“All planes are now outside of Iran air space,” he said in a post on social media, adding that a “full payload” of bombs had been dropped on Fordo, the heavily fortified underground facility in Iran that is critical to its nuclear program. “All planes are safely on their way home.”
June 21, 2025
“American warplanes dropped bombs on three nuclear sites in Iran on Saturday, President Trump announced on Saturday night, bringing the U.S. military directly into the war after days of uncertainty about whether he would intervene.”
Posts
252 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 252 of 252“I think that this is the first thing that Nurse Ratchet has ever said that I agree with.“
Wishful thinking. You and she agreed on forcing people to mask, keeping schools closed, and universal mandatory jabs.
I would describe this situation as symmetrical asymmetric warfare. Asymmetric war is when a country uses guerilla war or terrorism against a country whose army is too strong to fight directly. and symmetrical asymmetric war is when a country uses its strong armed forces in an asymmetric way against an asymmetric foe. If Iran arms terrorists to massacre civilians indiscriminately with rockets without declaring war, then carefully, discriminatingly shoot the generals of the Iran army units arming the terrorists without declaring war. If Iranian scientists and generals are developing nuclear weapons but not in a symmetrical arms race but in an asymmetric secret way, what rule says the only thing one can do is declare war on the Iranian people before stopping that development? Why not symmetrically be asymmetric and shoot the scientists and generals developing the weapons and blow up the weapons sites using all the power of armed forces but power focused like a laser on the asymmetric paymasters and nuclear scientists. Then, leave it at that without insisting on declaring war and attacking the Iranian people. They don't have much to say about what their country does, so why involve them?
Zelenskyy is asking where’s my bunker buster?
"Wishful thinking. You and she agreed on forcing people to mask, keeping schools closed, and universal mandatory jabs."
No, I said early on that there was some evidence that masks worked, and there was, though it became plain that if that was ever true, the virus had evolved beyond it. I doubt I said that schools should be closed, beyond maybe the first couple weeks while we got our bearings on this new man-made virus designed to infect humans. What I did say was that teachers who were old enough to be at risk should probably resign, and I never said that anybody should be forced to take the jab, as it was experimental, and forcing children to take it was unconscionable, and probably nobody under 50 should take it. I said I took it because I am old enough that it was worth the risk at the time, and I knew it was a risk, and somebody had to volunteer.
I think that you are misremember things. But sure, find a link.
I have made thousands of comments here since 2016 supporting Trump. That I feel betrayed by him on this, seriously betrayed, like he is a bald-faced liar, betrayed, is beyond doubt, that the MAGA coalition is dead, is also beyond doubt. IRL I have put up with so much shit for supporting Trump, but I always said "He never started any wars," and it didn't get to me. Now I am red-faced.
Foreign policy is not my bailiwick. But observing the news is, and I was quite surprised all night by how much agreement there was across political journalists, from Fox to CNN, and their foreign equivalents, approving of this move, and now. Supports the idea that there must have been some there there, especially as Trump has risked angering his anti-foreign engagement base.
It should be noted that the Iranian FP Minister emphasized that he was immediately meeting with their ally, Putin. Puts leftists in a bit of a bind.
"anti-foreign engagement base."
You misspelled "anti-endless war."
Jesus, I'm done with this subject. I need a break from this obviously, and I am sure that you guys would like to congratulate yourselves on how Trump fooled enough of us to get elected in peace.
Wow. I wake up this morning to find our Lefty friends worried about Jewish lives.
Meade said...
“I think that this is the first thing that Nurse Ratchet has ever said that I agree with.“
Wishful thinking. You and she agreed on forcing people to mask, keeping schools closed, and universal mandatory jabs.
To be fair, so did you.
There is a weapon nicknamed "The Rod From God". Supposedly a guided titanium rod about the size of a large telephone pole. It is dropped from orbit and hits at mach 5 or 10. No explosive but kinetic energy equal to a small nuke. It vaporizes on impact leaving no trace.
Tungsten. It's much heavier.
A friend who worked at the Pentagon denied it exists.
This was an answer to 45 years of terror attacks by Iran on Americans. Full stop. US policy has been "no nukes for Iran" over the same period. But like other official US policies to which several presidents paid lip service while doing nothing Trump is the first to give the policy actual power and carry it out. We didn't do it for or at the request of Israel. Trump had the same stated policy in his first term when Israel was not at war.
Israel has played a role obviously by taking out air defense and other Iranian defense assets and that made our efforts last night easier but we took the action to protect American lives first and foremost. It is not war. It isn't even a 30-day bombing campaign like leftist hero Obama directed at Libya in violation of the WPA. These were a targeted specific response after which Iran has a chance to de-escalate or FAFO some more.
ABC News is reporting that the U.S. and Israel practiced for attacks on Iran nuclear sites during the Biden administration.
I wonder what would have happened if Joe knew about it.
Inag - really - take your blame BS and shove it.
Jaq, the Jewish calendar is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5700 years now but you persist with the "invented in 1948" bullshit, which is a myth that dates all the way back to Arafat in 1972. Given the actual historical evidence it's obvious that ignorance is not bliss at all. People like you are full of hatred for people you literally know nothing about and you sound just like AOC and Jazzy Crocket.
Eva Marie - 1:48 & 2:02
Spot on.
Progressives have gone from "now we are in WWIII" to "Biden gave money in exchange for hostages". 12 hours has not passed.
Inag - did you have this much to say after Oct 7th?
Your concern is fake.
Jersey Fled said..
"I wake up this morning to find our Lefty friends worried about Jewish lives. "
It's brand new, too. Never heard it before.
I think I can hear the sounds of several Democrat’s presidential hopes going down the drain with their responses to last night’s attack on Iran.
Ah, what a sweet sound.
She is the best concern troll and really only shows up on big occasions. So Ing's agitation here tells me this is, in the words of her new hero Dick Cheney, "a big fucking deal." I'm just gonna chill out now and listen to Hank Johnson's new single that dropped overnight.
We are farther away from WW3 today than at any time in the last couple years. Not one ally stepped up for Iran except the nearly-depleted Tutsis. Peace is breaking out.
"...We are farther away from WW3 today than at any time in the last couple years...."
Since the attack I have been wondering what the impact of this will be on the Atomic 'Doomsday Clock' that is kept by the 'Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists'. The last I checked, it stands at 89 seconds to midnight, the closest it's ever been. So - which way will it move? A difficult one, eh? Or, at least, difficult to find a defense for, if it moves closer. It will be interesting to see how it changes, and to see what logic is marshaled to support the change.
“ Since the attack I have been wondering what the impact of this will be on the Atomic 'Doomsday Clock' that is kept by the 'Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists'. The last I checked, it stands at 89 seconds to midnight, the closest it's ever been.”
I guess this will be my last post then.
@Readering 23:50: "... More proof Trump a nut job. Briefed Republican Congressional leadership in advance but not Dems. Leave out Schumer?..."
Democrat behavior outside of the law, and also using the law, and also hiding within the law, has removed any support for exhibitions of fake moral posturing or phony outrage coming into play. This is simply a case of sowing what you have reaped. If Trump had notified Schumer in advance of the mission, it would have been blaring out on the NYT website approximately one nanosecond later, and we all know it.
“ Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities.”
Senator John Fetterman.
Quick, Democrats, put those keffiyehs on. Show some solidarity!
effinayright @ 12:06am,
Your sarcasm detector is seriously broken. I would estimate that it is beyond repair, and you should order a brand new one.
Aggie - exactly.
Democrats are the back-stabbing - assassin-paying - Fed mask wearing - chi Com Virus/ cheat-to-win forced jab, Antifa pimping - Sewer party. Talking to the Sewer? big no no.
“Not one ally stepped up for Iran except the nearly-depleted Tutsis.”
"Tu Tu Tutsi goodbye
Tu Tu Tutsi, don't cry
Fritz, yes tungsten, thanks. I think it may violate some treaty about weapons in space which is why it is denied.
Or, another possibility, it really doesn't exist.
John Henry
"We have just torn up the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty."
No we haven't. If anything it encourages signatories to comply. Now is there anything else you want to get hysterical over?
Aggie: "I have been wondering what the impact of this will be on the Atomic 'Doomsday Clock' that is kept by the 'Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists'. The last I checked, it stands at 89 seconds to midnight, the closest it's ever been."
Paging Bruce Dickinson:
https://youtu.be/zvEvG3M3Hpc?si=-z8B4K8NrbefDEd1
RR,
JSM
jaq,
"I said early on that there was some evidence that masks worked, and there was [emphasis added]"
There was not any real evidence. Yes, a poorly designed self-reported observational study did make the news, but its flaws were obvious and it certainly did not fool the Cochrane reviewers.
Rusty @7:49am provides the correct answer.
Iran, along with the countries and Presidents assisting Iran, hasn't been incompliance with the NPT since 2003 and was officially recognized as noncompliant by the US in 2007. For 18 years, the best the US did to demand compliance was send pallets of cash; and then Trump, backed by the majority of Americans, said "enough". Now Iran is incompliance with the NPT.
Tutsis Houthis let’s call the whole thing off!
the focus on masks is silly. The forced JAB is/was the crime against us.
Prof. M. Drout said...
"What's with the whole 'killing brown people' nonsense? Do you not know that the word 'Aryan' was originally used to describe the people who lived in Iran? The very NAME of the country comes from 'Aryānām,' which in Old Iranian means 'land of the Aryans.' The Iranians are as Indo-European as anyone ever."
Thank you. Technically, they are a genetic mix of Indo-Europeans and the closely related Neolithic farmers, with a few other genetic inputs. But that high level description also applies to "the original people of Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa". Which has been the US definition of "White" since the census definitions were standardized across the country (instead of more local levels) in the early 1920s. Which in turn was based on older categories from centuries earlier.
I never heard of Arabs or other people of Middle Eastern origin being called "brown" until after Bush Jr went into Iraq and some on the Left started calling them "Brown People" to try to make the war into a racial issue.
buwaya said...
"Good job. Long overdue. Iranians, on the whole, are not 'brown'. Lots of them can pass for southern Europeans. Shave them and they wont get a second look in Malaga. And the women can be very beautiful, and WILL get a second look."
Yup. The Iranian peoples seem to have a disproportionate amount of women who are stunningly beautiful.
Wretchard the Cat (Richard Fernandez) had this to say on X: {quoting…}
With the US strike on Fordow every narrative has to be reframed. Trump as Putin's stooge, European presumptions, China's expectations. All in the dumpster. What world are we in? Nobody knows.
It turns out that 7 B-2 stealth bombers dropped a total of 14 GBU-57 30,000 lb. bombs in Operation Midnight Hammer. No shots were fired at the “Strike Package” either going or coming.
@Readering 23:50: "... More proof Trump a nut job. Briefed Republican Congressional leadership in advance but not Dems. Leave out Schumer?..."
Good for Trump. There's no way in hell the democrats can be trusted with this.
My comment:
Bang! Bang!
Donald’s Midnight Hammer
Came down on their heads!
Bang! Bang!
Donald’s Midnight Hammer
Made sure they were dead… 🎶
The military did its breaking things job. Now let’s stay the hell away from national-building.
Althouse, please free up my last 2 postings from Blogger limbo. Thanks.
The Gap Band - You Dropped A Bomb On Me
Inga expresses concern for Israelis regarding Iran's response with missile attacks, but none for the alternative scenario of Iran developing nukes. Sometimes adults have to make hard choices. Let Iran develop nukes, and all that implies not just for Israel but for the entire world, or eliminate that risk and suffer some casualties in the short run? Inga seems to imagine some alternative that avoids both, but she (and others here) are dreaming. Iran had its chance with diplomacy and rejected it.
"Liz Cheney is grinning in giant wet spot this morning!"
More likely Liz is faking NOT having an orgasm.
The "Rod from God" thing doesn't exist (except in Neal Stephenson's Anathem) because our ability to launch something heavy enough to do massive damage without burning up on re-entry is just too high. You'd have to break the rod into something like 15 segments, lift them individually, then rendezvous in orbit and weld them together in such a way that they wouldn't separate.
All well beyond anyone's capabilities.
"Rods from God" will only work when we're regularly capturing asteroids and towing them into near-earth orbit, and even then you'd have to somehow manufacture the rod out of a metallic asteroid.
There are so many easier ways to blow things up.
My original tepid opposition to our attacking Iran was based on my fears that our military would suffer casualties in the operation and/or that we'd do the Bush thing of making the general population suffer in wishful thinking that they'd rise up and overthrow their government (kind of the Bushie version of the loathsome and idiotic Marxist "immiseration thesis," especially because the immiseration invariably happens but the pie-in-the-sky good result never comes).
This strike completely avoided the former (as an aside: Hey, Russia—it looks like your S-400 is an piece of crap. You should stick to something you're good at, like making guns out of tractor parts).
And, Trump seems to have no desire to attack the Iranian people, invade, or occupy their land.
So far, so good.
“Yup. The Iranian peoples seem to have a disproportionate amount of women who are stunningly beautiful.“
My thesis on Scandinavian women. The Vikings went all over Europe steaming women to send back home as slaves, and they were not going to waste freight on the ugly ones. The Middle East did the same with the Circassian women, who were imported to feed the harem trade.
When we wake up will we find out that Iran still has the bomb, or that Iran wasn't close to getting the bomb? It's possible that the authorities are telling us the truth, but it's not the only possibility.
“Althouse, please free up my last 2 postings from Blogger limbo. Thanks.”
I’m not seeing anything in the spam file. Maybe you accidentally posted on a different post or maybe you didn’t hit publish. Feel free to try again
Readering said...
More proof Trump a nut job. Briefed Republican Congressional leadership in advance but not Dems. Leave out Schumer?
More proof Readering is a nut job. Hell yes he left out Schumer and every other Democrat, because none of them would have kept their mouths shut
Post a Comment
Please use the comments forum to respond to the post. Don't fight with each other. Be substantive... or interesting... or funny. Comments should go up immediately... unless you're commenting on a post older than 2 days. Then you have to wait for us to moderate you through. It's also possible to get shunted into spam by the machine. We try to keep an eye on that and release the miscaught good stuff. We do delete some comments, but not for viewpoint... for bad faith.