She is one of a raft of conservative female leaders right now who are building prominent careers and public-facing lives while emphasizing a particular message: telling young women to focus on getting married and starting a family, rather than having a public-facing life....
Oh, the contradiction! You advocated prioritizing home life, so what are you doing here? It feels so rude to confront the new widow like that. But perhaps the NYT feels it doesn't really count because it's talking about a whole "raft" of women.
There’s a long history of American women attempting to strike this balance. In her book “Right-Wing Women,” the feminist writer Andrea Dworkin recounts attending the National Women’s Conference in Houston in November 1977, as the fight over the Equal Rights Amendment raged. Nearby, Ms. Dworkin writes, the anti-feminist leader Phyllis Schlafly was holding her own counter convention. Ms. Dworkin describes Ms. Schlafly as “that rare woman of any ideological persuasion who really does see herself as one of the boys.”
“It is likely that her ambition is to use women as a constituency to effect entry into the upper echelon of right-wing male leadership,” writes Ms. Dworkin, some of whose books were reissued this year and have found a new audience among Gen Z readers.
Ms. Schlafly, meanwhile, argued that feminist leaders were teaching women to see themselves as victims. “Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness,” she wrote.
The “womanosphere,” a set of right-leaning podcasts targeting young women in a counterpart to the manosphere, is brimming with figures in the Schlafly mold....
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Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness.
Ain't that the truth, but apparently it's not obvious to many.
She is far from the first widow who has had to fill in for her husband. Or who have taken over the family business - my own mother did this. Its not yet obvious that she has some ambition to be influential in her own right.
Not news, and not a partisan topic. See the history of widows taking over elected positions all across the world. This includes dozens in the House and Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widow%27s_succession
Courage and conviction are rare commodities in Yew Nork Timesland. Is that what troubles them so?
Some things are done out of necessity and some choices grieving people make are highly atypical. I don’t recall any similar attacks on all the left wing women who took over for their dead spouse. No conversations about whether the move contradicted what they said before. No running to their political opposite to garner lengthy quotes. Nope.
But here’s the Old Gray Lady now giving the side-eye to Kirk’s widow, setting the tone for the rest of the DNC Media to follow. She hasn’t even buried her husband yet. Stay classy Lefties!
In tech it is typical for women to be "one of the boys", a role on a team, where it becomes immaterial that they are female. And, no doubt, other lines of work. Dworkin was evidently not used to collaborative work.
Another beautiful woman who will never be on the cover of Vogue.
Mrs. Kirk would have been very happy to continue her traditional role but for the fact that her husband was murdered in front of the whole world.
The NYT wants to whip up transtifa to make the Kirk children orphans.
The NYT should STFU.
I’m also skeptical of the framing in the block quote.
She is one of a raft of conservative female leaders right now who are building prominent careers
My understanding (not that I verified it) was she chose to be a stay at home mom and no part of that sentence actually describes her. Does NYT provide evidence to support that “building her career” statement?
“ We've received thousands [and] thousands of death threats," the COO of TPUSA wrote. "Charlie never complained about them or lived in fear."
"Our security detail, working with authorities, has thwarted dozens of serious threats, but he would never give up," he added. "He stared evil in the eye & tried to win them over."
New threats since Charlie’s death.
The Left should just admit that they want Mrs. Kirk dead.
Not for nothing, but Charlie Kirk married a woman five years older than he. Mrs. Charlie Kirk will be 37 in November. She also double majored in political science and international relations. She played basketball at the collegiate level. She was Miss Arizona USA and competed for Miss USA. She has a Juris Master degree and a doctorate in Christian leadership. She worked in modeling, acting, and as a casting director. She’s the CEO of Proclaim Streetwear and Bible in 365. She has a podcast, and as of this year, she was apparently working as a real estate agent.
All that to say that those spreading the lie that Charlie was some depraved misogynist who believed in denigrating women and needed some mousy wife at home to live under his boot, not only aren’t listening to his words but also aren’t looking at his life and the woman he chose to make a wife.
Did he believe in biblical gender roles? Yes, it seems like he did. Did he question whether young women should go to college? Yes, but he also questioned whether young people should go at all. Did he fall in love with and make a wife of a Christian woman who had her own life and degrees and accomplishments and even—gasp—made her own money? Yeah, seems like he did.
So can everyone just stop now?
Posted on X yesterday.
Stay at home moms don't literally stay at home, all the time. They just don't go to a place of employment, all day, every weekday. They have to juggle lots of time commitments that take them away from the house and children. Heck, the time commitments for each child clashes with the other children, and with the commitments for the house. Really a more challenging 'work' environment than the industrial-age 9-to-5 breadwinning man.
So giving speeches is one more brief out-of-the-house commitment for a full-time mom. The speeches can be planned around the known commitments for each kid. Modern technology helps: she can have planning meetings over the internet from home or in the supermarket, etc. Money certainly helps: she can hire caregivers and cleaners. And the community of believers helps: she will have lots of people who pitch in.
Saying "what are you doing on that podium? You should be taking care of your kids?" makes about as much sense as "why are you vacuuming? You should be nursing your baby." CC - JSM
Rafts are vessels without the capability to steer their own direction. I see what the NYT is doing there.
So, nothing about Jill Biden taking over the Presidency?
I refuse to get suckered into another feminism debate, Althouse.
Mike mjb... "giving the side-eye to Kirk’s widow"
Didn't you mean the stink-eye?
Ms. Kirk's security detail will surely see to it she never gets hit with a pie.
I wasn’t aware prioritizing meant only doing one thing.
Keep women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable?
NYT has a disparaging, Diversitist view of the female sex.
The NYT is thinking of the Raft of the Medusa.
NYT is publishing their insidious homage to the boat man crossing the river Styx. Left-wing ideologues are infamous for entertaining abortive ideation.
Right-wing ideology is libertarian, not liberal. Conservative ideology only remarks on our social contract with our [unPlanned] Posterity. Left-wing ideology is deeply embedded in bloc ideologies (e.g. sexism, racism). NYT is livid about womem not sharing responsibility in 40 trillion dollars of debt in "affordable Healthcare", and displacing novel revenue sources in immigration reform.
Keep women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable, the "burden" of evidence sequestered in sanctuary states, the womb farms open to include transgender male couplets, and girls to pedophiles.... no discrimination for sexual orientation under Democratic law. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins
Erika Kirk is a different issue than what the NYT's is trying to lump her into.
Erika is a Widow who saw her Husband murdered in front of her and her 2 children by a virulent and nasty movement and she is by all appearances not looking to be as nice as Charlie was.
The NYT's on the other hand wants to focus on some who I personally would consider grifters.
Andrew Wilson addresses this issue here.
Also here but less directly.
There is a lot of covert feminism from the "women on the right" that is being burned out of the party. They were mostly picked for their looks and they don't do well when challenged.
From Proverbs 31:
"10 A good wife who can find? ...
11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life.
13 She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands.
14 She is like the ships of the merchant, she brings her food from afar."
In those times, every woman was a career woman. (The fact that they were almost all doing largely the same thing is irrelevant - so were the men.) The blip of time in which it's been possible for a non-wealthy woman to be a "lady of leisure" - well, unfortunately that blip of time has had an outside influence on media images, but in terms of gender roles, it's insignificant.
Sorry, outSIZE.
"Feminism debate"
It's really not a debate anymore, is it?
"...It feels so rude to confront the new widow like that...."
When it comes to reporting the news and delivering insights into the human condition, rudeness is pretty much the only genuine thing the NYT has to offer.
Kimmel is a leftwing man.
Media wont say so.
Big reveal that the media are radical leftism.
Media(D) they never call anyone leftwing.
NYT is anti-feminist in its media stance regarding most societal issues. Trans Movement is fundamentally anti cis-gender women. LGBTQX is essentially anti cis-gender women. Most progressive liberal policy talking-points are furtively anti cis-gender women. Irrefutable truth is women are mostly responsible for running of their home's household activities, for day-to-day raising of household's children, for most interactions with their children's schools and supervision of daily homework and extracurricular activities, often required to juggle both these three primary work-assignments as well as maintain full-time employment. Their husbands often have perfunctory responsibility for those household roles, even if self-defined progressive liberal.
Erika Kirk as widow and mother is also now only wage-earner in her household. This cis-gender woman has been robbed of her husband, robbed of her financial security, and NYT already wants to paint her as bad person. Shame on NYT.
The New York Times - Leftist zit.
"The blip of time in which it's been possible for a non-wealthy woman to be a "lady of leisure" - well, unfortunately that blip of time has had an outside influence on media images, but in terms of gender roles, it's insignificant."
Yeah there is an odd idea that a Stay-at-home wife would sit around looking prim and pretty, painting watercolors, and occasionally baking a batch of cookies. A lot of it was this focus on "paid labor" when realistically for a family to work both the husband and wife need to do work that adds value to the family whether it is paid or not.
"But perhaps the NYT feels it doesn't really count because it's talking about a whole "raft" of women."
At least they didn't talk about "binders."
In regards to Kimmel, for major media and TV networks, ratings ultimately prevail over their corporate progressive liberal values. Kimmel was sidelined for his poor ratings, coupled with local affiliate stations disliking his show in general. Ultimately, the SIlent Majority is still the majority customer-base for most American corporations. Just like Bud Lite, just like Cracker Barrel, corporations apparently must be reminded of the hard lesson that their disdained customer-base still can walk-away from products whose companies provide a crappy disrespectful message to their middle-brow customers.
Kimmel is not funny. His smug, often disdainful sense of "humor" is too often not funny except to a narrow band of audience members, unmarketable in most media marketplaces outside of west and east coast liberal viewership, and no longer a profitable product to continue to produce and market.
Charlie Kirk told other TPUSA executives that he wanted Erika to take over the organization upon his death. I'm guessing he and Erika discussed this at length.
"Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness."
It's not intended to be. It's intended to be a weapon to manipulate and bully people who disagree with you. When did anyone ever promise happiness?
Leftwing NYT - Her name should not come out of your f*ing mouths.
thats how I feel, but its a paper of pagans, demons and other strigoi
as the scorpion said to the frog 'its in their nature'
they don't know anyone who has any real courage, the determination to spread the Word, to save this Nation
Ms. Schlafly, meanwhile, argued that feminist leaders were teaching women to see themselves as victims. “Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness,” she wrote.
Well, Althouse, are you prepared to concede that Schlafly was right?
the Times could not misread anything more deeply if they tried,
"feminist leaders were teaching women to see themselves as victims."
I Dworkin's case, teaching women to see themselves as moons trapped in feminism's Jovian orbit.
I believe that the convention for lefty extremist publications (I lived near Washington, so I read the Post, not the Times) is to talk about the “courage” of the lefty woman taking over for her deceased Democrat politician spouse (C.f., Debbie Dingell).
look at Lisa Murkowski, who mimes all the right tropes, including skydragon worship,
why bother combing thru why the NYT is so offensive. They are Antifa writers.
one takes small doses like idocaine, but they have nothing positive to say,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/reflections-on-the-coming-days-of-rage/
At least Right Wing women show sympathy for grooming gang victims and female inmates housed with transgenders.
narciso's link.
"From the assassination of healthcare CEO Brian Thompson at the hands of a terrorist-turned-Left-wing-folk-hero, to the slaughter of Catholic schoolchildren at the hands of a demonic trans terrorist, to Charlie Kirk at the hands (allegedly) of a Left-radicalized young man (with a trans partner) who declared that “some hate can’t be negotiated out,” the Left has already declared war on the political opponents they deem to be fascist threats to democracy who must be exterminated like vermin (hence their dehumanizing rhetoric over the years since the reign of Barack Obama, intensified under Joe Biden)."
"In her book “Right-Wing Women,” the feminist writer Andrea Dworkin recounts" Progs really are incorrigible, aren't they? Conservative Kirk gets assassinated, his wife takes a larger role in a conservative organization, and who do you go to for expert opinion? Well, of all people, Andrea Effing Dworkin.
there has to be a stronger words that chutzpah, they awoke the demons that killed her husband, who threaten to destroy everyone who speaks truth,
couldn't they get someone like camille paglia, an iconoclast, it could be worse, they could have picked eve ensler,
@narciso, great link. We are currently in the "Bleeding Utah" stage of America's 2nd Civil War. The house is divided. When some transtifa musician writes "Tyler Robinson's Body" after he's executed by firing squad, expect a 'Sumpter Moment'.
"the Left by and large believes not only that such violence is acceptable, but that it is a necessary tactic to dismantle what they see as the fascistic, systemically white supremacist, Trump regime. Indeed, they believe violence, when they wage it, is a form of speech, while speech, when the Right exercises it, as Charlie Kirk did, is violence – against their designated, “oppressed” victim categories."
More from Narciso's link.
"Stay at home moms" have provided the energy for a lot of political movements through the years, and moving back and forth from home and family to work outside the home can provide needed perspective. Women were critical of men's tunnel vision focus on their jobs, but feminism has produced the same narrowness in professional women.
It is true that the liberal media applauded widows who were willing to step into their late husband's shoes. Lindy Boggs was a good example. The Dingells are an example of something else as well. They've occupied a House seat for almost a century now. The first John Dingell was a rough and tumble labor organizer. Debbie is a descendant of one of GM's "Body by Fisher" Brothers That's the history of the Democratic Party right there.
it is a Pagan threat, as Charlie's pastor Lucas Miles has pointed out, we know what Pharisees like David French have said, they have nothing to say, but lies,
The Times is the Font of lies, big and small, although the Bezos Post was competing in that arena,
since Bezos has forced out Khashoggi dirgiste Attiah, Jen Rubin, and a few others, they are right sizing to a degree,
You assassinate her husband who was providing for her vision of being a wife and mother.... Here comes vengeance, not to be mistaken for ambition.
One more advantage of the postmodern public trad mom: I'm certain the Kirks were going to homeschool their kids, so that liberates Mrs Kirk from the tyranny of the school run and having to keep her kids in one place. They can live on the road with her and dial into Khan Academy or whatever. Kind of like a stage family. I'm sure a lot of the lefty media-entertainment types are doing exactly the same thing with their kids. It was good enough for Judy Garland. CC, JSM
It’s the un-Christian Christian gag that only the most clueless and tone-deaf Prog even attempts anymore. So, yeah, the NYT.
Thatsgoingtoleavea: "Here comes vengeance, not to be mistaken for ambition."
Yes, the BBC yesterday had a still from her first speech after the murder. I don't think they intended this, but it happened to catch her, not in the grief-stricken look that (understandably) dominated most of the tape, but a gritted-teeth "I am going to get every single one of you people" expression. CC, JSM
Oh to have Dorothy Sayers respond to the NYT and its insistence on limiting woman and stereotyping conservative women. It so desperately wants to diminish conservative women and their complexities and accomplishments.
Read Sayers’ talk from 1938 “Are Women Human?” It is brilliantly straightforward.
https://iwpbooks.me/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/women.pdf
they didn't like Claire Boothe Luce, if memory served
Spiros said...
At least Right Wing women show sympathy for grooming gang victims and female inmates housed with transgendered rapists.
@Spiros, FIFY. And yes, right wing women show humanity. Left of center women, not so much.
History is rife with widows who stepped into the breach forced upon them to continue the mission that had drawn them to choose that man as their husband. For all the other factors, often joining in on something bigger can tip the scales for a woman choosing the man with whom to align her life.
The widow Clicquot took over her husband’s champagne business after he died. Only widows could have independent bank accounts. Hence she never remarried, as her new husband would have taken over. Veuve simply means widow.
I thought the New York Times crowd approved of women "having it all". So why the snark in goofy land? But, in the real world, men and women tend to do what they have to do--and the Widow Kirk takes on a role played by generations of widows before her.
Wait... what's the "Bleeding Utah" phase of the Civil War? Or was that supposed to be "Bleeding Kansas?"
"what's the 'Bleeding Utah' phase of the Civil War?"
It's the phase we're in now.
"Or was that supposed to be 'Bleeding Kansas?'"
It was not. "Bleeding Kansas" = V1.0, "Bleeding Utah" = V2.0
Of course the “stay at home mom” message contemplated a bread winning father. But why would the leftmediaswine at NYT take time out from their vileness to actually think.
Why every single leftist at the NYT is an asshole
Given the ongoing threats, I suspect the two discussed this.
Anne in Rockwell Texas +1. I was going to say much the same.
Anything women build careers on will run on feelings.
@Leora, thanks for the pointer to the comment by Anne in Rockwell, Texas.
Yes, strong men are not afraid to marry strong women (C.f., Meade). In fact, in my lengthy life (I’m almost 80) I’ve noted that when you meet a man who comes across as strong but his wife is weak, he’s putt g up the facade of a strong person — inside he’s inevitably weak and faking it.
The Left would much prefer that TP collapse..that it be headed up by some other white male, that the assassination fade into noise. Erika at the head kinda problematic to all that.
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