I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.
— U.S. Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) June 10, 2025
This is anarchy and true chaos.
My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/pPYbvP6xR0
"You know the protests and the anger and and everything is understandable."
"Understandable" is a fantastic weasel word. I really identified with it when I was a teenager. If you say "it's understandable," you're kind of putting yourself above it all. Of course, I have the wisdom to understand that other people have their various experiences and emotions and shortcomings and they lash out physically and inarticulately.
But if you want to be a full-scale adult and you take on the power of political office that comes with a duty to protect us all and to maintain order, you need to do more than observe and understand.
Has Fetterman come very far since 2020? Look what he's saying today: His party risks losing the moral high ground. That only seems to mean we're going to lose elections, because the voters don't want to see their cities trashed and burned. That's just observing and understanding how partisan politics work. It's not morality to say our party will do better fighting from high ground.
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Blacks die every day in Chicago - within the gangs.
No one cares.
The George Floyd saga -(a drugged out criminal)- was built by the media. The rage was orchestrated... and fueled.
Exactly - He is only bothered as far as the negative blow-back for his party - that he remains loyal to. Optics.
This is the Democratic Party brand, I don't understand Fetterman's concerns. J Fetterman, though, is only posing for his erstwhile red state. He votes with Schumer every time. It's why the Democratic Party's appeal is becoming more selective.
The Dems believe that opposing Trump, even when his policies are logical, is a moral choice. He's Hitler, he's Nixon. They must stand against him not because they'll lose politically. (If they approached his policies from an election perspective they wouldn't take these losing stands.) They are on the side of the angels in their minds.
Fetterman's spitting in the wind. The Dems don't see chaos; they see righteousness.
Democrats are just violent fascists.
If they don't get their way they burn and steal.
It is understandable.
But it is also not tolerable.
If I hadn't seen some of his more recent posts on X, I'd be a bit more cynical. But since he was elected, he makes sense now and again, even though he still hews to the Party line perhaps 60% of the time. He's not all woke all the time, as the more rabid partisans are.
Words are cheap, John. Why are they still your party? This is not a one-off.
He gets plenty of blowback on his defense of Israel.
Dems like to cosplay that they are the “good Germans” in the 1930’s.
Fetterman is sort of echoed by an article by Ruy Teixeira in Bari Weiss’s Free Press titled “The LA Riots Are a Trump Ad.” And he’s right. Their support for the riots mark the Democrats as favoring illegal immigrants over native-born workers and as favoring criminals over las and order.
"“The LA Riots Are a Trump Ad.”
Same as the border chaos that was played all the time on Spanish TV. It didn't create sympathy. As somebody who grew up in a neighborhood where crime was a thing, and everybody knew who the criminals were, the police get more of a break than they might by people who live behind gates guarded by armed sheriff's deputies and only see it on the news and discuss it at the club, that is to say, Democrats.
Sadly passive statement from Fetterman. He was more forthright standing up for Israel than this. He should be unequivocally condemning the rioting, fires, violence, looting etc. and pressing Bass and Newsom to join Trump to stop the rioting.
Of course this is going to hurt their electoral chances. Big whoop. Worse, it’s gonna get people maimed and killed. I’m really disappointed by his statement.
Trump world is jazzed that their LA agitation might save Steven Miller’s marriage. 🤣
My disgust is with the media. They are still in the midst of their faux regret over hiding Biden's decline while they propagate this new democrat narrative of "nothing to see here but peaceful protests" bullshit.
The media in this country is irredeemable.
…since we’re a bit on the topic of income today- do those toughest dudes in the area who do not fold receive a 1099 or a K-1 for the $6500 to $12500 a week they are paid? I assume a few of them formed LLCs so they can offset the income with their expenses for combat gear and incendiaries…
While it’s true that I don’t watch a lot of mainstream media news, I’m feeling like they are doing their best to avoid a display of the graphic violence currently happening. Choosing rather to show only the “mostly peaceful” protests.
The same way they avoided showing images of January 6th when violent protestors tried to burn the Capitol to the ground ground and murderous all the capitol police officers.
The only way this narrative changes is when an LA peaceful protester is shot dead in the back.
Actually I think this would be a good time for CA to declare its independence. I honestly think most of America would be good with that. They could set up their own borders, provide for their own defense have their own passports and visa system where they could via social media vet all applicants for right wing social extremism. That is to say support for Trump.
They could even decide to deport all registered Republicans.
Then they could truly be the happy place they all long for.
…the left’s moral high ground ends somewhere underneath a burning car…
“It's not morality to say our party will do better fighting from high ground”
It may be. If he’s trying to get more Democrats to condemn the riots so that there’s less violence and he’s using the only argument that he thinks his fellow Democrats will find persuasive then he does have the moral high ground. But that would be a sad commentary on the state of the Democrat Party.
There is no riot in LA. Kaka's family says so.
It's not a riot. It's an agitation.
Kak-a-phony -
so you are saying Biden's illegal allowance of millions of illegals = Trump's fault.
Politicians don’t do morality. They don’t last long if they try.
Kakistocracy said...
Trump world is jazzed that their LA agitation might save Steven Miller’s marriage. 🤣
Rich drops by to remind everyone what a morally degenerate and terrible person he is.
Kaka's agenda is globalism, any opposition to free migration across borders is, in his narrative, fascism. The globalists are fascists, but at a global level. They think that that is where Hitler went wrong. I don't remember which Democrat pundit said it, but one wrote an article, "You know? Hitler had some pretty good ideas."
Of course their tactics have the stink of fascism, so, like the guy who lays a fart, their first move is to try to pin the stench on somebody else. The rule of "He who smelt it, dealt it" applies in this case, and the people constantly accusing others of fascism in the mainstream media, are in fact, the fascists. Just not "National Fascists" like you know who, but "International Fascists," which is in many ways worse.
This is all part of the plan. Let in millions of illegals and then make it damn near impossible to remove them.
Moral high ground my ass.
Now I'm seeing false representations that it's the residents of Los Angeles that resent the intrusion of the military to quell the riots. Isn't that interesting? All the rioters are really just good citizens doing their civic duty !
I wonder how long the residents of Los Angeles will sit back and let the media put all these fighting words into their mouths.
They'll have to realize that voting isn't enough. I'm also seeing that truckloads of rioting gear are appearing, staging to support the protestors. Fully-face-covering riot masks to protect from projectiles and tear gas. By the thousands, by the truckloads, still in their retail packaging. Who's paying?
If I were an Angeleno, I'd be setting up citizen networks to report the stuff being delivered, and then just go take it at the point of a gun. Let them prosecute - we'll find out who is so well-funded and professionally organized. Scare up an empty flatbed with forklift and pick up those pallets of bricks and cinderblocks as soon as they're dropped. Let them prosecute ! Let them complain. An army of rooftop Koreans from all walks is called for if you want to make it stop. As for the regular Army and Marines, rubber bullets to the kneecaps and genitals. You'll change a lot of minds and at the very least, remove a dedicated insurrectionist for at least a week or two.
"My party loses the moral high ground...." Several problems. 1. Instead of attacking the objective evil of the lefty rioters, he focuses on party interest--it's a partisan weasel statement rather than serious condemnation 2. You can only lose what you have: in what sense did or do Dems occupy moral high ground? 3.F. doesn't explain what counts as moral high ground when it comes to addressing illegal immigration and going after cartels and trafficking--what's "low" about the Trump approach?
Let them complain. An army of rooftop Koreans from all walks is called for if you want to make it stop. As for the regular Army and Marines, rubber bullets to the kneecaps and genitals. You'll change a lot of minds and at the very least, remove a dedicated insurrectionist for at least a week or two.
So burning unoccupied cars is unacceptable but deliberately injuring protesters (you don't seem to care whether or not the protesters are violent or not) and having vigilante snipers on roofs are a-okay, as long as they are enforcing the power of the state.
What is exactly is your definition of the right to peaceably assemble. Just because the state escalates the violence, that is fine with you.
You cannot claim the moral high ground while defending violence by the police and military.
I don't remember which Democrat pundit said it, but one wrote an article, "You know? Hitler had some pretty good ideas."
Making these assertions without a shred of proof (even you can't remember who or when it was said) is absolutely reckless.
John Fetterman is "Conversion-American Style" played out on a national stage: How can a man be born again - especially when it's against his self-interest? - but is it really against his self-interest to move in the direction in which the voters are going? - [suddenly going deeper] anyhow, is the politics of the American present/ and or future what really matters? because something that speaks to my soul is really happening - but what? Can a man be born again? What would the DNC say? - My political future - David Hogg, my leader [spits mentally] - Israel is a political question, they say - Israel - Can a man be born again? I visit these questions secretly by night.
When the president says "They spit, we hit! And I told them — nobody’s going to spit on our police officers. Nobody’s gonna spit on military. Which they do as a common thing. They get up to them this far away, and then they start spitting in their faces. If that happens, they get hit very hard.”
Lecturing us about moral high ground, while encouraging escalation by the police, is disgusting.
…I’m good with a few busloads of Rittenhouses and his jurors for after. The lawyers promised when the bad guys signed up couldn’t make things ‘right’. Seems like a good incentive to reconsider rioting as a profession…
beetlejuice
Given their even-handed reporting to date on the LA riots, Bari Weiss’s Free Press has become the go-to place to read about what’s happening is that sorry-assed city. Here’s Austyn Jeff’s write for FP:
On the ground, I saw a lot of peaceful protesters, many of whom had immigrant roots and were opposed to the recent raids.
I also saw violence. I saw a group of masked men throwing rocks at cop cars from a bridge above the 101 Freeway. I saw Waymos set on fire, and people throwing glass bottles at law enforcement.
These are the people President Donald Trump has classified as “thugs” and “insurrectionists.” These are the people that the president is opposing with the 2,000 National Guard troops he ordered to Los Angeles to restore order. He has said that he will send more if needed.
I saw only a few National Guard troops where I was, but there were lots of Los Angeles Police Department officers. I also didn’t witness many arrests. It might be that police feel uncomfortable making arrests, or were told to try to avoid them.
California governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass said that the National Guard deployment is escalating the protests. It’s true that some people I spoke to said that they joined the protest because of the deployment.
But things were pretty chaotic even without the National Guard. The police could not successfully contain the protesters. There is an entire section of downtown LA that has been destroyed.
So I guess Newsom and Bass had to destroy Paramount to save it? (If you’re not a Boomer — or older — you probably won’t get the reference.)
Sorry. I meant to add that the emphasis in my quotation from Mr. Jeffs’ article is my own and not in the original.
Did you confuse my post with something else? Spitting is assault, Freder. Right? What's the penalty for assaulting a law officer? Is throwing sharp fragments of cinderblocks, peaceful Freder? It seems to be the new innovation, have pallets delivered and then use a hand sledge to make fragments. Carrying a handsledge around - now that's peaceful protest, amirite? How about water bottles, sorry about that whole 'happens to be frozen' thingie.
You should be more careful when trying to impute words to other people. Tell us what you think about citizens organizing to prevent outsiders from setting fire to their city. You forgot to address that, if you were answering my comment.
Lecturing us about moral high ground, while encouraging escalation by the police, is disgusting.
Well, Freder, people who mistakenly believe that it’s okay to spit on LEOs, and the people who encourage the spitting are even more disgusting. Trump is giving fair warning, and the rioters should thank him for it.
Freder said, @ 10:22.
The right to peaceably assembly does not include destroying property. But go ahead. Burn my car. See what happens.
As I said to Gadfly, Freder. Which came first? The rioters or the police. You have no moral high ground Freder, because you are immoral in word and deed.
I don't consider it a peaceable assembly if 1,000 people turn up on the streets, day after day, for a series of planned confrontations with ICE and LEOs, wherein it's understood that a significant percentage of them will be throwing rocks, setting cars on fire, etc. Even if "most" of the individual participants are not personally engaging in violence, they are all there for that essential purpose, either as personal participants, or to support and provide cover for those do commit acts of violence or vandalism, or to make the overall event more of a public spectacle by making it "bigger." For God's sake, what percentage of lynchers in the Old South actually strung up the victims?
Freder - you're insane hatred of Trump is so boring.
You're just one of many hiveminds.
Everything is Trump's fault... including your side's corruption and lies. Amazing.
Spitting is assault, Freder. Right?
So is the use of excessive force. Trump seems to be saying if you spit on the police you should be beaten with a night stick.
So I guess if you spit on someone, and they beat the shit out of you, you are perfectly justified pulling out your pistol and killing them.
When I retired to New Zealand in 1996 I was a Democrat and Bill Clinton, for all his faults, was controlling the party wackos. When I returned in 2003 the wackos were resurgent, Clinton’s wife was among them and I could no longer be a Democrat. Now the wackos run the party and have wrought open borders, sedition, unabashed graft, misogyny in sports, burgeoning antisemitism, etc., and I am feeling grateful. If they do not succeed in destabilizing the country, they have given sane people cause to reject the Party completely.
10:34 big Mike
thanks for that.
Freder - yet you are obsessed with Jan 6th. LA riots are much worse- and it's Antifa thugs(D) and Palestinian losers all mixed in.
To say they cannot control themselves - and that is Trump's fault? So lame. So predicable from you.
Freder Frederson said...
I don't remember which Democrat pundit said it, but one wrote an article, "You know? Hitler had some pretty good ideas."
Making these assertions without a shred of proof (even you can't remember who or when it was said) is absolutely reckless.
Democrats actions speak louder than any words.
You installing racist regimes your castigating large demographics based on them being white and male. You’re implementing racist policies meant to fit one race over the other.
Tried to throw your political opponents in jail, and you tried to kill President Trump. You are still trying to kill President Trump.
You imported an army of illegal aliens, then armed and organized to attack people and institutions inside this country.
You are of course, not Nazis as that was a different political party. You are a different political, doing the same things that the Nazis did and even going past that to smuggle in an army of foreign invaders arming and organizing the to destabilize the country and attack your political opponents.
For God's sake, what percentage of lynchers in the Old South actually strung up the victims?
That is a really bad example. Most lynchings were carried out with either the acquiescence or even active participation of law enforcement. Hell, it took 52 years to hold one of the killers of Emmett Till responsible (and at worst, he didn't even spit on anyone).
The loyal left's collective and collaborated argument:
"You made us do this."
...Trump seems to be saying ..." There you go, imputing words again. Trump didn't say that, and I didn't say anything about killing anybody, quite the contrary - that makes you the Bad Faith liar, doesn't it, Freder. What do you think about citizens that don't want their city burned down? What do you think about them organizing to prevent it? Which do you prefer - the Army, or the citizens?
I notice that the Rioting Flash Mobs are using some kind of encrypted messaging to meet up and then disperse, to meet up in a different location. This is how they can wreak damage and havoc, but then disperse like ground fog when the police force shows up, and immediately move somewhere else. That sounds like an organized insurrection, doesn't it? Human drone swarms, programmed to destroy. Decent people don't do that Freder.
Freder - we note you must change the subject to the gruesome murder of Emmet Till.
Nothing to do with Crook Joe's illegal allowance of Illegal border crossers... on purpose - on the public dole without our permission. and now cars are on fire.
Are we watching in real time a fusion of globalists, Marxists, Democrats and drug cartels?
Freder - any sympathy for Laken Reily - MURDERED by one of Joe/Soros money illegal entrants?
A young woman in Denver was killed by an illegal - driving illegally 90+ MPH on a residential street in Denver. the driver a 15 year old ILLEGAL. The US citizen - a young woman - DEAD.
Do you care?
NO.
Good news for you - Denver is so one-party D-authoritarian - the left told the family of the girl to Fuck off - and let the 15 year old illegal off with no penalty. Up next - the entire illegal family of the 15 year old who killed an American citizen - are going to file for amnesty.
See also "The optics are bad."
Real Justice would be the rest of us - torching and harming the Joe Biden cabal - and his loyal ass-sniffers.
But we don't do that.
did he vote for the laken reilly act, I do believe he was leaning that way,
Fredder - answer Aggie please. 10:38
The Democrats need to begin a search for 'their own' Gandhi.
"Fredder - answer Aggie please. 10:38"
We all know the answer.
Fetterman, my senator, is trying to persuade his party to act responsibly.
Trump and his thralls (see above) have scuttled every attempt to impose reality on US immigration policy, because they don't want to lose the issue and "the ratings". One might suppose there is some elements of white supremacy involved. They seem to want a marginalized and subjugated brown immigrant population, available for crap work but under control.
…the existence of a large military presence should not itself define excessive force, as the highly paid rioters, their managers and the mainstream media outlets are encouraging us to believe. Funny that. I’m having live video from mainstream media listed in my YouTube feed this morning. The still photos show all the burning and stuff but I think there was supposed to be action today but instead there’s humvees and guardsmen standing around shooting the bull…
…are rioters still paid to stand down? How’s that work?
no it's a reinforcing ecosystemhttps://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2025/06/10/surprise-guess-whos-aggressively-supporting-anti-law-enforcement-rioters-in-la-n2658506
Freder is just defending the right of every Venezuelan to come to America and destroy property. Which Amendment is that one in, Freder? I'm having a hard time remembering.
Freder Frederson said...
Spitting is assault, Freder. Right?
So is the use of excessive force. Trump seems to be saying if you spit on the police you should be beaten with a night stick.
So I guess if you spit on someone, and they beat the shit out of you, you are perfectly justified pulling out your pistol and killing them.
They are foreign invaders, waving Mexican flags in our country burning looting killing an attacking law-enforcement.
There is no such thing excessive force in this situation.
Its 1935 in Germany and MAGAts are feeling their oats.
Achilles, you would have been the most enthusiastic furnace room employee at Auschwitz.
Freder - we note you must change the subject to the gruesome murder of Emmet Till.
I wasn't the one who brought up lynching. I was responding to a ridiculous assertion by Dogma and Pony Show.
The NYT has an article about riots in Ballymena, Northern Ireland (free link). Do you all think the coverage of that is different from the coverage of the LA riots? I do.
They call the riots "racially motivated", but the protests are because there have been two rapes in the last couple of weeks, the last one a young teen girl was the victim and a couple of young teen Romanian boys are the accused.
"Trump and his thralls (see above) have scuttled every attempt to impose reality on US immigration policy, because they don't want to lose the issue and "the ratings"."
The reality is that the democrats have imported 20 million immigrants illegally in order to bolster their electoral chances. That really is indisputable, and to claim the moral high ground from that base is disgraceful.
My husband believes there's a good chance that people will vote for Democrats next year just to stop the rioting. They know, he says, that when Democrats are elected, things stay pretty peaceful, and that when Republicans are elected, there are riots - by Democrats. And that their complicity in Democrat temper tantrums matters less to them than their own peace. He thinks that may have been what happened in 2020, or at least a contributor.
I sincerely hope people aren't that craven. But then again, my neighborhood isn't reduced to smoking ruins all the time.
Fredder - excessive and necessary force attempting to bring back law an order - because mask wearing, brick throwing, fire-starters are out of control - that's illegal?
Since when?
Coming to my small Wisconsin city by weekend.
his cue card only has so much space,
They are foreign invaders, waving Mexican flags in our country
…prolly a bunch of them are American gym rats…
"My husband believes there's a good chance that people will vote for Democrats next year just to stop the rioting. They know, he says, that when Democrats are elected, things stay pretty peaceful, and that when Republicans are elected, there are riots - by Democrats. And that their complicity in Democrat temper tantrums matters less to them than their own peace. He thinks that may have been what happened in 2020, or at least a contributor."
I have no doubt this is the case.
excessive and necessary force
I doubt you could provide a better definition of an oxymoron.
TeaBagHag said...
Its 1935 in Germany and MAGAts are feeling their oats.
Achilles, you would have been the most enthusiastic furnace room employee at Auschwitz.
During the Biden administration democrats colluded with the largest corporations in the world to censor MAGA.
During the Biden regime democrats tried to jail their political opponents.
During the Biden Regime the FBI was investigating parents who spoke out at school board meetings and churches.
Today we are at the hypothetical place where the Germans rose up and deposed Hitler.
We are now just in the process of taking out the fascist trash.
The reality is that the democrats have imported 20 million immigrants illegally in order to bolster their electoral chances. That really is indisputable, and to claim the moral high ground from that base is disgraceful.
Actually, this statement is far from "indisputable". From the number of Illegal (20 million is a gross exaggeration) immigrants during the Biden presidency to the entire ridiculous assertion that the Democrats "imported" these people, or that the purpose was to bolster Democratic electoral chances.
Basing the "moral high ground" on a string of lies is what is really disgraceful.
You know who else pretended like they weren't fascists as they were consolidating power and busting uppity people’s heads?
During the Biden Regime the FBI was investigating parents who spoke out at school board meetings and churches.
I know that calling you out on all your lies would be a full time job, but this one in particular is more egregious than most.
waving Mexican flags in our country
If you think that waving Mexican flags in our country should be a crime, then you really are a fascist.
Fetterman knows that black lives matter far more than latino lives; neither of those types of life matter to me
Riots in '68: Nixon won bigly. Kent State in '72: Nixon won 49 states. Democrats know the history of their riots but they can't help themselves, and occasionally (cough cough 2020) the riots and unrest (and virus) are enough to obscure election irregularities. Just enough.
This ain't that. This is midterm losses for the out party bad. This has taken an 80/20 issue and dialed it up to armed conflict all because Democrats in power would not enforce the law and encouraged (and are paying) their thugs to riot.
Kent State in '72: Nixon won 49 states.
Kent (and Jackson) State happened in the spring of '70, not '72. The Nixon Administration compiled an extensive report on both. Guess what the Nixon administration concluded? Both incidents resulted in the death of protesters because over reaction of the Ohio National Guard (Kent State) and Mississippi State and local police (Jackson State)
"National School Boards Association’s (NSBA) much-criticized letter to Biden that compared protesting parents to domestic terrorists"
did happen.
More from Bari Weiss’s Free Press. This is by Leighton Woodhouse, who notes that one of the rioters saw him taking pictures “Or we’ll f*** you up!” He did delete them. For all of that his article certainly has the look and feel of reporting what he sees, unfiltered by ideology.
Rocks weren’t the only projectiles. I saw protesters tossing commercial-grade fireworks at the police, which sounded like bombs. Between the fireworks and the flash-bangs, there was a concussive explosion about once a minute.
I have been to dozens of mass protests like the one that exploded in Los Angeles on Friday. What I saw in Los Angeles on Sunday was different. It felt like it could be the prelude to something even worse.
Even before the rocks started flying, the police were responding to protesters who were throwing benign projectiles like empty plastic water bottles by firing rubber bullets and flash-bangs directly at them.
Some protestors/rioters insisted that the police were firing their non-lethal munitions “randomly” into the crowd but Woodhouse saw the police taking careful aim. Regarding the rocks that were being thrown, Woodhouse writes:.
A man I spoke to pointed out that those rocks were big enough to kill people. They were.
Woodhouse saw the Waymo driverless taxis burn. I read elsewhere thst those taxis cost upwards of $200,000 apiece and are festooned with cameras. Also the taxis are not dispatched without credit card and personally identifiable information being submitted to the company. Waymo pledges to help the police identify the folks involved in ordering and torching their cars. I hope some people wind up regretting their fun.
Woodhouse then writes about the usual pattern for riots:
The usual choreography of these protests goes something like this: Thousands of normal people show up, along with a smaller contingent of organized agitators. The agitators engage in enough petty property damage to create a situation in which there is a standoff with the cops. Under the cover of the crowd, they then engage in more serious property destruction. If they are emboldened enough, these agitators might launch some largely symbolic attacks on police lines: throwing trash, vandalizing an unattended police cruiser, that kind of thing.
If the strategy is successful, it provokes a violent reaction from the police that is directed at the general mass of protesters. The experience of being attacked by the police when you haven’t done anything illegal outrages the nonviolent majority of the crowd, which then becomes incrementally more violent in return. The situation escalates.
Sunday did not follow that script.
One way in which this script was not followed is that the organized agitators did not appear to be wearing the Antifa black hoodie “uniform.” And the other?
They also weren’t incrementally ratcheting up their activity. They had escalated straight into serious violence.
Woodhouse notes that LA had, historically, had few problems with its “undocumented” immigrant population. Now he looks at the riots, and wonders if he’s seeing a bomb ready to go off.
"Basing the "moral high ground" on a string of lies is what is really disgraceful."
Everything I said is true, Freder. 10 million were let in during the Biden administration, another 10 million preceded that. The Biden administration bent over backwards to import as many as they could, from phone apps to dedicated flights. And it undoubtedly benefits the democrats when it comes to the census, not to mention the intention to grant them voting rights and citizenship. Would you care to offer an alternative motive?
The Democrats will not listen to Fetterman's advice and will, in fact, demonize him for offering it. Just look at the lefties in this thread to get a taste of it.
Freder, I don't know what your basis is for claiming that "most" lynchings took place with law enforcement involvement (or why you think that matters), but let's talk about those lynchings that were purely "private" gatherings: Would you agree that the mere fact that only a small percentage of those attending actively engage in stringing up the victim, does not make the lynching a "mostly peaceful" event? Or would you concede that everyone who chooses to attend a lynching shares in the moral blame for it?
"Troops and turmoil in LA: Masked looters raid Apple store."
Illegal stuff all over LA - but but but
....Trump made us do it!
The road to hell is bordered with moral high ground flowers.
I havent seen a single Leftwing MSM figure, or Democrat Pol, condemn the violence and destruction, not to mention the attacks on the police/ICE, wholeheartedly. Like Fettermann, its always couched as "Hey, we need to stop supporting this, it makes the Left/Democrats look bad".
And I cant think of a single Left/Democrat Pol who defended the J6 protesters or was upset at Ashli Babbitt and others getting killed by the police or the massive fascist like manhunt and punishment of people who did nothing more than walk into a building and tresspass.
Again, its just 2020 all over again. Remember that Biden, Pelosi and Schumer all refused to condemn the violence and stated that "Antifa doesn't exist".
MSM is back talking about "Protesters clash with Police". You can tell who the protesters are by how the MSM describe them.
Clashed with police = equals leftists who attacked the police.
Attacked the police = equals Rightwingers who attacked the police.
"If you think that waving Mexican flags in our country should be a crime, then you really are a fascist."
He didn't say that.
Would you care to discuss the message sent by people here illegally, who refuse to go home, waving flags of their home country? I mean, what is that?
Big Mike -again - thanks for posting.
sounds like the Soros strategy.
"The usual choreography of these protests goes something like this: Thousands of normal people show up, along with a smaller contingent of organized agitators. The agitators engage in enough petty property damage to create a situation in which there is a standoff with the cops. Under the cover of the crowd, they then engage in more serious property destruction. If they are emboldened enough, these agitators might launch some largely symbolic attacks on police lines: throwing trash, vandalizing an unattended police cruiser, that kind of thing.
If the strategy is successful, it provokes a violent reaction from the police that is directed at the general mass of protesters. The experience of being attacked by the police when you haven’t done anything illegal outrages the nonviolent majority of the crowd, which then becomes incrementally more violent in return. The situation escalates."
It's understandable that there will be riots when there are people who live to riot and can be summoned by text messages and assembled in hours. It's understandable that there will be riots when there are foundations and NGOs to finance the riots and rioters. What needs to be said is how understandable it was that most African-Americans didn't riot in 2020 and most Mexican-Americans aren't rioting now.
Trump and his thralls (see above) have scuttled every attempt to impose reality on US immigration policy, because they don't want to lose the issue and "the ratings". One might suppose there is some elements of white supremacy involved. They seem to want a marginalized and subjugated brown immigrant population, available for crap work but under control.
B.S. It's Trump's opponents who want an underpaid and marginalized immigrant population to keep wages down and their vote counts up. And what does "under control" mean? Not rioting and burning cars? Aren't most Americans okay with that and "under control" themselves?
Brown Lives Matter is a Black Lives Matter redux of rebellious insurrection.
Needs a bold:
""The usual choreography of these protests goes something like this: Thousands of normal people show up, along with a smaller contingent of organized agitators. The agitators engage in enough petty property damage to create a situation in which there is a standoff with the cops. Under the cover of the crowd, they then engage in more serious property destruction. If they are emboldened enough, these agitators might launch some largely symbolic attacks on police lines: throwing trash, vandalizing an unattended police cruiser, that kind of thing.
If the strategy is successful, it provokes a violent reaction from the police that is directed at the general mass of protesters. The experience of being attacked by the police when you haven’t done anything illegal outrages the nonviolent majority of the crowd, which then becomes incrementally more violent in return. The situation escalates."
needs a bold
Newsom fiddles and Bass strums while LA burns and burns again.
A long stretch of West Madison st. In Chicago is still full of vacant lots left over from the riots of ‘68. Lots of black homes and businesses that were developed during the great migration that would have served a thriving black community of hard working people were destroyed. And for what?
Fly by night radicals came saw destroyed and left the neighborhood with nothing, and they still have little.
The Assholes bark, the caravan moves on, and the poor are left behind with nothing except Democrat leaders who run out of money enriching themselves, and then say, oops nothing left for you!
He didn't say that.
Here is the entire quote: "They are foreign invaders, waving Mexican flags in our country burning looting killing an attacking law-enforcement."
Why did he include waving flags as the first in a litany of complaints when the rest of his list are clearly illegal. And not to be pedantic, but no law enforcement officers have been killed, or even seriously injured.
What does the Mexican flag waving say about their intentions, Freder?
Fetterman's understandable statement was in 2020, before his stroke which occurred in May 2022. Maybe a brush with death altered his thinking on issues and what he truly believes is important long-term. Perhaps there were actual physical changes in his brain that altered his thinking as a result of his stroke.
waving a Mexican flag is not illegal - nor should it really be offensive - esp on Cinco De Mayo - but when you mix it with the entitled, property damaging, police face spitting - (which is assault) & illegal rioting and car burning - it's not a good look for that flag.
Fetterman isn't running for anything this year or next. What he'll say about the 2028 riots remains to be seen.
Aren’t strokes known for increasing your cognitive capabilities?
Difficult to lose the high moral ground when you never had it in the first place.
Remember, you can never be a Has Been if you were never a Once Were.
Freder Frederson said...
He didn't say that.
Here is the entire quote: "They are foreign invaders, waving Mexican flags in our country burning looting killing an attacking law-enforcement."
Why did he include waving flags as the first in a litany of complaints when the rest of his list are clearly illegal. And not to be pedantic, but no law enforcement officers have been killed, or even seriously injured.
You really are that stupid.
Please keep supporting the foreign invasion.
Please keep supporting people who burn and loot under a foreign flag.
There is absolutely nothing fascist about sending people who are proud of Mexico back to Mexico. It just makes sense.
Really, Freder, what's up with the flag waving?
Freder Frederson said...
During the Biden Regime the FBI was investigating parents who spoke out at school board meetings and churches.
I know that calling you out on all your lies would be a full time job, but this one in particular is more egregious than most.
Are you actually trying to pretend democrats including the people who were using Biden as a puppet did not direct several agencies to investigate and target parents who went to school board meetings?
We have the receipts you piece of shit.
We also know they specifically targeted the Catholic Church.
It is hilarious you pretend otherwise at this point.
But then again you ran with the Russian collusion hoax for years and you are still a part of the political tribe that has been caught lying about everything.
You are so dishonest that you would have to have an IQ of 80 to think any normal person would find you credible about anything.
You are just a really stupid person who has absolutely no self awareness.
You said it, Jaq, and of course Peachy. Freder, it's the rioters who are throwing things down off bridges onto innocent cops.
I find this whole Bari Weiss violent/peaceful protest stuff naive. If I was protesting peacefully and saw what was being done in my name, I would vocally oppose it and stop protesting that day. I'd loudly purge my movement of the violent protesters and make it clear they are neither welcome nor speaking for me.
The "peaceful" ones are just running cover for the rioters. They don't all know they are doing this, but a damn lot of them do. It's the oldest tactic in the book.
Are you actually trying to pretend democrats including the people who were using Biden as a puppet did not direct several agencies to investigate and target parents who went to school board meetings?
That is exactly what I am saying. You're not as dense as I thought you were.
We have the receipts you piece of shit.
Receipts for what?
But then again you ran with the Russian collusion hoax for years and you are still a part of the political tribe that has been caught lying about everything.
When did I run with the Russian collusion hoax? Bet you can't find a post by me on that topic.
police face spitting
Trump has claimed this has happened but he has provided zero evidence of any such incident.
Should I take him seriously or literally?
Jaq said...
This is the Democratic Party brand, I don't understand Fetterman's concerns. J Fetterman, though, is only posing for his erstwhile red state. He votes with Schumer every time. It's why the Democratic Party's appeal is becoming more selective.
This has been in the Donk playbook forever. I'm old enough to remember William Proxmire's "Golden Fleece" awards and Daniel Patrick Moynihan saying "the liberal left can be as rigid and destructive as any force in American life." But in the end, both of these worthies voted with the Donks every time. As does Fetterman.
His Party has never HAD the moral high ground to lose
I guess Freder is not going to attempt a justification of the flag waving, other than to offer up the disingenuous non sequitur that it's not illegal.
Trump has claimed this has happened but he has provided zero evidence of any such incident.
That's not what Trump claimed happen. What Trump said if a protester spits, then the National Guard troops are authorized by him to hit. However, if you need it, there is plenty of video imagery of rioters throwing rocks at police vehicles. Maybe you think spitting is worse than throwing rocks? Or perhaps you are just an idiot. I'm going with the latter.
Democrats are trapped in the ethical tar pits.
Fredder - at what point do you stop yourself from making idiotic excuses for really bad and extremist violent behavior.
"but Trump made us" - does not work.
Freder Frederson said...
But then again you ran with the Russian collusion hoax for years and you are still a part of the political tribe that has been caught lying about everything.
When did I run with the Russian collusion hoax? Bet you can't find a post by me on that topic.
Pathetic dodge. You are supporting the party that claimed Trump was a Russian asset and they knew they were making it up.
You support the liars so you support their lies.
This just makes you a coward as well as dishonest.
The American flag was raised at Iwo Jima.
The American flag was raised in revolution against the left-wing hegemony of the British imperial crown.
These protesters are merely rebels with ulterior motives (e.g. invasion, insurrection)... an American Spring.
“You know who else pretended like they weren't fascists as they were consolidating power and busting uppity people’s heads?”
Ooh… ooh, I know…
Who was FDR, Anus.
Freder's people.
So, apparently, even these guys understand the bad optics of the Mexican flag (they should explain it to Freder). The organizers have distributed American flags, but I don't think that's going to be enough for people to see these thugs as patriots.
Lecturing us about moral high ground, while encouraging escalation by the police, is disgusting.
Go fuck yourself, Freder.
Master market manipulator George Soros got every dime's worth of value from this "law enforcement" investments. We are all being played by the oligarchs. Every. single. oligarch.
From the link in Original Mike's 3:25 post:
As part of Monday's madness in the Summer of Anarchy, anti-ICE rioters descended upon the Ootoro Little Tokyo Sushi Shop. County Local News reported that the mob forced its way into the store and began looting. They took the cash box, and when it was cleaned out, they tossed it into the street.
Since when is looting private businesses considered to be "protesting"?
It appears the Ootoro Little Tokyo Sushi Shop could have used some rooftop Koreans.
Fetterman may have a variable view of various riots, but at least he occasionally has moments of reality. Whether driven by observation or rank political opportunism, he's still way ahead of his party.
I'm not very fond of LA, but I do have a soft spot for Little Tokyo. Bastards.
Nobody ever told Freder the riots are an act with many players in on the scam- government, police, media, the US Treasury. He must be pretty low in the leftie suckling order…
"He must be pretty low in the leftie suckling order…"
The fascists in charge need their useful idiots.
Freder Frederson said...
Are you actually trying to pretend democrats including the people who were using Biden as a puppet did not direct several agencies to investigate and target parents who went to school board meetings?
That is exactly what I am saying. You're not as dense as I thought you were.
We have the receipts you piece of shit.
Receipts for what?
Here you go you Freder. Merrick Garland signed it himself.
Seriously what is wrong with you? What world do you live in?
Someone said:
During the Biden Regime the FBI was investigating parents who spoke out at school board meetings and churches.
To which Freder replied:
"I know that calling you out on all your lies would be a full time job, but this one in particular is more egregious than most."
***********************
Freder, no matter where we posters live, you're so full of shit we can smell all the stink.
Here's the evidence
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/no-legitimate-basis-judiciary-committee-blasts-biden-admin-directive-telling-fbi-to-investigate-school-board-meetings
But they didn't stop there, they surveilled Catholics too
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-oversight-unveils-disturbing-extent-of-fbis-anti-catholic-bias
We call Freder Fredo for a very good reason.
I still think he's a russian asset. Sue me.
…it’s curious lefties, how we never rally see man on the street interviews with these mostly peaceful protesters- where they’re from, what they do for work…see their faces. How about a completely peaceful protester if there are any?
Freder really has to have been living under a rock not to know this.
…time and again they’re allowed anonymity, as the ‘live’ feed from ABC ‘news’ is pulled back far enough so as not to identify…curious.
“I still think he's a russian asset. Sue me.”
I’d rather piss on you, Sparky.
I find this whole Bari Weiss violent/peaceful protest stuff naive.
Well, Tina, I find it refreshing that the journalists are describing what they see, not what The Narrative tells them to report.
If I was protesting peacefully and saw what was being done in my name, I would vocally oppose it and stop protesting that day.
Go to www.thefp.com and read the whole Woodhouse article. At least one woman did get in the face of a guy who dropped rocks onto police cars.
I'd loudly purge my movement of the violent protesters and make it clear they are neither welcome nor speaking for me.
How? They’re younger, stronger, and there are more of them. What if they drop you off the bridge headfirst onto Z police car?
rehajm said...
"…it’s curious lefties, how we never rally see man on the street interviews with these mostly peaceful protesters- where they’re from, what they do for work…see their faces. How about a completely peaceful protester if there are any?"
The Associated Press managed to get an interview of sorts with an Antifa hanger-on in Portland, a few years ago:
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-race-and-ethnicity-music-or-state-wire-1dd1bb39093a3691f4e78093787ab877
The story goes like this:
"One of the people at the very front of the fence was Travis Rogers. The former U.S. Air Force veteran recently quit his job as a Medicaid case manager, in part because he would have been fired anyway if he got arrested.
On this night, Rogers wore a helmet and carried a blue shield made out of the side of a plastic barrel. Like most days, he spent most of the protest trying to take down the fence and screaming at the federal agents guarding it, asking them to explore their conscience.
After six years working for the military, Rogers said he felt better equipped than many to find talking points that might make the agents think about their mission more critically.
“I think it is a good idea to try to plant some seeds in their heads for ... them to go home and sleep on. These are people’s kids and mothers and wives and daughters that they’re gassing and they’re going to have to go home to THEIR mothers and wives and daughters,” said Rogers, as explosive booms echoed around him. “I try to encourage them to think about the fact that they’re on the wrong side of history and that they will not be treated so kindly.”
But anything Rogers said was lost in the thunderous noise, the booms of fireworks and tear gas canisters whisking his words away into the chaos of the night."
"I still think he's a russian asset. Sue me."
Incredible.
Unthinking may be more apt.
"These are people’s kids and mothers and wives and daughters that they’re gassing and they’re going to have to go home to THEIR mothers and wives and daughters,”
Says the guy who's on the side of those using lasers trying to blind people. SMH
Read the whole article to get a picture of what Antifa is up to. They're more like a paramilitary cadre, not merely protesting, but intent on property damage and bodily harm to make their targets "understand."
"In the very front, those with gas masks formed a wall against the tear gas and pepper balls with shields and umbrellas. Protesters who began wielding leaf blowers to push the gas back on the federal agents several days ago found that now the agents, too, had leaf blowers.
Kennedy Verrett, a composer and music teacher, had been teargassed twice and was ready to go home. He had to be up early the next day to teach piano lessons but planned to be back for again another night.
“When you are sent to protect property ....” he said of the agents, trailing off. “My ancestors were once property. No one protected them. Tear gas is nothing when you have lived in America as a Black man for 40 years.” "
8 minutes of The five. Worth is.
Why can't democrats be like Howard?
Mad Town Guy - Antifa should be labeled a domestic terrorist group.
"worth IT"
By tomorrow some California judge will have issued a restraining order and this will all be over.
I was watching a video of an anti-ICE march in my city. I have to give Trump credit for getting these people walking. A lot of them don't look like they normally get in more steps than it takes to get from the couch to the refrigerator. MAHA.
jim said...
I still think he's a russian asset. Sue me.
That just makes you a really stupid person as well as dishonest.
I still think he's a russian asset. Sue me.
Why would I sue you? Do you have assets?
Maybe you have a family member who could sue you, get you locked up in a loony bin, and take your assets.
Do you mean he's a spy for Russia? But that sounds so stupid you substitute the word "asset" to pretend like you are saying something different?
I wonder if Putin knows he's a Russian asset?
"Why didn't you warn us about the drones?"
"I was busy. Shut up."
"You are a bad asset! You are fired. No more money for you from the Russian people."
"Okay."
Trump's support among Hispanics is up to 65%. They are rapidly becoming his base. White people, his support is about 55%. And black people, it's 35%. (I've lost the link, sorry).
I would suggest that people who flee crime-ridden, impoverished places to come to the USA probably do not like criminals and other people who hate the USA. Anyway, clamping down on the riots has made Trump more popular, not less. And Hispanic people like him the most.
Many years ago, we had a riot in Charlotte. I live in Charlotte. I saw nothing. One black guy gave me a stink-eye that day. That was it.
Downtown there was a mostly peaceful protest, with a little vandalism thrown in. (I skipped it). On the news, protestors were out on the highway, trying to disrupt traffic. There were fears they would be hit by cars.
Our (Republican) governor called in the National Guard. Obama said the riots need to stop. And that was it, riot over. It ended quickly. It was like a blip on the radar.
It's insane for politicians to take the side of rioters. The mayor of L.A., the governor of California, you should coordinate, like my black female mayor did with my white male governor and my black male president. They worked together and quickly stopped a riot. That's what authorities should do. It's an obvious bipartisan issue. Democrat-Republican-Democrat, that was our leadership structure.
In California, they have a Democrat-Democrat-Republican. And the two Democrats have decided they hate the Republican on top of them. So they've taken the side of the rioters. It's an insane mistake to make.
Gassing where, Mason?
Big Mike: both as a naive Democrat and as a paleo, I've taken my chances. I've been physically roughed up for standing up for what's right. I've lost jobs and my career. Worse, I ran for office. That almost killed me. I've been carried out of commie meetings by lumberjack types and thrown to the ground. I had the Iranian Secret Police follow me home and threaten me. I've barely avoided having frozen water bottles hit my head. I threw both Refuse and Resist and Operation Rescue out of a confrontation outside an abortion clinic once to keep the peace. I testified against a mafia company union in federal court in a successful RICO case. I'm still banned from the crooked IBEW/Atlanta Labor Council property in Atlanta, when I was actually defending workers' rights. I testified against a neighborhood rogue police officer, and the judge put me in her chambers to avoid the media. I've been threatened with knifing and held down by NOI thugs who were shoving around an old lady. At a Bill Clinton rally. Somebody's got to do it, right? And who better than a romantic political idiot like me? Once the radicals in the Democrat Party publicly purged me and humiliated me in the media for telling the truth about a hate crimes bill (I was a blue dog in a conservative state, which would be a Republican anywhere else), and I lost any chance of an academic career, I said to hell with it. More people should. We wouldn't be in this mess, and maybe so many cops wouldn't be attacked and assassinated.
I predict 90% of these "peaceful protesters" coordinated with the rioters. That's why I go to their planning meetings. They're assigned different jobs. Most are on the yellow team -- the "peaceful" group. Leaders direct them. Black cards are the violent ones. They insinuate the "peaceful" crowd, move to the front, and attack (there are always some useful idiots, some with children and strollers. I try to quietly tell them to leave). That's how a "peaceful" anti-cop "musical festival" outside "Cop City" ended with firebombing construction equipment as the construction workers fled for their lives and police protected property and lives while risking death.
Police saved my life once. I owe them. Almost all of my family and friends are dead, and my husband knew what he was signing up for. And Mike, at least a few of those water bottles usually contain urine, feces, acid, or frozen water. The rest are decoys for naive reporters. Jesus wept, there are manuals on how to do this, then cry innocent.
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