Morris uses that book to try to get to an honest assessment of the career of the recently murdered film director. I don't know if I'm getting the punctuation right, but from the transcript of the podcast, Thompson seems to have written:
"As a director, [Rob Reiner] seemed more struck — or poleaxed — by the notion that niceness could save the world. It is a petty thought, but one that stifles so many human and social realities. And so his work turns to pie in the sky with good and bad all too clearly labeled. He's carried along by a fundamental decency and a sense of scenes that play. But his films are predictable from their first moments, and they begin to establish a weird, dumb orthodoxy that if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay. This is not true. Life is more interesting."
More interesting and, at times, far far more horrible.
But Thompson's words are left to speak for themselves as Wesley Morris makes a quick turn to a happy ending. He says:
I think the thing that made [Rob Reiner] lovable... as a human being, the reason he was so beloved by so many different people was that he really believed in the fundamental goodness of people, no matter what. You know, it's an impossible situation for a parent to turn your back on a child, and in the end he did not. And he didn't because, you know, those movies were this man — for better and for worse — but ultimately for better because they were about our better selves. This was a man who believed in life, he believed in people. And the movies stand as a testament to that belief, as far as I'm concerned. And when it clicked and for like I'd say 10 years, this man was humming. It really, really, really made people happy. The work that he made. And it's just that, you know, there's the family tragedy part, and then there is the, the happy guy part. He just seemed like such a joyful, like a beautiful big bear of a man and you just, he seemed like either he was gonna hug you or you could hug him. You were gonna hug him completely and he would be okay with that. His movies were like that too. For the most part. They were, they're always there to hug you....
And there it is, that notion — as Thompson put it — that niceness can save the world, that petty thought, that stifling of human and social realities, that pie in the sky with good and bad all too clearly labeled, that weird, dumb orthodoxy that if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay, that lie.
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134 comments:
I don't think this is describing anything unique in Reiner's films.
My take may be wrong but fiction need not perfectly mirror reality. Funny that…
"I don't think this is describing anything unique in Reiner's films."
It's not unique. It's ordinary and popular and it distinguishes him from the great auteurs of film.
My nephew just graduated film school- don’t worry he already has a high paying job in the industry, but so many of his student projects, the writing, the imagery, most of it so dark and disturbing. I’ll take the happy endings from Reiner’s schlock over dystopian reality any day…
Reiner's life works were entertainment, not art - like his dad. And quite a bit of it was solidly good entertainment, at least early on.
His work stands as his work. Twenty years from now somebody watching The Princess Bride or This is Spinal Tap or, gods forbid, the South Park episode he is caricatured in, will see not the man but the work, not the horrors of his wife's murder, and his, by his son. Some of it will still be enjoyed, some (SP, looking at you) will lose a lot of punch because the celebrity aspect of the humor will be long gone.
The idea of objective morality just ends the entire Democrat Party platform.
There is a reason Reiner was so vicious and hateful as a human being. His lack of an objective moral framework led to constant failure on the personal level.
His economic success was the result of people wanting to believe we can all just share snacks and be happy.
His moral development was stunted when he was 12 and he never recovered.
It's interesting that his best movies were before his son Nick was born. The Daily Mail has published reports from friends of the family that Nick had anger issues from the start, long before the drugs. The family yoga instructor even wrote and published a children's book called "A Chair in the Air" about a child who had horrible temper tantrums, all about Nick. Maybe a reason his films were less successful after 1992 was because he no longer believed that niceness could save the world (or your children.)
(Previous comment deleted and edited to correct the name of the book)
This event will frame and book end his work in the way that the charges against Woody Allen book end his movies, especially Manhattan........I don't think the world would profit from more spite and malice, but maybe if we restricted our spite and malice to MAGA Republican, the world would be a nicer place. Those types are so much worse that third world rape gangs.
What's wrong about a "feel-good move"?
Niceness may not solve all the world's problems, but it makes life a bit easier to live.
The Family Yoga Instructor
As Achilles points out above, Reiner wasn't very "nice" to people in the MAGA movement. He slandered and lied constantly. The art and the artist have to be separated. Most are unable to practice what they preach. Like U2's tax avoidance efforts. The Princess Bride is still a great film.
Ann Althouse said...
"I don't think this is describing anything unique in Reiner's films."
It's not unique. It's ordinary and popular and it distinguishes him from the great auteurs of film.
Children’s fiction is usually the best selling genre because it doesn’t weed out the people who get past those lower levels of moral development.
Some of his movies are art and will live on. There is no guarantee that good artists are good people. I think his Trump Derangement did reveal a misdirected anger to the point of mental illness - but that doesn't keep The Princess Bride and Stand by Me from being movies people will watch for 100 years.
I'd also mention that Rob Reiner and his father are the only people who ever blocked me on Twitter. It was in response to a tweet suggesting that trying to crush Ivanka's business was sort of McCarthyite.
Marcus Bressler said...
What's wrong about a "feel-good move"?
There is nothing wrong with it existing.
The problem comes when you try to apply the juvenile morality of a feel good movie to real life. The real problems start when you let everyone vote no matter how morally retarded they are.
Rob Reiner was a moral juvenile and when his sharing snacks level of moral development failed to raise a son he lashed out at the people who pointed out the inevitable consequences of his world view.
I did think of Reiner as a big, awkward, shambling bear. Apparently, he did have a patient, kindly, loveable side, but how to reconcile that with some of his tweets and his intriguing with Clapper and Brennan?
I suppose he was a complicated, contradictory person, a mixture of nasty and nice. Was he that different in that from most people? He tweeted the sort of thing that people post online everyday, but he went much further into bringing his tweeting into the offline world. Some barrier or inhibition wasn't there.
The description of Reiner's pictures also fits a lot of Stephen King's and Steven Spielberg's works. The "band of intrepid kids" motif has become a tired cliche. When I see it coming, I run in the opposite direction.
The Daily Mail has published reports from friends of the family that Nick had anger issues from the start, long before the drugs.
I wonder if Nick had attachment disorders. It would explain a lot.
There were many ways that society could have dealt with Nick Reiner that would have avoided him killing his father and mother.
Level 3 moral development is “if I am nice to you then you be nice to me.” Socialists never get past this level of moral development.
If people don’t get past this level life is mean to them and they inevitably lash out and try to kill people who point out why they are failing.
When these people take over a society millions die. This is a repetitive historical pattern.
Spinal Tap, Princess Bride & Stand By Me have Golden Age heart.
I dont know what the hell he's talking about. I suppose he's focused on Reiner's comedies. Or "stand by me". But Misery or A few good men, or LBJ aren't focused on niceness.
Reiner didn't believe in "Niceness". He believed in making $$$. Comedies have to popular to make $$, and after "Stand by Me" and "Harry met Sally" he thought "Niceness" -= box office success. He was making movies for the mass audience, not critics.
Taking Reiner to task for not being Woody allen or making Edgy comedy is goofy. Reiner really wasn't a comedy writer, he was a producer/director. Seeing clips of him talking to comics, I was struck at the lack of wit. But then he didn't do standup or do much TV comedy writing before he made it big.
When Reiner was great, he was great - I will always love This Is Spinal Tap and The Princess Bride in particular. The end of his life is tragic, because he was faced with something he could not control. As I've thought about it, I wonder if the reason Reiner was so unhinged about Trump was because he could say things about Trump that he couldn't say about the demon he confronted in his own home.
Again, if you look at his producing directing career, he had very few boxoffice hits after "a few good men" 1992. Reiner's reputation as a "The talented Director" was built on films from 1984 to 1992. He coasted after that.
If Reiner's movies insist that "if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay" then his slaughter seems an act of movie criticism.
It's the narrative arc.
I think the thing that made [Rob Reiner] lovable... as a human being, the reason he was so beloved by so many different people was that he really believed in the fundamental goodness of people, no matter what.
Well that certainly explains child rapists. Or maybe not …
In the film he made with Nick about Nick, the father was a raging bull who wouldn't let his son speak--in the few seconds I watched. I was surprised Reiner would let himself be portrayed like that, but he did stick Nick in rehab 17 times before giving up. I don't recall law enforcement ever being involved, or did they manage to keep it out of the news?
if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay
How do you get a huge, growing, debt-fueled, war-loving, corruption-supporting, all-knowing, all-seeing, freedom-denying government out of that?
RCOCEAN II said...
Again, if you look at his producing directing career, he had very few boxoffice hits after "a few good men" 1992. Reiner's reputation as a "The talented Director" was built on films from 1984 to 1992. He coasted after that.
To the extent that Reiner took a good screenplay and turned it into a successful movie he had talent and executive function that made him successful.
It was pretty clear though that as he started being able to pick his projects and putting more of his ideas and personality into the productions the quality eroded.
Reiner became financially successful before he was challenged with a formative crisis that forced him to grapple with more complex moral issues.
"It's ordinary and popular and it distinguishes him from the great auteurs of film."
🤷 There are far more filmmakers that have copied Spinal Tap than the other way around. Who are these superior artistes?🧑🎨
Leland wondered: "I wonder if Nick had attachment disorders. It would explain a lot."
Maybe. He seemed a bit autistic in the interview Althouse posted the other day. But then again, he may have been on psychotropic medication which can give people an odd affect.
I get that Reiner directed a much loved movie, but “The Princess Bride” was released almost 40 years ago. The last movie of his for which I was prepared to spend money on tickets and popcorn was “The Bucket List,” released almost two decades. From what I read about “God and Country,” which he produced but did not direct, he ended his life understanding neither Christianity nor conservative politics and certainly not conservative Christian politics.
Reiner’s films were sentimental, which is spit in the eye of tough-minded anti-bourgeois film pooh-bahs like Richard Thomson. But any canon that can’t accommodate Princess Bride and Spinal Tap is built on theory rather than actual human experience.
i just got done, looking over Reiner's filmography on Wikipedia..
Looks like he should have (could have) quit when he was ahead;
and just lived on the early one's royalities (and tended to his son)
His last (TWENTY YEARS of) movies weren't anything to crow over
eee gads - I detest U2.
Reiner was good at directing/producing commercial mainstream movies in the 80s and early 90s. Excactly, the kind of films critics have minimal respect for. Nothing wrong with producing mass entertainment (and getting lots of help) - but great art it aint.
And there's no evidence Reiner was an especially "nice" person. He seems to have angry issues. And been full of hate for people who disagreed with him politically.
He wasn't a friend of mine, and always found it odd how some people have a "relationship" with people they never met.
In those parts of Reiner that were visible to the public, he did seem affable and decent. Well, you just have to look at him and Nick talking about how they resolved some of their issues by making a film together to realize that what is visible to you is not always the whole story.......I don't know much about the dynamics of addiction, and I'm sure that it cannot always be blamed on bad parenting. I will observe, however, that if any of Trump's children had turned out like Hunter or Nick, then bad parenting would be be the sole and exclusive reason for their addiction.
Jack Cashill's take on Trump's reaction: In Defense of Trump's Rob Reiner Eulogy
David Thomson is another Mid-Wit Brit. His favorite films are as predictable as a football interview.
the notion that niceness could save the world. It is a petty thought, but one that stifles so many human and social realities.
That mirrors the counterintuitiveness of alcoholism. How can something that did so much for me (take away my fear of people and thereby hacking my loneliness) could also kill me, if I let it.
Niceness helps, but it is not a panacea.
Mr. D said... I wonder if the reason Reiner was so unhinged about Trump was because he could say things about Trump that he couldn't say about the demon he confronted in his own home.
Very possible.
"But his films are predictable from their first moments, and they begin to establish a weird, dumb orthodoxy that if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay."
I guess I need to dig out my copy of Thompson's book for context (although it's the 4th edition, so he may have less, or something different, to say about Reiner). Reiner's reputation rests on those first seven films which really are an amazing run of cultural touchstones. Who else even comes close to that? Hitchcock? Hawks? Spielberg? Zemeckis? I'm not sure any of them quite got 7 in a row. I don't remember "be nice to our kids" as being a component of any of them. Am I missing something? It seems like a really weird thing to say. Maybe Thompson is speaking specifically about "North" and later films.
I'm with Mr D. I wonder if Reiner's unhinged political screaming in later years was an attempt to deal with his private stresses by lashing out in a different direction.
People will be watching The Princess Bride well into the next century. And as much as I like This Is Spinal Tap I don't think it will have longevity. Spinal Tap is satire and satire requires an understanding of what is being poked fun at. Since rock-n-roll is now dead no one will know or care about the weirdness of rock bands and their antics in the future.
Pollyannaism permiated Boomer childhood culture. Factors responsible included but not limited to the unconditional victory of WWII, the booming postwar economic benefits to the middle class, the massive build out of affordable single family single income affordable homes and the construction of Disneyland was the backbone of the mid century modern American dream.
Ironically, this is the greatness that Trump harkens to when he says Make America Great Again.
“His moral development was stunted when he was 12 and he never recovered.”
And what happened to your moral development?
@William ..."I will observe, however, that if any of Trump's children had turned out like Hunter or Nick, then bad parenting would be be the sole and exclusive reason for their addiction."
Precisely. And I would add, regardless of what conclusions unfold regarding the circumstances of these deaths, even if aspects of TDS were somehow a root cause, the putative sentiments you describe would be unchanged and unmoved.
“Level 3 moral development is “if I am nice to you then you be nice to me.” Socialists never get past this level of moral development.
If people don’t get past this level life is mean to them and they inevitably lash out and try to kill people who point out why they are failing.
When these people take over a society millions die. This is a repetitive historical pattern.”
Achilles says this, yet he supports Trump who is the poster boy for this moral development retardation.
“Throughout 2025, President Donald Trump has consistently reinforced a philosophy of transactional relationship-building, frequently stating that he will be "nice" or "friendly" to those who are nice to him.
Key Statements on Personal Relationships
Business and Diplomacy: In a September 2025 address to the United Nations, Trump emphasized that he prefers to do business only with people he likes, noting of one world leader, "He liked me, I liked him... if I'm friendly with people, if I have a relationship with people, that’s a good thing".
Gemini
And as much as I like This Is Spinal Tap I don't think it will have longevity. Spinal Tap is satire and satire requires an understanding of what is being poked fun at
Maybe you won't be watching Spinal Tap, but you will be watching a movie (or TV show like The Offfice or Parks and Rec) that traces its inspiration back to Spinal Tap.
As far as pop culture goes , This Is Spinal Tap casts a very very long shadow. Portraying Reiner as unoriginal is the stupidest take I have read in a while. And yes his best films were many years ago. Who does that standard not apply to? When was Spielberg's last memorable tilm? How many all rime classsics has Woody Allen made in the last 25 years?
Not every film can be revolutionary. Derp.
I wonder if Nick had attachment disorders.
Some people don't attach. Deeply insecure people are more dangerous than we think. They will go out of their way to manipulate, destroy and harm people because they don't like and respect themselves and in turn are unable to like and respect others.
His eyes are saying it all. Even when he is looking at you, he is not looking at you at all. Callous unemotional traits signify a deficit in conscience. This cuck has lead antisocial life for a long while and his daddy enabled him. The magic of learning from your experience was waisted in this case.
There's that Archie Bunker word: "stifle."
As a director, [Rob Reiner] seemed more struck — or poleaxed — by the notion that niceness could save the world. It is a petty thought, but one that stifles so many human and social realities.
Reminds me of Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions, which sought to explain much of the basis of the ideological divide.
AI Summary: Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions contrasts the constrained vision, seeing humans as inherently flawed and limited, favoring tradition and institutions (like checks and balances) to manage imperfections, with the unconstrained vision, believing humans are perfectible through reason and better systems, leading to faith in experts and radical societal restructuring for ideal outcomes. The core difference lies in views on human nature: the constrained vision accepts self-interest and flaws, while the unconstrained vision sees potential for moral improvement, viewing existing problems as failures of institutions rather than inherent human nature.
And what Milton Friedman famously told Phil Donahue .
Friedman: So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear that there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.
Donahue: But it seems to reward not virtue as much as ability to manipulate the system.
Friedman: And what does reward virtue? . . . I think you’re taking a lot of things for granted. Just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us. I don't even trust you to do that.
Sowell was a socialist while studying under Friedman and others at the University of Chicago, until he actually went to work for the government, an experience which converted him to conservatism.
So Thomson had early dreams of being a filmmaker, tried and failed, and then became an influencer talking about films that other more talented people made. Reminds me of the T Roosevelt quote: ""The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds".
Reiner made the films that Thomson can only talk about. To Roosevelt, "It is not the critic who counts" but the doer, acknowledging the honor in attempting great deeds, even if failure occurs.
"I wonder if Reiner's unhinged political screaming in later years was an attempt to deal with his private stresses by lashing out in a different direction."
Reiner's unhinged political screaming began long before Trump came down the escalator.
You can take any genre of film, and usually any creator, and if you focus on them, their movies become predictable. Predictability comes from knowledge and familiarity. Very few movies are unpredictable, and they're often bad too. I like a surprise, but I don't consider it a value. It's easy to create, and to an extent it hides other weaknesses a film may contain. It's like using profanity in comedy.
It seems that the Mike Stivic character was not really acting for Reiner. That was very close to the person he was, or at least projected.
"...if we're good to our kids, everything will be okay."
It depends on what the meaning of "good" is.
Does that mean coddling, tough love, or as in my case, near total free-ranging.
You have to wonder if anything could have been done different to change Nick's trajectory, or was it doomed to be tragic. It seems that way for some people.
Reiner didn't play a big role in my movie-watching life. Until his death and all the lists of his films, I couldn't have named more than one or two, and I couldn't swear that I've watched even one of them through.
Stand By Me and AFGM seem to have their own dedicated cable channels but they don't hold my attention.
Except inigo montoya wasnt nice
I liked many of his movies, and Stand by Me is a near perfect account of a common day in my childhood, minus the dead body of course.
But take a few good men nathan jessup is painted as the villain
But if often requires rigorous training to become a marine
One might say jag which was on for 10 years was derivative of z few good men
Although that might have been sorkins general outline
Im reminded of an anecdote in the equalizer that mccall addresses to remsen about a boy adopted by a good hearted man and the boy ultimately betrays him, (its suggested the boy grew up to be the spetznaz trained enforcer(
Spinal Tap isn’t predictable or nice or child-friendly. Did the critic miss all his early films because that’s where the genius was.
“Throughout 2025, President Donald Trump has consistently reinforced a philosophy of transactional relationship-building, frequently stating that he will be "nice" or "friendly" to those who are nice to him."
And? Do you, Inga, spend a lot of time hanging out with people who you don't like? Voluntarily? Except here? And its a business axiom that people do business with people they like.
He took that retard to the parties. "Look at the son I have!" Like Biden.
@D.D. Driver
I agree that Spinal Tap is and will continue to be influential. Hell, in 100 years people might still be using the phrase "turning it up to 11" without knowing where it came from. Its kind of like I told a friend of mine when he asked why even the peasants liked Shakespeare 400 years ago, "Because they understood the dirty parts."
I'll alway remember his tireless devotion to finding the cure for Groats Disease.
Give generously in his memory. We must find a cure.
You can send donations to me at po Box 1128,Fajardo pr 00738
I will MN take sure they go for maximum. Good.
John Henry
He did a savage mockumentary of dumb rockers, a teen sex comedy, a comic fable with Andre the Giant, a coming-of-age hunt for a corpse, a fantastic courtroom drama, and a rom-com for adults. His early work was brilliant and eclectic. How old is the critic? I suspect he missed all these movies.
Thats a good summary
In my Secrets of changeover skilshop I talk about the need for precise speed setting of all machines. I have slides of various tachometer and controllers. I have a slide of a common control that I modified in the Pic to go 0-11 instead of 0-10
Caption says "for when the boss is on your case to get more production out"
Most attendees get the joke.
John Henry
A lot of us anti-socials wouldn't hurt a fly, so it's more than that... I hope.
David thomson is 84, which is hard to tell because his nose is all the way up his own rear
So Reiner was a good journeyman director, but his own original ideas didn't measure up for the most part?
I saw "Being Charlie" but it left no impression on me. I'll have to see it again. Apparently, there was a confessional element in it, but the father was played by Cary Elwes (an actual upperclass Brit), perhaps as a WASPy type.
Also deceased today, Norman Podhoretz and Gil "Buck Rogers" Gerard. Tony "General Hospital" Geary passed away when the Reiners were being murdered. We find out that Gil Gerard had been addicted to alcohol, cocaine, and junk food, and that Tony was married to a guy.
No word on what Norman's secret was, but there's this in his son's obituary for him: Through his nine-plus decades journeying fom Brooklyn poverty to Manhattan comfort, he fathered and raised four children, 13 grandchildren, and 16 great-grandchildren. That's a lot of begetting. It seems he was prolific in more than his literary career.
How old is the critic? I suspect he missed all these movies.
David Thomson was born in 1941 and first published his film encyclopedia in 1975.
I loved that show, a hollywood star from the 70s with a druf addiction stop the presses
I just looked him up, David Thompson is ancient. Okay, he’s a movie critic with no sense of humor. And he dismisses comedy as light and beneath him.
This is a common attitude in Hollywood. That’s why A Few Good Men was nominated for Best Picture and Spinal Tap was completely ignored.
Reiner’s comic instincts deserted him and he started making really sappy bad films. But he was, at the height of his art, a really good filmmaker.
As a director, [Rob Reiner] seemed more struck — or poleaxed — by the notion that niceness could save the world. It is a petty thought, but one that stifles so many human and social realities
I’m angry at the people who utter this and other statements like this. You are the motherfuckers who destroyed movies and television. Every movie must be ‘important’- scores of climate armageddon flicks, leftie political thrillers, fucking Borat…movies are supposed to entertain. If a director likes saccharine endings so be it. Make your propaganda someplace else…
We need reasonable Choice control.
There was nothing "predictable" or "nice" about the fake orgasm scene.
Which was why it was funny as hell.
Nor the punchline at the end
D.D. Driver said...
“Maybe you won't be watching Spinal Tap, but you will be watching a movie (or TV show like The Office or Parks and Rec) that traces its inspiration back to Spinal Tap. As far as pop culture goes, ‘This Is Spinal Tap’ casts a very very long shadow.”
In college, a female acquaintance asked “Why do you guys like Jimi Hendrix so much? His guitar work sounds like every ‘70s heavy metal band out there.”
Yeah she got it backwards
Great write-up of Reiner in The Telegraph
After making his debut in 1984 with the spoof “rockumentary” This Is Spinal Tap, he enjoyed a golden run of classy hits: the touching coming-of-age drama Stand by Me, about four 12-year-old boys hunting for a corpse; the pawky fairytale The Princess Bride; the mordant romcom When Harry Met Sally…; the claustrophobic shocker Misery; and the explosive courtroom melodrama A Few Good Men.
Although the last of those was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Picture, Reiner himself never received an Oscar nomination. For his detractors, the disparity of tone and genre in his films indicated a superficial talent unable to create a body of work stamped with his own personality. His movies were said to be glib, their morality unsophisticated; his success, the critic David Thomson averred, was due to his having “that old, unbeatable sense of silly things that work”.
There was no doubting the cultural impact of his first pictures, however. With This Is Spinal Tap, he pioneered the “mockumentary” genre, paving the way for a new generation of spoof comedies ranging from The Office to Borat. Many of the film’s gags became totemic: when Reiner attended a fundraiser at which Elon Musk was demonstrating his first electric car, the tech magnate proudly showed Reiner that the car radio’s volume switch reached a maximum of 11, in homage to the celebrated Spinal Tap amp riff.
Thomson saw the movies but missed the art, and the humor. Sad!
As a teenager in south africa similarly ted cruz memorized patinkins montoya monologue (much to the chagrin of patinkin)
I think artists, especially actors and directors who are highly empathetic and intuitive, are more likely to have mentally ill children or parents. These people are hyper vigilant to their loved ones' state of mind and, as a result, acquire the ability to read subtle emotional cues. If you have a normal wife (and kids), your emotional intelligence suffers and you are less able to adopt to challenging situations.
something new I found out...
As well as directing, Reiner played the documentary-maker Marty DiBergi – earning the wrath of Martin Scorsese for parodying his interviewing style in The Last Waltz – and remained impressively deadpan in his exchanges with moronic musicians such as Nigel Tufnel, played by Christopher Guest. (Nigel: “I’m really influenced by Mozart and Bach…” Marty: “What do you call this?” Nigel: “Well, this piece is called Lick My Love Pump.”)
Mocking Martin Scorsese! Dude.
The sacrilege
Leftists like to use bullets to kill Charlie Kirk... for speech they don't like.
A bit off topic but interesting none the less.
For those of you who think President Trump’s response to Reiner’s death was inappropriate, Reiner would probably approve criticizing a political opponent. This was his response to Rush Limbaugh’s cancer diagnosis and death:
“On the cancer diagnosis/Medal of Freedom (February 2020): Shortly after Trump awarded Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom (during the State of the Union, mentioning his advanced lung cancer), Reiner tweeted: “Only one thing to say about Rush Limbaugh getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom at The State of the Union: I loathe this f—ing man.”
• On Limbaugh’s death (February 18, 2021): The day after Limbaugh died, Reiner posted criticizing his legacy, calling him a “liar” and “purveyor of disinformation” who spread “big lies” (e.g., on climate change), urging vigilance against similar figures to protect democracy.
Rob Reiner co-founded Castle Rock entertainment, which produced a lot of amazing movies. Here are a dozen highlights...
When Harry Met Sally...
City Slickers
A Few Good Men
In the Line of Fire
Barcelona
The Shawshank Redemption
Before Sunrise
The Green Mile
Best in Show
Miss Congeniality
Music and Lyrics
Michael Clayton
After her death nobody criticized Nora Ephron for making saccharine garbage. Sexist…
bold Beetleguise
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eff this internet backwater
Oh barcelona another favorite
Eva Marie--that IS interesting.
Limbaugh was notably gracious in his interactions with his lefty antagonists.
Speaking of attractive women in the cast
ah, sorry guys
Dont let it happen again. Hrumpf
Oh barcelona another favorite
What's so cool about this to me is that it's a completely right-wing, Republican movie. And Reiner's production company financed it. Kudos. It's a beautiful work of art. Whit Stillman is a genius.
Notably, when Castle Rock stopped funding him, Stillman couldn't find any money from anybody in Hollywood for a decade.
In a just universe, Stillman would have 30 or 40 films to his credit. Criterion came out with a Whit Stillman trilogy.
Well he got last days of disco (,which capped the trilogy)
I'm so bold, when I go away, the boldness stays with you.
yeah, Reiner financed his Disco movie. (I love the first two, but Disco gives me hives). Maybe that one lost money, I don't know. Or the production company was hurting. You can see the whole list of Castle Rock movies here
he also did the Linklater trilogy: Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Before Midnight.
The last Stillman movie was 1998. Probably the election of George W. Bush is what sent Reiner screaming to the left. Anyway, Stillman was cut off.
A thought in its early processes, subject to change:
When talking ‘Great Directors’ people are often alluding to those who have a definitive artistic stamp: a look, a sensibility, a choice of themes that are easy to identify with them. There is a single-mindedness about them, often coupled with an at-least-implied arrogance — you WILL acknowledge this film as Art; you WILL acknowledge my Genius.
Specificities come to mind at the mention of their name: Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, Lynch, Hitchcock etc.
They are a BRAND.
Without the BRAND, they are merely talented directors: Sydney Pollack, Sidney Lumet, etc. (Note: not all of them are named Sidney/Sydney back then, it just can happen that way.)
Reiner is a Talented Director.
One thing I commend about his work is that he gets the most out of his actors. You know: kind of a ‘director-thing’, I think.
For instance: in “When Harry Meets Sally” he got an actor’s performance out of Billy Crystal. Like: an actual performance with some depth. Scorsese gets an actor’s performance out of DeNiro: I get it. But Reiner made Billy Crystal more than a less-likable Woody Allen: that is talent.
In “Stand by Me” he got great performances out of children. In Godfather Three, Coppola couldn’t get a good performance out of his own daughter.
Reiner was not one to find Mystery and Significance by following a child in a hotel hallway with a Steadicam: that was not who he was.
But he was a more-than-competent maker of many entertaining films.
So I will say that for him.
I am Laslo.
The order is probably backwards with metropolitan being the last
@Laslo, entertaining is good, and better than what we are getting from filmmakers these days. But the last film Reiner made that was worth the cost of a pair of tickets at the local theater was "The Bucket List," which starred Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman, and was released 18 yeas ago.
Yeah sophia is not like nicholas cage (his nephew)
He was psycho about the entire family
"Rob Reiner's criticism of the Trump family was consistent and severe, often focusing on their fitness for office and the perceived threat they posed to American democracy."
okay, i'm sorry but i've Got To pour a big bucket of cold reality on y'all.
you folks saying "..being movies people will watch for 100 years.."
What THE HELL are you thinking?
a) do you REALLY think people (any people) will be watching "movies" in 30 years? let alone 100?
[sadly, i'm sure you do]
b) WHO do you think IS going to be around in 100 years?
you REALLY think that inbred Pakistanis are going to be watching Spinal Tap? or the Princess Bride? How about Gazans?
Please help me out.. and name a SINGLE demographic that is breeding at replacement levels (or above), that will watch 20th century Hollywood movies
Sorry, oldsters; but the future Belongs to those who show up..
And THOSE PEOPLE don't watch Rob Reiner films
“Hollywood movies are a staple in Pakistani cinemas, often screening alongside a limited number of local productions (Pakistan produces only 10–20 films annually). Major blockbusters like Top Gun: Maverick, Avatar, The Dark Knight, Jurassic Park, Titanic, The Shawshank Redemption, and Marvel/Avengers films perform strongly at the box office and are among the most loved and highest-grossing foreign films there.”
Titanic, The Lion King, and Frozen are big in Gaza.
You folks don’t understand how seductive American culture is. We are loved/hated.
Rob Reiner directed an extraordinary run of films between 1984 and 1992: This Is Spinal Tap, The Sure Thing, Stand by Me, The Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally..., Misery, and A Few Good Men. That's one of the greatest directing streaks in history—and remarkably, no two of these movies resemble each other.
After seeing Stand by Me, Stephen King was so moved that he reportedly offered Reiner the option rights to any of his future works for just $1 each. In gratitude, Reiner named his production company Castle Rock after the fictional Maine town that serves as the setting for many of King's stories. King himself wrote a touching remembrance of the experience in The New York Times ("Stephen King: Why I Hugged Rob Reiner After Watching ‘Stand by Me’").
One of Reiner's greatest gifts as a director was his relaxed, collaborative style with actors. He gave them space to develop their characters and improvise, trusting that truly talented performers literally inhabit the roles they play—and that no one understands those characters better than they do. This approach is what makes his films feel so deeply relatable and human, perhaps their most enduring quality.
Even in the comic absurdity of This Is Spinal Tap, the band members come across as tragic yet oddly endearing failures. Despite their pomposity, they feel authentic—you can't help but like them and root for them.
Here's the thing about film/TV. Almost all it is aimed at 100 IQ people. The broadmass of average people. Almost anyone can see a film or TV show, understand it, and comment on it.
As a result, no matter how bad the TV show or movie, you'll find millions who liked it. Go to IMDB and you'll see things like Ishtar or North will get 5 out of 5 stars by 10 percent of the commenters. So, I'm not shocked we have a lot of Rob Reiner and think he was a "great artist" (LOL).
You might as well argue about food quality with someone who loves Big Macs. Taste is unique and personal.
Eva Marie said...
A bit off topic but interesting none the less.
It isn't really that far off topic.
Part of the American Social contract was the cultural mores we all agreed to for decades.
But you can't really have a contract with someone who will break it when convenient or in pursuit of power over you.
The Great Auteurs works are over-rated. I’ll say that Scorsese is less pompous than most American directors. But he’s made way too many movies about criminal culture. Tarantino is a retarded version of Scorsese.
The Coen Brothers stuff works much better than David Lynch’s solipsism.
The Europeans are the Europeans. Sophisticated Flummery. All of them. Metropolis is the best European film. Maybe a few of their talkies are solid in the native language. But I doubt it. Turn off the volume on any movie and just watch it to get an appreciation of lighting & framing. Ridley Scott’s movies are visually spectacular. He would have been an All Star in the silent picture era.
Kurosawa is good. Deft lighting, framing, and symbolism.
It’s hard to believe that any Auteur ever will be more over-rated than Kubrick. His stuff is solid but forgettable.
..Major blockbusters like Top Gun: Maverick, Avatar, The Dark Knight, Jurassic Park, Titanic, The Shawshank Redemption, and Marvel/Avengers films perform strongly at the box office and are among the most loved and highest-grossing foreign films there.”
..Titanic, The Lion King, and Frozen are big in Gaza..
NONE of those sound ANY THING like ANY THING that Rob Reiner would have EVER made
my Bigger point, is the INSANE idea, that in a hundred years, people will still be enjoying 20th century movies..
(as NUMEROUS people here have stated as obvious fact).
How many people TODAY, spend ANY time watching movies from 1925? darn few.
not many people today will even watch black&white content, to say Nothing of silent films.
And some of you will say;
"Oh NO! there will be academics that will watch these ancient films."
and maybe so, but the overwhelming majority of people in a hundred years are NOT going to be watching When Harry Ate Sally
"It's not unique. It's ordinary and popular and it distinguishes him from the great auteurs of film."
So what should a good film maker do:
"Thomson introduces his selection with a few rules – how else can you possibly pick a top 10? Thomson, does and here are my thoughts on the ones he’s chosen so far.
Number one is La R�gle du Jeu which I haven’t seen. I’m somewhat embarrassed to admit this, since I was moved enough by a previous article that David Thomson wrote about this film to go out and buy the video – but I haven’t yet watched it! I even cut out and kept the article which warned me not to read it unitl I’d seen the film. I’m still sticking to this principle, so I’ve printed out Thomson’s notes to read after I finally see the film.
Number two is His Girl Friday – a film that I know and love. I have called it my favourite film of all time, since it was made at a time when they knew how to make comedies. More on this some other time.
Number three is Citizen Kane (these are ordered by Thomson chronologically by the way), which is widely considered one of the best ever films. Considering when it was made, its subject matter and the like, this is an astonishing work.
I’m ashamed to say that I haven’t even heard of numbers four and five – Ugetsu Monogatari and A Man Escaped."
https://www.adambowie.com/blog/2002/07/david_thomsons/#:~:text=Number%20one%20is%20La%20R,ten%20films%20of%20all%20time.
BTW, IMHO Citizen Kane is ordinary and popular. So is Welles "not unique" according to Althouse?
F.W. Murnau/John Ford/Gregg Toland
Shawshank Redemption was a Castle Rock oroduction
1925 no but the 30s yes Gone With the Wind 1940
Shirley Temple late 30s
Stand by Me is a near perfect account of a common day in my childhood
Your poor scrotum!
Reiner did not seem to be a nice man to me. He seemed extremely nasty in what I’ve read of his political rants. That said his death was one of the worst thing that can happen to a person. Murdered by your own child. So very sad.
"but the overwhelming majority of people in a hundred years are NOT going to be watching When Harry Ate Sally"
So that's what happened at Katz's. I thought he was eating pastrami.
Nick Reiner is described as a "troubled child", a "drug addict", and a "scary person". In videos, he appears to be an adult male obviously on autistic spectrum, displaying the tics and mannerisms of a high-functioning autistic adult male not able to adequately mask his discomfort and innate social miscues.
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