said...

Drout: cool article. So very sorry for your loss. I am glad JRRT helped you.

Tolkein was, like CS Lewis, a massive Christian. I am curious that you talk about how his work recalls ancient broken texts and, under linguistic analysis, shows multiple voices, but you don't mention the most famous and influential broken text with multiple voices.

Did the NYT editors make you leave out Judeo-Christian references, or was that your own choice?

Sorry if this sounds like "other than that, how was the play." And very sorry again for your loss. CC, JSM

buwaya said...

There are quite a few language isolates, and in the past there were likely many more. Sumerian and Elamite and Etruscan, for instance, dead but influential languages from the dawn of history, were also isolates. Basque is just one of these, and one of the survivors of the many episodes of historical "blenders".

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Humperdink said...

Both knees replaced this year - February and July. Won gold in a pickleball tournament this past weekend. My ortho guy is the best.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

bagoh20 said...

I had a lipoma removed from my shoulder today. They did it under full anesthesia. That stuff is amazing now. I was completely awake, and with no warning or leadup, bang it was two hours later and I was waking up in recovery. It's like brain switch: off - on.

If it was propofol you were likely awake the whole time you just don't remember what happened. My sister-in-law was a nurse anesthetist, she said that in the trade that called that stuff the 'milk of amnesia'.

Kakistocracy said...

Für Elise

Elise Stefanik Drops Out of N.Y. Governor’s Race and Will Leave Congress ~ NYT

Not to be a hipster, but if you’ve got time and you wanna hear some really great music, try his late quartets

FormerLawClerk said...

@Kolchak, who wrote: "All of this talk about the death of Rob Reiner. I forgot he was Jewish. This changes things."

I just found out he was murdered by a Jew.

This changes things back.

Original Mike said...

Thank you for your article and the link, Prof Drout.
I've never read very far into The Silmarillion. I should.
I'm sorry for the loss of your son.

Eva Marie said...

Very sorry to hear of your son’s death. Scott Adams lost a son as well to a drug overdose. For the past 8-10 years he has been pushing for a harder response to the fentanyl coming across the border and this may have bern one of the contributing factors to Trump’s actions during this term. Wonderful article. Again so very sorry.

Aggie said...

@Professor M. Drout: That was a touching and beautiful piece, pulling together many seemingly different threads into a beautiful chord. Thank you.

Aggie said...

"....this seems to be a "Get Walz" story by the MSM. They sat on it for years. Now, its all over the MSM after the NYT's lead the way. Wonder why. ..... Why do they want Walz out of the way? "

Do they want him out of the way, or they are serving him up, front and center? Maybe they need a victim for sacrifice, and he's going to be it. He's going to be the Poster Boy for Democrat Change, someone with enough stature to prove they're serious. 'We're all better now!, We've eliminated all the causes of our problems and the Democrats are ready to be in charge again'.

Caroline said...

Christmas means Sauces to make, and today was sauce making day. Lemon sauce for the Christmas pudding, Marchand de vin sauce for the meat, horseradish cream just to have around. Oh— and the sauces should all be spiked. Cognac.

Prof. M. Drout said...

NYT editor was nothing but helpful and didn't push me towards politics at all. There wasn't space to treat religion in depth and no point in treating it shallowly. Tolkien didn't label "Joy beyond the walls of the world" and "beyond the circles of the world" as Christian because he didn't need to.

I once had a professor who said that Dostoyevsky asked the most profound questions of human life, but that his answer to those questions--'Be Russian Orthodox' (prof's characterization)--was uninteresting.
I don't agree that it's uninteresting, but I do think that it's not helpful in that compressed form: you need to explain specifically what Russian Orthodox people believe, what specific parts of the faith Dostoyevsky was emphasizing, etc. In other words, you needed a full education in Russian Orthodox Christianity--which has an incredibly sophisticated theological tradition--in order for that answer to have any meaning beyond merely a sectarian label.
That's how I feel about saying "Tolkien's answers to these profound questions was his Roman Catholicism." It's true but unhelpful unless you are a Roman Catholic who also happens to understand (and perhaps experience) the faith the same way that Tolkien did.* Otherwise it needs books full of explanation (which people who are far better Christians and far better educated in Theology than I am have already written--there's an incredibly rich vein of scholarship that has developed over the past 25 years).
I'm just a literary historian, and so my strength--I hope--is seeing how those profound human questions arise from and interact with literature, and then I talked about how they applied to the only life I'm an expert on: my own.

*And remember there are very central and important parts of the faith that are called "Mysteries" because they are so difficult to articulate--but are nevertheless experienced by believers.

Jupiter said...

At this point, I have to conclude that my cat is entirely aware that the laser dot exists at my pleasure. He enjoys being jacked around by this intense stimulus. When he sees me pick up the laser, he stands to attention, eager to see where it will appear first.
The only analogy that comes to mind, is if I were, say, intent upon some blog. To the extent that a new posting would galvanize me to comment, comment, comment -- knowing full well that my efforts were utterly pointless and in vain. That nothing of value could come of them. Unless, perhaps, the exercise, in itself, or by its effect upon my psyche, has, somehow, a beneficial effect on me.

Jupiter said...

Or, I suppose, upon others. But how can my chasing a dot of laser light, projected on the internet by Althouse for my scrambling enjoyment, possibly have any beneficial effect upon others?

Iman said...

Bottles and cans
Or jus’ clap yer hands

Iman said...

“Why is basque so unlike any other language”

If you had to bite the nuts off a thousand goats, you might talk funny too!

Jupiter said...

I guess that Cecil (our cat) began by supposing, that the laser dot was an autonomous entity, like a mouse, or a spider. And he pursued it in that light. But he has come to understand, that the dot is under my control. And instead of losing interest, he finds that even more interesting. What was once in deadly earnest, has become a game -- a means of interacting with the most interesting person he knows -- and thus much more interesting.

Rocco said...

narciso said...
Why is basque so unlike any other language?

Genetically at a high level, indigenous Europeans are made up of 3 groups: the earliest were the European Hunter Gatherers; there were actually multiple EHG groups, but there were never a lot of them, and they only make up a small amount of the modern genome. Next came the Neolithic Farmers. Then the Indo-Europeans. Southern Europeans tend to have a higher proportion of Neolithic Farmer ancestry on average, while Northern Europeans tend to have higher a higher amount of Indo-European ancestry on average.

Basque are unique in that they have almost no Indo-European genes. They are predominately Neolithic Farmers, although their percentage of Hunter-Gatherer genes - while still low - are higher than most other Europeans.

Most European languages are part of the Indo-European language family. Basque isn’t. It is commonly hypothesized that it is a modern descendant of a language spoken by the Neolithic farmers.

There were other non-Indo-European languages that survived long enough into the historical era for somebody to write down the fact that this or that group of people spoke a strange tongue that was unlike the Indo-European languages they spoke. But most of them are untranslated.

Josephbleau said...

Thank you Prof Drout.

Jupiter said...

In my teens, I had a friend, with whom I would often play board games. The two games we played were chess, and a game called Stratego. Chess, of course, is a game of pure strategic reasoning, where bluffing is simply impossible. Everything about the position is evident to both players, and the player who sees further ahead wins. Stratego, on the other hand, is a game of deception, like poker. Guessing the opponent's actual situation, as opposed to what he may lead you to believe, is critical.
I always defeated Jeff at chess, easily. Without even trying. And he always beat me at Stratego, with equal facility.
The reason I bring it up, is that he always wanted to play chess. And I always wanted to play Stratego.

Original Mike said...

"Christmas means Sauces to make"

I make salmon jerky. The process starts tomorrow!

Original Mike said...

It looks like you have a new book out, Prof Drout?

Achilles said...

Kakistocracy said...

I mean it seems like the administration just keeps stepping on rakes. By releasing a buffoonishly redacted and incomplete set of documents they just prolong the story and suspicion. What’s the strategy here?

Democrat men are all mad the girls faces are blacked out because it makes it harder for them to jerk off to the pictures while pretending they are Bill Clinton.

rhhardin said...

"Für Elise

Elise Stefanik Drops Out of N.Y. Governor’s Race and Will Leave Congress ~ NYT"

In the late 90s I called the power company to complain about radio interference from a power pole, and they had a division that dealt with that kind of stuff. The secretary put me on hold, and music on hold was played by the call director producing it with cpu cycles, one voice. It was Fur Elise.

When the secretary came back on, I asked, "Do you know that you have Beethoven playing on hold?"

"Yes," she said. "There's nothing we can do about it."

rhhardin said...

The Trump Kennedy Center is master trolling.

Clyde said...

@ Iman
I like that one, too. I heard it several times when I listened to the Goodbye Jumbo album.

imTay said...

Sadly, the terror attacks over the past few years have all but ended the traditional Parisian Christmas markets. They have to control entry and this destroys the whole feel, and there are many fewer of them.

imTay said...

Plainly, Joe Biden was so confident of victory that he withheld all of the juicy Trump stuff, more proof that he was senile!

imTay said...

I lived in the district adjacent to “Elise!”. It was pretty plain that she was ambitious and connected from when she first ran for Congress. It would have been very interesting to have overheard the discussions on that one.

Breezy said...

It’s December 2025, more than five years after the 2020 presidential election. Five years. And now we’re learning that Georgia certified their election results despite the fact that 315,000 votes in Georgia were not in fact legal. So exasperating. We’re only discovering this because of the GANerds that have been so doggedly digging into the data, which forced Fulton County to finally admit the truth.

Another thing the GANerds have determined is the methodology of the steal involves populating and depopulating voter rolls with duplicate (or more) registrations. Populate to vote, depopulate afterwards. Cleaning voter rolls is not enough to mitigate the cheating. They’ve volunteered to assist Harmeet Dhillon to combat this.

john mosby said...

Thank you for the detailed answer, Prof Drout. I hope you won't mind a semi-detailed response:

I didn't mean so much that you should have done a deep dive into RC theology, but I was just wondering why, when you compared Tolkien's work to ancient writings, you didn't mention biblical ones. Not for the truth of their content, but for their style. For instance, JRRT makes one-line references to ancient heroes; the Torah makes a one-line reference to Melchizedek. The LOTR, under linguistic analysis, shows several narrative voices; the Torah under similar analysis appears to have been written by the J, E, P, and D authors, while the synoptic gospels share pieces of the Q text. The LOTR refers to lost books; Kings and Chronicles refer to the Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah.

The biblical scholarship was going on for years before Tolkien's work. He must have been aware of it - maybe not as expert in it as he was in non-Judeo-Christian ancient texts, but probably at least a fan. His buddy Lewis referred to Christianity as the 'true myth.'

Or did Tolkein shy away from textual analysis of his own faith's works?

Thanks once again for the article and for engaging with me. CC, JSM

Valentine Smith said...

Yes Professor Drout thank you.

Humperdink said...

I do boycotts. It’s what I do. My latest candidates? Candace, Tucker, and Megyn. Not a word will I read.

Marcus Bressler said...

"milk of amnesia". That's a good one!

Iman said...

Ciento

imTay said...

That was beautiful and I am so sorry for your loss, but I am going to run with your article and say that it seems like Burgess’s first Enderby novel seems kind of based on Tolkien, a poet who longs for the days of the old Catholicism and unquestioned and unifying faith.

“A martin's nest clogged the cathedral clock
But it was morning (birds could not be liars)
A key cleft rusty age in lock and lock
Men shivered by a hundred kitchen fires.”

A reference to Martin Luther, he lives in a nihilistic age, and denied faith, he longs for it. Of course Enderby’s misadventures don’t track to Tolkien's life.

imTay said...

I guess that within the rules of the poem, if “martin” means Martin, then “lock”probably means “Locke.”

Ronald J. Ward said...

Breezy @ 5:03 say; “ It’s December 2025, more than five years after the 2020 presidential election. Five years. And now we’re learning that Georgia certified their election results despite the fact that 315,000 votes in Georgia were not in fact legal. ”

Because Pamela Geller says so?

Beasts of England said...

Never a doubt - RTR!! ;)

Jersey Fled said...

King and Queen of Thailand depart Buhsan airport as pilot and copilot of 737.

https://x.com/rainmaker1973/status/2002380969505067387?s=61

Caroline said...

Humperdink @ 6:17: I’m with ya

Rusty said...

Inman
Merry Christmas to you too. Along with the rest of you.
Merry Christmas!

Original Mike said...

"Because Pamela Geller says so?"

Fulton County says so.

imTay said...

You have to remember that it would expose Ward to far more psychic pain to risk ostracisation from his group than it causes him to suppress his intellect and to believe a lie. Need to belong to a group is in our DNA since we spent millions of years living in small bands.

It’s the first law of propaganda and is the source of its power, therefore he must deny the plain fact that Georgia suppressed the illegality of hundreds of thousands of votes, or risk his membership in his group.

Narr said...

I'm sorry to learn of your tragedy, Prof. M. Drout, but will have to wait to read your piece at a place other than NYT's site.

And since the RCC and Anthony Burgess have come up--I invite everyone to read Earthly Powers.

imTay said...

Minnesota too is starting to see omertà crack on ballot stuffing. Imagine a world where our Secretary of State hadn’t threatened Russia with nuclear missiles five minutes from Moscow.

Okay, your need to belong to a group may make that difficult to believe, but Blinken did pay Joe Biden a million dollars to teach a class at Penn and there’s no evidence that he ever showed up, money laundering, and then got appointed SoS.

Jersey Fled said...

“ It’s December 2025, more than five years after the 2020 presidential election. Five years. And now we’re learning that Georgia certified their election results despite the fact that 315,000 votes in Georgia were not in fact legal.”

And once again a Trump conspiracy theory turns out to be true.

Ronald J. Ward said...

Actually Mike, no. Fulton County admitted a procedural violation — not that 315,000 votes were illegal or fraudulent. Those are very different claims. They acknowledged missing signatures on tabulation tapes. That’s a compliance issue — not proof of illegal votes or a stolen election.

Do you have a source saying otherwise? Because that interpretation comes from commentators and conspiracy theorists like Geller.

imTay said...

So as long as the rules are only bent, there can be no question that the election was completely fair! Kak is a propagandist, Ward is a mind guard, “We only didn’t follow a law written to protect the integrity of the vote, and since we didn’t follow the law, you can’t prove anything!”

“Oh wait, we should also try to jail Trump for even asking questions in such a trivial violation of election laws!”

imTay said...

315K votes where the effort wasn’t made to ensure that they were properly cast in an election decided by a ten percent of that number? Only a screwball conspiracy theorist could imagine anything amiss with the final result!

Original Mike said...

There are laws to detect fraud. Those laws were broken. Hence, we do not know if fraud occurred. Calling this "a compliance issue" is disingenuous.

Ronald J. Ward said...

You’re right that the purpose of those laws is fraud detection.
But “we don’t know” is not evidence that fraud happened — and it doesn’t override multiple audits, recounts, and investigations that did test the results and found them consistent.

Original Mike said...

"But “we don’t know” is not evidence that fraud happened"

Not saying it is. But Biden "won" Georgia by 11,779 votes. 315,000 of the votes were not audited and never can be.

"and it doesn’t override multiple audits, recounts, and investigations that did test the results and found them consistent."

Not this crap again.
If this election was so scrutinized, why is this breech only coming out five years later?

Michael McNeil said...
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Michael McNeil said...

Jacob Bronowski made this interesting comment about the nature of “play” in science and nature: {quoting…}

The process of learning is essential to our lives. All higher animals seek it deliberately. They are inquisitive and they experiment. An experiment is a sort of harmless trial run of some action which we shall have to make in the real world; and this, whether it is made in the laboratory by scientists or by fox-cubs outside their earth. The scientist experiments and the cub plays; both are learning to correct their errors of judgment in a setting in which errors are not fatal. Perhaps this is what gives them both their air of happiness and freedom in these activities.

(Jacob Bronowski, The Common Sense of Science, 1951)

Old and slow said...

Recounts are meaningless when you are counting flawed ballots. You guys got away with fraud, but you won fair and square. It is incumbent on the Rs to prevent this in future, but it is still very clear who is being dishonest.

Ronald J. Ward said...

The safeguard failed — not the recounts, not the audits, and not the ballots themselves.

Conflating those is the leap you keep making.

What baffles me is that Trump laid out this strategy his entire first term- that the only way he could lose was if it was rigged. It’s well documented. And all indicators ranging from polls to funding to donors to the expected late mail in count predicted his loss.

This is precisely why I refer to election deniers as the Basket of Gulibles.

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