Trump delivered an ultimatum. The response was we don't want it to be an ultimatum.
October 4, 2025
"It remained unclear how soon any concrete steps to end the conflict might be taken, however."
Key line in "Israel Says It Will Work With Trump Gaza Plan; Hamas Says It Will Release Hostages/Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel was ready to work with the White House to end the war, but questions remain about Hamas’s future in Gaza and whether it will agree to disarm" (NYT).
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Return all the hostages.
Y'all shall bear witness ... I hereby promise to keep my promise to keep my promise to ...
Unconditional surrender has been shown to create a more long-lasting peace.
Abort the Hamasidols before they abort Israelis and human shields in Gaza. And Fatah, too.
Or relocate them to China where they can join their brothers and sisters in captivity, but with labor, environmental, and human arbitrage that sustains the welfare, Green, and abortion industrial complexes.
Follow Japan and Germany examples - uncoditional surrender only.
There is no "Hama's future in Gaza." There can be no future for Hamas, period. They will never surrender, but even if they were to disappear from the scene, the problem of a society engulfed in a death cult through decades of indoctrination will remain.
Another hudna.
Trump and Israel must demand more.
The Death Cult Hamas cannot be trusted.
Just like Leftists. They live for hatred, and hatred alone.
Hamas will not release the hostages.
The truth about Israel v the Death Cult can be found in this story. 3 min.
Good news. Eventually, though, there will be incidents, and the fighting will flare up again.
Hinder constructive political action and remove rational political actors from the scene until only the fanatics are left and you'll have a "death cult."
This is not the time to go wobbly, America.
But Trump's a faker and doesn't follow through, says Holman Jenkins at the Journal.
"The question is and always has been: Is Mr. Trump fundamentally unserious all the time or just some of the time?"
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-trump-kimmel-collusion-71ca8633
If I was Hamas I'd go to the negotiations and do a suicide bomb and take out some Israeli officials. Turn about is fair play.
Besides Isreal brags about regarding agreements as "scraps of paper" and will on abide by it as long as it gives them an advantage. They lie shamlessly.
And yet, we love them.
Israel has stopped the food flotilla and supposedly (who knows if its true) beat up Greta and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. No other country in the world can get away this crap. I did see IDF soldiers armed to the teeth waving around rifles and acting like tough guys. Pretty easy to do when the Floatilla is a bunch of unarmed civilians most of them over 60.
Thank God the world was watching or Isreal might have murdered them all and said it was "an accident".
no supplies on the flotilla, except hot air, the Labour faction in the Knesset, provides enough of that, why does Hamas yell Khaybar, because liquidating the Jews in Arabia, is their default means,
when you know about the foundation of islam, things become clearer,
of course, Hamas is just a corner office of the Brotherhood like their North African branches AQIM, AQAP in Arabia, and other such outfits, but yes the hudna is their key technique,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC_Byq_GRdw
“If I was Hamas I'd go to the negotiations and do a suicide bomb and take out some Israeli officials. Turn about is fair play.“
That would probably do more to create a permanent solution to the situation than most choices Hamas can make. It would create an atmosphere favorable for resolution.
Kai Akker said...
This is not the time to go wobbly, America.
We invited Hamas negotiators to settlement talks in Qatar and the Israelis tried to kill them. The israelis managed to kill their wives and children.
Either we knew about it and were complicit in absolute dishonor or we should be demanding whichever Israelis betrayed us to commit ritual seppeku.
We have burned so much American credibility on Israel's behalf already. Everything since October 7th has been a massive fuckup.
The entire world has turned against Israel and the US at this point over this issue. Israel is doing everything wrong here and we are acting stupidly because Israel owns congress.
Hamas should have been dead already. Israel soft pedaled the whole thing and just didn't have the ability to take Hamas out in time. Now it has drug on too long.
Josephbleau said...
“If I was Hamas I'd go to the negotiations and do a suicide bomb and take out some Israeli officials. Turn about is fair play.“
That would probably do more to create a permanent solution to the situation than most choices Hamas can make. It would create an atmosphere favorable for resolution.
Hamas has already earned death many times over.
Israel just can't hack it.
Western leadership is all talk and they just can't do what it takes. Hamas should have been wiped out within a few months of October 7th but Israel decided to drag this out. They knew they would be accused of Genocide so they should have made this a very short and very brutal elimination.
The first month after October 7th should have convinced Palestinians to drag Hamas out and throw them over the wall themselves. Israel decided to take it slow and "precise."
the precursors to hamas, murdered athletes at olympic stadium, killed american diplomats in Sudan, slaughtered civilians in airports, so really is this anything new,
the Qataris have given sanctuary to the Taliban, to Zarquawi, to Boko Haram the worst of the worst, while they receive the unearned privilege of owning sports franchises in Europe, they used the Spanish one to sponsor the Catalan secession,
either the Al thanis and related clans deserve an express beeper delivery or they don't, their other appendage the Union of Moslem Scholars issued the fatwas against coalition troops, in Iraq and Afghanistan,
The reason the "war" has lasted so long is because the IDF are gutless cowards. They didn't have the balls to into Gaza and fight with Hamas in their tunnels and kill them like soldiers. Instead, they bombed from the air, and slowly, very slowly, creeped into Gaza destroying buildings and killing old men, women, and kids.
When they weren't wiping out hospitals and churches, they wer sniping old men and women. And the big, tough, 'muricans loved it. "Waah, war is hell. We'uns always kill women and kids, that there is what wins wars".
Even when the Israelis kill Americans in the USS Liberty, the 'muricans apologize. "Sorry, Israel for us getting our American ship too close to your country. Here's another Billion dollars and our apology".
RCOCEAN II said...
The reason the "war" has lasted so long is because the IDF are gutless cowards. They didn't have the balls to into Gaza and fight with Hamas in their tunnels and kill them like soldiers. Instead, they bombed from the air, and slowly, very slowly, creeped into Gaza destroying buildings and killing old men, women, and kids.
That is garbage. No good combat leader will lead troops into an obvious death trap.
It is on the Palestinian people to evict Hamas. Once the Palestinian people side with Hamas they share the fate of Hamas. End of story.
Israel failed to convince the Palestinians to evict Hamas. That is on Israel.
The world should be united to end Hamas. Hamas is probably the worst group of people in modern history. Spending all of that aid money to build tunnels and get Palestinians killed on purpose is pure evil. The entire world should unite to make an example out of them remembered for generations. Anyone that sides with the continued existence of Hamas is wrong.
"It is on the Palestinian people to evict Hamas. Once the Palestinian people side with Hamas they share the fate of Hamas. End of story."
OK. How are "The Palestinian People" supposed to "evict Hamas"? Y'know the guys with guns. Especially if you're a 12 year old kid, or an 65 old woman?
Tell me.
This reminds me of the Allies dropping bombs on Dresden or and firebombing Dresden with old men, women, and kids and saying "If they don't like it, how about overthrowing Hitler?" Like some 12 y/o kid or 80 year old woman could've killed Hitler.
That's why men. Real men fight other men. Man to man. They leave old people, kids, and women out of it. People killing 12 y/o kids never won a single war in history.
But the Israelis and their American He-men supporters disagree. Sniping old women, starving kids, and murdering people in Churches is the path to victory.
Imagine Sherman or Grant - supposed "hard war" advocates killing old women and little southern kids, rather than fighting Johnson or Lee. Man to Man.
Remember dog-face Bill Maher saying how courageous the 911 terrorists were? Is the poisonous dwarf attacking the IDF as cowards ? Of course not.
Dropping bomb on Hiroshima only ended the war because the Emperor decided to end the war. What if the Hirohioto had been an asshole like Hitler, stalin, FDR, or Churchill and didn't care how many of his people died? The war would've gone on. No matter how many A-bombs. It would've only ended when GI's marched into Tokyo and killed the Japanese leaders.
Just like we only beat Nazi Germany by killing Hitler.
That's why all this killing of little kids, women, and old men is bullshit. They don't fight wars. And killing them isn't just a crime it accomplishes nothing. Unless you think the leaders are softhearted. which almost all of them are NOT.
But Yeah, "real muricans" are hard nosed tough guys. Who bomb and kill little kids. Cause thats what wins wars.
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