In an executive order, Mr. Trump put the power and resources of the federal government to work examining whether some of Mr. Biden’s presidential actions were legally invalid because his aides had enacted those policies without his knowledge. The executive order came after Mr. Trump shared a social media post over the weekend that claimed Mr. Biden had been “executed in 2020” and replaced by a robotic clone, following a pattern of suggestions by the president and his allies that Mr. Biden was a mentally incapacitated puppet of his aides....
Some outlandish things are not outlandish, and some outlandish things are humor. Should a President use humor? Not to confuse people, but he doesn't need to eschew humor for the sake of those who are willfully blind to humor. In this case, the "robotic clone" expresses a justified doubt that the entity called Joe Biden was making his own decisions and exercising the power entrusted to him by the people.
By the way, even if we assume Biden said those words quoted in the post title and let's even add the assumption that he said them in all sincerity, the question remains: How could he know what decisions were made during his presidency? He says he "made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation and proclamations." Which ones? All of them? Sit him down for a serious interview with someone who will ask him about particular decisions and see if he recognizes them! This is the man who asserted that he "beat Medicare."
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"Let me be clear" comes across as a tell these days.
Joe Biden pardoned the Jan 6th committee -
Joe Biden pardoned himself and 6 family members - going back to the start of their corruption in 2014.
Media D - yawn.
Presidential immunity - it was about Joe all this time.
"Outlandish conspiracy theories" in the sub-header ?
When did the NYT completely ditch its classic Manual of Style and Usage ?
A sad, demented, malevolent grifter who tried to kill America. That’s Joe Biden.
Have Sen. John Kennedy or Sen. Josh Hawley interview Biden for a couple of hours.
Dave Begley said...
Have Sen. John Kennedy or Sen. Josh Hawley interview Biden for a couple of hours.
Embrace the power of "and."
The executive order is the latest effort by President Trump to stoke outlandish conspiracy theories about his predecessor and question the legality of his actions in office (NYT)
To paraphrase Billy Joel, “Trump didn’t start that fire.”
Mr. D: Both senators destroyed law professor Kate Shaw. Shaw is no practitioner of cruel neutrality. She’s married to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes. It was glorious.
This seems a perfectly reasonable legal question to ask:
In an executive order, Mr. Trump put the power and resources of the federal government to work examining whether some of Mr. Biden’s presidential actions were legally invalid because his aides had enacted those policies without his knowledge.
If you are a Democrat, or fake Republican like lonejustice, that thinks that is unreasonable, then explain the FBI raiding a former President’s home to look for classified documents that the President claimed to have declassified as President. I believe the arguments were there was a process that even the President had to go through to act. Yet now Biden can enact pardons, legislation, and executive orders by mere proclamation? Even if you think so, then let’s make the answer to that legal question clear and stick with one standard for all. Right, Botfly?
I understand Trump's motive of revenge, but I wish he'd concentrate on achieving great things, not raking over the wrongs of the past.
The problem is that if there was a situation where a bunch of evil people stood up a puppet in order to wield power for their benefit, how are you going to prevent this happening in the future?
The best way to prevent this kind of evil act that results in the theft of Trillions of dollars and wars where millions of people die is to execute the people who pulled off this abuse.
And you cannot allow for this to not be a conspiracy theory and not deal with the obvious truth that the 2020 election was obviously fraudulent.
If you allow for actions like all of this to pass you will never have a free high trust society.
If you allow what these people did to go unpunished you will inevitably end up with civil war. I am actually curious if you know this and are just hiding from it of if you truly do not understand how this works?
I wish he'd concentrate on achieving great things, not raking over the wrongs of the past.
They tried to fucking murder him. Twice. So far.
I hope he goes after every single one of them bent on revenge.
Joe Biden didn't sign those pardons and even if they were handed to him he didn't possess the mental capacity for them to have any legal weight at all.
Go get them, Donald. Because they're still trying to kill you.
in a statement released today, The Great OZ said:
"Pay NO ATTENTION, to that man behind the curtain!"
He'd still be President today! if it weren't for those meddling kids!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUqwuzcGeU
--- And yet I rankle
At last.
The nation has to rake through the muck to cleanse itself. The evidence says Biden was so corrupt that criminal charges are warranted. Including his family and his advisors. The cancer must be excised.
"Does that make me a conspiracy theorist — an outlandish conspiracy theorist — in the eyes of the New York Times?"
Yes.
However, I doubt Trump will catch one fish in this net. I am with Althouse. Trump should focus on doing great things. And some of Trump's clemency actions are pretty smelly. The Dems have destroyed the credibility of a generation of their politicians. Why give them fuel for counterattacks?
One of Jonathan Swift's jokes, that went on in print for a while. He presented as an astrologer named Bickerstaff, determined to save the reputation of the whole field of future prediction. Unfortunately, it is true of many practitioners, if not quite all, that they are cheats and liars who don't know anything about the future. He names a guy named Partridge--"the almanack maker," a real astrologer of the day. Among many other predictions, he says Partridge will die on a specific date, at a specific time, of a raging fever. The date comes and goes, and Bickerstaff says: I was right, Partridge has died. Partridge understandably responds: I'm not dead, and you are hurting my business. Bickerstaff is not fazed at all--he gives several proofs to show that Partridge is actually dead. Among the proofs: no living soul could ever come up with the crap that Partridge does, so Partridge must be dead. Only an automaton or body double would speak and act like Biden?
seriously, IF Joe Biden talked to the press; they Only need to ask a few questions:
do you know what today's date is?
do you know what city you are in?
name as many animals that start with the letter "B" that you can.
"And yet I rankle at the accusation that one is a conspiracy theorist — an outlandish conspiracy theorist! — to believe that there were these wrongs in the past."
It's down to the Ministry of Love with you! Room 101 is the first on the right! Someone will show you the way.
MSM for the past month: Biden was a vegetable who couldn’t do the job!
Also MSM: It’s outlandish to think that Biden wasn’t doing the job!
It’s a written statement because he can’t prove any of it. Given his awfully destructive presidency, you’d think he would claim he wasn’t competent - it was all other people’s fault. He did that for everything else.
We need some new conspiracy theories - all the old ones have proven to be true! (Russian collusion, lab-leak origin, Hunter’s laptop, Joe’s fading fitness…).
Trump is not bent on "revenge". He wants an investigation of what happened and if any laws were broken. Biden, can't go to jail for it, he's the "victim" or at least broke no laws that arent covered by presidential immunity.
Besides the rule that Presidents don't go after their predecessor is gone. The Democrats destroyed it, and they have no intention of abiding by it again.
"Sit him down for a serious interview with someone who will ask him about particular decisions and see if he recognizes them!" To be a proper test, the interview should use True/False and Multiple Choice questions, incuding options that did not occur. Maybe start by asking him the year in which he signed the pardons. Could be fun.
The abomination of the autopen aside, no pardon should be valid for crimes not specified or events that have yet to happen, nor for entire categories of convicts the individual circumstances of which could not possibly have been assessed by the pardon giver.
Biden himself is not among those put in legal jeopardy by this investigation.
"Let me be clear..."
Also this not not a Biden phrase.
There is another President who said this a lot and who seemed to have a lot of aides and cronies in high positions in the Biden administration.
Former Law Clerk is right. Trump has to get revenge on the Dems. That’s so they are discouraged from doing it again. Comey is on my list.
I think it would be interesting to ask him what he meant when he said that "Russia must be destroyed" to Lula.
"The mistake was made by Putin," [Lula said,] "when he decided to invade Ukraine. That is clear, and we have always said so: No country has the right to invade another's territory, especially when there are still possibilities for negotiation. But Western countries also bear some responsibility. Joe Biden, with whom I spoke at length, thought Russia needed to be destroyed." —Le Monde
We are stuck in a war that this doddering old fool dragged us into because he was stuck in the Cold War.
I bet that his "written statement" was signed with an autopen.
I wonder what percent of Americans will believe Biden's statement? 25%?
So then is Biden willing to take a cognitive test, without drugs in his system??? I doubt it.
Strange thing is Social Security REQUIRES ME TO HAVE SUCH A TEST EACH YEAR! Past 65 they give you one each year when you have your yearly checkup!!!!!
So where is Biden's???
One the one hand, nobody is fooled, but on the other hand, everybody is fooled. One is right, the other is left.
I am more concerned about the FBI’s lies regarding the investigation of Traditional Catholics.
Well, if Biden actually did say it, it must be true.
RCOCEAN II said...
Trump is not bent on "revenge". He wants an investigation of what happened and if any laws were broken. Biden, can't go to jail for it, he's the "victim" or at least broke no laws that arent covered by presidential immunity.
Besides the rule that Presidents don't go after their predecessor is gone. The Democrats destroyed it, and they have no intention of abiding by it again.
This is the same thing as civility bullshit at this point.
And Ann is demanding civility bullshit from one side and not the other because Ann knows the Democrats and the "Republican" Neocons and corrupt grifters will never abide by this.
We live in a new era. An outlandish era where conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts in about 3-6 months. Vive la différence!
Should a President use humor?
Reagan was good at telling jokes that made useful points. Jack Kennedy, whom you are probably too young to remember, Althouse, used humor effectively.
My wife was listening to that Hannity dope last night, and Dan Bongino was on - again. Dan was making with the Big Talk - all of the stuff they're uncovering and have almost released, it'll be any day now, just you wait. These daily appearances to tell us about the thrilling new Secret Files are going to torpedo this administration. Bongino, Patel, Bondi making asses out of themselves and all the rest who will listen. It's Geraldo and Al Capone's vault meets Ground Hog Day, all over again. Same with Trump to some degree, unfortunately. As tough as the system was on Trump, it will be even harder to prosecute and punish the worst offenders from the Biden administration. Shut up and I'll wait patiently to enthusiastically celebrate your actual accomplishments.
When you get older, you wake up every morning and start your day. And somewhere in that day it sometimes occurs to me to step back and wonder: Is this what I want to be doing? The older you get, the more you realize that precious aspect to time, that it is limited. What do I want to be doing with my remaining time?
"I'm suspicious of Biden's denial, but that doesn't mean I support the new President investigating the previous President."
Is Trump doing that? He's investigating who made these pardons if NOT Biden.
We don't know what Trump's motives are in this. I have heard "revenge" thrown around a lot, but only from folks who have an interest in painting it that way. He has a plausible and legitimate reason to investigate. He might be insincere and just hiding behind that, but we are unlikely to get any direct evidence. As for who destroyed the rule about going after predecessors, it is also my memory that presidents did it a bit slyly until Obama, who was blatant about it. Bill Clinton also did it in the context of his wife's campaign.
‘Let me be clear...’ is the people that ran Obama. They couldn’t be the same people running Biden, could they? 🥸
"I wish he'd concentrate on achieving great things, not raking over the wrongs of the past."
There's no reason he can't do both.
"In an executive order, Mr. Trump put the power and resources of the federal government to work examining whether some of Mr. Biden’s presidential actions were legally invalid because his aides had enacted those policies without his knowledge."
Shouldn't both sides, both Republican and Democrat, be concerned about unelected aides taking unauthorized and illegal actions? What's the harm in looking into it? If nobody has done anything wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of, right?
"all of the stuff they're uncovering and have almost released, it'll be any day now, just you wait."
No one knows what Dan Bongino knows! Turned out that that was literally true of Mueller, who was as senile as Joe Biden, and acted as a figurehead while others ran the persecution out of the glare of publicity.
If an investigation is being conducted fairly and in good faith, and not as a form of process punishment, then it's a good thing. It's obviously reasonable for people to question whether Biden had the time and mental acuity necessary to personally authorize each of his pardons and EOs. And it's also a matter of considerable civic importance. So let's investigate. Not investigating signals to other people in government that they can get away with anything.
I suspect the motive is to keep the other side in political check, Damocles style. of course nothing will come of it, none of their crimes will be prosecuted. See: James, Letitia
I used to be a conspiracy theorist about what the left was up to. Then all my conspiracies came true. So I'm now outta work.
Use of the autopen is fine so long as it is the president using it. It should not be constitutionally sound for the president to direct another person to use it on his behalf.
Ah the all purpose "conspiracy theorist" charge. It's hurled at anyone who deviates from the approved narrative. Let me remind the New York Times and others of that ilk that, on occasion, even paranoids have real enemies.
Let the Althouse commentariat be clear: Fuck Joe Biden - and the horse he rode in on.
I agree the Trump administration should move on and not perpetuate revenge persecutions against political enemies.
However, in the age of AI, using the auto pen documentation of Presidential executive actions and legislation approval should be illegal.
The string needs to be run out on the Auto pen use in the Biden administration to expose the depths of the machinations of the Biden administration staff and how much they did all on their own carrying around Bernie in an effort to put a face to their crackpot policies.
Sometimes the best evidence that there is a God is the jokes that seem to be played on us. Biden beat Bernie for the nomination by underhanded means, and yet Bernie was the president, it seems. Just not the same "Bernie." Just one huge joke on the people after another.
Biden is a lying, brain-dead pony soldier.
"If you believe I'm a lying, brain-dead pony soldier, THEN YOU AIN'T BLACK!"
"Outlandish conspiracy theories"
This from the paper that supported Mike Nifong...
Trump's first campaign team was investigated and spied upon as Russian puppets before he even entered office. A member of his national security team wqs arrested for supposedly lying to a bureaucrat. He was called a traitor. His supporters were put in prison as insurrectionist. He and his personal confidants were investigated and put on trial for RICO as President. His lawyers were stripped of attorney client privilege and in some cases disbarred. He survived two assassination attempts. But it is all just a theory of some conspiracy against him.
Don't forget when they seized all of the phones and computers of his impeachment lawyer, and paupered him for speech that they considered "libel" Not to mention, that they arrested for treason in Ukraine people who talked to him about Joe Biden's corruption, since protecting Joe Biden's political career was deemed as essential to Ukraine's future, well, Zelensky's future anyway, and we all know from the Pandora Papers how well Zelensky does off of all of the aid that comes into that country.
They will just wheel Biden out to read such a statement when actually needed. This was always the problem with trying to investigate the auto-pen signings- you really can't prove Biden wasn't the one making the decisions. It won't even matter is you put two lists in front of Biden- List 1 with pardons he is claimed to have made and List 2 with pardons he didn't make- Biden could misidentify 100% of the time and it won't matter since he can just claim to be an old man with a poor memory.
@Yancey Ward, Biden is our Uncle Leo Seinfeld getting caught stealing batteries, "Which one'd I sign? Oh right this one! I'm an old man! I'm confused!"
Remember this outlandish conspiracy theory published by the NYT in 2018?
“An op-ed by columnist Thomas Friedman titled, "Donald Trump is either an asset of Russian intelligence or really enjoys playing one on TV."
I understand Trump's motive of revenge, but I wish he'd concentrate on achieving great things, not raking over the wrongs of the past.
@Althouse, IMAO one of the “great things” Trump needs to accomplish is to bring an end to lawfare. Can you see a way to stop it without bankrupting and incarcerating Al Bragg, Letitia James, and Fani Willis? Biden’s career may (thankfully) be at an end, but can lawfare be ended without destroying the careers of the people around Biden who pushed lawfare on Trump and his associates? If you see a way, Professor, please enlighten us.
Oh, and it has not escaped my notice that lawfare could not happen without the active support of many judges. They must be punished.
Outlaw the autopen. Why do we need it?
Fuck the autopen!
In an executive order, Mr. Trump put the power and resources of the federal government to work examining whether some of Mr. Biden’s presidential actions were legally invalid because his aides had enacted those policies without his knowledge.
How is this not defending "our democracy"?
I don't think "Fuck the autopen" needs a "let me be clear."
But all serious people now start their sentences with a "let me be clear."
So let me be clear.
Fuck the autopen!
The nice thing about vulgarity is that people understand you.
Good rule of thumb is that whatever follows "Let me be clear..." is almost always a lie, usually a carefully crafted one.
...and Jamie had made already said this in the first comment on the thread. Doh!
"Let me be clear: I made the decisions during my presidency. I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation and proclamations," said Joe Biden.
He’d say this if it was true, and he’d say it even faster if it was a lie. The Times would say he said it even if he didn’t.
Howard said...
I agree the Trump administration should move on and not perpetuate revenge persecutions against political enemies.
This is wrong for 2 reasons:
1. This is obviously a one way street. The DC Uniparty has already thrown their political opponents in jail and persecuted them for non-crimes.
2. You cannot tolerate injustice unless you want more injustice.
If you want a system where a cabal can stand up a puppet and throw one side in jail, start a bunch of wars and steal trillions in taxpayer dollars and get away with it then go live in a different country.
If you want us to treat the people who have been destroying our country and persecuting us as if that is ok get fucked.
It is time for the corrupt neocons who sent me and my friends to wars based on lies to get fucked.
It is time for the corrupt looters and grifters who have stolen trillions of taxpayer dollars and looted the social security/medicare programs to get fucked.
It is time for the people who ran the largest government in the world and joined forces with the largest corporations in the world to implement a censorship scheme to get fucked.
I am also going to add that this same cabal tried to kill President Trump multiple times.
This cannot be allowed.
Yancey Ward has identified the right way to handle the pardon fiasco: hold a hearing in which Biden is asked, about each pardon: "Did you intend to pardon X, because we think a rogue aide got to the autopen?"Unbeknownst to Biden, mix into the stack a whole bunch of people whom he didn't pardon. At the end reveal that he is and has been a dementia patient.
As KJP used to say (over and over and over), Saint Croix "has been very clear...."
and Jamie had made already said this
It is hard to be first with a good thought with the hostess along with Kate and Jamie in the comments.
The cleanup after the floods is something that should happen, ought to happen, but... do you restore the town to its condition before the flood? Or do you make changes to ensure that flooding doesn't happen again? Don't forget, there's only a few months before flood season comes around again.
That's the problem: The Federal Government is huge and massively powerful, and one is tempted to think that All Things are Possible. But as it turns out, there are limits - and a lot of a new administration's time is often wasted learning how the reins work. The key is understanding the limits and budgeting the allocated time and resources responsibly, and making the best use of time.
Yes, it all happened, yes it's galling. Make sure the b*stards never do it again by making changes that render it impossible for anybody next time, not exacting vengeance on those that did it last time.
Biden and all democrats/fbi/cia/ etc that assisted in the lawfare need to be investigated to the fullest extent of the law. If need be make up laws as that seems to be the standard. No mercy at all. They did the crime, they need to pay. As we continue to be told. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Only by doing this is there a chance in hell that the lawfare stops.
I'm so torn.
A new, if remote, possibility has just occurred to me: what if Biden knew, I'd say during the 2020 primary season, that his mind was failing, and while still more compos mentis than not, directed his team to take the reins? Because "our democracy" was at stake? (Of course I don't believe for a moment that Biden believed "our democracy" was at stake - he'd just want his side, and especially his family, to retain power. But I can see the possibility that he would sell the con to his young proteges that way, or alternatively that because in DC you never know who's going to leak, they'd all use this formulation with a good wink-wink.)
That possibility makes me want Biden to be pressed on all these points - the use of the autopen, who was pardoned, what EOs he actually knew about, etc. You never know when he might have a moment of unfortunate honesty and clarity.
But if he is in fact dying (you know, more quickly than if he didn't have Stage 4 cancer that he nonetheless says isn't in any other organ), and instead of directing that the con take place was himself collateral damage (and is still being used by these people, as in this "statement"), then I'd rather let him be and go after the perps.
The statement must be believed because Biden signed it — with an autopen.
Big Mike, said,
"He’d say this if it was true, and he’d say it even faster if it was a lie. The Times would say he said it even if he didn’t."
That's the whole point innit. Since it's impossible to determine if he said it. Or if someone else put it there for him to say. Or if it is simply made up. The ship of veracity has been long over the horizon where Biden and the Democrats are concerned.
Magic 8 ball says.........total bullshit.
The search of Melania Trump's bedroom was a step to far. The Biden team and Biden family should be investigated for everything.
“Outlandish conspiracy theories”? The only thing left to lament about the decline of the NYT, is that there may be people in this country ignorant enough to believe this leftmedia bullshit.
"I'm suspicious of Biden's denial, but that doesn't mean I support the new President investigating the previous President."
He's not investigating the previous President. He is investigating the previous President's dirtbag aides who took advantage of the previous President's incapacity to hijack the office.
"His denial that things were done by others using his name is another thing that might have been done by others using his name!'
Exactly! (In fact, there's no proof that it might have been the same people who might have written documents and signed his name to them in the past. They might be very worried about being prosecuted for forgery.)
Here's how cynical I've become: Not only should we ban the autopen, we should have the president announce what he is signing while he is signing it and video that for the record for it to be valid.
- outlandish conspiracy theories - like "Joe's fine."
Wasn’t the Hunter laptop said to be an outlandish conspiracy theory?
Speaking of outlandish conspiracy theories. link to outlandish meme
Everybody knows that Biden could not possibly do the work to understand all those pardons, frankly nobody could, but especially him, so is it legal to delegate such pardoning to others, unelected, undisclosed others? Imagine if Trump had the DOGE team do that for him. The cacophony would be deafening, and judges would pop up from every corner with injunctions.
Outlandish is my new favorite adjetive.
All this talk about outland in "outlandish". This 'Out-Land' sounds like a pretty cool and happening place where tons of smart people that can see the future live. Outlanders are ahead of the curve, and I want to visit Outland, be outlandish with the Outlanders, and subscribe to their newspaper.
RCOCEAN II said...
Besides the rule that Presidents don't go after their predecessor is gone. The Democrats destroyed it, and they have no intention of abiding by it again.
6/5/25, 8:04 AM
The Rats honestly think "Leave Joe Biden Alone!" is going to work on literally anyone after the election theft, lawfare, and assassination attempts. Well, tough. You people created this monster. It was entirely possible to have eight years of a relatively mild pro-America president. But you failed to kill Orange Julius, and now he has become the destroyer you always feared he would be. Many of you Rats will be lucky to escape with your lives.
"... we should have the president announce what he is signing while he is signing it and video that for the record for it to be valid."
I seem to remember a President doing that recently. Very transparently, even an explanation of each one, but of course that's not possible. Probably just a dream I had, "maybe an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato."
@bagoh20, channeling Ebenezer Scrooge...nice, but Biden's potato was so underdone he doesn't even rise to comparison w/ curmudgeon even though the miser got his 10%.
The scene is The Princess Bride "battle of wits".
Where is the poison pen?
Will we drink from the autopen that is in front of Biden?
Or, from the autopen that is in front of Biden's staff?
"all I have to do is divine from what I know of you"
"Let me be clear: I made the decisions during my presidency. I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation and proclamations," said Joe Biden.
Note the ambiguity. "...THE pardons, executive orders, legislation and proclamations." All of them, Joe? Or just some of them? (I think that it is very unlikely that Joe is referring to ALL such matters emanating from his office--so the ambiguity seems to be deliberate. I wonder why? No, I don't.)
When someone is indicted and raises presidential pardon as a defense, what is their burden of proof? If they just point to a document labeled “Pardon” is that enough to shift the burden to the prosecution to show that the purported pardon is invalid, or does the burden stay with the defense?
of course, the thing is:
NO ONE actually voted for "Joe Biden"
they voted for The Democrat Establishment
NO ONE wanted "Joe Biden" making ANY decisions, about ANY THING.
They WANTED The Democrat Establishment to make those decisions.
The fact that a two hundred year old scrap of paper said that there Had to Be an actual PERSON running the country was as irrelevant as the fact that MILLIONS of those voters did not Actually exist.
Y'all NEED to get with The Times!
Paul,
I think somebody's been lying to you.
Donald Trump doesn’t use the autopen because he is a robot, and at the moment he is not responding to Elon Musk’s programming.
Recently - and it may have been here at Althouse - there was discussion of SMUGNESS in politics. Where once people wanted to win, now they want to crush their opponent AND force the opponent to acknowledge their "superiority". Was it possible that Biden could defeat Trump in 2020? Absolutely. Why did 6 states suddenly declare a suspension of vote counting late on election night when Trump was in the lead? Why, when coverage of vote counting resumed in the morning, Trump was no longer in the lead? It would seem to me vote counting had actually continued in the interim. So you take a vote that could have gone either way, make a radical change in the process, and scream insults at anyone who cares to question it. The actual vote could have gone either way but the theatrics around the vote call into question it's veracity. Within months we get an explanation from Time magazine about the shadow campaign to "save" the election funded by 40 million from a tech billionaire. (Here's where the smugness comes in)The TIME magazine article was necessary to let people know the brilliance of the plotters.
Had they let things take their course. Donald Trump would not be President today. He would have stumbled his way through his second term constantly the target of lawfare from hi opponents. Trump instead regrouped, laid out a course of action, an worked his plan. Now he may fundamentally change the USA in ways the 2020 plotters could not even imagine.
Ooh, that's a real burner from Left Bank!
Too bad there is no "air quotes" emoji.
It's always "move on" from looking at Democrat malfeasance and on to the next gambit against Republicans, even if, like Russiagate, it's known by the intelligence agencies within a day that it was made up by the Clinton campaign, *AND* she reported it as a legal expense, rather than a campaign expense, which would have landed a Trump associate in prison, she was just given a nominal fine. It's a big club...
Question him. If he was president making all of the decisions, why did he not sign them himself? He broke trust, reason, and tradition. Why the autopen on all these important documents?
We are left in the ever-widening abyss of his malfeasance.
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Time to drop the really big bomb:
@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.
Have a nice day, DJT!
My president’s a vegetable
He lives above the White House pool
And I would do anything
To keep him alive
He prefers stimulants to coke
That stuff is Hunter’s trope.
And I would do anything
To keep him alive.
My president’s got color TV
It’s called an EKG
And I would do anything
To keep him alive
Sometimes I like to joke
Pull the plug and watch him choke
And I would do anything
To keep his clone alive
"@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files."
I've been waiting 2 weeks for the Trump/Epstein bombshell people like gadfly have been marketing for the last 8 years. Any day now...
Just yell "shave and a haircut 2 bits" to get people to care more about your nothingburger.
A guy whose big decision was when to take a nap made all the decisions? Pull the other leg Joe.
It’s amusing how childlike you all are, how deeply you want to believe this shiny new thing Means Something. The Supreme Court said (in a ruling highly favorable to Trump) that executive pardon power is absolute and therefore not subject to regulation (whether by courts, legislatures, or future executives). Any inquiry into the mechanics of Biden’s pardons will be met with stonewalling by Biden’s staff that will be upheld by the Supreme Court. Presidents have used autopens to sign legislation for more than twenty years; the Supreme Court is not about to reverse all that law in pursuit of some eighteenth-century vision of quill-pen purity. Simply put, you’re being played.
"Yes, it all happened, yes it's galling. Make sure the b*stards never do it again by making changes that render it impossible for anybody next time, not exacting vengeance on those that did it last time."
Being held accountable for illegal acts (surely, the autopen isn't provided so that anyone who wants can pass laws and issue pardons) is hardly enacting vengeance.
One way to help insure there isn't a "next time" is for there to be significant consequences this time.
One of the smartest people on Twitter is Walter Kirn (@walterkirn). Here's the best of his several tweets on the Trump-Musk kerfuffle (link):
"Well I guess Trump has no choice now but to release those Epstein files, no matter WHO it hurts!
Even if it brings down foreign gov'ts.
Even if it ruins former presidents.
Even if...
Etc
See where I'm going here?
(Private jets fueling up now all over the place.)"
RideSpaceMountain:
My post was a repost of what Elon put on his social media. It would seem that you don't read well, which makes you a perfect Trump supporter.
There are White House logs, aren't there, which describe what the President was doing pretty much every minute? Wouldn't they solve the problem? It is OK for the President to direct someone to use the autopen but then the question becomes when and how did Biden direct someone to use the autopen.For example, when did Biden read the files on the huge number of pardons he issued late in his administration and then when did he direct someone to use the autopen? When was a given bill presented to him as the Constitution requires and who did he direct to use the autopen to sign it? Is it imaginable that he just shouted out "Will somebody go use the autopen to sign this important bill, pardon, or executive order which I have carefully read and which the Constitution requires I sign before it becomes law but though I carefully read it myself, I'm not in the mood to sign it myself, I never am as you all know, now get to it!"
Move on. org - resurfaces. The Democrat playbook. A history:
2001 - why are we wasting time of Bill Clintons mistakes and possible crimes. Who cares? Move on!
2021 - why arent we putting Trump in Jail? Why aren't we investigating every mistake and possible Crime? Hang 'em High!
2025 - why are we wasting time of Joe Biden's mistakes and possible crimes. Who cares? Move on!
"Sometimes I like to joke
Pull the plug and watch him choke
And I would do anything
To keep his clone alive"
Ha. Is it Joe Biden or is it Memorex?
How to tell if its Joe Biden's Clone.
Investigator: Did you march will MLK? Did you get an offer to play in the NFL? Did you graduate at the top of your Law School class? Did your son Beau die in battle? Did you sign all those executive orders?
Answer: C'mon man. Of course not. That's Malarky.
Investigator: We've found the clone.
Why did 6 states suddenly declare a suspension of vote counting late on election night when Trump was in the lead? Why, when coverage of vote counting resumed in the morning, Trump was no longer in the lead?
Careful now. Or else you'll have Freder on here saying none of that actually happened.
The Trump is Epstein files is funny. Of course he is. There are police reports with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein's name both appearing in the report. The FBI should have those reports on file. Now Botfly, do you know what those reports say?
RideSpaceMountain said...
Just yell "shave and a haircut 2 bits" to get people to care more about your nothingburger.
6/5/25, 2:27 PM
Also relevant for gadfly, the Mexican insult replaces "shave and a haircut 2 bits" with "Chinga tu madre, cabrón".
Didn’t see the whole statement, but I am curious. If he not only wanted to be clear, but also gave his word as a Biden, that would settle things for me completely.
"Let me be fucking clear" = super clarity
So what if Biden can not identify what he actually signed and what was signed w/o his knowledge. His condition is one where, while there are good days and bad, the path is DOWNWARD.
Biden could blow every response if he were ever questioned. Then the Politburo could say, poor ol' Joe has really gotten worse since pardon season.
How do you prove otherwise?
Having a Non compos mentis husk of a President with ambitious staff the auto pen is a new twist. Maybe there should be an investigation of who controlled the autopen when W was the front man for Dick and Don.
Let me be clear, Democrats don't care who signed the pardons, executive orders, or judge nominations, just so long as it wasn't Trump. It could have been Satan or Hunter, and that's just fine.
If you actually look at what the Supreme Court said about the autopen you'll see that they focused on the INTENT of the President. Obama could be in Hawaii and instruct an aide back in D.C. to put Obama's signature on the E.O. or legislation or whatever (by the way, I think this same idea of the intent of the lawfully designated agent is why disrupting the counting of the Electoral College votes was meaningless in terms of actually changing who would become President).
Now maybe the Court would say "We just have to take their word for it" that Biden had intent to sign those pardons, E.O.s, etc. but it would be a pretty big stretch from the trivial matter of whose hand touched pen to paper to the much more serious issue that someone was usurping the President's powers because the President was a dementia patient.
If you actually look at what the Supreme Court said about the autopen you'll see that they focused on the INTENT of the President. Obama could be in Hawaii and instruct an aide back in D.C. to put Obama's signature on the E.O. or legislation or whatever (by the way, I think this same idea of the intent of the lawfully designated agent is why disrupting the counting of the Electoral College votes was meaningless in terms of actually changing who would become President).
Now maybe the Court would say "We just have to take their word for it" that Biden had intent to sign those pardons, E.O.s, etc. but it would be a pretty big stretch from the trivial matter of whose hand touched pen to paper to the much more serious issue that someone was usurping the President's powers because the President was a dementia patient.
Biden should be tested on list of executive orders, pardons, and proclamations, real and fake, and asked whether said document was executed by HIM. Have Hur do it; he has experience gently interviewing a befuddled old man.
“Sit him down for a serious interview with someone who will ask him about particular decisions and see if he recognizes them!”
Do you realize the volume of what would have to be remembered? President Biden signed 162 executive orders, 242 presidential memoranda, 725 proclamations, 152 notices, 80 pardons, and 4,165 clemencies.
Give the same test to Donald Trump. If he gets all the answers right, or even a substantial percentage, that will prove he is a robot.
If you actually look at what the Supreme Court said about the autopen you'll see that they focused on the INTENT of the President. Obama could be in Hawaii and instruct an aide back in D.C. to put Obama's signature on the E.O. or legislation or whatever
Okay, one, it's ridiculous for people to insist that we need an autopen because laws or executive orders have to be done right now this instant. What law or E.O. cannot wait for the president to be back at his desk? This insistence on speed has opened the door to fraud.
I would take issue with the Supremes. Intent is important, but it's not the sole issue. There is also the action, the actual signing, that's important. And they have opened the door to fraud by saying the actual signing is not important.
Here's why I think there should be an investigation. If the autopen usage coincides with Biden being out of D.C., then we might give his signature a presumption of validity. Because that's the only reason to use an autopen -- you are way out of town.
But if Biden is in D.C. when these autopen signatures happened, what the fuck? We should investigate that shit and start arresting people. And let them call Biden as a witness if they want to. He's mentally incompetent and will not be a credible witness at all.
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