Said the Brazilian comedian, Leo Lins, quoted in "Brazilian comedian sentenced to 8 years in prison for ‘bigoted’ jokes/The ruling against comedian Leo Lins for jokes told in 2022 is shaping up as the next front in Brazil’s escalating struggle over freedom of expression" (WaP0).
From the judge who imposed that 8-year sentence: "Freedom of expression is not absolute nor unlimited.... When there is a confrontation between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity and judicial equality, the latter should win out."
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so,
this "comedian" was breaking into people's houses..
tying people up and FORCING them to listen to his offensive "jokes" ?
He SHOULD be in prison! That is JUST EVIL!!!!
wait.. What?
Where was he telling these jokes? WHO was he telling them to?
i'm not entirely Sure, that i understand?
Leaving the absurdity of putting someone in jail for comedy, I'm struck by the draconian nature of the sentence. 8 years in jail for a comedy routine that hurt "feelings"? That's insane. I thought the UK woman who got 3 years for a tweet was Stalinist and insane, but this is even worse.
We've recently had cases in the USA where people committing 2nd degree murder have gotten less than 10 years.
This is the repression the Left will bring to the USA, if it can. I believe it inevitably shall
I’m uncertain of the origins of Brazilian totalitarianism. Is this home grown or imported from Davos?
BTW, the USA doesn't "value free speech" since we hate crime laws, and speech codes on every campus, even though that receive almost all their funding directly/indirectly from the Government. Not to mention the ADL will try to bankrupt you if you try to run a true "Free speech" media platform. Go ask Elon Musk.
The judge's statement seems like a word salad. Was it translated?
Leftists do so much dumb shit, they constantly have to re-name themselves. That happened to Woke really quickly. I suspect Progressive is the next name that's going to have to be abandoned. This moron in Brazil is going back in time, arresting Lenny Bruce in the 1960's. Maybe you ought to call yourselves the Reactionaries.
from the article..
"the comedian warned the audience that he wasn’t going to hold back."
"..wrote Judge Barbara de Lima Iseppi in her decision. “When there is a confrontation between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity and judicial equality, the latter should win out.”
followup question:
how many people in Britain were imprisoned for social
media posts?
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arrests-a-day-for-offensive-online-messages-zbv886tqf
In Brazil, they have true Judicial tryanny with their Supreme Court more or less running the country. I dunno why everyone puts up with it. There's no reason to give Judges unlimited power. Zero. But I seem to be the only one who thinks so.
Leftists are humorless.
Progressive already had to be abandoned once and they started calling themselves liberals, but then they decided to bring it back.
Given that punishing people for speech is raw tyranny, why is it when the media report that someone told an "offensive joke" or uttered a "racist slur" or used "racially charged" or "insensitive" language, they never ever tell us what was actually said so we can judge for ourselves?
Begley forgets every comment he has made recently about SNL, calls people humorless.
Takes one to know one, eh Davey?
Did he get extra time because the jokes weren’t any good?
Does this mean you can’t tell jokes in Brazilian steakhouses in the US.
More judges should be pulled from the ranks of comedians.
Mark: There’s no disputing taste!
Mocking them as old-fashioned and out of date is probably the best way to attack liberals, who want more than anything to be thought of as modern.
The urge to punish speakers who irritate you is a very old, fascist urge. Our Free Speech clause marks us as the world's first liberal democracy. You backwards fuckers who get mad at words, and want to lock people in cages because they said things, you are an assault on civilization and a danger to us all.
See also how Europe is now disrespecting elections and the right to vote. People who don't like speakers also do not like voters. They are fascist as fuck.
Mark quickly proves Begley right.
In Brazil, they have true Judicial tryanny with their Supreme Court more or less running the country
That’s supposed to be happening here. If not for Hillary…I couldn’t understand the emotion from the minions the night she lost. We chalk it up to arrogance and/or bad polls or something. I’ve come to believe the mismatched emotion was some part they thought the fix was in and some part they knew their plan for scotus to backstop their totalitarian plans was put on hold indefinitely…
The ruling was handed down in a lower court, in São Paulo, but he won't get any mercy in Brazil's Supreme Court, where Judge Dredd, er, Alexandre de Moraes, is known as they guy who effectively censored Glenn Greenwald and Elon Musk some months ago. Google his picture, if you dare. He's creepy, a hero of the Left, and the guy who ensured Lula's return to the Presidency.
Here's the picture the judge chose for her Instagram. She looks crazy AF.
https://www.instagram.com/drabarbaraiseppi/
Bob Boyd and Mark:
I’m opposed to jailing anyone for jokes; funny or not.
If you really wanted to punish a comedian you'd sentence him or her to work exclusively at SNL for eight years.
Welp, I guess that cancel's Andrew Dice Clay's Brazil tour.
I had to go to Cracked.com, of all places, to get the complete story. He did a comedy special that targeted "Black people, obese people, elderly people, people with HIV, homosexuals, evangelicals, Indigenous communities, people from the impoverished northeast of Brazil, Jews and people with disabilities." Sample joke (bear in mind that it is a translation, probably funnier in the native language) - "I’m fat! I love eating and hate working out. How am I going to lose weight? Get AIDS! Don’t you love eating everything? Go sleep with unprotected gay men! It’ll work eventually!”
A second court ordered that the special be removed from YouTube, and noted that this dissemination - more than 3 million views - was an "aggravating factor."
Seems like 3 million people thought it was pretty darned funny and should weigh against prison.
As defined by judges. Will change next week. Rise up.
I certainly hope no Brazilian comedian makes an ass of himself by telling a Brazilian Butt Lift® joke!
"The United States is the only country in the world that truly values freedom of speech."
Bullshit. The Biden Administration literally created a Department of Censorship, a military program it called the Global Engagement Center to censor American news stories such as the Hunter Biden laptop story.
It also created the "Disinformation Governance Board" ... a thinly-disguised DHS censorship program. Pressure on Social Media companies to censor legitimate news was routinely occurring in most Democrat administrations and might still be occurring today.
I'm still trying to find out what "the jokes" were. No luck so far.
Mocking the Left doesn't accomplish anything. Its part of the problem with the Right. Oh, lets not get upset and fight them, lets sit back on the sidelines and use "mockery". LOL. The left does not give a good Goddamn what the "Right" thinks or says. Anymore than Stalin cared what the Kulacks or the Bourgeoisie thought.
But its more of the Right's pipe dream "We'll not fight and still win"
According to Grok here are the "Jokes:
. "Losing your virginity is easier, just reach the cow's butt" (zoophilia).
2. "If someone says 'a rape' it's heavy. 'A little rape,' it's funny" (sexual abuse).
3. "In slavery times, you were born an employee and also found it bad" (racism).
4. "Everyone talks about the problems the fat person suffers, no one talks about the problems the fat person causes" (fatphobia).
They probably lose something in translation
It's always about "dignity" with fascists, isn't it. That's their favorite term to justify the boot on the other guy's neck.
Where is the humanity in sentencing someone to prison for eight years for something recognized as a joke from words only? Did someone else get punished for be insulted, because if not, where is the judicial equality? What is being equalized here?
I miss the days of calling people Kikes, Coons, Wops, Micks, Spics, WASPS, Wetbacks, Chinks, Boogies, Nips, Slopes, Pakis, Camel Jockeys, Hebes, Towelheads, Sand N...., Dagos, Greaseballs, Beaners, Redskins, Squaws, Yids, Charlies, Crackers, and Whiteys. And of course, N....
We would be called something. Let it roll off our back, then reply with our own insult to their ancestry. And we'd get back to playing baseball.
Such sensitive people around the world today.
I told my blond neighbor that a guy was put in prison for telling a Brazilian offensive jokes, and she asked, "How many is a bazillion?"
Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry)? #HateLovesAbortion
"I'm in with the in crowd. I know what the in crowd knows."
"Not our kind, dear."
"We have to fight fascists."
"Deplorables."
"Shut up," she explained.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
C.S. Lewis would get at least 8 years in a Brazilian prison for that.
A macroaggression? Like a microaggression. Cancelled... I mean, off with his head... abort, sequester, that back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP, now. That little "burden".
The jester's folly.
Just what the world needs: a Brazilian waxing politically correct from the bench.
It looks like the judge got her head caught sideways in an olive press. https://x.com/SantiagoDLNWS/status/1930461994114580576
I’m here all week. Remember to tip your waitress.
We cannot judge unless we hear the jokes.
Here is the video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGoUAC8H5Dk
You have to enable English subtitles. I have heard much more inflammatory jokes from mainstream US comedians.
He spoke a joke and now he's framed as Kramer.
A back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP marks the intersection between racism and sexism.
American Civil Liberties Unburdened marks the intersection between life and death.
DEI marks the intersection between color and class bigotry... and then they brayed... hee haw.
Intersectional humor.
How many Brazilian prosecutors does it take to change a lightbulb?
Mark, you just proved David Begley correct. I am always amazed at how un-self-aware progressives are.
Universal Leftists have no problem with jailing people over speech they don't like.
Judge, ". . . between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity and judicial equality, the latter should win out."
They are just gonna LOVE Islam.
The gay times transition with a somber parade.
Leftists are falling all over themselves over their love affair with the illegal who resides illegally in Maryland. Also - they are re- writing history in real time about their past statements about Abrego Garcia. Morphing into - 'yeah - well - due process only applies to illegals!... and you have no proof! and that's not the point and and and...'
We don't hate the democrat party media hacks, enough.
SE Cup is a leftist now? Gross. Another creepy Kristol-Cheney sellout(D)
A joke that falls flat is its own punishment. This I know from multiple experiences, and it is inhibiting. This comedian is not being inhibited by his audiences. In fact,they're paying money to hear his jokes. Therefore it was necessary for the state to step in and provide the necessary inhibitions........If a joke crosses a certain line, it dies a painful death and the comedian along with it. If a joke, presses against that certain line, the comedy is enhanced. If W.C. Fields actually drop kicked one of those ugly babies he was always bitching about, it would not draw a laugh. Well, maybe if the baby wore a MAGA hat, some audiences would cheer, but, by and large, most people find the kicking of babies offensive......We appreciate comics who know how to go up to that line and dance upon it. That's where the artistry is.
China is Brazil's number one trade partner. Brazil is headed towards the other side.
If the accusation relating to Epstein is true against Trump, why wouldn't the Biden administration have used it? They had a pretty low standard of what they'd use. Why not use that? The inference is that the charge is unfounded.
Why make a big deal about it now and not wait to see the evidence? Again, you're raising an inference that the charge won't pan out. You have to have your jollies now, because they won't be available later.
And shame on anyone who's getting off on the idea of raping children.
"When there is a confrontation between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity and judicial equality, the latter should win out."
Well, at least she didn't try to claim it had anything to do with the law.
There are a lot of people with character disturbance on this blog, running amok undiagnosed, "on the spectrum."
“…principles of human dignity and judicial equality“
Do mildly vulgar fart 💨 jokes shatter principles of human dignity? I can’t even imagine what kind of humor shatters “judicial equality”.
"between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity"
Failure to understand what "fundamental" means.
"Temujin said...
I miss the days of calling people Kikes, Coons, Wops, Micks, Spics, WASPS, Wetbacks, Chinks, Boogies, Nips, Slopes, Pakis, Camel Jockeys, Hebes, Towelheads, Sand N...., Dagos, Greaseballs, Beaners, Redskins, Squaws, Yids, Charlies, Crackers, and Whiteys. And of course, N...."
White Paddyy, White Paddy, you don't shine..
If the accusation relating to Epstein is true against Trump, why wouldn't the Biden administration have used it?
For sake of debate, I’ve thought about this question. I can conceive of an issue of releasing evidence against Trump that would open the door to evidence they wouldn’t want to release. That could be about other “johns”, such as Prince Andrew, or the conspiracy that Epstein was an American Intelligence asset. Those reasons combined with other lawfare suits that were expected to be successful would be enough to just junk all the Epstein evidence, as that seemed to be the preference of the last 6 years of DOJ investigation on Epstein (and really still occurring).
They haven't come after Trump over the Epstein material because they desperately need to keep that can of worms shut tight. Not only are many Democrats also compromised, the blackmail material is useless once it is public. Why else are both parties in congress so useless?
A joke can be a lure with an empathetic bait.
Pedophilia is a queer sexual orientation legal under Democratic law and a virtuous signal of Diversity, equivocation and indoctrination.
Under Bolsonaro, there was a check on the RCC the leading Brazilian gang, under hang man Moraes there are other priorities,
this same judge had seen fit to jail lula for corruption charges, related to operation carwash, a big kerfluffle which involved everyone including mark Carney's own bank at one point,
That Epstein matter seems to be a bigger political third rail than pledging to cut social security.
Here's a buck, Mark. You know what to do with it.
AA, "And shame on anyone who's getting off on the idea of raping children."
I agree with you Ann, but today's Dem party thinks this is the New Frontier for "civil" rights. The insane notion that kids have the ability to approve sex changes is of the same school. The Dems want to drive the age of consent down to serve their perverted fantasies and immorality.
what is that cozy acronym, they came up with Man Attracted Person, zounds of Gomorrah,
"If the accusation relating to Epstein is true against Trump, why wouldn't the Biden administration have used it? They had a pretty low standard of what they'd use. Why not use that? The inference is that the charge is unfounded."
People MAY have forgotten that the original reason for exposing Epstein was to "Get Trump". The scandal had been buried for years by the Federal Attorney with cognizance. It resurfaced because the D's thought he was a Trump ally and they had the goods.
It led to Epstein finally being arrested. And committing suicide. If they had more concrete evidence that Trump was involved it would've been released then. And it certainly - one hundred percent Goddamn Sure - would have been released under Biden.
I saw Full Metal Jacket in a theater when young. Leftwing Stanley Kubrick left in the Sgt. harmann Line: "I do not look down on Ngers, kikes, wops, or greasers. To me you are all equally worthless".
The theater errupted in laughter. Including my Hispanic buddy (not Mexican). But the whole DI monolog had the whole audience, mostly men, in stitches. Wonder how that would play today?
Last comment. I showed the Video tape of "FMJ" to be girlfriend as part of a "We'll watch what you choose, and then we'll watch something you like" deal. She made me turn it off after "Gomer Pyle" gets hit by the other marines for making them suffer. She couldn't take the abuse of Gomer Pyle. Which showed her to be a nice person, and a bad film critic.
“ When there is a confrontation between the fundamental precept of liberty of expression and the principles of human dignity and judicial equality, the latter should win out."
Eight years in prison for bigoted jokes? That would never happen here—when did the Brazilians get ahead of us on
wokeism? We have to catch up! Repeal the First Amendment!
The last time worldwide tyranny rolled around, it was the leadership of a handful of nations that agreed to persecute certain ethnic groups, with some of them bent on extermination. This time, it's a double handful of nations and they're hellbent on the elimination of free speech - first and foremost. Populations are no longer growing as they once were, so the limits of resources can no longer be claimed as the reason to need total control. But once Free Speech is gone, anything and everything else goes.
I find it really interesting how the people of those nations don't see the problem.
RCOCEAN II said...
""If the accusation relating to Epstein is true against Trump, why wouldn't the Biden administration have used it?"
That's how you know it's bullshit. If they had it they would have used it.
I waded through a long list of the flight logs and the vast majority of those flights don't go any where near the Island.
The precept of human dignity and judicial equality are means of ignoring inherent, fundamental individual rights, and infringing upon them. Get a rope.
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