Writes Pamela Paul, in "The Growing Divide in the Rainbow Coalition/More gay people are speaking out against the gender ideology of trans and queer activists" (Wall Street Journal).
As the headline indicates, there's much more at the link than Appel's story. To quote just a bit:
For LGBTQ advocates, solidarity has been the dominant strategy, one that often requires tamping down on conflicts, especially in the face of what most consider hostile rhetoric and policies from the Trump administration....
"Everyone is hellbent on sticking together because they think there's strength and validation in numbers, but that's not true," says Arielle Scarcella, a 39-year-old Brooklyn-based YouTuber who frequently posts videos critiquing gender theory and trans activism to her 800,000 followers. "I think there's safety in sanity, because people can understand things that make sense, and none of this makes sense. You now have straight people calling themselves queer because they have purple hair and are non-monogamous."...
"A lot of gay people don't buy into this notion that there is no such thing as biological gender or support the insistence that male to female transgender people should be granted entry to women's-only spaces without clothing," [Barney Frank, the first openly gay member of Congress] said....
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So the kidz are finding out that the Progressive Lunacy's first principle, solidarity, is really just another word for 'bullying', whose first principle is 'enforcement'. Well, well, well. What have we here?
"especially in the face of what most consider hostile rhetoric and policies from the Trump administration...."
Examples - please. I hear Trump is going to round up and kill all the gays.
About time! I think I understand how we got here (the solidarity tactic/strategy), but, just as with all the other civil rights "coalitions" formed by cobbling together people whose - apologies for the term - basis for grievance* is superficially similar, I don't understand how they have proven to be as persistent as they have been.
* Maybe I just need more coffee, but I'm not coming up with a better term to describe what I mean. I'm speaking of "everybody who belongs to a numerical-minority ethnic group," "everybody whose skin color is not 'white,'" "everybody who isn't strictly attracted to members of the opposite sex, sans 'fetishes,'" and "women, whatever their circumstances." I myself do not consider these characteristics "bases for grievances," but they do seem to be thought of that way in civil rights circles.
Without wanting to be critical of the points raised, who actually buys books like this?
"More gay people are speaking out against the gender ideology of trans and queer activists" Good for them. But now take the next step: how did the gay rights movement contribute to the decline of "sanity"? When you break down a traditional sexual order, what's the stopping point? When you pursue justice by identifying the next victim group, why not another one? When you demand universal recognition for your sexual proclivities, and parade them publicly with "pride," on what basis would you deny the claims of other "queers"?
I'm in with the in crowd
I go where the in crowd goes
I'm in with the in crowd
And I know what the in crowd knows
But you don't, actually.
You hand in your ticket and you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you when he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel to be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible!" as he hands you a bone
And something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
Enjoy yer bone.
Again - Homosexuals have made great strides in open acceptance. The Gender confusion / men in women's sports and spaces / child sex abuse crowd hide behind it, and use it as a shield for their own nefarious purposes.
I am sick to death of the flag. the silly and every changing grievance/ victim/ virtue signaling flag that is nothing more than a lecture and a demand for attention.
The Rainbow banner and rhetoric are albinophobic. Diversity, Equivocation, and Indifference, indeed. Such are the spoils of embracing bloc theory under the class-disordered ideological umbrella. The problem for transgenders (e.g. homosexuals) now is collateral damage that progresses from adopting the principle of political congruence ("=").
Although I agreed with same sex marriage, at least as civil unions when it was controversial, I also argued that if we called it "marriage" we were pretending something that was not true and it would lead to the crazy lies the culture and even the law now assumes true.
It's the fatal flaw of progressivism that requires constant change into absurdity. If cultural perfection was achieved, there would still be progressives fighting angrily for change. Of course, perfection is impossible, but every minor imperfection or discomfort is treated as profound oppression that can require violence.
As always, the revolution devours its own. As always, we tumble down the slippery slope that we were warned about. Sometimes it's hard not to smile and think that the erstwhile revolutionaries deserve what they got.
Sebastian, those are good faith questions-my response:
I don't think us gays were the ones to break down any sexual order- we just stopped being in the closet. Straights are kinda on the hook for the sexual revolution.
The stopping point is 'If you are a grown adult, and it you are not hurting anybody-then fine go live your life as you see fit'
I think even very conservative people can say that and mean it.
I agree that once same sex marriage was legal the professional activists went looking for the next thing and trans seemed like a good fundraiser and excuse to feel righteous and indignant at the same time.
I take exception and tell you frankly I do not need you or anyone else to approve, or give recognition of what goes on in my bedroom. And btw Pride when I was young was NOT the slut/kink/fetish thing it is today. Yeah it was sometimes raunchy/bawdy stuff and yes it was 'in your face', but it was not the creep-fest (and bring your kids along too) festival it is today.
So the basis of this LGB saying no to the T et al, is again- if you are an adult and not hurting anyone, well then fine. But the trans people are going after kids, and grooming is terrible and I hate that the trans perverts are using whatever respect the LGBs have as camouflage to get at the kiddies. And no you can't change your gender- Stallions do not become mares- they can only become geldings. And yes boys in dresses should not compete against girls in sports.
I remember we called the pretty girl in math class's boyfriend "Bengay" behind his back. It may not be homophobia, just people hating you.
Homosexuals and simulants are believed to transition through environmental corruption some time after passing the threshold of viability (i.e six weeks) or following birth through social contagion. Johns Hopkins observed the former are a stable condition, while the latter are prone to entertain abortive ideation of selfie and others, any therapeutic effects have unpredictable value with forward-looking consequences and collateral damage. The modern family believes, without evidence, that the problem stems from physical incongruities with their mental state.
Homosexuals (e.g. bisexuals) and their backers are socially distancing from simulants (e.g. misogynists) in the transgender spectrum. The problem is, of course, that the former progressed through the principle of political congruence ("=") under the Pro-Choice religion where women are pushed to the back of the bus, girls under the bus, boys are groomed, babies are sacrificed, and having a gay old time is aborted in a mass delusion. #NoJudgment #NoLabels
No discrimination for queer sexual orientations (e.g. homosexual, pedophilia) is an equitable and inclusive privilege exercised with liberal license under Democratic law. All's fair in lust and abortion? Maybe, baby, not.
’When you break down a traditional sexual order, what's the stopping point?’
They had no concern about a stopping point. The only goal of destroying norms is power, so nothing else mattered.
Diversity of individuals, minority of one. Civil unions for all consenting adults. #HateLovesAbortion
Sex: male and female, is established from conception. Gender: masculine and feminine, refers to sex-correlated attributes. Trans indicates a state or process of divergence.
The gay community is spending political capital supporting the lunacy of transgender activism. This is a reflection of Democrat Party über alles. Not everyone is a Democrat and not all Democrats are lunatics - however likely that may seem at times.
Real gay people have discovered they are better than the transfurrys.
Gender ideology is liberal (i.e. divergent), progressive (i.e. monotonic) and homosexual inclusive. That said, transgender is a spectrum. Under Diversity, it is reduced to a bloc. Diversity dogma is a transhumane ideological bent of ethical choices under a reductive umbrella.
It seems likely to me that every* civil rights (or "civil rights") group comprises primarily people of goodwill who simply want to be treated the same way as the traditionally "included" - yeah, I am talking about white males. It's irrelevant, for purposes of this discussion, to tot up the many and significant contributions and sacrifices of white males, individually and as a group; those contributions were not - or not primarily - for the betterment of humanity (though they've had that effect), and those sacrifices were not in exchange for their rights (though they were often in defense of them). It's just inarguable that throughout most of our history as a nation and as Western civilization before that, propertied white men have enjoyed rights that other groups didn't.
Set that aside, though, because it's not that way any more (in great part through the efforts and commitment of propertied white men, without whom the changes couldn't have been made). The point I'm making is that other groups may largely be composed of people who just want those same rights, but in every civil rights group, there appears to be a small but disproportionately influential group of Marxists who are willing to use that group to advance their project of destabilizing and ultimately destroying the societal order.
It's good when the group realizes that they've been used.
* Trans may be different. As a "civil rights" group, they don't seem just to want to have ordinary people's rights and to be left alone. Note that I am not talking about the tiny percentage of actual trans adults, who - anecdotally - do seem to want only those things.
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but since OJ answered my questions, here are some responses:
"I don't think us gays were the ones to break down any sexual order- we just stopped being in the closet. Straights are kinda on the hook for the sexual revolution."
Yes, straights fueled sexual revolution, but gays took it a step further. Example: Pride parades.
"The stopping point is 'If you are a grown adult, and it you are not hurting anybody-then fine go live your life as you see fit'. I think even very conservative people can say that and mean it."
The not-hurting principle is, shall we say, contested. Trans advocates claim men invading women's spaces is not really "hurting anybody," and denying trans access does hurt. Of course, taking sides goes beyond principle: who decides hurt? (Many conservatives also think sexual norms need more than adult consent/not hurting.)
"I agree that once same sex marriage was legal the professional activists went looking for the next thing and trans seemed like a good fundraiser and excuse to feel righteous and indignant at the same time."
Right. No doubt some SSM advocates argued in good faith (Sullivan), but the unintended-but-foreseeable consequence was to open the door to other claims.
"I take exception and tell you frankly I do not need you or anyone else to approve, or give recognition of what goes on in my bedroom."
I did not imply any need for bedroom supervision. But both the gay rights and trans movement claim more than bedroom autonomy, namely public recognition and approval (including in education), plus financial support for the consequences of consenting but harmful sexual conduct (HIV/AIDS etc. etc.) and gender modification.
"And btw Pride when I was young was NOT the slut/kink/fetish thing it is today. Yeah it was sometimes raunchy/bawdy stuff and yes it was 'in your face', but it was not the creep-fest (and bring your kids along too) festival it is today."
But that is what it has become. Question is whether that is an unfortunate unforeseen result or the outcome of a dynamic inherent in the movement. I appreciate the comment but hear few gay voices pushing back against the creepiness. The emerging ethos (aided by straights) seems to be: anything goes.
"So the basis of this LGB saying no to the T et al, is again- if you are an adult and not hurting anyone, well then fine. But the trans people are going after kids, and grooming is terrible and I hate that the trans perverts are using whatever respect the LGBs have as camouflage to get at the kiddies. And no you can't change your gender- Stallions do not become mares- they can only become geldings. And yes boys in dresses should not compete against girls in sports."
We are on the same wavelength and I think the gay pushback is useful. My questions were more historical/empirical.
Trans activism is anti-gay, as Ben Appel succinctly confirms.
The problem for sims is two-fold: conflation of sex and gender under the principle of political congruence ("="), and ostensibly therapeutic treatment targeting boys and girls before their status can be known. The social distancing of homos from sims, transsocials, too?, was predictable, but inevitable as a consequence of Diversity dogma that is bloc reductive. #HateLovesAbortion
The sexual revolution was a liberal progression.
One benefit of the ultra woke trans movement is that it has made regular gay people appear to be normal in the minds of the conservative right wing.
To Tommeyesq's question: "who buys this sort of book?".
Answer: our public library, in a working-class small city of 50,000 folks, 25% retirees, has a large "trans-activism" book collection, both in English and in Spanish, to serve the small fraction of transgender activists who flaunt their brightly-colored trans-wardrobed transgendered selves at library with regularity.
Trans (e.g. homosexuals) were always tolerated as individuals, but rarely celebrated for a behavioral choice that has no redeeming value to either society or humanity. Transsocials have always been disruptive and liberals have become progressively wary of the risks and displacement they have forced. Can they abort the fetus, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon, and have her, too? Maybe, baby, not.
There are people who do all the things that are done by the alphabet people, but they don’t spend their time telling everyone about it and trying to win praise.
These people are what the rest of us consider to be well-adjusted adults.
Those who base every detail of their lives as members of the alphabet tribe are simply narcissists.
The homos are tasked with resolving the same incongruities that evolved when liberals rationalized performing human rites with socially distancing abortionists using the fetus label and political congruence ("=") in the pursuit of political progress.
All are aberrational behavior some more than others
If we were serious about limiting social changes to not hurting people, we wouldn't legalize no-fault divorce.
Bengay? I don't get it. Did he smell of menthol?
That was probably the first domino
A lot of gay people don't buy into this notion that there is no such thing as biological gender or support the insistence that male to female transgender people should be granted entry to women's-only spaces without clothing,
To be fair, Andrew Sullivan was banging on about this a decade ago. No one in the corporate press gave him the time of day because to do so would endanger their narrative of LGBTQ solidarity.
In a slap fight between the gays and the trannies my money's on the ones with the longest fingernails.
Sorry gay guys.
Olson Johnson: back in the early and mid 90's, when I was still a nominally, non-Party member Blue Dog Democrat, soon to bail ship, I had dealings with the LGBTQ activist groups. The gay activist men were extremely influential and wealthy. The older ones barely got on with the lesbians; the younger ones had less of that hang-up. But all were united, even back then, in freezing out the transpeople. The trans activists who made it to the table were all older men and also seemingly not mentally stable, which isn't that rare in politics anyway.
Today, they're taking their revenge on gays and especially lesbians. And no professional gay or lesbian (or feminist) activist dare cross them out loud. I don't think Andrew Sullivan has ever been replaced in their movement.
The idea behind trans activism is that gay men should properly be "women" rather than (God Forbid) gay men.
The closet was your best friend, queers. The time is coming when the normies are going to be fed up with all this gay shit, and then you're going to wish there was a nice cozy closet to flee to.
Homos are bigendered in couplets. Sims entertain a heterosexual fetish of liberal conformance. Trans is equitable, and inclusive, if not politically convenient, congruent. Trans has a bloc theme under Diversity, thus the late term effort to socially distance and abort an engendered burden. For feminists, masculinists, too. Uranus has a dysfunctional orientation.
'According to queer theory, if you're a man who behaves in "unmasculine" ways or wears eyeliner you must be a woman inside, which I thought was regressive.... Saying that those superficial attributes are what make women women, and that any variation on the rough he-man stereotype means you're not a man, reinforces these rigid sex roles, and I thought we were supposed to be against those.'
Bingo. There's no bigger sexist than a supporter of gender ideology. All gay males are "really" trans females. All tomboys are really trans boys. They're not real girls, they're fake boys.
One wonders just how stupid you have to be to have bought this shit for the last decade
Sullivan indulged obama and this was the result
Homos and sims are bloc partners in the transgender spectrum under Diversity theory, the judgment and labels of liberal license. It's over.
From Ben's blog:
I Didn't Vote for Trump. So Why Do I Feel Hopeful?
https://benappel.substack.com/p/i-didnt-vote-for-donald-trump-so
What Trump Got Right
is behind the subscription wall, but if you like his stuff, consider subscribing.
"One benefit of the ultra woke trans movement is that it has made regular gay people appear to be normal in the minds of the conservative right wing."
Agreed. But what has it done to the minds of the liberal left wing? Delusions eventually give way to reality. What will that be like? Will any recriminations coming from the victims?
The liberal left is trapped in an operational loop, trying to reconcile social distancing homosexuals from simulants in the transgender spectrum. Only deference to the Pro-Choice religion in progressive sects calms their dissonant minds. Throw another baby on the barbie, they're done.
The left is trying to cope with forcing women to the back of the bus, throwing girls under the bus, and babies are a "burden" that can be Planned, sequestered in sanctuary states, to be replaced through immigration reform and DREAMers.
Democrats assed a law prohibiting discrimination for sexual orientation (e.g. homosexuality, pedophilia, etc). #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins All's fair in lust and abortion.
The libertarian right is considering the limits of liberalism. The conservative center is mitigating irrational progress. The left of center are going along, maybe. The left are divergent and authoritarian, a wicked ensemble, solution.
FJCK ALL DEM FAGGOTS
AMMIRITE?????
Sic em on the sickos, ann
Let's clear this trash off our streets starting TODAY
n.n said...
The left is trying to cope with forcing women to the back of the bus, throwing girls under the bus, and babies are a "burden" that can be Planned, sequestered in sanctuary states, to be replaced through immigration reform and DREAMers.
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I seen that porn. Sexxy AND violent... you like it ruff, huh?
They called him Bengay to his face
but HOLE behind his back...
You know what it looks like when they done punching HOLE, right? No, not his face... SILLY FAGGOTS thought the laws could protect them....
"Punch Harder... this one's ID says COHEN so he's likely a JEW FAGGOT too..."
Some kids have to eat what Mummy has dished up... FUCK DEM FAGGOTS... all of em!
Buy the book, boys
CHRISTMAS is coming and annie needs the commission. With meade in the house freeloading, those pensions from higher ed and the gubmint just don't cover the costs to house and feed her... and him. Two can't live as cheap as one when one of them has her hand in her purse... go figure.
annie raised two lil faggots...
no trans chidren tho. Her record is clean
Silly bitch
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