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Silver: Americans aren’t happy with anyone here. Just 27 percent approve of how congressional Democrats are handling the shutdown, according to a recent CBS/YouGov poll, versus 28 percent who approve of congressional Republicans and 32 percent of Trump. Many voters are aware that a shutdown is happening, but I don’t think they’re yet paying much attention to the details.... But the complication is that Democrats have two or maybe even three somewhat contradictory messages. Nominally, the shutdown is about health care, particularly extending Obamacare subsidies. But liberal commentators had a big debate over the shutdown beforehand in opinion articles. There was a consensus that they didn’t want to provide votes for the continuing resolution without extracting some concessions. But they weren’t in agreement as to why: health care in some cases, authoritarianism in others (and then I was on a lonely island advocating a tariff-focused shutdown).... I just find the whole thing strange, because this process is playing out almost entirely among political insiders, and then we’re trying to evaluate it based on polls of people who aren’t even in the target audience for that messaging. And if they were paying attention, I’m not sure that would be great for Democrats!...
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Democrat bad faith, malfeasance, anti-Americanism, anti-semitism gotta go!
then again silver (mark sanchez'd) the last election,
The fact that there were multiple "reasons" for the shutdown speaks to the insincerity of the thing.
The MSM always covers for the Democrats. They always frame the issue in a way that helps the D's or hurts the R's. Or just plain misleads people.
The Senate D's are shutting down the Government. Its not "The lawmakers" or "Congress". And they're not shuttting it down over "health care". They're shutting it down because they want blue states reimbursed for health care given to illegal aliens.
The democrats deny that, but never adjust their proposed bill to exclude reimbursements for illegals. They just call the R's who say this "liars".
And of course, the MSM gives us zero details about what is being shut down, who is being hurt, and by how much. If the R's had shutdown the government the MSM would be giving us non-stop stories about so-and-so's life being ruined by the shutdown.
we know nate pewter, like mark zandi are bad jokes
So, its all reported as some sort of weird political game. With a pragmatic "Which side will this help?" narrative. So who will blink first, the R's or the D's? It'll be depend on who's Rich donors are being hurt more. If the Rich donors of the R's in Agriculture or Defense contractors or whoever start getting hurt a lot -they'll cave. Same with the D's, only their rich donors have other interests. None of the senators give a damn about Federal workers or anyone else.
As has been said so many times before, their fear of the shutdown isn't the shutdown itself. It's that so many Americans might not only be oblivious to it, but might end up liking it that way.
If a government shuts down and there's nobody around to care, does it make a sound Nathan?
Hickenlooper lied. he stated that the Republicans are to blame for Obamacare.
Not ONE single R voted for ObamaCare back in 2010. NOT ONE.
That craptastic sandwich was forced upon our nation on a party line vote.
ObamaCare is 93% subsidized by tax payers.
It is wildly unpopular. Hardly anyone signed up for it.
usher in Covid! Another D-party scam.
During COVD - and the corrupt Biden regime opened-up ObamaCare to more affluent people.
Now the left are whining... that should be shut off.
Obamacare is a complete waste of money and it should be repealed.
The shutdown will hurt Republicans.
The shutdown really doesn't hurt anyone.
Democrats are winning the shutdown.
Polls don't matter. <--- (You are here).
https://www.semafor.com/article/10/09/2025/senate-republicans-mull-making-democrats-an-offer-in-shutdown-standoff so naturally,
FDR: The only thing we have to shut down is shutdown itself.
Nate is doing his bit to try and mitigate a bad situation/result. "these peasants are slow and really do not mean what they say."
I just find the whole thing strange, because this process is playing out almost entirely among political insiders...
I sense there's frustration that there use to be a media-wide script for these things that would ensure average Americans considered a shutdown to be a National Crisis: Footage of families showing up at national parks and unable to enter; a recipient of some version of welfare fretting over a delayed check, etc.
So far, because of the new, fractured media ecosystem, The Usual Narrative can't be imposed. It's frustrating to the information gatekeepers.
This is the point I've been making to my husband - that most people don't really care about the shutdown. His side of the argument is that they don't understand what the implications of a government shutdown are, but only care about what they're told - and of course the media still controls that narrative.
Pretty sure my husband has the right of it, which is depressing.
If there's a shutdown and a lot of federal workers are given permanent pink slips, will anyone notice? And most of this back and forth in the swamp is just inside baseball stuff.
Democrats debate a selfie-own.
The real villians in this are the Republican Senate Leadership. They refuse to get rid of filibuster for budget bills. They can pass tax cuts with a simple majority but funding the government requires 60 votes. So, we get endless budget battles or races to raise the debt ceiling. Stupid!
And the R Senate is just getting around to confirming hundreds of Trump nominees because it took the Republicans that long to finally do something. They've let Chuck Schumer slow roll (just like 2017) Trump nominees.
Of course when Biden was in office, these same Republicans allowed the D's to fast-track all his nominees.
The Dem's base, the ones that lost them the last election with their clowning around on gender and immigration demanded that they do something (anything). "Democracy is in peril! Hitler is in the White House! For God's Sake Do Something!" So they did something. Not clear what that something is, precisely, but it's something.
I suspect that the shutdown is motivated by the fear among the old guard that they will be tossed aside if they don't act tough. Schumer doesn't want to be Mitch McConnell.
Tell me the democrats are losing the shutdown without saying the democrats are losing the shutdown.
The lying Hickenlooper needs a swift kick in teh pooper…
He gotta go!
Ampersand said, "I suspect that the shutdown is motivated by the fear among the old guard that they will be tossed aside if they don't act tough."
You're not wrong. AOC would primary Schumer and win. They aren't in control. You can't say they're held hostage by the lunatic wing of their party because it's not a wing...they are the party now.
no it's jazz hands polis who is in charge,
Nice catch, Althouse. "Nobody won" is not what the winning side would say unless they were magnanimous. And... well, Democrats aren't known for their magnanimity.
"I suspect that the shutdown is motivated by the fear among the old guard that they will be tossed aside if they don't act tough."
Well you may be right, but why should i give chuck shumer an out? Isn't he in charge? The implication is somehow that "Good ol' Chuck" isn't one of those "crazies", he's being "forced" to do by AOC and whoever. I see no evidence that Chuck is "reasonable man" reluctantly shutting down the Government.
There are 53 R senators, In order to get the shutdown, 43 of the 47 D's went along with Chuck. Are they all afraid of being "primaried"? I don't think so. Just 7 of them "crossing the aisle" could've passed the budget.
Democrat shill says Democrats aren't losing. Meanwhile the cucks at National Review think Trump is losing. Sounds like moar winning to me.
The federal government doesn't really seem to do anything other than send out checks and stifle economic activity at every level. If it remains shut down for 6 months, the general populace may suddenly realize the truth. So one party Congress or the other will act to stop the shutdown and my prediction it is the cucks in GOP Senate caucus who do so.
Poor Nate, he can’t force himself to lie all the time and he can’t afford to be honest all the time.
His idea of a tariff shutdown is all wrong. No one is suffering and the shutdown will be over before there is any new data.
This shutdown has no goal other than keeping the soros croud from kicking Schumer’s ass one more time.
Peachy said...
Hickenlooper lied. he stated that the Republicans are to blame for Obamacare.
Not ONE single R voted for ObamaCare back in 2010. NOT ONE.
Obamneycare did get one Republican vote: John McCain.
It was also saved by John Roberts.
the lies come fast and furious, of course, mcconnell shut down the cruz filibuster in 2013,
Hegseth says US will host Qatari air force facility in Idaho ~ Fox News
Every single Democrat in Congress should’ve already had a post up by now about the Trump administration approving a Qatari air base inside the US.
RideSpaceMountain said...
As has been said so many times before, their fear of the shutdown isn't the shutdown itself. It's that so many Americans might not only be oblivious to it, but might end up liking it that way.
If a government shuts down and there's nobody around to care, does it make a sound Nathan?
10/10/25, 10:14 AM
Which is why Obama specifically targeted the national parks to be shut down - and had to bring in extra rangers to ensure people could not go in, and even barricade off various road-side viewing points.
The people must feel the pain (sic).
so, more big picture on this, if you’re the campaign manager for a candidate that’s behind the strategy is always the same- you have to DO something. The big risky move, the dead hooker story hours before the polls open, that stuff. As a party the Democrats know they are behind so…they DO something. It’s desperate, they know it might not work but weighing the risk reward the consequences don’t seem as dire, especially relative to an adverse Louisiana vs Callais decision looming, something that would sink their long term viability…
Obamneycare formerly Romneycare was a local product in a state laboratory favored for its experimental containment a la political congruence, abortive ideation, gender conversion therapy, Covid, etc. Forward!
Right now, the average prog is against the federal government, because of who leads it. They don't care that it is shutdown, because they think that means it hinders Trump (it doesn't). Conservatives don't care, because it opens opportunities to make necessary cuts, and certainly there is no reason to give into Democrat demands to overturn recently passed laws.
Yeah, it will take some real pain from those that need certain things from the part of government that is shutdown, which at the moment is a tiny minority. It will grow, but democratically, the majority wants this, because if it was anything else; it wouldn't be happening.
The RIFs begin today.
The real fun begins when Americans don’t even notice.
The most important thing in politics is not scoring political points?
Who said that?
"Kakistocracy said...
Hegseth says US will host Qatari air force facility in Idaho ~ Fox News
Every single Democrat in Congress should’ve already had a post up by now about the Trump administration approving a Qatari air base inside the US"
We've had "facilities" for a myriad of foreign air forces since at least WWII. Keep up.
USAF flew (perhaps still does) F-22s out of Qatar to cover the Persian Gulf. Perhaps the Donks could post about that.
Kakistocracy said...
Hegseth says US will host Qatari air force facility in Idaho ~ Fox News
Every single Democrat in Congress should’ve already had a post up by now about the Trump administration approving a Qatari air base inside the US.
Only democrat voters are stupid enough to think this is new or that this is what this retard thinks it is.
Reductions in Force is what I've been waiting for, and I'm glad to see them starting. I hope they proceed with gusto, and I'm betting the Democrats didn't expect they would start before the taxpayers were being dealt more pointed inconveniences - the kind that Obama handed out during his shutdown.
Not even close yet! trump has the record in histories of shutdowns 35 days. He loves em and most magas I know also ,you know lean and mean machine.
The third shutdown of Trump’s first term – and the longest in U.S. history – started Dec. 22, 2018, and lasted until Jan. 25, 2019, after Trump demanded $5.7 billion to build a wall along the United States-Mexico border. Democrats flatly refused to negotiate on border wall funding until the government reopened.(the one he said MEXICO is paying for(magas bought it)
That standoff stretched for 35 days, leading to the furlough of more than 350,000 federal workers and forcing 400,000 others to work without pay. Some food-safety inspections were temporarily stopped, trash piled up in national parks, federal landmarks and museums closed, and some airports shuttered checkpoints because of fewer Transportation Security Administration officers to screen passengers.
The shutdown ended only after Trump backed a bipartisan bill that contained none of the border wall funding he had demanded. trump TACO'ED on that one,he will do same here and agree yo extension of ACA premiums or call the NUCLEAR OPTION. I'll call on option 1.
Suddenly that bribe, er, plane that Qatar gave Trump is looking like incredibly good value for money. The big question is whether they've bought the whole of the US, or just Trump. Along with the bailout for Argentina and the defunding of everything domestically that doesn't benefit Trump and his family, is definitely America First.
Looking forward to a nice long shutdown, as the Dems demonstrate just how stupid they are.
The shutdown gives Trump the power to cut spending that he otherwise can't unilaterally cut. It also gives him the power to fire a bunch f Democrat Federal employees, which he's finally started taking advantage of.
No, the Democrats have no leverage, and can get nothing from this. It's delusional of them to "think" otherwise.
"Oh, we can't vote for a CR, because then they'll just do a recision". Dems: Go look at the "Inflation Reduction Act", passed with just Democrat votes. Go look at Obamacare, ditto.
You have repeatedly refused to work in good faith with the GOP, so now, you get nothing. No concessions, no deals. you vote for the CR because you want Trump to have to get a recession to cut spending. That's it
Remember that the Dems are the same people screaming that keeping tax rates the same as they have been for the past decade, including the entire Biden Administration, is giving away Billions to "the rich."
Achilles said...
"Obamneycare did get one Republican vote: John McCain."
You're thinking of the vote to repeal and replace it, which McCain famously and with predictable ostentation torpedoed with a dramatic Thumbs Down for the libtard media cameras.
Obamacare itself was shoved up America's ass in as partyline senate vote at midnight on Christmas eve without a single GOP member supporting it.
"the Senate moved rather quickly to pass the ACA – or ObamaCare – on Christmas Eve 2009 in a 60 – 39 vote"
The reason the vote was taken on Christmas Eve is because it was the last day before the congressional holiday recess. The November election saw Massachusetts select Republican Scott Brown to replace Dead Ted Kennedy who shit the bed in September. Brown had promised to vote against the bill, thereby denying the Democrat Party the 60th vote they needed to pass that piece of shit. Masshole governor Martha Coakley appointed reliable Party rodent Paul Kirk to be interim senator, thus giving the Despicable Party a 60th vote for their boondoggle if they could muster a vote before the Holiday recess. And of course there is one reason why they did it suddenly and sneakily at midnight on Christmas Eve, then ran like vermin... Because it was so popular, naturally!!!
Effigy Mounds National Monument is one of my usual walking places.
Last Tues (a week into the shutdown?) i thought;
"instead of my usual Tues place (Pikes Peak* State park);
let's check out the Marching Bears at Effigy!"
There were 3 cars at the trailhead (which is 3 more than usual),
so i drove past. The Main parking lot (Firepoint and Great Bear) was MORE crowded than usual for a Tues in the fall.
[as i understand it, the visitor center is the only thing closed]
My guess is: people were going there to see if it was open.
All of which means, the dems shutdown doesn't work very well when THEY aren't in charge.
Have any of YOU noticed the shutdown? if so, how?
Pike's Peak* yes, THAT Pike; but NO, Not THAT peak. This one's in Iowa
Reductions in Force is what I've been waiting for, and I'm glad to see them starting. I hope they proceed with gusto...
Seconded.
"Have any of YOU noticed the shutdown? if so, how?"
This is the (or "a", anyway) problem for the Democrats. The longer it goes on, with no apparent affect on the life of normal people, the sooner those normal people recognize that no- we don't need as much government as we're being taxed to provide.
Aggie said...
Reductions in Force is what I've been waiting for..
i humbly suggest, the the FIRST PLACE TO START with RIFs is:
District Judges.
They have lifetime appointments, but WHERE does it say they have lifetime salaries?
Oh, and OF COURSE a District Judge will rule that you CAN'T cut HIS salary. And that's where you say:
Mister District Judge has made his decision; now let him try to cash it
Rand Paul has a "six pennies plan"
https://www.paul.senate.gov/dr-rand-paul-introduces-six-penny-plan-to-balance-the-federal-budget-in-five-years-2/
the gist is: EVERY THING that is funded TODAY continues to get funding
BUT it Only gets 94% of what it's getting now.
if we did this, Would ANYONE notice the lack of Gov?
"Rand Paul has a "six pennies plan"
Yes, we really could balance the budget. It wouldn't even be the end of the world.
gilbar said...
Have any of YOU noticed the shutdown? if so, how?
Yes, the IRS is screwing us over, and the local Taxpayer Assistance Center is shut down, making it hard for us to fight back.
it sucks, but I'll put up with it in exchange for the shutdown and all the ways it's screwing the Dems
Greg The Class Traitor said...
Yes, the IRS is screwing us over, and the local Taxpayer Assistance Center is shut down, making it hard for us to fight back.
i'm sorry to hear that Greg..
as they say; If they're STILL taxing US, the government is NOT shut down.
again, sorry about the Taxpayer Assistance Center.
Shorter Silver: the great silent majority doesn't give a flying F-Word.
We now fully reside in the post-WW2 political era.
It became obvious that the Democrats had become selfish power-mad bullies with no higher purpose upon Trump's arrival in 2016. The Republicans then followed the pied-piper and former Democrat Donald Trump into becoming an alternate version of the same.
Take your pick between Statist Bully Party (D) or Statist Bully Party (R), but nothing else.
Honest Ds and Rs would work together for the common good, but none of them have any fear and both are swinging their arms wildly in hopes of hitting the others. We'll come out better after they work through their tantrums, but only if we don't destroy ourselves first.
Pleasantly plowing along here in our modest-sized Wisconsin city. It's our city hall officials who are destroying our little nirvana; the Feds have little presence beyond USPS and a military recruiting storefront.
The democrats' Fed shutdown action has as much impact upon our community as our local AWFLs' silly "No Kings Day" protests in front of local Walgreens. Photo stunts don't cause governmental policy actions.
Enigma, you can take your both-sides-ism and just stuff it.
Scaling back on the legally unconstitutional and pragmatically harmful size and scope of the federal government is very much in the public interest.
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