Michael Barbaro confronts Gavin Newsom, at 00:18:04, in today's episode of the NYT "Daily" podcast (audio and transcript, at Podscribe, here).
Newsom does not answer the question asked. He says a bunch of things, e.g., "People care about their kids and grandkids, or dare I say, people care about the constitution of the United States and the rule of law."
And good for Barbaro. He follows up: "It just occurs to me that the protests in L.A. were peaceful until they weren't, and in calling for more, potentially, protests, doesn't that necessarily invite more opportunities for violence?"
Newsom almost gets feisty. He begins with sarcastic snark: "Well, I guess we can all just go home and just watch this whole thing, whole extraordinary, you know" — and then he doesn't finish the sentence.
Maybe he was going to say "watch this whole extraordinary thing on TV" and then he doubted himself. Do people still watch TV? Should I say on TikTok??!
His voice softens, and then he sounds as though he's heard the plea of Rand Paul, who wants things to "be more highbrow and more of a intellectual discussion."
His voice softens, and then he sounds as though he's heard the plea of Rand Paul, who wants things to "be more highbrow and more of a intellectual discussion."
He says:
... you know, I said it, this endearing idea that our Founding Fathers, the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy, co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, the the rule of law, completely erode. I, that's an option. I mean, that's a choice. I'm not gonna make that choice. And I was calling for people that may think more like me to say, don't make that choice. And he wants you to make that choice. That the reason he threatened the arrest, the reason he so aggressive wants to defund California is we punch above our weight. We're the fourth largest economy in the world. We continue to thrive despite him. And his entire theory of his case is contradicted by our success and our resilience. He doesn't like the resistance coming from California. He doesn't like the fact that we've sued him 24 times. He doesn't like the fact that I push back. You can't work with him. You can only work for him. I've tried to work with him. My gosh, I, I did during COVID. I continue to try, but it's challenging. And so I want to challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way. And I we're seeing it across the country. It's not a novel theory to stand up and step up. It's a foundational constitutional theory that's been practiced for hundreds of years. And I don't want it to disappear.
But what are you going to do, after you "challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way," when they express themselves in violence, and they are doing it, vividly, in front of your eyes. Are you saying you'll stand back and watch, or will you use the power of government to impose peace?
I think this is another one of those 20/80 issues. Government is responsible for stopping the violence. Don't get caught on the 20 side, Governor. Is it even 20% of the people who support allowing violent protests to rage on until they burn themselves out? It's probably less than 20, even in the cities that voted for the government that hesitates to act.
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This week I learned right here amongst the Althousians, the number the lefties at the top of their pyramid care about, their number is 3.5 percent..the other 96.5 percent? fuck em…
Is that doge, that transition from the actual question to the rule of law fakery- does that seem smooth to anyone? I can’t even give it credit for being slick…
Meet the old scum, same as the…
Yearning for historical Democracy is the last bastion of American socialist progressives.
Yet you are apparently not concerned whether the government and Trump encourages the uses excessive force ("you spit, we hit") or escalates the situation by activating the National Guard (who at least have minimal training in crowd control) and the Marines (who have next to none) when both state and local officials have said they are not needed.
Your commenters are even worse. They are hoping that the Guard and Marines start using live rounds and have no problem when rubber bullets and tear gas are used indiscriminately on protesters.
And now Trump is threatening to arrest anyone who interferes with his precious fascist parade and is threatening to send the Guard (and active duty troops?) to cities that are not even having low levels of violent protests.
"...we've sued him 24 times". Followed by a stern warning.
"Because I can handle that. I just can't handle my city being torn us under. I can't handle my country being torn us under. I got four young kids. I have a a 15-year-old who quite literally came home from school crying. 'cause she was told on our last day of school, God is my witness, because she was told her daddy was getting arrested. Wow. And I said, honey, that doesn't matter. What matters is what's happening with the military out on the streets. I can handle that. I'll be fine. Wow. But I'm worried about you. I'm worried about this country. I'm worried about everything we've taken for granted and fought so hard for disappearing overnight."
Why are Democrats and Never Trumpers such liars and clowns. And they always pivot to their kids (if they have some). His 15 y/o was crying because "daddy was going to be arrested". LOL. Does any believe that, I mean other than gullible rubes?
Newsome's discussion of his conversations with Trump was incoherent. And his weird framing of the issues. To Newsom the problem isn't lawless rioters burning, looting, and attacking the police... no the problem is ICE agents enforcing the law and Trump sending in the NG to protect them.
of course gavin isn't serious, but then again neither is barbaro, you would think the results in 2020, would temper his stupidity,but hope springs eternal,
this insurgency, supportedly lavishly by ngos like chirla and other tendrils like those from neville singham's orbit is not spontaneous,
Freder is not concerned about Waymo's being set on fire, Nike and Apple stores being looted. Freder doesn't care if cops get hit with Molotov cocktails, so long as Trump takes the blame.
Again it needs to be repeated. The leaders of the Democrat party don't think we should have immigration laws. They think its wrong to deport anyone, and we shouldn't do anything to stop foreigners from coming here.
Elect Newsom President and he will let in 30 million illegals, and refuse to deport anyone. That's the truth.
And I wonder what situation that puts you in.
the situation is is OBVIOUS! INSURRECTION!
The "man" is engaging in INSURRECTION every bit as much as the Jan 6ers were.
Immediate Imprisonment! NO TRIAL! Solitary confinment!
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!
NO DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL!!!!
FOUR LEGS GOOD!! TWO LEGS BAD!!!
why does the Gaza Health Ministry, lie so extravagantly it's what they do,
But what are you going to do, after you "challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way,"
Gee, seems to me this is what happened on Jan 6.
And now, Trump isn't even bothering to claim that peaceful protest is permissible. All his rhetoric, and actions, over the last week has done nothing to try and de-escalate the situation. In fact, he seems to be deliberately escalating the situation.
And good for Barbaro.
Good?!? Given that he’s even peripherally associated with the New York Times it’s downright magnificent.
Is it even 20% of the people who support allowing violent protests to rage on until they burn themselves out? It's probably less than 20, even in the cities that voted for the government that hesitates to act.
My take is that Newsom is in a trap. He wants the 2028 nomination, and he wants it very much. I think you are right, Althouse, in your assessment that nationwide the issue is more like 90-10 agsinst him, but among the movers and shakers of the Democrat Party — and donors, don’t forget! — it’s probably more like 90-10 in favor of letting LA burn. After all, they let the cities burn in 2020 and it ushered in four years of Puddin’ Head Biden.
Since they will not change any of their hated policies, the Democrats have one and only one strategy...constant, pervasive protests designed to appear populist but also managed and supplied to include violence and destruction. They want the general population to tire of it and eventually want "normalcy" (i.e., Democrat governed to not enforce the law for preferred constituent groups). It worked before. They're trying a replay.
Seriously,
Saving Democracy REQUIRES that we lock this man up NOW!!
also..
SAVING DEMOCRACY REQUIRES THAT WE USE *ALL CAPS* !!
Did you See this?
We need more information on the pallets of bricks and rocks being delivered.
"Don't get caught on the 20 side, Governor." Why not? The 20% is his base. Lenin did more with less. They fancy themselves the vanguard, and they are.
Althouse said...
"Newsom does not answer the question asked. He says a bunch of things, e.g..."
People care about their kids and grandkids, or dare I say, people care about the constitution of the United States and the rule of law.
Newsom's use of the parenthetical self-correction reminded me of someone.
"And upon my discharge, I will evacuate, excuse me, ejac-u-tate my mind to the propolastic of the bowels of society.."
Fredder - It's not peaceful. And those who are protesting peacefully - are not a problem.
The masked flame throwers, arsonists, looters... are you saying "our lying eyes?"
@Freder
You don't have to sell me on Trump. I can't vote for him again.
"You can't work with him. You can only work for him. I've tried to work with him. My gosh, I, I did during COVID."
Sure, Gavin. Not only did you lock down schools, doctors' offices, and restaurants, but also beaches, bars, and churches (but not liquor stores). Your minions at the county and city level arrested and fined violators. Sure, you tried to work with Trump... if 'with' means 'against.'
Where was the concern for police brutality and over-reaction when the J6ers were protesting? I"ve never read a single Liberal/leftists who cared that Ashli Babbitt was murdered, or that her killer Lt. Byrd was never punished. And was pardoned by Biden before he left office.
And the same leftists complaining about "The NG was unneccessary and are sitting around doing nothing" said ZERO when 20,000 NG troops were sent to DC for 3 months in Jan-april 2021 to protect Joe Biden. In fact, very few on the internet who ever criticized it. Most on the Right just gave a dumb blank stare when it brought it up, and the Left would
shriek about "insurrection".
There should have been massive non-stop mockery and there was none.
Thank God, you're here freder. Otherwise the old Boomers would have nothing to say. LOL!
https://x.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1933026464066155004
Freder doesn't care if cops get hit with Molotov cocktails, so long as Trump takes the blame.
First of all, when was a cop hit with a Molotov Cocktail? And you don't care if reporters and peaceful protesters are beaten by cops on horses or hit in the head with rubber bullets and teargassed. You are making up hypotheticals about imagined injuries to law enforcement (if any responders have actually seriously injured provide me a link and I will apologize for calling you out on your bullshit), while ignoring actual injuries to real people.
"Is it even 20% of the people who support allowing violent protests to rage?"
we've Been Told, that the Magic Number; is 3.5%
IF 3.5% of people support the Democrat Party, democracy is SAVED
FUCK the other 96.5% !! GOD DAMN TRUMPSTERS!
Newsom is a loyal leftist cog. He cannot solve problems. He only blames.
this is where companera bass comes from, she has risen up the greasy pole, nearly become shamblings running mate,
Althouse asks Are you saying you'll stand back and watch?
Yes. Yes he's saying that explicitly and implicitly by doing nothing to quell the violence since it started. Instead, he's trolled Trump every day on Twitter and I lost count after about 200 Newsome Xes about Trump and Hegseth.
Compare “sanctuary city,” etc., Bass and Newsom’s statements with the provisions of 18 USC 2384, Seditious Conspiracy. Trump is the POTUS, not the government or the immigration laws.
Fredder said:
" escalates the situation by activating the National Guard (who at least have minimal training in crowd control) and the Marines (who have next to none) when both state and local officials have said they are not needed. "
Fredder? could you give us your opinion about the 101st Airborne?
When Orval Faubus, the Democrat Governor of Arkansas, said that Federal Troops weren't needed?
How'd you feel THEN?
Fredder - It's not peaceful. And those who are protesting peacefully - are not a problem.
You are really good at oxymorons (wasn't necessary and excessive force your gem?). Peaceful protests are fine, but all protesters are violent, so let God sort them out.
I'm in favor of letting LA burn. They keep voting for this leadership that doesn't care if building burns and businesses are looted. I know they are trying to get the riots to spread, and they are having some success in Washington State, but it is easy to see they are paying people to do this and inciting violence. Certainly in 90% of the rest of the country, this isn't happening, because nobody wants it to happen, nor will allow it if the <10% try. I proudly live a neighborhood over from where signs were posted after a hurricane, "you loot, we shoot".
Newsom's call for peaceful protest is too cute. We all know it's a call for chaos. Peaceful protest is great, but in this environment, it would be a magnet for bad actors. The margin between peaceful and chaos is too thin. It only take a few anarchists to start fires, break windows, block highways and then the looting starts.
There are plenty of ways to stand up to Trump, if that's what citizens want to do. Boycott, write letters, jam up the congressional phone lines or change your photo on social media.
Calling people to rally for a street protest is an invitation to riot. Somebody will make a mistake, then the war is on. It could be an innocent, a cop or a provocateur. Newsom knows this and wants it.
but it is easy to see they are paying people to do this and inciting violence.
This claim is ludicrous and you have absolutely zero evidence that anyone is getting paid to protests.
It doesn't even rise to the level of bullshit.
Freder (10:05): So are you asserting that police, ICE, etc., are responsible for the violence? If so, thank you.
Freder Frederson said...
Freder doesn't care if cops get hit with Molotov cocktails, so long as Trump takes the blame.
First of all, when was a cop hit with a Molotov Cocktail?
If you don't even know what is happening, why don't you shut-up about it. More here. Seems like you rather incite anger against Trump than actually be familiar with the events as they are happening.
"But what are you going to do, after you "challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way," when they express themselves in violence, and they are doing it, vividly, in front of your eyes."
You lie about what is happening in front of your eyes.
Oh, so he was working during Covid when he and other elites were dining sans masks at French Laundry, when they were arresting people surfing by themselves in the ocean??
OMG I just can't handle my city being torn us under.
Not sure at what point transcriptions was performed but this error is way worse (and funnier) than food getting a "bad wrap."
I mean did no human read that phrase "torn us under" and not question it? Now I keep reading it in a southern accent and think, yeah, people might think it just one of those phrases. For the record, for most of us, "torn asunder" is still a recognizable phrase, right?
https://x.com/just_mindy/status/1932974692102799392
catch and release doesn't work anywhere,
We need more information on the pallets of bricks and rocks being delivered.
Yeah, like if they exist at all or these rumors are just more bullshit.
Did you See this?
You do realize that any asshole with a smart phone can go on Tik Tok and claim any bullshit they want? Where's his proof? He has absolutely none. I always believe people ranting in their car, don't you?
"people care about the constitution of the United States and the rule of law."
Except immigration law, if he's to be believed.
we're not playing that game this time, when gascon was serving as devils advocate,
First of all, when was a cop hit with a Molotov Cocktail?
Did you even read the fucking link? It doesn't support your contention at all.
1. Newsom is careful to say what the Times & Chronicle say.
2. The rest of CA frets about their lawns and car washers.
Stand up / stand down etc. The Mayor told the LAPD to stand down and do nothing. The Governor tells lawbreakers to stand up to a sitting President. Sure seems like the Governor and the Mayor are inciting an Insurrection.
If Molotov Cocktails are being thrown, it doesn't matter whether or not a cop has been hit yet. Jeez.
I even watched the video Freder showing the act. I expected you to deny it, because the progressives are claiming it didn’t happen. People like you also claimed the videos of Biden one year ago were fake and that he was fine.
We're the fourth largest economy in the world
…a good place to insert the reminder- for the second time today, government spending counts towards GDP…the GDP of states, too…
"Freder Frederson said...
First of all, when was a cop hit with a Molotov Cocktail?
Did you even read the fucking link? It doesn't support your contention at all."
Freder thinks because the asshole missed "no harm no foul."
they spent on the train to nowhere, welfare hotels and every other boondoggle, they could think of
Americans need to understand that they're going to be allowed to protest only in ways that don't work. Only in ways that are limp and ineffectual.
People like Barack Obama understand that's not the path to power. Barack Obama announced his presidential candidacy in the home of domestic terrorist bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn in Chicago.
If you want power in America, you better be prepared to take it by force.
Freder, again with the disingenuity from the mud wallow. You go, girl. How many peacefully protesting US citizens have been arrested Freder? How many illegals? How many illegal criminals with warrants? You're up to speed on this - right?
'The rioting and looting never would have happened, if Trump hadn't sent the military to stop the rioting and looting.' Said Humpty Dumpty to Alice.
The most accurate description I've heard of Gavin Newsom went, "He's a marginally talented person--but a great BS artist."
The strategy of the left is to wear down law enforcement resources: forced overtime for days and weeks will degrade their performance and ability to sustain.
What the early intervention of National Guard and other federal resources do is act as force multipliers for LAPD. Much in the way the border wall allows a given number of Border Patrol to cover a wider swath of border, LAPD now has back-up. That's the real reason for the objection of Newsom and Bass to their early deployment.
Which means that any siege with have to last longer and be sustained, while those who're abetting them will become more prone to discovery and prosecution.
I even watched the video Freder showing the act.
Why do you care, you have already said you have already said your'e " in favor of letting LA burn". You should be stocking Peachy's pallets of bricks.
The NG and Marines are protecting ICE, and the detainees, btw. If they weren’t doing that, would MAGA civilians enter the fray to protect them? Is that what he wants?
The Soros left are so desperate - then must pay for "peaceful Protestors" -
Glossy Signs, Bricks, Rocks and Flames, included.
Freder: (if any responders have actually seriously injured provide me a link and I will apologize for calling you out on your bullshit)
Police officer hit in head with rock thrown from overpass.
its mostly not their money, but ours, in different ways,
If you don't even know what is happening, why don't you shut-up about it. More here.
That's not more, it is another story about the same incident.
You go, girl. How many peacefully protesting US citizens have been arrested Freder? How many illegals? How many illegal criminals with warrants? You're up to speed on this - right?
I honestly have no idea. But I bet you don't either or you would have provided a link for the answers.
I do know, that Trump's claim that they are only arresting criminals is bullshit. This was triggered by a raid on Home Depot parking lot, where people are just looking for day labor.
The fourth largest economy in the world, and the water and electricity don't work, and the schools are failing, and people are sleeping in the streets? So big an economy and so little to show for it? With all that money, why aren't you Finland or Denmark or Switzerland?
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I have a a 15-year-old who quite literally came home from school crying. 'cause she was told on our last day of school, God is my witness, because she was told her daddy was getting arrested.
"Quite literally." Either that girl is extremely immature, or Gav doesn't know how old his kids are, or he just made that story up.
Your commenters are even worse. They are hoping that the Guard and Marines start using live rounds
I make no apology for that. The Antifa scum were dropping cinder blocks and large rocks on cop cars from the freeway overpasses. That is attempted murder in every jurisdiction, even left-wing enemy shitholes like California. Each of them should have been shot dead on the spot.
Likewise with throwing Molotov cocktails at cops or into occupied buildings. Attempted murder, without question. Kill them, each and every one of them carrying or throwing a Molotov, without any warning at all.
Likewise with mobs of Antifa scum dragging passers-by out of their cars and beating them. Group attacks on individuals risk death or grievous bodily harm, and justify the use of deadly force in every jurisdiction. Kill them all on the spot. Use belt-fed machine guns if that's what it takes to stop the attacks by these filth.
have no problem when rubber bullets and tear gas are used indiscriminately on protesters.
Indiscriminately used on peaceful non-violent protesters who are not blocking traffic or committing vandalism? I do have a problem with that.
Discriminately used on violent rioters who are trashing the private property of others, and committing assault and arson, and kidnapping motorists by blocking them in their cars? No problem at all. Shoot them with as many rubber bullets as necessary to make them stop. Gas the whole crowd if that's the only way to stop the attacks.
The vast majority of Americans agree. This is another one of those 80/20 issues that the suicidally stupid and evil Democrats have chosen the wrong side on.
Police officer hit in head with rock thrown from overpass.
I said "seriously injured". I am not defending the rock throwers (they absolutely should not be throwing rocks and should be arrested and prosecuted). I am objecting to you exaggerating the level of violence as an excuse for the responders to react with excessive force.
"But I bet you don't either or you would have provided a link for the answers."
How much would you bet? If you want another student to do your homework, there are fees involved.
"I said "seriously injured"."
Again, it's not violence until it succeeds.
The Dems believe that Trump is going to get blamed. They have placed themselves in the first Trump “stint” in the White House. “Stint” that’s how a BBC reporter referred to the first Trump time in the White House. The Dems have not reconsidered their positions after the Trump win. It’s quite remarkable.
How much would you bet? If you want another student to do your homework, there are fees involved.
You raised the issue. Why should I be responsible for finding out if you are full of shit or not?
Indiscriminately used on peaceful non-violent protesters who are not blocking traffic or committing vandalism?
So blocking traffic justifies the use of rubber bullets and tear gas?
"I do know, that Trump's claim that they are only arresting criminals is bullshit. This was triggered by a raid on Home Depot parking lot, where people are just looking for day labor."
Illegals looking for work. The administration has been explicit from day one that any and all illegal aliens will be deported.
The State of CA and the City of LA are funding the riots through DNC NGOs. The taxpayers of the state and city are funding these attacks on ICE for enforcing immigration law. The Cartels own CA. CA and LA pols are protecting cartel soldiers from arrest and prosecution.
He won't acknowledge the facts. It's a wasted effort. He won't even go to Craigslist and read the job posting "$1600 to 12,400 per week" to protest in LA by CHIRLA. The guys making videos (I saw) were mostly unhappy they only got $600 for the weekend riot than $1600 like the ad said. It's funny because they expected a commie group to actually pay the given rate.
"So blocking traffic justifies the use of rubber bullets and tear gas?"
How else are you going to get them to move?
Freder, you are uncommonly eunuch-eek this morning.
Rhetorically waving your flaccid dick amuses us all.
"I am not defending the rock throwers (they absolutely should not be throwing rocks and should be arrested and prosecuted)."
And how do you propose they be arrested?
"Don't get caught on the 20 side, Governor."
He's already gotten caught in the 20 side. He totally fell in that trap the minute that he sued to have the National Guard removed instead of calling up even more National Guard for himself to combat the violence.
One of the biggest problems that Democrat politicians face is that their base won't let them support the "80" policies. If a Democrat tries to do that, the far-left base will pull a David Hogg and try to primary them.
What's the point of even discussing this stuff anymore?
If the left cannot have an organic Trump-Hate - Immigration and Customs-Hate riot - they will pay for it.
the Soros Family money well runs deep.
It's very clear that the mask wearing Antifa thugs - as soon as they are done burning things - they hide like cowards in the arms of the loyal and peaceful crowd.
RCOCEAN II quoting somebody who said...
"...But I'm worried about you. I'm worried about this country. I'm worried about everything we've taken for granted and fought so hard for disappearing overnight."
Sounds like a person who voted for Trump for the first time.
"CHIRLA"
And where did CHIRLA get the money to pay people for this fake protest, you ask? They got the money from House Republicans. House Republicans passed the budget that gave the money to USAID and USAID gave the money to CHIRLA.
Without these funds, there'd be no fake protests.
More rubber bullets, particularly the 40mm variety that shatter ribs and dislodge teeth! Those 12-gauge bean-bag shells are for pussies.
In Japan they spray rioters with indelible blue dye making the perps easily ID'ed and arrested days later. We need some of that as well.
So blocking traffic justifies the use of rubber bullets and tear gas?
Indeed it does, plus arrest and prosecution for felony kidnapping.
"Why should I be responsible for finding out if.... "
You're in no danger of being thought of as 'responsible' Freder. No one's doing your homework for you. Take the test on your own. Looks like you'll be graduating in Joe Biden territory.
He won't acknowledge the facts. It's a wasted effort. He won't even go to Craigslist and read the job posting "$1600 to 12,400 per week" to protest in LA by CHIRLA. The guys making videos (I saw) were mostly unhappy they only got $600 for the weekend riot than $1600 like the ad said. It's funny because they expected a commie group to actually pay the given rate.
You are extremely gullible aren't you? How many times have you signed up for a multi-level marketing scheme believing you are going to make $200,000 a month. I bet you have a degree from Trump University (although you were probably bummed that Trump himself didn't teach a few classes)
Guess what, dumbass, just like anybody can post any lie on Tik Tok, Craigslist is notoriously bad at screening their ads.
The State of CA and the City of LA are funding the riots through DNC NGOs. The taxpayers of the state and city are funding these attacks on ICE for enforcing immigration law. The Cartels own CA. CA and LA pols are protecting cartel soldiers from arrest and prosecution.
He says without a shred of evidence.
Illegals looking for work. The administration has been explicit from day one that any and all illegal aliens will be deported.
Illegals looking for work. The administration has been explicit from day one that any and all illegal aliens will be deported.
They have been far from explicit on that point. Some days it is all of them, the next day is we only are deporting the criminals. Being undocumented is a civil matter, not criminal, so it is bullshit to say that everyone who is in this country without proper documentation or an expired visa is a criminal.
Freder Frederson said...
Today's official far-left talking points.
They were looking for a specific illegal alien who had been convicted of multiple violent crimes and was a fugitive from justice. Too bad for the other criminals who happened to be associating with him, but they have to go too. All of them have to go.
I voted for this, proudly so, and would again. Freder and his ilk should keep in mind that installing Trump is the NICE way to take care of necessary business.
We'll vote for someone much worse than Trump next time, or take even more drastic steps than that, if that is what it takes to liberate this country from the leftist enemies of humanity.
"I am not defending the rock throwers (they absolutely should not be throwing rocks and should be arrested and prosecuted)."
Original Mike responded...
"And how do you propose they be arrested?"
Well, clearly they should be given a link to an app where they can register (ie, turn themselves in) for a court date a decade in the future.
Well, I did go to the CHIRLA website and it says it does not have any current job openings at all, especially ones that pay $83,000 to $644,800 per year.
"Being undocumented is a civil matter, not criminal, so it is bullshit to say that everyone who is in this country without proper documentation or an expired visa is a criminal."
Semantics. They are breaking the law by living here. The legal remedy is for them to leave; either on their own or by deportation.
What is your proposal for addressing their illegal actions?
The State of CA and the City of LA are funding the riots through DNC NGOs. The taxpayers of the state and city are funding these attacks on ICE for enforcing immigration law.
I suspect that a dollar-by-dollar audit of these funds would show that you and I and the taxpayers of every single state funded these riots via grants from USAID and other Federal government agencies formerly captured by the Left. Their destruction is probably going to be Trump's greatest contribution to the total extirpation of the left-wing cancer.
I hope RICO prosecutions, enormous fines and disgorgements, and lengthy prison terms for the likes of Marc Elias and George Soros are coming next.
Trump is not going to wait until enough police are seriously enough injured for Govenor Newscum and Freder to admit that something bad is happening. He's sending in troops to defend the police and ICE before they're murdered, not after. Trump isn't going to wait for the LA Times to do a Jake Tapper three years from now on how It missed the story of the anarchist attempt to run LA; and how sorry it is didn't tell the facts about the looting of stores or the other story of the rocks, bottles, fireworks and Molotov cocktails thrown at police who were ordered by the mayor to stand there and take it, who were sent no help. And how it missed the story of how the riots were partially funded by California taxpayers money which went to NGOs which helped organize the riots and endanger the police. And how generally it missed all the facts and how sorry it is. And with any luck, the LA Times will win a Pulitizer for exposing its incompetence, that is to say, for exposing what it is doing right now. It's good to be a lefty in the Hotel California.
Randomizer said...
"Newsom's call for peaceful protest is too cute. We all know it's a call for chaos."
I actually think that Newsome would prefer if the violence were substantially reduces because then he could claim that he actually stopped it. (With a little help from Dippity-Do.)
But he also wants a certian level of violence because he think that he can blame Trump for that.
Basically, he wants to have his cake and eat it too. (Which is what all politicians want.) He wants just the right amount of violence.
Let's try that again. Freder spewed the following crap:
I do know, that Trump's claim that they are only arresting criminals is bullshit. This was triggered by a raid on Home Depot parking lot, where people are just looking for day labor.
They were looking for a specific illegal alien who had been convicted of multiple violent crimes and was a fugitive from justice. Too bad for the other criminals who happened to be associating with him, but they have to go too. All of them have to go.
I voted for this, proudly so, and would again. Freder and his ilk should keep in mind that installing Trump is the NICE way to take care of necessary business.
We'll vote for someone much worse than Trump next time, or take even more drastic steps than that, if that is what it takes to liberate this country from the leftist enemies of humanity.
Today's official far-left talking points.
Can you give me a link to George Soros' website say I can get paid.
Never mind I'll just go on craigslist and sign up. Or maybe will call me out of the blue and offer me $200 a day to protest. Maybe I should start answering those calls that are labelled as "potential spam", although most of them just want to offer me a loan or claim that a credit card I don't even have has been used thousands of miles away.
Second Leland:I'm in favor of letting LA burn
Watched the 13 min not-slick unedited video shared by Matt Taibbi of Racket News...these are people verrrrry comfortable with and accustomed to destruction. Once again, Trump is most useful at shining a light on our depraved leftists who are running roughshod over every institution in our society. Had no idea before now how widespread and mainstream the Reconquista had become. LA making that crystal clear. Let these Orcs try to rebuild and govern themselves. I wouldn't lift a finger.
LOL there was NOT a raid on the Home Depot in LA. Yes a councilcritter did call that in because he was a dumbass who didn't realize ICE has their HQ across the street from Home Depot in LA. Here we are on Day 5 of their hissy fit and people here are still debating the mythical "Home Depot raid"?
They were looking for a specific illegal alien who had been convicted of multiple violent crimes and was a fugitive from justice.
If you are claiming this, it must be true. I apologize profusely.
FWIW my Black and Hispanic friends here in Las Vegas are just fine with the deportations. In fact, my Native American friend says that as far as she's concerned we can all go the fuck back where we came from.
Mike and Hassayamper need to get together and get their stories straight. There was no raid on Home Depot, but there was because they were looking for a specific person and also arrested the persons associating with him. Which is it?
I will apologize for calling you out on your bullshit
The funny part is you think I desire your apology. I'm happy you are here, so I don't have to claim you exist. You did the heavy lifting in justifying Trump's actions. Althouse's initial post was a warning to the Governor, but it applied to you too, and you ignored it.
I am glad Freder continues to put up this fight. Keep defending the foreign invaders waving Mexican flags and burning shit Freder.
Please.
I hope democrats keep this up for the next 3 years. Then we will finally elect a president who will do what needed to be done in the first place.
Trump is way too soft with these people.
Gee CHIRLA's web site didn't say nothing. It also won't list their $500,000 donation to Newsome's campaign. Or the fact $34M in funding came directly from State of CA after that. We'll see. The FBI has already rolled up the crew handing out face shields and bats. The bricks mystery will be solved soon.
Nice to hear you've come around, Original Mike.
I've been trying to publicize lectist tactics for organized vuolence and anarchy for 30 years. I really fucking give up. So do most of my police friends. We're all just looking for safer places to live out the remainder of our lives now. None of you did anything when it mattered.
"Can you give me a link to George Soros' website say I can get paid....."
"If you are claiming this, it must be true. I apologize profusely. ..."
Not only does Freder demand that we do his homework for him, he follows up with demands that we supply him with a free paycheck While-U-Wait.
And if you don't, he'll stamp his foot until it shakes the ribbon out of his hair. Laziest insurrectionist evah.
Freder Frederson: The protests are 100% peaceful
The protests might have a few bad actors but Trump is bad.
The riots are not violent.
The violence isn't bad.
The molotov cocktail missed
The rock to the head wasn't that bad.
The truth has no bearing with FF.
FF is a tool, a useful idiot at best.
I've tried to work with him. My gosh, I, I did during COVID.
What did Newsom try to do during COVID that Trump pushed back on??
"It's not peaceful. And those who are protesting peacefully - are not a problem."
This isn't really accurate- the peaceful protestors are part of the problem as they give shield to the violent ones, April Apple. If I were at a protest where even one of my side started throwing dangerous projectiles or performing arson, I would immediately leave. As a peaceful protestor one has a moral and legal responsibility to do nothing to abet such violence.
Newsomnia progresses with a Pelosi-rrection aided and abetted by special and peculiar domestic and alien interests.
Guys, you are wasting your time trying to convince Fredo Frederson with evidence. It isn't even that Fredo is stunningly dishonest in debate by playing stupid- Fredo really is as stupid as he seems.
Meanwhile, Bass strums while LA burns and burns again with Democratic principals.
I do care about this. That's a great arrest. (missed a closed quote)
"Freder Frederson said...
"So blocking traffic justifies the use of rubber bullets and tear gas?"
100%! It also justifies dropping a gear and powering through. Stopping cars, pounding on windows, etc. is a deadly threat. Doesn't matter if it's a LEO or private party.
"It's not peaceful. And those who are protesting peacefully - are not a problem."
If they're out after curfew, they are no longer protesting peacefully.
I do care about this. That's a great arrest. (missed a closed quote)
…now that’s a cause for optimism. Only a few rattles up from the head of the snake but directionally correct…
…focus on the Craigslist boys isn’t progress…
You are making up hypotheticals about imagined injuries to law enforcement (if any responders have actually seriously injured provide me a link and I will apologize for calling you out on your bullshit),
Well, according to the LA Police Department, seven officers have been injured since Saturday. KTLA, a Los Angeles local news channel, reported three days ago that "some of those protests turned violent, with... rocks and other debris thrown at law enforcement... five LAPD officers were hurt in the chaos... [and] six CHP officers were also hurt." Fox News reported that "violence had taken place by the end of the day Friday and continued into the weekend, resulting in law enforcement officers being injured and attacked with projectiles and fireworks." They also noted that five police horses had also been injured. The NY Post reports that one protestor (an illegal, FWIW), has been charged with attempted murder for throwing a homemade bomb at a police line.
I will expect your apology any time now.
I always believe people ranting in their car, don't you?
As opposed to people ranting on-line in the comments??
Freder: I said "seriously injured". I am not defending the rock throwers (they absolutely should not be throwing rocks and should be arrested and prosecuted).
God but you are predictable. The rock throwers absolutely intended serious injury — slightly different impact and that officer loses an eye, or suffers traumatic brain injury. But because that luckily didn't happen, it suddenly doesn't count?
You lefties sure do love your violence, don't you?
Oh, and you owe us an apology.
So blocking traffic justifies the use of rubber bullets and tear gas?
Absolutely. How many people's days got rubbished in that traffic jam? And I don't mean just delayed, but missed something important. How many lost wages? How many more times do you want highways and streets blocked?
Rubber bullets, absolutely. And blue dye, dispensed from a helicopter carrying one of those forest fire water dispensers, would be fun as hell to watch.
There was this purple Grimace chick that chained herself to some concrete thing to stop traffic in Boston a number of years ago. Even in communist Boston that was NOT the thing to do. She thought it was an easy pay day but I think she still gets hounded…
What's the logic to "protesting" by blocking traffic? What does that accomplish?
fredder regurgitates:
"Being undocumented is a civil matter, not criminal."
NO. If you crossed into our nation illegally - you broke the law.
Sinister George Soros anti-ICE 'plot' emerges amid LA riots... as 'paid' foreign agitators are finally exposed
As seen on X:
"Every Democrat just riots now. Even at press conferences.
The first plank of their party platform is very simple:
“A riot in every pot.”"
LOL. Too tru.
"But what are you going to do, after you "challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way," when they express themselves in violence, and they are doing it, vividly, in front of your eyes."
Gandhi said that you go home - you're not ready yet if you can't keep the peace.
Wait...if the police -- who are controlled by city, county and state authorities -- are the ones violently breaking up peaceful demonstrations how is that the National Guard or Trump's fault?
These riots are not organic protest
Freder Frederson:
Please show us the photos and videos of the National Guard or the Marines interacting with the "Peaceful Protestors."
There is not a single incident of the troops sent in by Trump using force, even if justified!
Yet you are apparently not concerned...
... about anything you have to say.
You're a fifth-column POS. You always have been. You always will be.
@Original Mike, that's a very big deal. "A recent review of the California Democratic Party's May 2025 expense report has uncovered a significant and controversial expenditure: the purchase of 200 pallets of construction-grade bricks. ..."
If the Democratic Party has been bought 200 pallets of bricks, and has taken delivery of them for 'future projects', then it's AG investigation time. It's now a traceable transaction. Where were the bricks delivered, and more importantly, where are they right now, since they're for 'future projects'? I know of 'absolutely nobody' that lays in construction supplies in advance of a project being sanctioned by a board of executive management, and having a budget and working construction estimate. And I've never heard of a construction project where the finishing materials are purchased and delivered before ground is broken and the structure is in place.
"In response to the controversy, the California Democratic Party has stated that the brick purchase was intended for future infrastructure projects."
Yeah, LOL. When I had my chimney rebuilt, the contractor bought the bricks, not me.
"What's the logic to "protesting" by blocking traffic? What does that accomplish?"
It's making the statement "I will continue to make your life difficult until you choose to give me what I want" (see: Four-year-olds throwing a tantrum in the check-out line at the market in order to get a candy bar.)
Some people stop developing emotionally and intellectually around that age and grow up (well- they get bigger, anyway) to be Democrats.
“ But what are you going to do, after you "challenge people to express themselves in a peaceful way,"Gee, seems to me this is what happened on Jan 6.”
And why wasn’t the National Guard there? I think it was because the Democrats in Congress failed to ask for it and Trump deferred to them. Now Trump is saying he was wrong and he ought to have called the National Guard out on his own. So which side are you on there? Do you think the national guard should’ve been called out for January 6?
I think there should be adequate law enforcement so that oversized protests are controlled when they spill over into violence.
You seem to want to call out inconsistency, so state your position in a way that is consistent. I think I’m being consistent. I support protests — there’s a right to protest — and everyone is entitled to have the peace preserved. I don’t see how you can do anything but agree with me, but go ahead and attempt to disagree. You seem to want to, but I don’t get it
"You seem to want to, but I don’t get it."
Freder wants to say "It's okay when my side is violent but not yours."
Everybody here knows this.
Senator Alex Padilla (D-Densa) thrown to the ground and handcuffed:
https://x.com/MAGAVoice/status/1933229411073208406
Newsome says people have the right to peaceful protest yet he sent state agents after people peacefully protesting his state's draconian covid policies!
Freder is not concerned about Waymo's being set on fire, Nike and Apple stores being looted. Freder doesn't care if cops get hit with Molotov cocktails, so long as Trump takes the blame. is not concerned about Waymo's being set on fire, Nike and Apple stores being looted. Freder doesn't care if cops get hit with Molotov cocktails, so long as Trump takes the blame.
@Leland, there’s actually a bit more than that. More to the point, at $200,000 apiece five burning Waymos add up to a million bucks of property damage right there. Hopefully yhe cameras with which those things are festooned will record enough facial images that we can see some future prosecutions.
Freder wants proportional response where he gets to decide what proper proportionality is.
And why wasn’t the National Guard there? I think it was because the Democrats in Congress failed to ask for it and Trump deferred to them.
Well, if you believe that bullshit, then there is absolutely nothing I can do to change your mind.
Seriously?! Trump deferred to the Democrats in the Congress?
I support protests — there’s a right to protest — and everyone is entitled to have the peace preserved.
Really?! Go back and review your coverage of the protests at the Wisconsin Capitol and come back to me with a less ridiculous statement.
I've been trying to publicize lectist tactics for organized vuolence and anarchy for 30 years.
You're hitting the bottle kind of early today. "No it's not me, the keyboard has been drinking".
Keep up the good work Freder. If it wasn't for you, 30 old boomers wouldn't have posted.
Iman said...
Senator Alex Padilla (D-Densa) thrown to the ground and handcuffed
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I would say more like wrestled to the ground instead of thrown. :)
Freder Frederson said...
"First of all, when was a cop hit with a Molotov Cocktail?"
I hate to break this to you, but that actually has happened:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/06/11/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-molotov-cocktail-attack-law-enforcement-caught-video
Freder. Trump called Pelosi five times offering the national guard. Pelosi declined every time. Google it.
There is one thing you all need to know about Freder. Once proven wrong he will never come back and admit he was wrong.
Why should we 'stand up' to Trump? We just elected him. If the Democrats really gave a shit about the country, the Presidency, and us, they wouldn't have propped up Joe for years and try to continue the charade with Kamala.
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